Re: compiling a Debian package
On Sun, 28 Oct 2012 05:20:01 +0100 lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote: apt-get build-dep dvbcut apt-get source dvbcut cd dvbcut debuild -us -uc ... fails with a number of errors: I hastily went through all the post with this subject and didn't notice anyone suggesting: apt-get install checkinstall apt-get install auto-apt I noticed that auto-apt has been around a while and was an orphan too, yet I see it is still in the docs and the cache and is de rigueur' for checkinstall. These two packages are supposed to make building from source a simple pleasure. -- CK -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/afq9trfdre...@mid.individual.net
Re: compiling a Debian package
Go Linux goli...@yahoo.com writes: Just use either the drivers from their website or the Debian version of those. Won't that work? The Debian version of the driver wouldn't install. It advised me to use nouveau during the failed process. I had never used the sgfxi script before. sgfxi script? It identifies the correct driver and downloads it from the nvidia site. Not without a few bumps but thankfully worked in the end. Card is a 4000 series which is on the edge of no longer being supported. I always just downloaded the latest version from their website and installed it. When your card is that old, it's time for a new one. -- Debian testing iad96 brokenarch -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87r4oapj5v@yun.yagibdah.de
Re: compiling a Debian package
--- On Sat, 11/3/12, lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote: From: lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de Subject: Re: compiling a Debian package To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Date: Saturday, November 3, 2012, 2:42 PM Go Linux goli...@yahoo.com writes: Just use either the drivers from their website or the Debian version of those. Won't that work? The Debian version of the driver wouldn't install. It advised me to use nouveau during the failed process. I had never used the sgfxi script before. sgfxi script? Yes. From here http://smxi.org/ SalineOS even has it available on a basic install. Unfortunately, the dkms 'debian way' wouldn't work this time. It identifies the correct driver and downloads it from the nvidia site. Not without a few bumps but thankfully worked in the end. Card is a 4000 series which is on the edge of no longer being supported. I always just downloaded the latest version from their website and installed it. When your card is that old, it's time for a new one. Yeah . . . I have an old 8400 laying around if nouveau still isn't working when jessie arrives. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1351978885.15142.yahoomailclas...@web163401.mail.gq1.yahoo.com
Re: compiling a Debian package
Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com writes: It is much the best solution to the problem you keep expounding. It is not a solution at all. You clearly dislike Debian intensely, so it is daft to keep using it. I don't dislike Debian, I only dislike that the developers broke it. Windows would give you everything you say you want: up to date hardware support and proprietary drivers. And no FLOSS dead ends. No, I don't want non-free software. It's only something that's there and which is required because unfortunately, there is no alternative. Debian has decided to go back to its roots. No, it hasn't, it has turned away from them. Debian is what it is. Most of us like it, which is why we use it. If you don't like it, don't use it. Well, it's a pity to see a distribution which has been great for such a long time go down like that. And it's not easy to find a replacement, so it'll take some time. -- Debian testing iad96 brokenarch -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87vcdnr4yg@yun.yagibdah.de
Re: compiling a Debian package
Kelly Clowers kelly.clow...@gmail.com writes: On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 10:09 AM, lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote: Besides, I was told in an answer to a bug report that 32bit support will not be available in the next release, Yeah, right. I'll believe that when I see a formal announcement of it on the front page of debian.org and on debian-announce. It doesn't matter what you believe. Just try to get applications that used to work fine to work again, and you'll see. -- Debian testing iad96 brokenarch -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87r4obr4wd@yun.yagibdah.de
Re: compiling a Debian package
Go Linux goli...@yahoo.com writes: po'd. Thankfully, I did manage to get the driver for the old nvidia card installed with the sgfxi script but had to blacklist nouveau to get it to work. Just use either the drivers from their website or the Debian version of those. Won't that work? -- Debian testing iad96 brokenarch -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87ip9nr46j@yun.yagibdah.de
Re: compiling a Debian package
Jochen Spieker m...@well-adjusted.de writes: lee: Darac Marjal mailingl...@darac.org.uk writes: Nothing (that I'm aware of) in Debian bans you from using non-free software. There is only the understanding that support for non-free software is the responsibility of that software's provider. You already can't use it anymore when it's 32bit software. As a general statement this is simply not true. Sure is; if it wasn't true, the applications that used to work would still work. They haven't changed. NVIDIA continues to provide excellent non-free drivers since 15 years or so. You are of course entitled to your own opinion. But you should be aware that most people in the Free Softare world (and probably most people running some Linux distro) oppose that claim. It's my experience, and I don't really care what opinions other people have about this. Such opinions don't change the fact that NVIDIA cards have always been working great for me with the drivers provided by NVIDIA. If you know an alternative that gives me at least the same performance, reliability and trouble-free operation for the same money which exclusively uses free software, then let me know what it is. I'd be happy to see such an alternative. -- Debian testing iad96 brokenarch -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87mwyzr4dy@yun.yagibdah.de
Re: compiling a Debian package
--- On Fri, 11/2/12, lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote: From: lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de Subject: Re: compiling a Debian package To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Date: Friday, November 2, 2012, 6:11 PM Go Linux goli...@yahoo.com writes: po'd. Thankfully, I did manage to get the driver for the old nvidia card installed with the sgfxi script but had to blacklist nouveau to get it to work. Just use either the drivers from their website or the Debian version of those. Won't that work? The Debian version of the driver wouldn't install. It advised me to use nouveau during the failed process. I had never used the sgfxi script before. It identifies the correct driver and downloads it from the nvidia site. Not without a few bumps but thankfully worked in the end. Card is a 4000 series which is on the edge of no longer being supported. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1351915256.48118.yahoomailclas...@web163403.mail.gq1.yahoo.com
troubleshooting a broken mess (was ... Re: compiling a Debian package)
On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 03:04:49PM +0100, lee wrote: Yeah and that's why you are forced to turn your system into a mess with brokenarch and are supposed to try packages from unstable which create only more dependency problems and mess things up even further. Think it through and you'll see that there won't be a next stable release unless they fix the mess they made --- and they're not going to do that. Stable is obsolete and deprecated. OK. Lets work through your problems, or can't you be bothered. I also think this thread (although under a better name, for search purposes) would be good for the archives. So, have you got dependency problems at the moment? What is output of apt-get -f install ? -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2012110735.GN13309@tal
Re: compiling a Debian package
John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com writes: lee writes: It is not illegal to use NVIDIA drivers, yet they are deprecated, without alternative. It is probably not illegal to use firmware to get hardware working that doesn't work without, yet firmware is deprecated, without alternative. The obsession with free software unfortunately leads to dead ends. You clearly do not want to use Debian. Yes, they messed it up beyond repair, and I'm done with it. Free Software is what Debian is about. Don't worry, I like free software a lot. I don't like dead ends, though. -- Debian testing iad96 brokenarch -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87625pteei@yun.yagibdah.de
Re: compiling a Debian package
Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com writes: On Wednesday 31 October 2012 15:25:52 Darac Marjal wrote: Anyway, I feel like I'm feeding a troll here, so I'll just point you to Debian's Social Contract[4] which describes this better than I can He likes moaning. ;-) We are suggesting ways of solving his problem, but it is more fun to slag off the poor developers who do a great job without pay. The only thing you have suggested is to stop using Debian, and I don't call that a solution. It's really funny because a suggestion like that fits this mailing list perfectly :)) -- Debian testing iad96 brokenarch -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87ehkdtf9z@yun.yagibdah.de
Re: compiling a Debian package
John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com writes: Lisi writes: And it does rather sound as though he might be better off with Windows. But at whom would he moan in that case? Microsoft, of course, with the advantage that there would be no danger that they would fix the problems that he moaned about. Hilarious :)) Now it's even considered dangerous that problems might be fixed. Keep going that way :)) -- Debian testing iad96 brokenarch -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87a9v1tf3z@yun.yagibdah.de
Re: compiling a Debian package
Darac Marjal mailingl...@darac.org.uk writes: On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 03:39:04PM +0100, lee wrote: I'm not familiar with cinelerra but, according to the BTS([1] and [2]), there have been two^Wseveral attempts to package cinelerra that have fallen by the wayside. That latter bug seems to suggest that cinelerra depends on non-free software (so it could, perhaps, go in contrib). As ever, if you care about this software, consider helping to fix the remaining issues. If Debian wanted help, they won't make it so difficult for everyone to help them. It's not my problem that they make things so difficult for themselves. Besides, I was told in an answer to a bug report that 32bit support will not be available in the next release, so Debian is deprecated now, and I'm done with it. Who knows what they screw up next. So you have two options, use the NVIDIA driver (with the knowledge that it may access, collect non-personally identifiable information about, update, and configure Customer's system in order to properly optimize such system for use with the SOFTWARE) or use the open driver. The open source driver is not an alternative because it doesn't really work and is ridiculously slow. The NVIDIA driver is excellent and has been for the last 15 years or so, and it's frowned upon by developers and deprecated. The NVIDIA driver in stable is ancient and you have to use at least testing, better unstable to get an up to date driver. I've been using the NVIDIA one rather than the NVIDIA version that's in Debian, and the NVIDIA one gave me a lot less problems. So after about 15 years, there still isn't an alternative. Sure I would prefer an open source driver. That doesn't help because there is none. Last time I tried the nouveau one it was even too slow for a plain X-session, so I won't even say they could make it so that we could switch drivers on the fly because there is no point in doing that. The obsession with free software unfortunately leads to dead ends. Apparently even developers now don't want to stay 20 years behind technology anymore, so they have regressed to deprecate everything that's not free software to force the issue. That's probably leading to a dead end as well, and I don't want to get stuck there. What would you have them do otherwise? They could change their attitude back to we want things to work. Debian wouldn't need to have a messed up version and/or ancient version of the NVIDIA drivers if they just looked at what NVIDIA provides and made sure that it integrates without causing the problems they claim it causes. Developers could acknowledge that there is software they cannot get their hands on and that this software, as unfortunate as it may be, is essential, and they could try to make the best out of this situation. Nothing (that I'm aware of) in Debian bans you from using non-free software. There is only the understanding that support for non-free software is the responsibility of that software's provider. You already can't use it anymore when it's 32bit software. NVIDIA continues to provide excellent non-free drivers since 15 years or so. Dmo doesn't seem to have a problem with non-free software that you say cinelerra depends upon. Things become difficult when developers of free software refuse to accept that there is such a thing as non-free software which may be important for users. I can understand that they get tired of being confronted with non-free software, yet that doesn't help. When their attitude leads them into a dead end, that's their choice, and it's unfortunate because it takes alternatives away users had. -- Debian testing iad96 brokenarch -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87ip9ptflg@yun.yagibdah.de
Re: compiling a Debian package
On Thursday 01 November 2012 17:16:24 lee wrote: Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com writes: On Wednesday 31 October 2012 15:25:52 Darac Marjal wrote: Anyway, I feel like I'm feeding a troll here, so I'll just point you to Debian's Social Contract[4] which describes this better than I can He likes moaning. ;-) We are suggesting ways of solving his problem, but it is more fun to slag off the poor developers who do a great job without pay. The only thing you have suggested is to stop using Debian, and I don't call that a solution. It's really funny because a suggestion like that fits this mailing list perfectly :)) It is much the best solution to the problem you keep expounding. You clearly dislike Debian intensely, so it is daft to keep using it. Windows would give you everything you say you want: up to date hardware support and proprietary drivers. And no FLOSS dead ends. Debian has decided to go back to its roots. Since you so profoundly disagree with the policy, stop using Debian. The developers are volunteers. They can do what they want to do. You could always pay someone to develop a fork for you, or develop it for yourself. There are plenty of distros with different policies - and there is Windows. And OSX, of course. Debian is what it is. Most of us like it, which is why we use it. If you don't like it, don't use it. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201211011757.11874.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: compiling a Debian package
On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 10:09 AM, lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote: Besides, I was told in an answer to a bug report that 32bit support will not be available in the next release, Yeah, right. I'll believe that when I see a formal announcement of it on the front page of debian.org and on debian-announce. I expect it sometime between 2038 and never. Unless you mean something besides support for i386/x86-32, but there is no indication of that from the context. Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=8-hC=yJYyLioEWV_qMiYqcHjHu8jsai0o=touoicd...@mail.gmail.com
Re: compiling a Debian package
lee: Darac Marjal mailingl...@darac.org.uk writes: Nothing (that I'm aware of) in Debian bans you from using non-free software. There is only the understanding that support for non-free software is the responsibility of that software's provider. You already can't use it anymore when it's 32bit software. As a general statement this is simply not true. NVIDIA continues to provide excellent non-free drivers since 15 years or so. You are of course entitled to your own opinion. But you should be aware that most people in the Free Softare world (and probably most people running some Linux distro) oppose that claim. J. -- Nothing is as I planned it. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: compiling a Debian package
--- On Thu, 11/1/12, lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote: From: lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de Subject: Re: compiling a Debian package To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Date: Thursday, November 1, 2012, 12:35 PM Don't worry, I like free software a lot. I don't like dead ends, though. I am finding problems getting some multimedia apps to work properly on wheezy. Certain features of avidemux 2.5.6 crash. 2.6 barely works at all. Their custom install script uses sudo (which isn't enabled by default on Debian). DVDStyler isn't even in the deb multimedia repos for wheezy but there are plenty of .debs available for 'buntu. It seems that media devs are putting time into getting things going on 'buntu but leaving Debian behind. H . . . I wonder why . . . I want to stick with Debian but may have to keep my media work indefinitely on squeeze if things don't straighten out on wheezy. Or find a more media friendly distro. Right now I'm feeling frustrated on the way to po'd. Thankfully, I did manage to get the driver for the old nvidia card installed with the sgfxi script but had to blacklist nouveau to get it to work. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1351813254.84015.yahoomailclas...@web163403.mail.gq1.yahoo.com
Re: compiling a Debian package
On Wednesday 31 October 2012 03:23:42 lee wrote: Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz writes: On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 09:06:37PM +0100, lee wrote: Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com writes: Andrei called d-m.o deprecated because, AFAIK, most of the packages in d-m.o are now available in d.o. Cinelerra is not in Debian, and I haven't been able to compile it, so the only source for it is dmo. You can't even watch a DVD with what's in Debian. Are you referring to libdvdcss2? AFAIUI, there is an ITP out to package an installer for it. ... ahh here it is: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=687624 Yes, and it's still not in Debian testing, besides other software. Just saying that everything is deprecated isn't a solution; it only means that Debian is deprecated. You seem to be very unhappy with Debian. Why _are_ you still using it? You could save your data and install something else. And granted that you would have to set it up from scratch, at least you wouldn't have to cope with something you find as irritating as you do Debian and the way you see it as going. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201210310904.18410.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: compiling a Debian package
lee: Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com writes: Firstly, you could have specified that instead of broad statements like 32 bit support has been removed from Debian. Debian is much more than the amd64 architecture. That is what 32bit support is about. No. First and foremost, 32 Bit support is about supporting 32 Bit hardware. Secondly, so far you have not provided any evidence to this. Just try it and you'll see. Works for me. But then I don't use nVidia drivers. nobody knows. I've sent a bug report and it has been ignored. People suggested that we're now forced to switch to brokenarch and to use packages from unstable, which I tried a couple times, and it made things worse and didn't work and creates dependency problems. What do you expect when using testing/unstable? Their sole purpose is to find and fix bugs. If you use it, expect to find bugs. Really, I can understand if people are a little upset that the transition (in testing/unstable) to multiarch breaks a few things. And I am not happy myself that it looks like wheezy will not include a smooth transition. But that does not mean multiarch is generally broken and that Debian should keep distributing monstrosities like ia32-libs. And it's certainly no fun that Debian becomes more and more like windoze in being unreliable, in telling you what software and drivers you can or should use and some other things. Debian as a whole never cared very much for non-free software. This should not surprise you. Maybe I need to switch to windoze […] Sure, if that helps. J. -- When I get home from the supermarket I don't know what to do with all the plastic. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: compiling a Debian package
On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 04:23:42AM +0100, lee wrote: Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz writes: On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 09:06:37PM +0100, lee wrote: Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com writes: Andrei called d-m.o deprecated because, AFAIK, most of the packages in d-m.o are now available in d.o. Cinelerra is not in Debian, and I haven't been able to compile it, so the only source for it is dmo. You can't even watch a DVD with what's in Debian. Are you referring to libdvdcss2? AFAIUI, there is an ITP out to package an installer for it. ... ahh here it is: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=687624 Yes, and it's still not in Debian testing, besides other software. Just saying that everything is deprecated isn't a solution; it only means that Debian is deprecated. There's a legal reason for that. The DMCA states that, in US jurisdictions, one is not permitted to circumvent an access-control technology such as CSS (the Content Scrambling System employed on most DVDs). The authorised method for decoding a DVD is to obtain a CSS decryption key from the DVD Copy Control Association. Obviously, this is kind of counter to the whole open-source philosophy; if Debian had a project-wide key, anyone would be able to obtain it from the source code and thus decrypt any DVD, thus bypassing the access-control and the DVD Copy Control Association. libdvdcss2 brute forces the decryption on the disk and, so, might be considered circumvention under the DMCA. This IS allowed in some cases and in various other jurisdictions, but it's not really a sensible move for Debian to freely distribute such a package. I'm sure this has been discussed to death on debian-legal. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: compiling a Debian package
On Mi, 31 oct 12, 04:13:59, lee wrote: Just try it and you'll see. Or you figure out how to do it and let me know. Like I said, it worked, then there was an update and it doesn't work anymore, probably because they modified the NVIDIA drivers, though nobody knows. I've sent a bug report and it has been ignored. And the bug number is? (Yes, I already did look for it) People suggested that we're now forced to switch to brokenarch and to use packages from unstable, which I tried a couple times, and it made things worse and didn't work and creates dependency problems. There's a famous quote from our current president from the time when he was still the mayor of our capital[1], which I'll paraphrase to you: testing is not stable ;) [1] Iarna nu-i ca vara, which translates to: Winter is not like summer. Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: compiling a Debian package
Darac Marjal writes: libdvdcss2 brute forces the decryption on the disk and, so, might be considered circumvention under the DMCA. This IS allowed in some cases... It is legal to use it to access a DVD you own in the USA as long as you make no infringing copies. The problem is that the CCA contends that the primary purpose of libdvdcss2 is circumvention and so, they contend, distributing it is illegal. If it can be established that its primary purpose in not copyright infringement it will be legal. That has not yet been done so Debian cannot risk distributing it. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87wqy6g4yo@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: compiling a Debian package
Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com writes: On Mi, 31 oct 12, 04:13:59, lee wrote: Just try it and you'll see. Or you figure out how to do it and let me know. Like I said, it worked, then there was an update and it doesn't work anymore, probably because they modified the NVIDIA drivers, though nobody knows. I've sent a bug report and it has been ignored. And the bug number is? (Yes, I already did look for it) 688714 People suggested that we're now forced to switch to brokenarch and to use packages from unstable, which I tried a couple times, and it made things worse and didn't work and creates dependency problems. There's a famous quote from our current president from the time when he was still the mayor of our capital[1], which I'll paraphrase to you: testing is not stable ;) Yeah and that's why you are forced to turn your system into a mess with brokenarch and are supposed to try packages from unstable which create only more dependency problems and mess things up even further. Think it through and you'll see that there won't be a next stable release unless they fix the mess they made --- and they're not going to do that. Stable is obsolete and deprecated. -- Debian testing iad96 brokenarch -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87sj8uu48u@yun.yagibdah.de
Re: compiling a Debian package
Jochen Spieker m...@well-adjusted.de writes: lee: Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com writes: Firstly, you could have specified that instead of broad statements like 32 bit support has been removed from Debian. Debian is much more than the amd64 architecture. That is what 32bit support is about. No. First and foremost, 32 Bit support is about supporting 32 Bit hardware. Do you still buy 32bit CPUs? Secondly, so far you have not provided any evidence to this. Just try it and you'll see. Works for me. But then I don't use nVidia drivers. Without them, I can't run the application. What actually causes the problem is still unknown. nobody knows. I've sent a bug report and it has been ignored. People suggested that we're now forced to switch to brokenarch and to use packages from unstable, which I tried a couple times, and it made things worse and didn't work and creates dependency problems. What do you expect when using testing/unstable? Their sole purpose is to find and fix bugs. If you use it, expect to find bugs. Testing has been sufficiently stable to use it for the last 12 years. And what choice do you have? NVIDIA drivers in stable are so ancient you can't really use them anymore, and even in testing, some packages are too old to still use them. Really, I can understand if people are a little upset that the transition (in testing/unstable) to multiarch breaks a few things. And I am not happy myself that it looks like wheezy will not include a smooth transition. But that does not mean multiarch is generally broken and that Debian should keep distributing monstrosities like ia32-libs. I'm not only a little upset but majorly pissed. Breaking things like that is what experimental and maybe unstable are for, testing is not. That they decide to force users to brokenarch just before a new release is supposed to come out which will leave users who need 32bit support screwed because it won't be fixed for that release is a very bad idea. There hasn't been anything wrong with ia32-libs. When they want to enforce sucking brokenarch, they should have either waited until after the next release or get it ready before the next release and give users detailed instructions so that they can switch without problems. And it's certainly no fun that Debian becomes more and more like windoze in being unreliable, in telling you what software and drivers you can or should use and some other things. Debian as a whole never cared very much for non-free software. This should not surprise you. That is a different issue. The attitude of developers has changed from we want to make things work to we don't care and everything we don't like is deprecated and if you don't do as we say and/or want things to work, you're screwed. It makes Linux deprecated. Maybe I need to switch to windoze […] Sure, if that helps. I doubt that it will work --- if it would, it would be an advantage. I need a trial version. -- Debian testing iad96 brokenarch -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/871ugevji3@yun.yagibdah.de
Re: compiling a Debian package
Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com writes: You seem to be very unhappy with Debian. Why _are_ you still using it? It's because I haven't found an alternative yet, and it's very time consuming to switch. You could save your data and install something else. Yes, but what? And granted that you would have to set it up from scratch, Not if I switch to another Linux distribution --- and I'm not so sure if that's a good idea. at least you wouldn't have to cope with something you find as irritating as you do Debian and the way you see it as going. It might not only be Debian. Perhaps it's just stupid not to use windoze. I might try gentoo, but it's probably not much different. -- Debian testing iad96 brokenarch -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87objiu3fc@yun.yagibdah.de
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Darac Marjal mailingl...@darac.org.uk writes: libdvdcss2 brute forces the decryption on the disk and, so, might be considered circumvention under the DMCA. This IS allowed in some cases and in various other jurisdictions, but it's not really a sensible move for Debian to freely distribute such a package. I'm aware that there are legal issues involved. Are there such issues with other software that is available only from dmo and not in Debian, like cinelerra? It is not illegal to use NVIDIA drivers, yet they are deprecated, without alternative. It is probably not illegal to use firmware to get hardware working that doesn't work without, yet firmware is deprecated, without alternative. The obsession with free software unfortunately leads to dead ends. Apparently even developers now don't want to stay 20 years behind technology anymore, so they have regressed to deprecate everything that's not free software to force the issue. That's probably leading to a dead end as well, and I don't want to get stuck there. -- Debian testing iad96 brokenarch -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87k3u6u2nr@yun.yagibdah.de
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On Wednesday 31 October 2012 14:22:31 lee wrote: Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com writes: You seem to be very unhappy with Debian. Why _are_ you still using it? It's because I haven't found an alternative yet, and it's very time consuming to switch. You could save your data and install something else. Yes, but what? And granted that you would have to set it up from scratch, Not if I switch to another Linux distribution --- and I'm not so sure if that's a good idea. at least you wouldn't have to cope with something you find as irritating as you do Debian and the way you see it as going. It might not only be Debian. Perhaps it's just stupid not to use windoze. I might try gentoo, but it's probably not much different. I have heard that Windows 7 isn't bad. You might well prefer it. At least it will have proprietary stuff and drivers for new hardware It really does seem pointless to stick with Debian if you dislike it so much. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201210311454.19901.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: compiling a Debian package
On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 03:39:04PM +0100, lee wrote: Darac Marjal mailingl...@darac.org.uk writes: libdvdcss2 brute forces the decryption on the disk and, so, might be considered circumvention under the DMCA. This IS allowed in some cases and in various other jurisdictions, but it's not really a sensible move for Debian to freely distribute such a package. I'm aware that there are legal issues involved. Are there such issues with other software that is available only from dmo and not in Debian, like cinelerra? I'm not familiar with cinelerra but, according to the BTS([1] and [2]), there have been two^Wseveral attempts to package cinelerra that have fallen by the wayside. That latter bug seems to suggest that cinelerra depends on non-free software (so it could, perhaps, go in contrib). As ever, if you care about this software, consider helping to fix the remaining issues. It is not illegal to use NVIDIA drivers, yet they are deprecated, without alternative. It is probably not illegal to use firmware to get hardware working that doesn't work without, yet firmware is deprecated, without alternative. The NVIDIA proprietary drivers are not deprecated without alternative by any means. 1. nvidia-glx is in non-free due to licensing restrictions (NVIDIA state at [3] that the SOFTWARE [...] may be copied and redistributed, provided that the binary files thereof are not modified in any way and that Debian may not [...] attempt in any other matter to obtain the source code. So, while it's legal to use the software, it's not legal to use the source. Thus, it's a complete black box. There is NO way to know that a problem on a system with the NVIDIA driver is not caused by that driver. 2. As an alternative there ARE the nouveau and nv drivers. These are reported to display desktops on several of the NVIDIA devices but, of course, they're reverse-engineered by volunteers so likely don't work as well as the driver by the people who actually designed the hardware. So you have two options, use the NVIDIA driver (with the knowledge that it may access, collect non-personally identifiable information about, update, and configure Customer's system in order to properly optimize such system for use with the SOFTWARE) or use the open driver. The obsession with free software unfortunately leads to dead ends. Apparently even developers now don't want to stay 20 years behind technology anymore, so they have regressed to deprecate everything that's not free software to force the issue. That's probably leading to a dead end as well, and I don't want to get stuck there. What would you have them do otherwise? Nothing (that I'm aware of) in Debian bans you from using non-free software. There is only the understanding that support for non-free software is the responsibility of that software's provider. Anyway, I feel like I'm feeding a troll here, so I'll just point you to Debian's Social Contract[4] which describes this better than I can. [1] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=78209 [2] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=331072 [3] http://www.geforce.com/drivers/license [4] http://www.debian.org/social_contract signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: compiling a Debian package
lee writes: It is not illegal to use NVIDIA drivers, yet they are deprecated, without alternative. It is probably not illegal to use firmware to get hardware working that doesn't work without, yet firmware is deprecated, without alternative. The obsession with free software unfortunately leads to dead ends. You clearly do not want to use Debian. Free Software is what Debian is about. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87sj8ufxqf@thumper.dhh.gt.org
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On Wednesday 31 October 2012 15:25:52 Darac Marjal wrote: Anyway, I feel like I'm feeding a troll here, so I'll just point you to Debian's Social Contract[4] which describes this better than I can He likes moaning. ;-) We are suggesting ways of solving his problem, but it is more fun to slag off the poor developers who do a great job without pay. The obvious thing to do if he dislikes Debian so much is to stop using it. But that would be no fun because he might have to stop moaning. And it does rather sound as though he might be better off with Windows. But at whom would he moan in that case? :-) Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201210311643.23353.lisi.re...@gmail.com
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Lisi writes: And it does rather sound as though he might be better off with Windows. But at whom would he moan in that case? Microsoft, of course, with the advantage that there would be no danger that they would fix the problems that he moaned about. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87objifudn@thumper.dhh.gt.org
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On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 10:04 AM, lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote: Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com writes: On Mi, 31 oct 12, 04:13:59, lee wrote: Just try it and you'll see. Or you figure out how to do it and let me know. Like I said, it worked, then there was an update and it doesn't work anymore, probably because they modified the NVIDIA drivers, though nobody knows. I've sent a bug report and it has been ignored. And the bug number is? (Yes, I already did look for it) 688714 People suggested that we're now forced to switch to brokenarch and to use packages from unstable, which I tried a couple times, and it made things worse and didn't work and creates dependency problems. There's a famous quote from our current president from the time when he was still the mayor of our capital[1], which I'll paraphrase to you: testing is not stable ;) Yeah and that's why you are forced to turn your system into a mess with brokenarch and are supposed to try packages from unstable which create only more dependency problems and mess things up even further. Think it through and you'll see that there won't be a next stable release unless they fix the mess they made --- and they're not going to do that. Stable is obsolete and deprecated. If testing never had any breakage, why would anyone bother with stable?! Anyone reasonable knows that they have to expect problems when using a version of ANYTHING that's labeled testing and especially in this particular case where its sole purpose is to debug the next version of Debian. If you consider stable obsolete and are unhappy with testing, maybe you should try a more fast-moving distribution or a rolling distribution where there MIGHT be less breakage than in testing. In this thread and in your bug report, you're more interested in whining and criticizing than in fixing your system. AFAICT, you've been advised to install packages from experimental and you haven't. Furthermore, you may have been having a bad day but, over and above your misunderstanding of the purpose of testing, your syadmin skills are suspect since you're not sure whether you need xserver-xorg [1], uninstall it [2], and are surprised that you have to re-install it [3,4] in order to run X and they don't inspire confidence that you're up to running testing. 1. Libxvmc1 is installed because xserver-xorg-video-openchrome (which I don't need) depends on it, and xserver-xorg-video-openchrome is installed because xserver-xorg (which I probably need) depends on it. 2. BTW I have removed the xserver-org package 3. startx says it cannot find /usr/bin/X. It actually doesn't exist --- has that been moved or what happened to it? 4. I found I needed to re-install xserver-xorg -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOdo=SxkK34Yy7Exn=fOSX0Eg8XVVO_rBbvZEn3bEGGz3c_=g...@mail.gmail.com
Re: compiling a Debian package
On Lu, 29 oct 12, 18:42:46, Tom H wrote: Andrei called d-m.o deprecated because, AFAIK, most of the packages in d-m.o are now available in d.o. I don't remember doing that... (What do you mean by remove 32bit support?) Don't worry, it's just FUD. It's unlikely that i386 (as in the Debian architecture) will go away before the release of Jessie and even afterwards, it will probably stay around as a partial architecture, which is a possibility introduced by multiarch. Support for 32 bit in general will probably stay around even longer, ARM and MIPS are just getting 64 bit support. Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
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On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 7:55 AM, Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: On Lu, 29 oct 12, 18:42:46, Tom H wrote: Andrei called d-m.o deprecated because, AFAIK, most of the packages in d-m.o are now available in d.o. I don't remember doing that... I'm sorry. I could've sworn that I'd a post of yours to that effect but I've just read through the archive and found nada. I was hallucinating! Sorry again. (What do you mean by remove 32bit support?) Don't worry, it's just FUD. Thanks. I'm not worried. I was just curious what Lee's misunderstanding was... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOdo=SzSvs_JUOw=0nj7xc--8j8a0v034-raiqc2chabl3l...@mail.gmail.com
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Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com writes: Thanks. I'm not worried. I was just curious what Lee's misunderstanding was... It's not my misunderstanding. Since a while, 32bit support is gone with no way to get it back, and if I didn't have a 64bit alternative that half-way works, I wouldn't have Debian anymore. -- Debian testing iad96 brokenarch -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87625ryai3@yun.yagibdah.de
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Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com writes: Don't worry, it's just FUD. It's unlikely that i386 (as in the Debian architecture) will go away before the release of Jessie and even afterwards, it will probably stay around as a partial architecture, which is a possibility introduced by multiarch. Support for 32 bit in general will probably stay around even longer, ARM and MIPS are just getting 64 bit support. You're ignoring that you cannot run 32bit apps on amd64 anymore --- support for that has been removed and they want to force users to switch to brokenarch which doesn't work. -- Debian testing iad96 brokenarch -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87a9v3yb5c@yun.yagibdah.de
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Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com writes: Andrei called d-m.o deprecated because, AFAIK, most of the packages in d-m.o are now available in d.o. Cinelerra is not in Debian, and I haven't been able to compile it, so the only source for it is dmo. You can't even watch a DVD with what's in Debian. (What do you mean by remove 32bit support?) 32bit support has been removed from Debian. It used to work, then there was an update and it doesn't work anymore since then. There isn't a fix, either, it's just not supported anymore. It might work again in a year or two perhaps, or perhaps not. If you know how to fix it, let me know. -- Debian testing iad96 brokenarch -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87ehkfybaq@yun.yagibdah.de
Re: compiling a Debian package
On Ma, 30 oct 12, 21:23:48, lee wrote: Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com writes: Thanks. I'm not worried. I was just curious what Lee's misunderstanding was... It's not my misunderstanding. Since a while, 32bit support is gone with no way to get it back, and if I didn't have a 64bit alternative that half-way works, I wouldn't have Debian anymore. Right... $ uname -a Linux think 3.2.0-4-rt-686-pae #1 SMP PREEMPT RT Debian 3.2.32-1 i686 GNU/Linux $ dpkg --print-architecture i386 Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
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On Ma, 30 oct 12, 21:09:51, lee wrote: You're ignoring that you cannot run 32bit apps on amd64 anymore --- support for that has been removed and they want to force users to switch to brokenarch which doesn't work. Firstly, you could have specified that instead of broad statements like 32 bit support has been removed from Debian. Debian is much more than the amd64 architecture. Secondly, so far you have not provided any evidence to this. Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
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On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 09:06:37PM +0100, lee wrote: Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com writes: Andrei called d-m.o deprecated because, AFAIK, most of the packages in d-m.o are now available in d.o. Cinelerra is not in Debian, and I haven't been able to compile it, so the only source for it is dmo. You can't even watch a DVD with what's in Debian. Are you referring to libdvdcss2? AFAIUI, there is an ITP out to package an installer for it. ... ahh here it is: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=687624 -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121031010105.GH15800@tal
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Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com writes: On Ma, 30 oct 12, 21:23:48, lee wrote: Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com writes: Thanks. I'm not worried. I was just curious what Lee's misunderstanding was... It's not my misunderstanding. Since a while, 32bit support is gone with no way to get it back, and if I didn't have a 64bit alternative that half-way works, I wouldn't have Debian anymore. Right... $ uname -a Linux think 3.2.0-4-rt-686-pae #1 SMP PREEMPT RT Debian 3.2.32-1 i686 GNU/Linux $ dpkg --print-architecture i386 I'm talking about 32bit support so you can run 32bit software on amd64, of course. Moving back in time over a decade to an obsolete and deprecated architecture isn't a solution. -- Debian testing iad96 brokenarch -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/874nlbwe2r@yun.yagibdah.de
Re: compiling a Debian package
Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com writes: On Ma, 30 oct 12, 21:09:51, lee wrote: You're ignoring that you cannot run 32bit apps on amd64 anymore --- support for that has been removed and they want to force users to switch to brokenarch which doesn't work. Firstly, you could have specified that instead of broad statements like 32 bit support has been removed from Debian. Debian is much more than the amd64 architecture. That is what 32bit support is about. Secondly, so far you have not provided any evidence to this. Just try it and you'll see. Or you figure out how to do it and let me know. Like I said, it worked, then there was an update and it doesn't work anymore, probably because they modified the NVIDIA drivers, though nobody knows. I've sent a bug report and it has been ignored. People suggested that we're now forced to switch to brokenarch and to use packages from unstable, which I tried a couple times, and it made things worse and didn't work and creates dependency problems. It'll be fun to watch people upgrading to the next release and then find out that their 32bit software doesn't work anymore. And it's certainly no fun that Debian becomes more and more like windoze in being unreliable, in telling you what software and drivers you can or should use and some other things. Maybe I need to switch to windoze so I can run the software I want and use drivers that allow me to actually make use of my hardware without being frowned upon rather than being told that everything is deprecated and that there is no alternative for it or only a ridiculously crappy one. -- Debian testing iad96 brokenarch -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87zk33uydk@yun.yagibdah.de
Re: compiling a Debian package
Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz writes: On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 09:06:37PM +0100, lee wrote: Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com writes: Andrei called d-m.o deprecated because, AFAIK, most of the packages in d-m.o are now available in d.o. Cinelerra is not in Debian, and I haven't been able to compile it, so the only source for it is dmo. You can't even watch a DVD with what's in Debian. Are you referring to libdvdcss2? AFAIUI, there is an ITP out to package an installer for it. ... ahh here it is: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=687624 Yes, and it's still not in Debian testing, besides other software. Just saying that everything is deprecated isn't a solution; it only means that Debian is deprecated. -- Debian testing iad96 brokenarch -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87sj8vuxxd@yun.yagibdah.de
Re: compiling a Debian package
John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com writes: I wrote: apt-get build-dep should establish the required environment. Andrei writes: Assuming a pure Debian environment. As it turns out the OP does have foreign libraries installed. I don't. Then you would have to send the bug report: It was closed because I have those libs from dmo installed, and dmo is deprecated. They shouldn't deprecate a valuable repository before they have a replacement. First they remove 32bit support, now they remove multimedia support (or the other way round). Debian turns more and more into a jail :( What will they remove next? It's time to move on to something else. -- Debian testing iad96 brokenarch -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87liepl2r9@yun.yagibdah.de
Re: compiling a Debian package
On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 11:24 AM, lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote: John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com writes: I wrote: Andrei writes: apt-get build-dep should establish the required environment. Assuming a pure Debian environment. As it turns out the OP does have foreign libraries installed. I don't. Then you would have to send the bug report: It was closed because I have those libs from dmo installed, and dmo is deprecated. They shouldn't deprecate a valuable repository before they have a replacement. First they remove 32bit support, now they remove multimedia support (or the other way round). Debian turns more and more into a jail :( What will they remove next? http://www.debian-multimedia.org has been moved to http://www.deb-multimedia.org Andrei called d-m.o deprecated because, AFAIK, most of the packages in d-m.o are now available in d.o. (What do you mean by remove 32bit support?) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOdo=szqd9uzuemy6pblsqx-lrx5uzwqdhsmwq+yjb+oji7...@mail.gmail.com
Re: compiling a Debian package
On Du, 28 oct 12, 05:18:14, lee wrote: Hi, is it a bug that should be reported when a source package doesn't compile? Yes, but only if you can prove it is not due to a problem in your build environment. You could post console output here. And how come that there is a binary package though it cannot be compiled? Debian packages are built in controlled minimal environments that may be very different to yours. Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
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On Du, 28 oct 12, 11:44:57, Andrei POPESCU wrote: Yes, but only if you can prove it is not due to a problem in your build environment. You could post console output here. I meant more. For example the output of the 'configure' step could be useful. Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: compiling a Debian package
Andrei POPESCU writes: Yes, but only if you can prove it is not due to a problem in your build environment. You could post console output here. apt-get build-dep should establish the required environment. Debian packages are built in controlled minimal environments that may be very different to yours. They are often built in whatever environment the developer happens to have on his machine. In any case any package that won't build when it's build dependencies are satisfied is buggy. Our users should be able to compile their own software following the instructions we give them. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87txteiwu2@thumper.dhh.gt.org
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lee writes: is it a bug that should be reported when a source package doesn't compile? Yes. And how come that there is a binary package though it cannot be compiled? It compiled on the developer's machine and on the buildds. Most likely one or more of the dependencies is not sufficiently strict. I assume you mean cd dvbcut-0.5.4+svn178. The build fails here as well. File a FTBS bug. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87pq42ivir@thumper.dhh.gt.org
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John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com writes: lee writes: is it a bug that should be reported when a source package doesn't compile? Yes. And how come that there is a binary package though it cannot be compiled? It compiled on the developer's machine and on the buildds. Most likely one or more of the dependencies is not sufficiently strict. I assume you mean cd dvbcut-0.5.4+svn178. The build fails here as well. File a FTBS bug. Thank you for trying! Yes, I have the same version here. I've sent a bug report, see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=691682 Do you have packages from dmo installed? It seems as if that may cause the problem. Since I only wanted to see if compiling it with -march=native makes a difference, it doesn't really matter. If I could compile cinelerra or had an alternative for that, I could remove the dmo packages again ... -- Debian testing iad96 brokenarch -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87ip9uo7oj@yun.yagibdah.de
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lee writes: Do you have packages from dmo installed? No. I have no need for them. I just compiled dvbcut to check out the bug. I've already deleted it. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87lieqijpc@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: compiling a Debian package
On Du, 28 oct 12, 07:51:17, John Hasler wrote: Andrei POPESCU writes: Yes, but only if you can prove it is not due to a problem in your build environment. You could post console output here. apt-get build-dep should establish the required environment. Assuming a pure Debian environment. As it turns out the OP does have foreign libraries installed. I'm predicting that unless he can prove the bug exists with Debian libraries as well his bug will be closed. Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: compiling a Debian package
I wrote: apt-get build-dep should establish the required environment. Andrei writes: Assuming a pure Debian environment. As it turns out the OP does have foreign libraries installed. I don't. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87hapei7ln@thumper.dhh.gt.org
compiling a Debian package
Hi, is it a bug that should be reported when a source package doesn't compile? And how come that there is a binary package though it cannot be compiled? apt-get build-dep dvbcut apt-get source dvbcut cd dvbcut debuild -us -uc ... fails with a number of errors: [...] lavfmuxer.cpp: In constructor ‘lavfmuxer::lavfmuxer(const char*, uint32_t, mpgfile, const char*)’: lavfmuxer.cpp:46:9: error: ‘AVFormatContext’ has no member named ‘preload’ lavfmuxer.cpp:48:9: error: ‘AVFormatContext’ has no member named ‘mux_rate’ [...] lavfmuxer.cpp:118:36: error: ‘av_set_parameters’ was not declared in this scope lavfmuxer.cpp:118:109: error: ‘URL_WRONLY’ was not declared in this scope lavfmuxer.cpp:118:119: error: ‘url_fopen’ was not declared in this scope lavfmuxer.cpp:123:9: error: ‘AVFormatContext’ has no member named ‘preload’ lavfmuxer.cpp:125:9: error: ‘AVFormatContext’ has no member named ‘mux_rate’ lavfmuxer.cpp:128:35: error: ‘dump_format’ was not declared in this scope lavfmuxer.cpp:130:23: error: ‘av_write_header’ was not declared in this scope lavfmuxer.cpp: In destructor ‘virtual lavfmuxer::~lavfmuxer()’: lavfmuxer.cpp:141:28: error: ‘url_fclose’ was not declared in this scope -- Debian testing iad96 brokenarch -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/878varp6ux@yun.yagibdah.de
Re: compiling a Debian package
On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 05:18:14AM +0100, lee wrote: Hi, is it a bug that should be reported when a source package doesn't compile? And how come that there is a binary package though it cannot be compiled? apt-get build-dep dvbcut apt-get source dvbcut cd dvbcut debuild -us -uc ... fails with a number of errors: It depends. Which version of the compiler and libraries do you have installed, and which version was used on the buildd? And is the current version buildable in sid and wheezy? If so, it's may not be a release critical bug, although it may still be a bug. Please check these details (versions of packages, compiler etc.). HTH. Kumar -- I've no idea when Linus is going to release 2.0.24, but if he takes too long Im going to release a 2.0.24unoff and he can sound off all he likes. -- Alan Cox -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121028051435.ga26...@bluemoon.alumni.iitm.ac.in
Re: Compiling non-Debian package (amaya) OpenGL libraries required
Sian Mountbatten writes: Hi All! Does anybody know which package provides OpenGL libraries for development? I am using the siduction distribution which is based on Debian sid. Look for libGL.so (as is, without trailing numbers) under your usr/. It could have been installed as a result of pulling your graphic card's driver. If not, libgl1-mesa-dev is the package you are looking for. -- Alberto -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87eht69mgl@eps142.cdf.udc.es
Re: Compiling non-Debian package (amaya) OpenGL libraries required
On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 22:15:45 +, Sian Mountbatten wrote: Does anybody know which package provides OpenGL libraries for development? I am using the siduction distribution which is based on Debian sid. http://www.w3.org/Amaya/User/AmayaWX.html#What THT. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jj5alu$ds9$1...@dough.gmane.org
Re: Compiling non-Debian package (amaya) OpenGL libraries required
On 06/03/12 15:40, Camaleón wrote: On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 22:15:45 +, Sian Mountbatten wrote: Does anybody know which package provides OpenGL libraries for development? I am using the siduction distribution which is based on Debian sid. http://www.w3.org/Amaya/User/AmayaWX.html#What THT. Greetings, Very useful, TVM -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jj5f22$5t0$1...@speranza.aioe.org
Compiling non-Debian package (amaya) OpenGL libraries required
Hi All! Does anybody know which package provides OpenGL libraries for development? I am using the siduction distribution which is based on Debian sid. -- Sian Mountbatten Algol 68 specialist -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jj3dud$j8m$1...@speranza.aioe.org
