Re: cupsys installation
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 01:11:56PM -0500, Tom Allison wrote: Is there any way to install cups without introducing any of the X11 libraries? I am trying to set this up on a headless box that doesn't have the resources available for needlessly running X11. Does it pull in the xserver? It may need some of the libraries to do what it has to do to the data (image rasterisation, etc). Which libraries/progs are your concern. I've just gone through with apt-cache show pkg and apt-cache rdepends pkg on some of the obvious packages, and there doesn't appear to be dependencies on x11-common, for example, which is needed for X11. Is it diskspace, CPU, or memory which is the concern? -- Chris. == I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours. -- Stephen F Roberts -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: cupsys installation
* Douglas A. Tutty (2008-12-13): On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 01:11:56PM -0500, Tom Allison wrote: Is there any way to install cups without introducing any of the X11 libraries? I am trying to set this up on a headless box that doesn't have the resources available for needlessly running X11. If you have a resource-limited box, you probably don't want to run CUPS. What is it you're trying to do. CUPS is only one of a few print spooler systems available. For home use, you could try p910nd http://p910nd.sourceforge.net/ -André -- May as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb! Linkstation/KuroBox/HG/HS/Tera Kernel 2.6/PPC from http://hvkls.dyndns.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: cupsys installation
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 8:29 PM, Douglas A. Tutty dtu...@vianet.ca wrote: On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 01:11:56PM -0500, Tom Allison wrote: Is there any way to install cups without introducing any of the X11 libraries? I am trying to set this up on a headless box that doesn't have the resources available for needlessly running X11. If you have a resource-limited box, you probably don't want to run CUPS. What is it you're trying to do. CUPS is only one of a few print spooler systems available. I've never found CUPS to be hard on resources - even on old boxes, and the alternatives are all rather lame IMO Brian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: cupsys installation
Douglas A. Tutty wrote: On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 01:11:56PM -0500, Tom Allison wrote: Is there any way to install cups without introducing any of the X11 libraries? I am trying to set this up on a headless box that doesn't have the resources available for needlessly running X11. If you have a resource-limited box, you probably don't want to run CUPS. What is it you're trying to do. CUPS is only one of a few print spooler systems available. Doug. It's not a limited box. But I have no need to have my RAM and CPU invested in running X when it will never be used. I've tried installing cups over the last two days and it's turning into a real cluster of a mess. I think somewhere I was even able to convince aptitude that it didn't really need to install dependencies - I was messing around with apt.conf for a while. After restoring apt.conf it was still giving me grief. The last problem I had was that I could identify a printer, but when I selected the PPD file to add the printer, everything would just hang with no mention of errors or issues in debug mode. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: cupsys installation
Tom Allison wrote: Douglas A. Tutty wrote: On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 01:11:56PM -0500, Tom Allison wrote: Is there any way to install cups without introducing any of the X11 libraries? I am trying to set this up on a headless box that doesn't have the resources available for needlessly running X11. If you have a resource-limited box, you probably don't want to run CUPS. What is it you're trying to do. CUPS is only one of a few print spooler systems available. Doug. It's not a limited box. But I have no need to have my RAM and CPU invested in running X when it will never be used. I've tried installing cups over the last two days and it's turning into a real cluster of a mess. I think somewhere I was even able to convince aptitude that it didn't really need to install dependencies - I was messing around with apt.conf for a while. After restoring apt.conf it was still giving me grief. The last problem I had was that I could identify a printer, but when I selected the PPD file to add the printer, everything would just hang with no mention of errors or issues in debug mode. I suppose if you really wanted to install cups with out the X11 deps, you could try downloading the .debs from debian.org and then start using dpkg --force-depends-version $packagename.deb. However, this could have fun and interesting effects. I find it strange and even kind of bizarre, this attitude that I don't want X libs on my box to free up the resources because you don't have the resources available for needlessly running X11. If this is the case, just don't run X and no resources are used aside from some disk space. OTOH, I can totally see why you would not want to run X from a security point, and in that vain, even having it installed could lead to some unknown exploit. OTHO, if you are going to be running a print server, how critical could this box be? I do share your frustration in what sometimes seems to be needless deps (like operea , which I never use is called by gnome package and removing it breaks tons of things.). I suppose you could always get the source and recompile it for your secure installation? Baring that, start trying the dpkg --force-depends-version and start installing the packages one by one until you have a working cupsys. HTH -- Damon L. Chesser da...@damtek.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/dchesser -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Followup (was Re: cupsys installation)
On 12/12/08 15:45, Ron Johnson wrote: On 12/12/08 15:20, Tom Allison wrote: What about the cups server? Hmmm, you're right. I really did think that cups was a dummy, and that the daemon was in a separate package. Mea culpa. If you install xpdf-utils before hand, I don't think too many X11 packages will be pulled it. On Dec 12, 2008, at 2:17 PM, Ron Johnson ron.l.john...@cox.net wrote: On 12/12/08 12:11, Tom Allison wrote: Is there any way to install cups without introducing any of the X11 libraries? I am trying to set this up on a headless box that doesn't have the resources available for needlessly running X11. The package cups is a dummy that simply depends on a kitchen sink full of packages. For a non-GUI system, install: libcups2 libcupsimage2 cups-common cups-client and probably: cups-bsd cups-driver-gutenprint -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA How does being physically handicapped make me Differently-Abled? What different abilities do I have? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: cupsys installation
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 10:11, Tom Allison t...@tacocat.net wrote: Is there any way to install cups without introducing any of the X11 libraries? I am trying to set this up on a headless box that doesn't have the resources available for needlessly running X11. Are you using Stable? For what it is worth, it looks to me like the testing/unstable cups shouldn't depend on any X stuff Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: cupsys installation
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 09:45:57AM -0500, Tom Allison wrote: Douglas A. Tutty wrote: On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 01:11:56PM -0500, Tom Allison wrote: Is there any way to install cups without introducing any of the X11 libraries? I am trying to set this up on a headless box that doesn't have the resources available for needlessly running X11. If you have a resource-limited box, you probably don't want to run CUPS. What is it you're trying to do. CUPS is only one of a few print spooler systems available. It's not a limited box. But I have no need to have my RAM and CPU invested in running X when it will never be used. I've tried installing cups over the last two days and it's turning into a real cluster of a mess. I think somewhere I was even able to convince aptitude that it didn't really need to install dependencies - I was messing around with apt.conf for a while. After restoring apt.conf it was still giving me grief. The last problem I had was that I could identify a printer, but when I selected the PPD file to add the printer, everything would just hang with no mention of errors or issues in debug mode. My question was really, why are you bothering with CUPS? Personally, I use lpr and aps-filter. I've also used LPRng. I once used LPRng with foomatic-printfilters. foomatic- uses cupsys but it doesn't use CUPS as a spooler but you do get the enhanced features from the gs-esp stuff. You just have to ensure that you tell foomatic what your default print spooler system is, otherwise it complains that it can't find CUPS. Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
cupsys installation
Is there any way to install cups without introducing any of the X11 libraries? I am trying to set this up on a headless box that doesn't have the resources available for needlessly running X11. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: cupsys installation
On 12/12/08 12:11, Tom Allison wrote: Is there any way to install cups without introducing any of the X11 libraries? I am trying to set this up on a headless box that doesn't have the resources available for needlessly running X11. The package cups is a dummy that simply depends on a kitchen sink full of packages. For a non-GUI system, install: libcups2 libcupsimage2 cups-common cups-client and probably: cups-bsd cups-driver-gutenprint -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA How does being physically handicapped make me Differently-Abled? What different abilities do I have? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: cupsys installation
What about the cups server? On Dec 12, 2008, at 2:17 PM, Ron Johnson ron.l.john...@cox.net wrote: On 12/12/08 12:11, Tom Allison wrote: Is there any way to install cups without introducing any of the X11 libraries? I am trying to set this up on a headless box that doesn't have the resources available for needlessly running X11. The package cups is a dummy that simply depends on a kitchen sink full of packages. For a non-GUI system, install: libcups2 libcupsimage2 cups-common cups-client and probably: cups-bsd cups-driver-gutenprint -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA How does being physically handicapped make me Differently-Abled? What different abilities do I have? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: cupsys installation
On 12/12/08 15:20, Tom Allison wrote: What about the cups server? Hmmm, you're right. I really did think that cups was a dummy, and that the daemon was in a separate package. Mea culpa. On Dec 12, 2008, at 2:17 PM, Ron Johnson ron.l.john...@cox.net wrote: On 12/12/08 12:11, Tom Allison wrote: Is there any way to install cups without introducing any of the X11 libraries? I am trying to set this up on a headless box that doesn't have the resources available for needlessly running X11. The package cups is a dummy that simply depends on a kitchen sink full of packages. For a non-GUI system, install: libcups2 libcupsimage2 cups-common cups-client and probably: cups-bsd cups-driver-gutenprint -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA How does being physically handicapped make me Differently-Abled? What different abilities do I have? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: cupsys installation
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 01:11:56PM -0500, Tom Allison wrote: Is there any way to install cups without introducing any of the X11 libraries? I am trying to set this up on a headless box that doesn't have the resources available for needlessly running X11. If you have a resource-limited box, you probably don't want to run CUPS. What is it you're trying to do. CUPS is only one of a few print spooler systems available. Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
