Re: browsers have become memory hogs
try to disable the flash plugin,then suggest use 'adblock plus' . 在 2008-04-10四的 22:07 -0400，Douglas A. Tutty写道： On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 02:45:32PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 04/10/08 14:35, tom arnall wrote: all of a sudden browsers have become memory hogs on my system (95%). i've I don't see how a single process could use 95% of memory on a 32-bit system. Easy on my P-II, which is 32-bit (with only 64 MB memory. The real question, is how much memory is it using, not the percentage. If all of real memory is used and the box hits swap hard, its called Thrashing. signature.asc Description: 这是信件的数字签 名部分
Re: browsers have become memory hogs
Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/11/08 10:21, Jean-Louis Crouzet wrote: [snip] Flash plugin (whatever the version) is always the root cause of my Which version? (I run Sid.) Iceweasel lock_up (due to swapping or other...) the number do not really matter but site such as MySpace [Music] cause this condition almost each Well that's your problem right there :O time I connect there. This is really painful. I put all the possible addons/blocker/Flash versions but no success. I tied FF, same. I tried another computer Pentium M, 1GB Memory and same happened... Well I'm a bit tired now, so I just kill my Iceweasel each it locks and restart. I think I will have a try of the suggested ulimit -Sv 20 because it just looks interesting and well spotted. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA We want... a Shrubbery!! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFH/733S9HxQb37XmcRApdkAJ9ryD4iJgQRu2NJSd6InBANjvA/QQCdEOvW LpJnsCfADCX6JLqMlhETJJQ= =Azdl -END PGP SIGNATURE- I'm running lenny 2.6.24-5 (customized). The above FF behavior is similar even if I just use xinit and run FF from xterm. Well I think I'd rather not under your MySpace Music comment. Thanks and have a nice day. JL -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/11/08 19:54, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: [snip] You would write a script that would pole the relavant data. Probably That's just *disgusting*. Or I'm a dirty old man. Let me pole that for a sec... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 07:04:23PM -0700, Marc Shapiro wrote: Douglas A. Tutty wrote: On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 07:10:04AM -0700, Marc Shapiro wrote: Yes, the system does thrash, not a complete lockup. But, if you try to move the cursor and few times with no results it certainly seems like a lockup. I can usually get the system to switch to a VT where I can run top and kill the offending process, but it can take several minutes before it will do even that. It doesn't happen often, but with X running on three separate terminals (my wife, daughter and I each have our own setup running on this machine) and firefox running in each of them it does happen every now and then. My wife currently has 18 tabs open in firefox. My daughter only has one, but it has some kids game/education site up, all of which use flash. I usually have three or four tabs open, although I only have one at the moment. I have never actually used nice, before. I guess I had better do some research. Before, I scoffed at 512 MB being considered low-ram, but you're having one box be three workstations at the same time. I suggest that you triple the ram in this case. One difference between FF and Konqueror is that FF keeps the rendered pages in its own memory map while Konqueror keeps the rendered pages in the xorg memory map. On one of my setups it matters: when you ssh in from a light-weight box to the power box, konqueror with many tabs thrashes the light-weight box while FF uses the ample memory on the power box. I wonder if in this case, you may get better performance with konq if there is only one xorg process. I don't know since I have never run three x sessions at once. Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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i find that opera does ok if i start with a clean slate each time, i.e., no tabs from former session. tom arnall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/12/08 09:02, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On 04/11/08 19:54, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: [snip] You would write a script that would pole the relavant data. Probably That's just *disgusting*. Or I'm a dirty old man. Let me pole that for a sec... You burned out my mind's eye on purpose, didn't you??? - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA We want... a Shrubbery!! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIARcNS9HxQb37XmcRAgvPAKC24GAyt+CjTLhPt3dSNmKmqLIuyQCeMWNQ /LJgmhn2zBNyZc/tVn/TFOs= =CtlD -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 12:23:05PM -0700, tom arnall wrote: i find that opera does ok if i start with a clean slate each time, i.e., no tabs from former session. I don't do sessions at all anyway (whatever they are), i.e. I always have a clean slate. Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 04/10/2008 10:24 PM, paragasu wrote: same thing happen to me. i am using debian sid. before i do dist-upgrade a week ago. i have the same problem. FF use 97% of the CPU after i open few tabs (my laptop using 256MB + Via C3 1G CPU).. especially when i watch youtube. i have to kill the process manually from the terminal because FF stop responding and the computer s slow. after upgrade FF use 15% of CPU. i don't think the problem solved yet. but i will know .. :P You can restrict FF to use a limited amount of memory. Although it would blow FF out of the water, you could do a ulimit -Sv 20 before starting firefox. Do this in a script. If FF requires more than 200MB of virtual memory, the O/S will abort it spontaneously. Okay, I admit that that is a brute force way of dealing with the problem, but you'd have to abort FF anyway once it has locked up due to swapping. I might¹ do it this way: #!/bin/sh ulimit -Sv 20 firefox In a bash terminal window, type help ulimit to see what ulimit does. Good luck. ¹ No, in reality, I would just disable flash and not watch youtube. Indeed, I'm not watching right now :-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What's npviewer? A proxy daemon that will load and run 32 bits flashplugin on behalf of your 64 bits browser. Wihtout it you cannot have flash on amd64 arch. HTH -- Dominique Dumont Delivering successful solutions requires giving people what they need, not what they want. Kurt Bittner -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/10/08 17:07, tom arnall wrote: [snip] and what does CPU% look like? I know you asked this of Andy, but really the answer depends on the web site. Dynamic sites that love Flash and thousands of animated GIFs will use more CPU than calmer sites. Good point. What's a Shrubbery. Hugo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/11/08 08:31, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On 04/10/08 17:07, tom arnall wrote: [snip] and what does CPU% look like? I know you asked this of Andy, but really the answer depends on the web site. Dynamic sites that love Flash and thousands of animated GIFs will use more CPU than calmer sites. Good point. What's a Shrubbery. http://www.mwscomp.com/movies/grail/grail-13.htm - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA We want... a Shrubbery!! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFH/25sS9HxQb37XmcRAjJIAJ97bpgi/FcqI3F+oxIGbe7ocxUjuwCffcKt r985wL8L8jYt59Ca/7Jwd1c= =reJ2 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Mumia W.. wrote: You can restrict FF to use a limited amount of memory. Although it would blow FF out of the water, you could do a ulimit -Sv 20 before starting firefox. Do this in a script. If FF requires more than 200MB of virtual memory, the O/S will abort it spontaneously. Okay, I admit that that is a brute force way of dealing with the problem, but you'd have to abort FF anyway once it has locked up due to swapping. I might¹ do it this way: #!/bin/sh ulimit -Sv 20 firefox Is there any way, instead of restricting a resource, to have a command executed when a setpoint for a given resource is reached? Say, when FF uses 200M of virtual memory, or over 30% of CPU, a job runs which pops up a warning message. That way you know that a problem exists and can handle it BEFORE it gets to the point where the system is locking up. -- Marc Shapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Friday 11 April 2008 16:10:04 Marc Shapiro wrote: Mumia W.. wrote: Is there any way, instead of restricting a resource, to have a command executed when a setpoint for a given resource is reached? Say, when FF uses 200M of virtual memory, or over 30% of CPU, a job runs which pops up a warning message. That way you know that a problem exists and can handle it BEFORE it gets to the point where the system is locking up. -- Marc Shapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Must be. In KDE there is a applet called Run away process catcher. It can be configured to stop a process eating x% of cpu usage. Must be something else, like a command line to do the job, with more parameters to adjust to what you want. Now, this is going to use some CPU time , too!! Thierry -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/10/08 17:06, tom arnall wrote: On Thursday 10 April 2008 14:14, andy wrote: Thierry Chatelet wrote: On Thursday 10 April 2008 21:45:32 Ron Johnson wrote: On 04/10/08 14:35, tom arnall wrote: all of a sudden browsers have become memory hogs on my system (95%). i've I don't see how a single process could use 95% of memory on a 32-bit system. tried iceweasel, opera, galeon. all with the same result. i'm running debian etch. Have you performed any updates lately? Installed non-debianized software? How long does it take for the browsers to suck up all that un-specified amount of memory? How many tabs and windows do you have open? We want... a Shrubbery!! I got the same problem-sid- and it is npviewer which is eating something up to 17% CPU per tab. I think I am going to the thing... Thierry I have been running Iceweasel in the background for the last 3 days. I am running approx 3% swap (on 1 GB allocated) and according to top Firefox-bin uses ~10.6% mem. This is just running FF in the background (minimised) A what are you doing that we're not? those figures look great to me. Maybe it's because I am a Republican, and therefore God likes me. But I doubt it... What version of Iceweasel are you running? Have you installed Adblock Plus and Flashblock? - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA We want... a Shrubbery!! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFH/phsS9HxQb37XmcRAiGiAJ4wFrrBnYfO9DCP3Q6vb0isCanTNQCfZoqK Fdp/HMqUa9ox5O51SAWRJ4A= =BW2w -END PGP SIGNATURE- Thanks for this thread I thought I was alone with my Iceweasel issues... Basically I'm running Lenny with optimized kernel but still low memory configuration (512MB) on a Dell Pentium III. Flash plugin (whatever the version) is always the root cause of my Iceweasel lock_up (due to swapping or other...) the number do not really matter but site such as MySpace [Music] cause this condition almost each time I connect there. This is really painful. I put all the possible addons/blocker/Flash versions but no success. I tied FF, same. I tried another computer Pentium M, 1GB Memory and same happened... Well I'm a bit tired now, so I just kill my Iceweasel each it locks and restart. I think I will have a try of the suggested ulimit -Sv 20 because it just looks interesting and well spotted. Regards, JL -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Jean-Louis Crouzet wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/10/08 17:06, tom arnall wrote: On Thursday 10 April 2008 14:14, andy wrote: Thierry Chatelet wrote: On Thursday 10 April 2008 21:45:32 Ron Johnson wrote: On 04/10/08 14:35, tom arnall wrote: all of a sudden browsers have become memory hogs on my system (95%). i've I don't see how a single process could use 95% of memory on a 32-bit system. tried iceweasel, opera, galeon. all with the same result. i'm running debian etch. Have you performed any updates lately? Installed non-debianized software? How long does it take for the browsers to suck up all that un-specified amount of memory? How many tabs and windows do you have open? We want... a Shrubbery!! I got the same problem-sid- and it is npviewer which is eating something up to 17% CPU per tab. I think I am going to the thing... Thierry I have been running Iceweasel in the background for the last 3 days. I am running approx 3% swap (on 1 GB allocated) and according to top Firefox-bin uses ~10.6% mem. This is just running FF in the background (minimised) A what are you doing that we're not? those figures look great to me. Maybe it's because I am a Republican, and therefore God likes me. But I doubt it... What version of Iceweasel are you running? Have you installed Adblock Plus and Flashblock? - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA We want... a Shrubbery!! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFH/phsS9HxQb37XmcRAiGiAJ4wFrrBnYfO9DCP3Q6vb0isCanTNQCfZoqK Fdp/HMqUa9ox5O51SAWRJ4A= =BW2w -END PGP SIGNATURE- Thanks for this thread I thought I was alone with my Iceweasel issues... Basically I'm running Lenny with optimized kernel but still low memory configuration (512MB) on a Dell Pentium III. Flash plugin (whatever the version) is always the root cause of my Iceweasel lock_up (due to swapping or other...) the number do not really matter but site such as MySpace [Music] cause this condition almost each time I connect there. This is really painful. I put all the possible addons/blocker/Flash versions but no success. I tied FF, same. I tried another computer Pentium M, 1GB Memory and same happened... Well I'm a bit tired now, so I just kill my Iceweasel each it locks and restart. I think I will have a try of the suggested ulimit -Sv 20 because it just looks interesting and well spotted. Regards, JL I forgot to mention I'm using Xfce 4 Desktop Environment version 4.4.2 (Xfce 4.4). I'm really not willing to install Konqueror because I try to get light system. Thanks, JL -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 04/11/2008 09:10 AM, Marc Shapiro wrote: Is there any way, instead of restricting a resource, to have a command executed when a setpoint for a given resource is reached? Say, when FF uses 200M of virtual memory, or over 30% of CPU, a job runs which pops up a warning message. That way you know that a problem exists and can handle it BEFORE it gets to the point where the system is locking up. That sounds like the sort of thing a debugger does, so I suggest trying out gdb. The last time I looked at the gdb info page, I got a headache, but you might install 'gdb-doc' and do an info gdb -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/11/08 10:21, Jean-Louis Crouzet wrote: [snip] Flash plugin (whatever the version) is always the root cause of my Which version? (I run Sid.) Iceweasel lock_up (due to swapping or other...) the number do not really matter but site such as MySpace [Music] cause this condition almost each Well that's your problem right there :O time I connect there. This is really painful. I put all the possible addons/blocker/Flash versions but no success. I tied FF, same. I tried another computer Pentium M, 1GB Memory and same happened... Well I'm a bit tired now, so I just kill my Iceweasel each it locks and restart. I think I will have a try of the suggested ulimit -Sv 20 because it just looks interesting and well spotted. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA We want... a Shrubbery!! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFH/733S9HxQb37XmcRApdkAJ9ryD4iJgQRu2NJSd6InBANjvA/QQCdEOvW LpJnsCfADCX6JLqMlhETJJQ= =Azdl -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 06:21:42PM +0200, Jean-Louis Crouzet wrote: Thanks for this thread I thought I was alone with my Iceweasel issues... Basically I'm running Lenny with optimized kernel but still low memory configuration (512MB) on a Dell Pentium III. 512MB considered low-memory. Sheesh. Flash plugin (whatever the version) is always the root cause of my Iceweasel lock_up (due to swapping or other...) the number do not really matter but site such as MySpace [Music] cause this condition almost each time I connect there. This is really painful. I put all the possible addons/blocker/Flash versions but no success. I tied FF, same. I tried another computer Pentium M, 1GB Memory and same happened... Well I'm a bit tired now, so I just kill my Iceweasel each it locks and restart. I think I will have a try of the suggested ulimit -Sv 20 because it just looks interesting and well spotted. I forgot to mention I'm using Xfce 4 Desktop Environment version 4.4.2 (Xfce 4.4). I'm really not willing to install Konqueror because I try to get light system. Since Xfce now uses GTK2, it is no longer light. In fact, I find Konqueror a far lighter-weight browser than FF. Remember that Xfce is a desktop environment. If you only need a window-manager, try icewm or openbox. Also, Etch's Xfce (the gtk2) had a memory leak on my system which is why I changed back to icewm. Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 07:10:04AM -0700, Marc Shapiro wrote: Is there any way, instead of restricting a resource, to have a command executed when a setpoint for a given resource is reached? Say, when FF uses 200M of virtual memory, or over 30% of CPU, a job runs which pops up a warning message. That way you know that a problem exists and can handle it BEFORE it gets to the point where the system is locking up. Of course there's a way, I just don't know it off the top of my head. You would write a script that would pole the relavant data. Probably the easiest source for data would be to parse the output of vmstat which gives you cpu and vm data. Then there's getting the output. If you want the script to be a user-focused app, I'd suggest whatever that package is that gives you a graphical version of dialog with pop-up boxes. Otherwise, I guess its using your scripting language of choice (e.g. python) with the widget-module to match your DTE preference (e.g. wxwindows uses gtk, tk, qt, etc). I wouldn't worry so much about %CPU since you can just run FF nice. Also, remember that the system should not lock up. The worst case should be heavy swapping (Thrashing) which means that the system will eventually respond. However, if the offending process is running niced, at least login and bash will have a higher priority. You may want the script, when it pops up the message, to issue a kill -STOP and present a button choice (Acknowlege [leave stopped], Continue [allow FF to continue running with a kill -CONT], or Kill [Kill -KILL]). I hope this helps get you on the right track. Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Douglas A. Tutty wrote: On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 07:10:04AM -0700, Marc Shapiro wrote: Is there any way, instead of restricting a resource, to have a command executed when a setpoint for a given resource is reached? Say, when FF uses 200M of virtual memory, or over 30% of CPU, a job runs which pops up a warning message. That way you know that a problem exists and can handle it BEFORE it gets to the point where the system is locking up. I wouldn't worry so much about %CPU since you can just run FF nice. Also, remember that the system should not lock up. The worst case should be heavy swapping (Thrashing) which means that the system will eventually respond. However, if the offending process is running niced, at least login and bash will have a higher priority. Yes, the system does thrash, not a complete lockup. But, if you try to move the cursor and few times with no results it certainly seems like a lockup. I can usually get the system to switch to a VT where I can run top and kill the offending process, but it can take several minutes before it will do even that. It doesn't happen often, but with X running on three separate terminals (my wife, daughter and I each have our own setup running on this machine) and firefox running in each of them it does happen every now and then. My wife currently has 18 tabs open in firefox. My daughter only has one, but it has some kids game/education site up, all of which use flash. I usually have three or four tabs open, although I only have one at the moment. I have never actually used nice, before. I guess I had better do some research. -- Marc Shapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/11/08 19:54, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: [snip] You would write a script that would pole the relavant data. Probably That's just *disgusting*. Or I'm a dirty old man. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA We want... a Shrubbery!! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIAB6bS9HxQb37XmcRApWQAJ9ch9OXFIKiVOURep4hZLqTreFqvACgpIXv h+/fpI3rOvvH5txsN9Y/3Z8= =YkN7 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Douglas A. Tutty wrote: On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 01:25:53PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: After a fresh login I'll have about 40-50Mb used, 0 swap. After a few hours of FF2.x I'd be maxed on memory and pushing 2/3rds of my 256Mb of swap. Close FF and most of the memory and swap go away. FF3 doesn't get that high but it still pushes my machine into swap without much trouble. What really gets me is after 2-3 days logged in I'll exit TBird, FF3 and Pidgin and be right back where I was when I logged in. Just XFCE4 loaded. 70-80Mb used, another 30-50Mb in the swap. I log out of XFCE4, log back in, 40-50Mb used, 0 swap. :/ Yes, it seems that, at least on Etch, there's a memory leak in the GTK2 widget library common to both FF and XFCE (and others). The leak does not happen with Konqueror. Have you tried Konqueror; you don't need all of KDE. Has anyone mentioned FF 3? It is very much leaner and meaner that FF 2; if you can use it, it is a nice alternative. Doesn't leak memory like a sieve. Of course, not every Debian user can use FF 3. Installing Beta 5 is not for the faint-of-heart, though. (I will be glad when it is finally released, and the Debian team has packaged up an Iceweasel version of it, or whatever the name will be.) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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all of a sudden browsers have become memory hogs on my system (95%). i've tried iceweasel, opera, galeon. all with the same result. i'm running debian etch. thanks, tom arnall arcata -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/10/08 14:35, tom arnall wrote: all of a sudden browsers have become memory hogs on my system (95%). i've I don't see how a single process could use 95% of memory on a 32-bit system. tried iceweasel, opera, galeon. all with the same result. i'm running debian etch. Have you performed any updates lately? Installed non-debianized software? How long does it take for the browsers to suck up all that un-specified amount of memory? How many tabs and windows do you have open? - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA We want... a Shrubbery!! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFH/m5cS9HxQb37XmcRAvz2AKCBkFTxm9xhxF3QeFVPlc1w1h9h6QCghd1U z5doMVw845L0b6owFatCHXQ= =KhO5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thursday 10 April 2008 12:45, Ron Johnson wrote: On 04/10/08 14:35, tom arnall wrote: all of a sudden browsers have become memory hogs on my system (95%). i've I don't see how a single process could use 95% of memory on a 32-bit system. tried iceweasel, opera, galeon. all with the same result. i'm running debian etch. Have you performed any updates lately? Installed non-debianized software? How long does it take for the browsers to suck up all that un-specified amount of memory? How many tabs and windows do you have open? -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA We want... a Shrubbery!! ooops! thanks for the comment. it's %CPU: Tasks: 91 total, 3 running, 88 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie Cpu(s): 96.3%us, 3.0%sy, 0.0%ni, 0.0%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.7%si, 0.0%sMem:499536k total, 433168k used,66368k free, 8848k buffers Swap: 1253028k total, 276k used, 1252752k free, 178316k cached PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEMTIME+ COMMAND 6889 kloro 25 0 114m 62m 15m R 95.2 12.8 0:17.70 opera 3010 root 15 0 215m 16m 4264 S 4.6 3.3 2:25.32 Xorg 1 root 15 0 1948 648 552 S 0.0 0.1 0:01.00 init 2 root RT 0 000 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 migration/0 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, April 10, 2008 12:45 pm, Ron Johnson wrote: I don't see how a single process could use 95% of memory on a 32-bit system. I can. FF2.x was just painful on my laptop. It only has 256Mb and what i used to be able to do just a few years ago (Firefox, Thunderbird and gaim ne pidgin all open until the machine rebooted) I can barely manage for an hour or two now. FF3 has helped but I'm finding that it and XFCE4 are the primary hogs of memory. After a fresh login I'll have about 40-50Mb used, 0 swap. After a few hours of FF2.x I'd be maxed on memory and pushing 2/3rds of my 256Mb of swap. Close FF and most of the memory and swap go away. FF3 doesn't get that high but it still pushes my machine into swap without much trouble. What really gets me is after 2-3 days logged in I'll exit TBird, FF3 and Pidgin and be right back where I was when I logged in. Just XFCE4 loaded. 70-80Mb used, another 30-50Mb in the swap. I log out of XFCE4, log back in, 40-50Mb used, 0 swap. :/ -- Steve Lamb -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thursday 10 April 2008 21:45:32 Ron Johnson wrote: On 04/10/08 14:35, tom arnall wrote: all of a sudden browsers have become memory hogs on my system (95%). i've I don't see how a single process could use 95% of memory on a 32-bit system. tried iceweasel, opera, galeon. all with the same result. i'm running debian etch. Have you performed any updates lately? Installed non-debianized software? How long does it take for the browsers to suck up all that un-specified amount of memory? How many tabs and windows do you have open? -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA We want... a Shrubbery!! I got the same problem-sid- and it is npviewer which is eating something up to 17% CPU per tab. I think I am going to the thing... Thierry -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thursday 10 April 2008 13:25, Steve Lamb wrote: On Thu, April 10, 2008 12:45 pm, Ron Johnson wrote: I don't see how a single process could use 95% of memory on a 32-bit system. I can. FF2.x was just painful on my laptop. It only has 256Mb and what i used to be able to do just a few years ago (Firefox, Thunderbird and gaim ne pidgin all open until the machine rebooted) I can barely manage for an hour or two now. FF3 has helped but I'm finding that it and XFCE4 are the primary hogs of memory. After a fresh login I'll have about 40-50Mb used, 0 swap. After a few hours of FF2.x I'd be maxed on memory and pushing 2/3rds of my 256Mb of swap. Close FF and most of the memory and swap go away. FF3 doesn't get that high but it still pushes my machine into swap without much trouble. What really gets me is after 2-3 days logged in I'll exit TBird, FF3 and Pidgin and be right back where I was when I logged in. Just XFCE4 loaded. 70-80Mb used, another 30-50Mb in the swap. I log out of XFCE4, log back in, 40-50Mb used, 0 swap. :/ -- Steve Lamb very much my experience with FF. that's why i went to opera, which was fine for a few weeks, until y'day when it jumped through the ceiling, tho' my problem seems cpu hogging, not memory. tom arnall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Thierry Chatelet wrote: On Thursday 10 April 2008 21:45:32 Ron Johnson wrote: On 04/10/08 14:35, tom arnall wrote: all of a sudden browsers have become memory hogs on my system (95%). i've I don't see how a single process could use 95% of memory on a 32-bit system. tried iceweasel, opera, galeon. all with the same result. i'm running debian etch. Have you performed any updates lately? Installed non-debianized software? How long does it take for the browsers to suck up all that un-specified amount of memory? How many tabs and windows do you have open? -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA We want... a Shrubbery!! I got the same problem-sid- and it is npviewer which is eating something up to 17% CPU per tab. I think I am going to the thing... Thierry I have been running Iceweasel in the background for the last 3 days. I am running approx 3% swap (on 1 GB allocated) and according to top Firefox-bin uses ~10.6% mem. This is just running FF in the background (minimised) A -- If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about the answers. - Thomas Pynchon, Gravity's Rainbow
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/10/08 16:14, andy wrote: Thierry Chatelet wrote: On Thursday 10 April 2008 21:45:32 Ron Johnson wrote: On 04/10/08 14:35, tom arnall wrote: all of a sudden browsers have become memory hogs on my system (95%). i've I don't see how a single process could use 95% of memory on a 32-bit system. tried iceweasel, opera, galeon. all with the same result. i'm running debian etch. Have you performed any updates lately? Installed non-debianized software? How long does it take for the browsers to suck up all that un-specified amount of memory? How many tabs and windows do you have open? I got the same problem-sid- and it is npviewer which is eating something up to What's npviewer? 17% CPU per tab. I think I am going to the thing... Thierry I have been running Iceweasel in the background for the last 3 days. I am running approx 3% swap (on 1 GB allocated) and according to top Firefox-bin uses ~10.6% mem. This is just running FF in the background (minimised) Same here. After 4 or 5 days, with a large mix of static and dynamic pages, iceweasel is at 14.6% of 2GB. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA We want... a Shrubbery!! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFH/oh/S9HxQb37XmcRAqzsAJ94lDHFdcBZDs09du/5bnncBjbwDACeLjzB 22vvgFv1wqN+jL4qCy0Gsmo= =W73l -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thursday 10 April 2008 14:14, andy wrote: Thierry Chatelet wrote: On Thursday 10 April 2008 21:45:32 Ron Johnson wrote: On 04/10/08 14:35, tom arnall wrote: all of a sudden browsers have become memory hogs on my system (95%). i've I don't see how a single process could use 95% of memory on a 32-bit system. tried iceweasel, opera, galeon. all with the same result. i'm running debian etch. Have you performed any updates lately? Installed non-debianized software? How long does it take for the browsers to suck up all that un-specified amount of memory? How many tabs and windows do you have open? -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA We want... a Shrubbery!! I got the same problem-sid- and it is npviewer which is eating something up to 17% CPU per tab. I think I am going to the thing... Thierry I have been running Iceweasel in the background for the last 3 days. I am running approx 3% swap (on 1 GB allocated) and according to top Firefox-bin uses ~10.6% mem. This is just running FF in the background (minimised) A what are you doing that we're not? those figures look great to me. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thursday 10 April 2008 14:14, andy wrote: Thierry Chatelet wrote: On Thursday 10 April 2008 21:45:32 Ron Johnson wrote: On 04/10/08 14:35, tom arnall wrote: all of a sudden browsers have become memory hogs on my system (95%). i've I don't see how a single process could use 95% of memory on a 32-bit system. tried iceweasel, opera, galeon. all with the same result. i'm running debian etch. Have you performed any updates lately? Installed non-debianized software? How long does it take for the browsers to suck up all that un-specified amount of memory? How many tabs and windows do you have open? -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA We want... a Shrubbery!! I got the same problem-sid- and it is npviewer which is eating something up to 17% CPU per tab. I think I am going to the thing... Thierry I have been running Iceweasel in the background for the last 3 days. I am running approx 3% swap (on 1 GB allocated) and according to top Firefox-bin uses ~10.6% mem. This is just running FF in the background (minimised) A and what does CPU% look like? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thursday 10 April 2008 23:37:03 Ron Johnson wrote: On 04/10/08 16:14, andy wrote: Thierry Chatelet wrote: On Thursday 10 April 2008 21:45:32 Ron Johnson wrote: On 04/10/08 14:35, tom arnall wrote: all of a sudden browsers have become memory hogs on my system (95%). i've I don't see how a single process could use 95% of memory on a 32-bit What's npviewer? -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA We want... a Shrubbery!! Something that came with flashplayer-mozilla, I believe. In any case, if I remove flashplayer, that npviewer.bin does not come up if I am with iceweasel on pages that have some macromedia staff in them. Here a past of top: Tasks: 124 total, 1 running, 123 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie Cpu(s): 16.4%us, 1.1%sy, 0.0%ni, 82.0%id, 0.2%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.3%si, 0.0%st Mem: 4058500k total, 943724k used, 3114776k free,30348k buffers Swap: 12173304k total,0k used, 12173304k free, 294172k cached PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEMTIME+ COMMAND 4817 thierry 20 0 84868 30m 7172 S 32 0.8 0:13.57 npviewer.bin 3456 root 20 0 122m 47m 7708 S2 1.2 2:21.57 Xorg and now then same web page, but I deinstall flashplayer: Cpu(s): 0.5%us, 0.5%sy, 0.0%ni, 99.0%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, 0.0%st Mem: 4058500k total, 960940k used, 3097560k free,33280k buffers Swap: 12173304k total,0k used, 12173304k free, 324024k cached PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEMTIME+ COMMAND 4994 thierry 20 0 18896 1268 940 R1 0.0 0:00.18 top 1 root 20 0 10248 756 628 S0 0.0 0:00.72 init 2 root 15 -5 000 S0 0.0 0:00.00 kthreadd Thierry Thierry -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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tom arnall wrote: On Thursday 10 April 2008 14:14, andy wrote: Thierry Chatelet wrote: On Thursday 10 April 2008 21:45:32 Ron Johnson wrote: On 04/10/08 14:35, tom arnall wrote: all of a sudden browsers have become memory hogs on my system (95%). i've I don't see how a single process could use 95% of memory on a 32-bit system. tried iceweasel, opera, galeon. all with the same result. i'm running debian etch. Have you performed any updates lately? Installed non-debianized software? How long does it take for the browsers to suck up all that un-specified amount of memory? How many tabs and windows do you have open? -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA We want... a Shrubbery!! I got the same problem-sid- and it is npviewer which is eating something up to 17% CPU per tab. I think I am going to the thing... Thierry I have been running Iceweasel in the background for the last 3 days. I am running approx 3% swap (on 1 GB allocated) and according to top Firefox-bin uses ~10.6% mem. This is just running FF in the background (minimised) A and what does CPU% look like? CPU ~1% with 5 tabs open in one window. A -- If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about the answers. - Thomas Pynchon, Gravity's Rainbow
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/10/08 17:07, tom arnall wrote: [snip] and what does CPU% look like? I know you asked this of Andy, but really the answer depends on the web site. Dynamic sites that love Flash and thousands of animated GIFs will use more CPU than calmer sites. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA We want... a Shrubbery!! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFH/pf+S9HxQb37XmcRAgyTAJ479QDBFvx4I+aJ+VQivd73/JkYDQCfWSNC uNbuqr4JeUhQy9jrB6uAxy8= =VJvw -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/10/08 17:06, tom arnall wrote: On Thursday 10 April 2008 14:14, andy wrote: Thierry Chatelet wrote: On Thursday 10 April 2008 21:45:32 Ron Johnson wrote: On 04/10/08 14:35, tom arnall wrote: all of a sudden browsers have become memory hogs on my system (95%). i've I don't see how a single process could use 95% of memory on a 32-bit system. tried iceweasel, opera, galeon. all with the same result. i'm running debian etch. Have you performed any updates lately? Installed non-debianized software? How long does it take for the browsers to suck up all that un-specified amount of memory? How many tabs and windows do you have open? We want... a Shrubbery!! I got the same problem-sid- and it is npviewer which is eating something up to 17% CPU per tab. I think I am going to the thing... Thierry I have been running Iceweasel in the background for the last 3 days. I am running approx 3% swap (on 1 GB allocated) and according to top Firefox-bin uses ~10.6% mem. This is just running FF in the background (minimised) A what are you doing that we're not? those figures look great to me. Maybe it's because I am a Republican, and therefore God likes me. But I doubt it... What version of Iceweasel are you running? Have you installed Adblock Plus and Flashblock? - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA We want... a Shrubbery!! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFH/phsS9HxQb37XmcRAiGiAJ4wFrrBnYfO9DCP3Q6vb0isCanTNQCfZoqK Fdp/HMqUa9ox5O51SAWRJ4A= =BW2w -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 02:45:32PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 04/10/08 14:35, tom arnall wrote: all of a sudden browsers have become memory hogs on my system (95%). i've I don't see how a single process could use 95% of memory on a 32-bit system. Easy on my P-II, which is 32-bit (with only 64 MB memory. The real question, is how much memory is it using, not the percentage. If all of real memory is used and the box hits swap hard, its called Thrashing. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 01:25:53PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: On Thu, April 10, 2008 12:45 pm, Ron Johnson wrote: I don't see how a single process could use 95% of memory on a 32-bit system. I can. FF2.x was just painful on my laptop. It only has 256Mb and what i used to be able to do just a few years ago (Firefox, Thunderbird and gaim ne pidgin all open until the machine rebooted) I can barely manage for an hour or two now. FF3 has helped but I'm finding that it and XFCE4 are the primary hogs of memory. After a fresh login I'll have about 40-50Mb used, 0 swap. After a few hours of FF2.x I'd be maxed on memory and pushing 2/3rds of my 256Mb of swap. Close FF and most of the memory and swap go away. FF3 doesn't get that high but it still pushes my machine into swap without much trouble. What really gets me is after 2-3 days logged in I'll exit TBird, FF3 and Pidgin and be right back where I was when I logged in. Just XFCE4 loaded. 70-80Mb used, another 30-50Mb in the swap. I log out of XFCE4, log back in, 40-50Mb used, 0 swap. :/ Yes, it seems that, at least on Etch, there's a memory leak in the GTK2 widget library common to both FF and XFCE (and others). The leak does not happen with Konqueror. Have you tried Konqueror; you don't need all of KDE. Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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same thing happen to me. i am using debian sid. before i do dist-upgrade a week ago. i have the same problem. FF use 97% of the CPU after i open few tabs (my laptop using 256MB + Via C3 1G CPU).. especially when i watch youtube. i have to kill the process manually from the terminal because FF stop responding and the computer s slow. after upgrade FF use 15% of CPU. i don't think the problem solved yet. but i will know .. :P
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On Thursday 10 April 2008 19:11, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 01:25:53PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: On Thu, April 10, 2008 12:45 pm, Ron Johnson wrote: I don't see how a single process could use 95% of memory on a 32-bit system. I can. FF2.x was just painful on my laptop. It only has 256Mb and what i used to be able to do just a few years ago (Firefox, Thunderbird and gaim ne pidgin all open until the machine rebooted) I can barely manage for an hour or two now. FF3 has helped but I'm finding that it and XFCE4 are the primary hogs of memory. After a fresh login I'll have about 40-50Mb used, 0 swap. After a few hours of FF2.x I'd be maxed on memory and pushing 2/3rds of my 256Mb of swap. Close FF and most of the memory and swap go away. FF3 doesn't get that high but it still pushes my machine into swap without much trouble. What really gets me is after 2-3 days logged in I'll exit TBird, FF3 and Pidgin and be right back where I was when I logged in. Just XFCE4 loaded. 70-80Mb used, another 30-50Mb in the swap. I log out of XFCE4, log back in, 40-50Mb used, 0 swap. :/ Yes, it seems that, at least on Etch, there's a memory leak in the GTK2 widget library common to both FF and XFCE (and others). The leak does not happen with Konqueror. Have you tried Konqueror; you don't need all of KDE. Doug. i've been running epiphany for the last few hours and so far no problem. definitely will try konqueror if e' gives problem. tom arnall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
