Re: clueless people on debian-user
I'll put up with some of the spam, and as for misdirected mail, welll... being a complete Linux newbie, I've probably submitted my share. But I've learned a lot from the folks on this list. I'd sure hate to see it go -- Steve Morrill Reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Pub key id: 0xF2459FCD Debian LINUX Where I really want to go today! -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: clueless people on debian-user
On 12 Dec 1997 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think having our lists on news benefits us, and we can tolerate the spam and the mis-directed mail. What do you think? Ummm, I guess we could: - shut down the news gateway, and restrict posts to debian-user to those who are subscribed to it, and make subscription a little tricky (confirmation via a reply that requires the user to jump through a small hoop -- in effect an intelligence test, although one easy enough for small children, pets, etc. to complete, but not the majority of AOL users... ;) or, we could: - live with it, and/or filter incoming messages appropriately with procmail (filtering messages which match the expression (|) is interestingly effective, I find). I favor the second option, I think. For those occasional stupid/misplaced messages, the 'D' key works quite nicely. TL -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
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bruce writes: I think having our lists on news benefits us, and we can tolerate the spam and the mis-directed mail. What do you think? Agreed. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
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I think having our lists on news benefits us, and we can tolerate the spam and the mis-directed mail. What do you think? I think that we need to make the newsgroups read-only. Any submissions to the list should be required to come via e-mail. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
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Why do you want to do that? On 13 Dec 1997, Ben Pfaff wrote: I think having our lists on news benefits us, and we can tolerate the spam and the mis-directed mail. What do you think? I think that we need to make the newsgroups read-only. Any submissions to the list should be required to come via e-mail. Aren't the problems with having the newsgroups that cluless people send stupid messages and spam to the lists? So if we just allow people to *read* the lists on newsgroups, but require them to send submissions to the e-mail address, then we've got the best of both worlds. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: clueless people on debian-user
Ben Pfaff wrote: Aren't the problems with having the newsgroups that cluless people send stupid messages and spam to the lists? So if we just allow people to *read* the lists on newsgroups, but require them to send submissions to the e-mail address, then we've got the best of both worlds. I'm not sure if this is what you mean, but I think you want the newsgroups to be moderated? (Presumably the clueless can still post direct to the mailing list.) Someone would have to filter the clueless postings out before sending the rest on to the mailing list. -- Oliver Elphick[EMAIL PROTECTED] Isle of Wight http://www.lfix.co.uk/oliver PGP key from public servers; key ID 32B8FAA1 Unsolicited email advertisements are not welcome; any person sending such will be invoiced for telephone time used in downloading together with a £25 administration charge. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
clueless people on debian-user
My students were messing around with my classroom computer, and now I have stuff all over the place. I can't get everything back in proper order. What do I do? This is obviously a windows user. Because of postings like this, and because of all the spam we are getting and all of the clueless people who mail to our personal mailboxes, there has been a clamor to shut down the news gateway and go to mailing-list-only distribution of the Debian lists. To compound the problem the news gateway has been stripping out the X-No-Archive header, and the operator is too busy to fix it for now. Also, some web archives do not honor that header at all. I think having our lists on news benefits us, and we can tolerate the spam and the mis-directed mail. What do you think? Bruce -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: clueless people on debian-user
On 12 Dec 1997 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My students were messing around with my classroom computer, and now I have stuff all over the place. I can't get everything back in proper order. What do I do? This is obviously a windows user. Because of postings like this, See my reply to the post as well ! and because of all the spam we are getting and all of the clueless people who mail to our personal mailboxes, there has been a clamor to shut down the news gateway and go to mailing-list-only distribution of the Debian lists. To compound the problem the news gateway has been stripping out the X-No-Archive header, and the operator is too busy to fix it for now. Also, some web archives do not honor that header at all. I think having our lists on news benefits us, and we can tolerate the spam and the mis-directed mail. What do you think? I don't see why people let a little spam get to them. Its bad, but its life. About one out of 50 or 100 messages on debian-user is like this. Thats not much, and Im pretty fast with the 'D' key. I think that the benefits outweigh the costs. I tend not to have an emotional reaction to spam in my inbox, but again , for me its 50 to 1 or more legitimate mail. Question is how many debain users prefer to access the list via usenet ? G John Lapeyre [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tucson,AZ http://www.physics.arizona.edu/~lapeyre -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: clueless people on debian-user
personally I find the usenet more efficient since I don't have to download the complete messages, just the headers Manos G John Lapeyre wrote: On 12 Dec 1997 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My students were messing around with my classroom computer, and now I have stuff all over the place. I can't get everything back in proper order. What do I do? This is obviously a windows user. Because of postings like this, See my reply to the post as well ! and because of all the spam we are getting and all of the clueless people who mail to our personal mailboxes, there has been a clamor to shut down the news gateway and go to mailing-list-only distribution of the Debian lists. To compound the problem the news gateway has been stripping out the X-No-Archive header, and the operator is too busy to fix it for now. Also, some web archives do not honor that header at all. I think having our lists on news benefits us, and we can tolerate the spam and the mis-directed mail. What do you think? I don't see why people let a little spam get to them. Its bad, but its life. About one out of 50 or 100 messages on debian-user is like this. Thats not much, and Im pretty fast with the 'D' key. I think that the benefits outweigh the costs. I tend not to have an emotional reaction to spam in my inbox, but again , for me its 50 to 1 or more legitimate mail. Question is how many debain users prefer to access the list via usenet ? G John Lapeyre [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tucson,AZ http://www.physics.arizona.edu/~lapeyre -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: clueless people on debian-user
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think having our lists on news benefits us, and we can tolerate the spam and the mis-directed mail. What do you think? I agree. -- C.L. Daugaard [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: clueless people on debian-user
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] (G John Lapeyre) writes: I don't see why people let a little spam get to them. Its bad, but its life. About one out of 50 or 100 messages on debian-user is like It's not that difficult to set up procmail to catch most of the spam. And we do have spamdb in hamm. Question is how many debain users prefer to access the list via usenet ? I prefer to receive the lists by mail. off-topic I've recently started piping my incoming debian-user debian-devel messages through a non.mime sed filter before piping them to mail2news. Based on the tests I've run on messages in my /var/spool/news/debian/* directories this filter deletes all of the MIME cruft and appears to leave the clear text intact. You'll also note the I'm striping any existing Distribution: header. I mark all incoming messages Distribution: local when they are gatewayed to news. This is so that they won't get reposted to the group. Recently I found that some mailing list messages arrive with an existing Distribution: header. Mail2news won't overwrite an existing header. Maybe I ought to report this as a bug... Here's the filter : /^Distribution:/d /=_NextPart_/,/=_NextPart_/d /^Content-Type:.*$/d /^Content-Transfer.*$/d /charset=iso\-8859\-1/d s/=$// s/=20$// /off-topic -- _ _ Steve Kostecke| (_)_ __ _ ___ __ [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | | '_ \| | | \ \/ / http://kostecke.home.ml.org | | | | | | |_| | |_|_|_| |_|\__,_/_/\_\ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: clueless people on debian-user
On Fri, 12 Dec 1997, C.L. Daugaard wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think having our lists on news benefits us, and we can tolerate the spam and the mis-directed mail. What do you think? I agree. I agree too. ...RickM... -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
