Re: desktop notification gone
On Sat, 12 May 2012 21:41:44 +0200, Tom wrote: On 05/12/2012 06:02 PM, Camaleón wrote: Check whether the notification-daemon is started after you login. It is, I re-checked this afternoon for Michael already (and besides, notify-send does okay, which I guess it wouldn't without the daemon). When running Gnome everything's fine. What GNOME? Fallback or shell? :-) That'd be shell. I'm not sure what kind of smiley it really deserves though. :) He. Then, when login with gnome-shell the notifications are coming from inside, I mean, libnotify and the gnome-shell itself (I have no notification-daemon process running when I'm inside a gnome-shell session). You can also try the usual thing: create a new user, login and check if the notifications are working Nothing's different for the new user: everything notifies properly in Gnome, but only once in Openbox. Now, eh, I generally roll eyes when somebody starts answering to their own questions, but I couldn't help it. After quite a detour I learned it's likely/probably about the message queue not being flushed, but I didn't find a solution for that. Statnot [1] was referred to in the Arch forums because it has a QUEUE_NOTIFICATIONS config option. For notify-OSD and notification-daemon however the only advice I found was to kill it. Yes, kill it and re-launch it again to see what happens. If things start working as they should and notifications pop-up again, then your theory of the notifying queue is not being fushed will earn extra points and you can consider in opening a bug report :-) The notification specification [2] mentions expire_timeout. If that is set to -1, the decision is left to the notification server. Since my music player does just that, I suppose notification-daemon is to blame. Sadly it isn't very configurable (not at all, as far as I'm aware). (...) Users shouldn't need to care about that queue thingies. If the daemon is up and running and notifications only come up once, something is wrong with it and as you are running sid, the possibilities of hitting some sort of bug increase. Anyway, you can also review your logs, just in case. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/joo1kr$dun$9...@dough.gmane.org
Re: desktop notification gone
Hey Adrian, To anybody else reading this and not using Gnome or KDE, how does notification work for you? I use xfce4-notifyd from XFCE .. It also has a nice configuration utility: xfce4-notifyd-config. Works great so far (for at least 2 months); couldn't be happier. Works like a charm indeed. Thanks a bunch for returning my bubbles! :) Tom -- np: Les Joyaux de la Princesse - La Retardée I -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4faf9215.10...@virta.be
Re: desktop notification gone
Hey Camaleón, First off, to my delight it is worked around by using XFCE's daemon, cf. Adrian's message. After quite a detour I learned it's likely/probably about the message queue not being flushed .. For notify-OSD and notification-daemon however the only advice I found was to kill it. Yes, kill it and re-launch it again to see what happens. Well, exactly what was to be expected -- one notification per application, nothing after that. Users shouldn't need to care about that queue thingies. If the daemon is up and running and notifications only come up once, something is wrong with it and as you are running sid, the possibilities of hitting some sort of bug increase. Hm. Judging from what I read yesterday, I'm not sure if it's actually a bug and not just notification-daemon's fault for depending on another application to manage the queue. In that case, wouldn't a bug report in Debian's bts be useless, i.e. just forwarded upstream? Anyway, you can also review your logs, just in case. What logs are those? .xsession-errors (nothing in there)? Thanks for your help, Tom -- np: Les Joyaux de la Princesse - Cantate de Travailleurs -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4faf9218.8070...@virta.be
Re: desktop notification gone
On Sun, 13 May 2012 12:51:04 +0200, Tom wrote: Hey Camaleón, First off, to my delight it is worked around by using XFCE's daemon, cf. Adrian's message. Yup, I already read that message :-) After quite a detour I learned it's likely/probably about the message queue not being flushed .. For notify-OSD and notification-daemon however the only advice I found was to kill it. Yes, kill it and re-launch it again to see what happens. Well, exactly what was to be expected -- one notification per application, nothing after that. Well, I get different notifications coming from aplications every time they need to tell me something not just one pop-up and nothing afterwards. At least this is the usual for GNOME. Users shouldn't need to care about that queue thingies. If the daemon is up and running and notifications only come up once, something is wrong with it and as you are running sid, the possibilities of hitting some sort of bug increase. Hm. Judging from what I read yesterday, I'm not sure if it's actually a bug and not just notification-daemon's fault for depending on another application to manage the queue. In that case, wouldn't a bug report in Debian's bts be useless, i.e. just forwarded upstream? In you're still interested on this, I'd first report it in Debian BTS, if it needs to be forwarded upstream, you will be told to do it so. Anyway, you can also review your logs, just in case. What logs are those? .xsession-errors (nothing in there)? Where the usual dbus and freedesktop logs usually go, i.e., /var/log/ daemon.log and /var/log/syslog are the ones I'd look at :-? Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/joo6co$dun$1...@dough.gmane.org
Re: desktop notification gone
On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 12:51:01PM +0200, Tom wrote: Hey Adrian, To anybody else reading this and not using Gnome or KDE, how does notification work for you? I use xfce4-notifyd from XFCE .. It also has a nice configuration utility: xfce4-notifyd-config. Works great so far (for at least 2 months); couldn't be happier. Works like a charm indeed. Thanks a bunch for returning my bubbles! :) I had no trouble with plain, old notify-osd in fvwm, but out of curiosity tried xfce4-notifyd anyway. Love that I can theme it and no longer have to strain to read black-on-white bubbles with a fixed size and typeface. It's a nice improvement. :) -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120513120729.GA13861@radhesyama
desktop notification gone
Hey all, My desktop has long stopped notifying me of things. I ignored it for a while, expecting it to fix itself, but it doesn't. I wasn't/am not quite sure about the relationship between the notification-daemon and notify-osd packages. The latter seems to be another implementation of the same freedesktop spec. In any case, I tried with both, to no avail. This is on sid. I mostly use Openbox, starting notification- and gnome-settings-daemon from .xinitrc. Oddly enough, all applications that ought to notify me (I only use three: my music player, Icedove, and Transmission) do so exactly one time after their start-up. When running Gnome everything's fine. I suppose that might mean I don't start some daemon I should (which then was probably introduced with Gnome 3), but notify-send just works. I hope it's no case of PEBKAC, but couldn't find any recent related bugs, and have no idea of how to go about finding out what's wrong. Perhaps somebody here could point me in some relevant direction? Kind regards, Tom -- np: Ryoji Ikeda - Space -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4fae4f24.90...@virta.be
Re: desktop notification gone
On 12.05.2012 13:53, Tom wrote: This is on sid. I mostly use Openbox, starting notification- and gnome-settings-daemon from .xinitrc. Oddly enough, all applications that ought to notify me (I only use three: my music player, Icedove, and Transmission) do so exactly one time after their start-up. When running Gnome everything's fine. I suppose that might mean I don't start some daemon I should (which then was probably introduced with Gnome 3), but notify-send just works. To show desktop notification, you need a notification service running. gnome-shell and KDE have one built-in and there is a standalone daemon called notification-daemon (which is used in GNOME 2 / GNOME 3 classic). Do you have a notification-daemon process running? If you start one manually via /usr/lib/notification-daemon/notification-daemon do you get any error messages? Michael -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: desktop notification gone
On 05/12/2012 02:26 PM, Michael Biebl wrote: This is on sid. I mostly use Openbox .. When running Gnome everything's fine. To show desktop notification, you need a notification service running. gnome-shell and KDE have one built-in and there is a standalone daemon called notification-daemon Hm, I had no idea gnome-shell KDE bring their own. Do you have a notification-daemon process running? If you start one manually via /usr/lib/notification-daemon/notification-daemon do you get any error messages? It is running. Since notify-send does its job, I assumed all was well, restarting the daemon confirms that (no errors/warnings). Just in case, other perhaps relevant daemons running with my user name are gnome-settings-daemon, gconfd-2, and dbus-daemon. Thanks for your reply, Tom -- np: Hermann Kopp - Venusberg -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4fae6b0a.6000...@virta.be
Re: desktop notification gone
On Sat, 12 May 2012 13:53:08 +0200, Tom wrote: My desktop has long stopped notifying me of things. I ignored it for a while, expecting it to fix itself, but it doesn't. I wasn't/am not quite sure about the relationship between the notification-daemon and notify-osd packages. The latter seems to be another implementation of the same freedesktop spec. In any case, I tried with both, to no avail. Yes, both applications share the same purpose though you only need one of them installed to get the notifications. But I think this has changed a bit since gnome-shell. In GNOME2 and GNOME3 (the latter with the classic desktop or fallback mode) notification-daemon is the default and also started on login but gnome-shell has its own notification server system aside from these two. notify-osd is an altaernative notification system in the line of notification-daemon, I mean, I don't know if it works inside a gnome- shell session with no previous tweking. This is on sid. I mostly use Openbox, starting notification- and gnome-settings-daemon from .xinitrc. Oddly enough, all applications that ought to notify me (I only use three: my music player, Icedove, and Transmission) do so exactly one time after their start-up. Check whether the notification-daemon is started after you login. When running Gnome everything's fine. I suppose that might mean I don't start some daemon I should (which then was probably introduced with Gnome 3), but notify-send just works. What GNOME? Fallback or shell? :-) I hope it's no case of PEBKAC, but couldn't find any recent related bugs, and have no idea of how to go about finding out what's wrong. Perhaps somebody here could point me in some relevant direction? You can also try the usual thing: create a new user, login and check if the notifications are working (configure first the startup daemon for notifications as needed). Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jom1j5$s0$1...@dough.gmane.org
Re: desktop notification gone
On 05/12/2012 06:02 PM, Camaleón wrote: Check whether the notification-daemon is started after you login. It is, I re-checked this afternoon for Michael already (and besides, notify-send does okay, which I guess it wouldn't without the daemon). When running Gnome everything's fine. What GNOME? Fallback or shell? :-) That'd be shell. I'm not sure what kind of smiley it really deserves though. :) You can also try the usual thing: create a new user, login and check if the notifications are working Nothing's different for the new user: everything notifies properly in Gnome, but only once in Openbox. Now, eh, I generally roll eyes when somebody starts answering to their own questions, but I couldn't help it. After quite a detour I learned it's likely/probably about the message queue not being flushed, but I didn't find a solution for that. Statnot [1] was referred to in the Arch forums because it has a QUEUE_NOTIFICATIONS config option. For notify-OSD and notification-daemon however the only advice I found was to kill it. The notification specification [2] mentions expire_timeout. If that is set to -1, the decision is left to the notification server. Since my music player does just that, I suppose notification-daemon is to blame. Sadly it isn't very configurable (not at all, as far as I'm aware). But then surely I shouldn't be the only one having this. To anybody else reading this and not using Gnome or KDE, how does notification work for you? Thanks, Tom [1] https://github.com/halhen/statnot [2] http://www.galago-project.org/specs/notification/ -- np: Alva Noto - module 9 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4faebcf8.9030...@virta.be
Re: desktop notification gone
On 12/05/12 22:41, Tom wrote: To anybody else reading this and not using Gnome or KDE, how does notification work for you? I use xfce4-notifyd from XFCE on Openbox as window manager. I start it from ~/.config/autostart/xfce4-notifyd.desktop (the package doesn't come with any .desktop file anywhere). It also has a nice configuration utility: xfce4-notifyd-config. Works great so far (for at least 2 months); couldn't be happier. -- Fita Adrian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4faed117.4010...@gmail.com
Re: desktop notification gone
On 13/05/12 00:07, Adrian Fita wrote: I start it from ~/.config/autostart/xfce4-notifyd.desktop (the package doesn't come with any .desktop file anywhere). Sorry, I forgot to attach the xfce4-notifyd.desktop file that I use: [Desktop Entry] Name=XFCE Notification Daemon Comment=Display notifications Exec=/usr/lib/xfce4/notifyd/xfce4-notifyd Terminal=false Type=Application NoDisplay=true OnlyShowIn=LXDE;OPENBOX;GNOME; AutostartCondition=GNOME3 unless-session gnome -- Fita Adrian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4faed2e1.7050...@gmail.com
