Re: debian mobile and easy install.

2018-07-22 Thread Dan Ritter
On Sat, Jul 21, 2018 at 03:52:56PM +0100, furey2310 wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> All the talk regarding linux mobile o/s and one after the other...
> discontinued.
> 
> why is there not a compiled set of instructions (installation code itself)
> to be saved on a usb (only installs on a mobile device) as in the apt get
> repository where you can right click, save as and paste it to an android
> system/root file, if you can get in that far (i can just about clear hidden
> system files.

Although it looks like "android phones" are a single type of
computer, they are not. They are much less standardized than
anything you think of as a PC; in fact, there are fewer
differences between a Mac laptop and a Dell laptop than you will
find between two random Android phones. Basically, each one is a
separate porting effort.

In addtion...

> upon next reboot pushing both buttons in or whatever takes you to root on
> your mobile/cell phone,

they all have varying kinds of encrypted bootloaders; each one
needs to be broken or bypassed individually. 

-dsr-



Re: debian mobile and easy install.

2018-07-21 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Sat, Jul 21, 2018 at 03:52:56PM +0100, furey2310 wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> All the talk regarding linux mobile o/s and one after the other...
> discontinued.

Purism are going from strength to strength, and for a few years now:
https://puri.sm/

Check out: https://puri.sm/shop/librem5

Phone OS based on Debian. In the works. All types of contributors
welcome.

As the software stack gets closer and closer to being nailed, the
"install on 'walled garden' hardware" options will also expand, so
istm that Purism may well begin with the Librem5, where Canonical
left off.

Have a few OpenMoko's in a box still - the original open phone, and
the first crowd-sourced open hardware before "crowd sourced" was a
term. Makes me nostalgic for those folks who are hard core freedom
lovers/ defenders (as are Purism folks).

We're getting there…

Enjoy,


> why is there not a compiled set of instructions (installation code itself) to
> be saved on a usb (only installs on a mobile device) as in the apt get
> repository where you can right click, save as and paste it to an android
> system/root file, if you can get in that far (i can just about clear hidden
> system files.
> upon next reboot pushing both buttons in or whatever takes you to root on your
> mobile/cell phone, it will then show the code heading as one of the root
> maintenance tools to initiate installation sequence including the dialler if
> it isn't left anyway.
> firewall and security tools already configured and checked regularly,
> reconfigured where applicable.
> 
> I know it's not supposed to be easy (even for a novice like me) but as with
> android, security should be pre set, resettable back to default when needed.
> 
> Install via a set code rather than installation media.

Oh yes, it is supposed to be easy, once the hackers and Debianistas
make it easy - that can just take a little time.

The meta history is that Linux achieved world domination, but not on
the desktop.

KDE began as only partially free (many years ago now), and so Gnome
was started.

KDE core libs ended up being freed (to GPL) then extra-freed (to
LGPL), but by then Canonical and Red Hat had 'standardized' on Gnome.

KDE then did its "rewrite the world" thing, causing 2+ years
stagnation from the end user's perspective.

Gnome folks laughed condescendingly and we users smugly enjoyed our
Gnome 2 "Windows 95" style desktops, secure in our superiority to
mere "peasants" who used anything less (i.e. anything else).

Then the iPhone happened, instantly killing Nokia (well, it took
about 3 weeks, and it took Nokia 3 years to realise it really had
missed the boat, had all but died, and therefore the best option was
to --really-- kill it off by selling the company to Microsoft, which
they did, and it promptly was).

Sope!

SO‼

So, so, so so so, so so!‼¡!

Free software hackers the world over collectively gasped in shock,
began to continually pine wistfully in unapologetic lust for Apple's
walled garden hardware and walled garden app store, endlessly longing
for Angry Birds running on Linux,

and promptly threw the baby out with the bathwater, by which I mean
that KDE re-wrote the world, -again-, and Gnome promptly went and did
the same thing.

All the gloaters (your incredibly humble author included) were
literally stupified in instant shell shock, as no desktop existed any
more, merely lame attempts to create endless alternatives to iOS,
which, due to our ethos of always, BUT ALWAYS, reinvent the wheel, no
matter when else you do, meant that every sane end user on the planet
had to use XFCE for the desktop.

And then the last decade disappeared with half breed cross dressers
like "Gnome 3 point OH FIRETRUCK ME SIDEWAYS and bury the 0x dead beef
already, mofo!".

Hard days I tell ya, hard fricking days!  Many a crate of whisky
disappeared into the annals of cellular liver degeneration.

So then the desktop finally unified. I kid, I kid, of course then we
had a literal zillion desktop splinters - two or more KDE "new" core
library based variants for desktops and for mobile phones. Then the
libs were rewritten A-FIRETRUCKING-GAIN for tablets.

And of course Gnome did the exact same thing. And those who would not
give up the desktop so easily began or resurrected more projects
again, from Cinnamon to Mate, Gnome plugins to Plasma, Matchbox to
LXQt.

And now we're here.

Good luck ;)



Re: debian mobile and easy install.

2018-07-21 Thread deloptes
furey2310 wrote:

> All the talk regarding linux mobile o/s and one after the other...
> discontinued.

what do you want to know exactly?

I use at the moment two linux based phones - the old Nokia N9 (based on deb)
and the new Sailfish OS X (Sony Xperia X based on rpm)

The big challenge is the market and the OEMs. Sony has AOSP that Jolla used
to build Sailfish.

Read more, 
come back, 
we talk

regards



debian mobile and easy install.

2018-07-21 Thread furey2310

Hi,

All the talk regarding linux mobile o/s and one after the other... 
discontinued.


why is there not a compiled set of instructions (installation code 
itself) to be saved on a usb (only installs on a mobile device) as in 
the apt get repository where you can right click, save as and paste it 
to an android system/root file, if you can get in that far (i can just 
about clear hidden system files.
upon next reboot pushing both buttons in or whatever takes you to root 
on your mobile/cell phone, it will then show the code heading as one of 
the root maintenance tools to initiate installation sequence including 
the dialler if it isn't left anyway.
firewall and security tools already configured and checked regularly, 
reconfigured where applicable.


I know it's not supposed to be easy (even for a novice like me) but as 
with android, security should be pre set, resettable back to default 
when needed.


Install via a set code rather than installation media.

Regards,

Patrick.