Re: filtering out ads
On Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 05:37:51PM -0500, John Hasler wrote: If we don't look at the ads the advertisers won't pay anyone to put them there and the sites will all go away. It will no doubt come as a shock to you to learn that there are Web sites that do not depend on banner ads for survival (www.debian.org, for example). In fact, I cannot think of a single banner-ad-dependent site that I would really miss. google also has no banner ads. (either that or they are so tasteful that i am not instantly annoyed by them like other sites) If your advertisers want me to look at their ads all they need to do is come up with content that interests me. So far none have. and present them in a reasonable fashion, the current trend of obnoxious, loud blinking, strobing animated ads is unnacceptable, it makes the page unusable/unreadable. (the privacy degradation attempts are also unacceptable) ask almost anyone who is or are planning to block ads why they are doing it and i bet you a quarter the above is the reason. maybe ad companies should take a hint? -- Ethan Benson http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/ pgpvKE9dlxyl6.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: filtering out ads
On Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 10:52:22PM -0800, Ethan Benson wrote: On Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 05:37:51PM -0500, John Hasler wrote: If your advertisers want me to look at their ads all they need to do is come up with content that interests me. So far none have. and present them in a reasonable fashion, the current trend of obnoxious, loud blinking, strobing animated ads is unnacceptable, it makes the page unusable/unreadable. (the privacy degradation attempts are also unacceptable) I can point to two specific ads which finally drove me to Junkbuster. One featured an animated cartoon that strobed at epilepsy-inducing frequencies, for a telco. The other was from a large hardware / software / consulting firm which ran Java -- very slowly, and frequently crashing my browser. I remember both firms and have negative associations with each for their banners. Thanks to both for my banner-free browsing. GAT - Gif Animation Toggle - is another great browsing plus. I find when I'm on a non-junkbustered, non-GAT'd browser, I'm overwhelmed by the crud filling the screen. -- Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~kmself Evangelist, Opensales, Inc.http://www.opensales.org What part of Gestalt don't you understand? Debian GNU/Linux rocks! http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/K5: http://www.kuro5hin.org GPG fingerprint: F932 8B25 5FDD 2528 D595 DC61 3847 889F 55F2 B9B0 pgpTNecHRnqBh.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: filtering out ads
Thanks to both for my banner-free browsing. GAT - Gif Animation Toggle - is another great browsing plus. Is there one of these for linux, or do you mean as a browser feature? so far, the only way I've encountered on linux is to edit the executable to change the name of the string that causes animation to something that will never be encountered. hawk --
Re: filtering out ads
On Thu, Aug 31, 2000 at 12:24:37PM -0400, hawk wrote: Thanks to both for my banner-free browsing. GAT - Gif Animation Toggle - is another great browsing plus. Is there one of these for linux, or do you mean as a browser feature? so far, the only way I've encountered on linux is to edit the executable to change the name of the string that causes animation to something that will never be encountered. GAT is a binary which does this edit for you. It toggles the state of the string. I found it after reading through the Junkbuster FAQ, which mentions animated gifs. I've used it on several versions of Netscape Navigator, and even Mozilla, though you have to run it on the gif object file, not the Mozilla binary itself. In Mozilla it affects *all* animated gifs, including several associated with the application GUI itself (load bar, logo/lizard animation, etc.). The hand edit is the equivalent. -- Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~kmself Evangelist, Opensales, Inc.http://www.opensales.org What part of Gestalt don't you understand? Debian GNU/Linux rocks! http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/K5: http://www.kuro5hin.org GPG fingerprint: F932 8B25 5FDD 2528 D595 DC61 3847 889F 55F2 B9B0 pgpdAdbvnc3LC.pgp Description: PGP signature
filtering out ads
Interested in hearing different strategies for blocking ads. Presently I use a mixture of input-chain firewall rules and redirection in my /etc/hosts file. Since I'm running DNS for my LAN, is there a way to set it up to block ads? Also, there's one ad system I haven't figured out how to block: I've seen many ads that have URLs ads.admonitor.net but nslookup claims this is a nonexiststant host/network, so I can't add it to my firewalling rules. Any ideas? Thanks much! oge - Owen G. Emry Custom Palm OS development services [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: filtering out ads
Hi, On Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 12:33:21PM -0400, Owen G. Emry wrote: Interested in hearing different strategies for blocking ads. Presently I use a mixture of input-chain firewall rules and redirection in my /etc/hosts file. Since I'm running DNS for my LAN, is there a way to set it up to block ads? Also, there's one ad system I haven't figured out how to block: I've seen many ads that have URLs ads.admonitor.net but nslookup claims this is a nonexiststant host/network, so I can't add it to my firewalling rules. Any ideas? Check out junkbuster: Package: junkbuster Version: 2.0-7.1 Priority: optional Section: web Maintainer: Paul Haggart [EMAIL PROTECTED] Depends: libc6 (= 2.1.2), dpkg (=1.4.1.17) Suggests: www-browser Architecture: i386 Filename: dists/stable/main/binary-i386/web/junkbuster_2.0-7.1.deb Size: 86966 MD5sum: 32154c5802ede1ba033d6217c38f2a9d Description: The Internet Junkbuster! Junkbuster is an instrumentable proxy that filters the HTTP stream between web servers and browsers. It can prevent ads and other unwanted junk from appearing in your web browser. installed-size: 237 I've installed it, but not yet adjusted the configuration. HTH. -- David Karlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Powered by Debian GNU/Linux
Re: filtering out ads
Hi Owen! Why don't you use junkbuster as filtering proxy? There you'll have a blockfile that works with regular expressions (ad*.*.* for example): dpkg -s junkbuster: Package: junkbuster Status: install ok installed Priority: optional Section: web Installed-Size: 284 Maintainer: Paul Haggart [EMAIL PROTECTED] Version: 2.0.2-0.1 Depends: libc6 (= 2.1.2), dpkg (= 1.4.1.17), logrotate Description: The Internet Junkbuster! Junkbuster is an instrumentable proxy that filters the HTTP stream between web servers and browsers. It can prevent ads and other unwanted junk from appearing in your web browser. MH Interested in hearing different strategies for blocking ads. Presently I use a mixture of input-chain firewall rules and redirection in my /etc/hosts file. Since I'm running DNS for my LAN, is there a way to set it up to block ads? Also, there's one ad system I haven't figured out how to block: I've seen many ads that have URLs ads.admonitor.net but nslookup claims this is a nonexiststant host/network, so I can't add it to my firewalling rules. Any ideas? Thanks much! oge - Owen G. Emry Custom Palm OS development services [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- (Dr.) Michael Hummel mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fprint = F24D EAC6 E3D7 372C 9122 D510 EB24 01CA 0B56 B518 key: http://www.seitung.net/key pgpEnKQmqRLql.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: filtering out ads
Of course this is really a very good idea if you don't actually want to use the internet. If we don't look at the ads the advertisers won't pay anyone to put them there and the sites will all go away. Jeff David Karlin wrote: Hi, On Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 12:33:21PM -0400, Owen G. Emry wrote: Interested in hearing different strategies for blocking ads. Presently I use a mixture of input-chain firewall rules and redirection in my /etc/hosts file. Since I'm running DNS for my LAN, is there a way to set it up to block ads? Also, there's one ad system I haven't figured out how to block: I've seen many ads that have URLs ads.admonitor.net but nslookup claims this is a nonexiststant host/network, so I can't add it to my firewalling rules. Any ideas? Check out junkbuster: Package: junkbuster Version: 2.0-7.1 Priority: optional Section: web Maintainer: Paul Haggart [EMAIL PROTECTED] Depends: libc6 (= 2.1.2), dpkg (=1.4.1.17) Suggests: www-browser Architecture: i386 Filename: dists/stable/main/binary-i386/web/junkbuster_2.0-7.1.deb Size: 86966 MD5sum: 32154c5802ede1ba033d6217c38f2a9d Description: The Internet Junkbuster! Junkbuster is an instrumentable proxy that filters the HTTP stream between web servers and browsers. It can prevent ads and other unwanted junk from appearing in your web browser. installed-size: 237 I've installed it, but not yet adjusted the configuration. HTH. -- David Karlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Powered by Debian GNU/Linux -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: filtering out ads
David dithered, On Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 12:33:21PM -0400, Owen G. Emry wrote: Interested in hearing different strategies for blocking ads. Presently I use a mixture of input-chain firewall rules and redirection in my /etc/hosts file. Since I'm running DNS for my LAN, is there a way to set it up to block ads? Also, there's one ad system I haven't figured out how to block: I've seen many ads that have URLs ads.admonitor.net but nslookup claims this is a nonexiststant host/network, so I can't add it to my firewalling rules. Any ideas? Check out junkbuster: I've installed it, but not yet adjusted the configuration. I added a group junkbuster, then made /etc/junkbuster and it's contents a member with g+rwx permissions. An alias vj then edits the junkbuster settings from my user account. Quite simply, when something blinks at me, I grab the url of the offendingimage, and ad part of its address (hopefully enough to block similar schemes) to the blockfile. I don't block ads, but rather annoying blinking things, or things that take so long to load that they hold up page rendering (generally ads from overwhelmed servers). It's also great for dealing with cookies. You can specifiy which domains *are* allowed to set cookies. hawk --
Re: filtering out ads
On Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 12:33:21PM -0400, Owen G. Emry wrote: SNIP Also, there's one ad system I haven't figured out how to block: I've seen many ads that have URLs ads.admonitor.net but nslookup claims this is a nonexiststant host/network, so I can't add it to my firewalling rules. Any ideas? SNIP Interesting - earlier today, ads.admonitor.net successfully resolved to 64.70.21.70 for me. Just tried it again and got the Non-existent host/domain. hehe. [-_]
Re: filtering out ads
On 30-Aug-2000 hawk wrote: It's also great for dealing with cookies. You can specifiy which domains *are* allowed to set cookies. I don't mind ads, but I resent cookies very much, so I use Junkbuster. Every once in a while I do find that I have cookies from disallowed sites. -- Andrew
Re: filtering out ads
Jeff Green writes: Of course this is really a very good idea if you don't actually want to use the internet. The Web is not the Net. If we don't look at the ads the advertisers won't pay anyone to put them there and the sites will all go away. It will no doubt come as a shock to you to learn that there are Web sites that do not depend on banner ads for survival (www.debian.org, for example). In fact, I cannot think of a single banner-ad-dependent site that I would really miss. If your advertisers want me to look at their ads all they need to do is come up with content that interests me. So far none have. -- John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler) Dancing Horse Hill Elmwood, WI
