Re: gedit ugly under xfce

2014-07-18 Thread Steve Litt
On Thu, 17 Jul 2014 19:39:41 + (UTC)
Juan R. de Silva juan.r.d.si...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Thu, 17 Jul 2014 11:26:38 -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
 
  On Wed, 16 Jul 2014 21:43:00 + (UTC)
  Juan R. de Silva juan.r.d.si...@gmail.com wrote:
  
  
  BTW, about bupsky script you shared with me... It's very nice
  while working with files in console, like using vim, or nano, or
  anything like this. I do most of my file editing work in GUI
  editors. So, in this case it's not very helpfull. Right? Or I'm
  missing something?
  
  Just keep a terminal, cd'd to the directory of your project, on a
  workspace (usually numbered 1 to 8). Every time you hit a milestone,
  deliverable, or every hour, just go to that workspace, type the word
  bupsky, and you're done. Elapsed time, 20 seconds. Time saved if
  something goes wrong: hours.
  
  By the way, most of my editing is done in gvim, so I'm the same as
  you.
 
 Yesterday I installed gvim too. It was quite a logical choice, I
 guess. 
 
 20 secs vs. hours definitely win. :-) Thanks again.

:-) Yeah, but with gvim as well as whatever editor you were using
before, you still need to use bupsky or something like it, every time
you hit a milestone or once per hour, whichever is less.

Personally, I love gvim. If you're a touch typist and you feel the need
for speed, Vim and gvim are where it's at.

SteveT 


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Re: gedit ugly under xfce

2014-07-17 Thread Steve Litt
On Wed, 16 Jul 2014 21:43:00 + (UTC)
Juan R. de Silva juan.r.d.si...@gmail.com wrote:


 BTW, about bupsky script you shared with me... It's very nice while 
 working with files in console, like using vim, or nano, or anything
 like this. I do most of my file editing work in GUI editors. So, in
 this case it's not very helpfull. Right? Or I'm missing something?

Just keep a terminal, cd'd to the directory of your project, on a
workspace (usually numbered 1 to 8). Every time you hit a milestone,
deliverable, or every hour, just go to that workspace, type the word
bupsky, and you're done. Elapsed time, 20 seconds. Time saved if
something goes wrong: hours.

By the way, most of my editing is done in gvim, so I'm the same as you.

Steve

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Re: gedit ugly under xfce

2014-07-17 Thread Juan R. de Silva
On Thu, 17 Jul 2014 11:26:38 -0400, Steve Litt wrote:

 On Wed, 16 Jul 2014 21:43:00 + (UTC)
 Juan R. de Silva juan.r.d.si...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 BTW, about bupsky script you shared with me... It's very nice while
 working with files in console, like using vim, or nano, or anything
 like this. I do most of my file editing work in GUI editors. So, in
 this case it's not very helpfull. Right? Or I'm missing something?
 
 Just keep a terminal, cd'd to the directory of your project, on a
 workspace (usually numbered 1 to 8). Every time you hit a milestone,
 deliverable, or every hour, just go to that workspace, type the word
 bupsky, and you're done. Elapsed time, 20 seconds. Time saved if
 something goes wrong: hours.
 
 By the way, most of my editing is done in gvim, so I'm the same as you.

Yesterday I installed gvim too. It was quite a logical choice, I guess. 

20 secs vs. hours definitely win. :-) Thanks again.


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Re: gedit ugly under xfce

2014-07-16 Thread Juan R. de Silva
On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 20:29:56 -0400, Steve Litt wrote:

 Turns out it didn't eat it, it just made characters invisible. Here's
 the start of the thread:
 
 https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-users/2014-July/007303.html
 

I confirm this. Here's my post about it on that thread:

https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-users/2014-July/007320.html

Though I spent quit a bit of time to figure it out. Well, plus a bit of 
frustration thinking the file was lost. But... At the end there was a 
Happy End. :-)

Nevertheless, I did not neither Mousepad nor Leafpad and with some help 
found a very good substitution for both - Pluma a default MATE text 
editor, a fork from venerable GNOME2 gedit. Looks excellent in XFCE.

Another one I installed and I like it is Geany. But this one is for more 
serious work.  


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Re: gedit ugly under xfce

2014-07-16 Thread Steve Litt
On Wed, 16 Jul 2014 20:39:56 + (UTC)
Juan R. de Silva juan.r.d.si...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 20:29:56 -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
 
  Turns out it didn't eat it, it just made characters invisible.
  Here's the start of the thread:
  
  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-users/2014-July/007303.html
  
 
 I confirm this. Here's my post about it on that thread:
 
 https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-users/2014-July/007320.html
 
 Though I spent quit a bit of time to figure it out. Well, plus a bit
 of frustration thinking the file was lost. But... At the end there
 was a Happy End. :-)
 
 Nevertheless, I did not neither Mousepad nor Leafpad and with some
 help found a very good substitution for both - Pluma a default MATE
 text editor, a fork from venerable GNOME2 gedit. Looks excellent in
 XFCE.
 
 Another one I installed and I like it is Geany. But this one is for
 more serious work.  

:-) Juan, a happy ending *this time*. Can I safely assume that from now
on you'll be backing up your work, right? :-) 

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Re: gedit ugly under xfce

2014-07-16 Thread Juan R. de Silva
On Wed, 16 Jul 2014 17:15:36 -0400, Steve Litt wrote:

 On Wed, 16 Jul 2014 20:39:56 + (UTC)
 Juan R. de Silva juan.r.d.si...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 20:29:56 -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
 
  Turns out it didn't eat it, it just made characters invisible. Here's
  the start of the thread:
  
  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-users/2014-July/007303.html
  
  
 I confirm this. Here's my post about it on that thread:
 
 https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-users/2014-July/007320.html
 
 Though I spent quit a bit of time to figure it out. Well, plus a bit of
 frustration thinking the file was lost. But... At the end there was a
 Happy End. :-)
 
 Nevertheless, I did not neither Mousepad nor Leafpad and with some help
 found a very good substitution for both - Pluma a default MATE text
 editor, a fork from venerable GNOME2 gedit. Looks excellent in XFCE.
 
 Another one I installed and I like it is Geany. But this one is for
 more serious work.
 
 :-) Juan, a happy ending *this time*. Can I safely assume that from now
 on you'll be backing up your work, right? :-)
 
 SteveT
 
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It's a difficult question?.. :-) Well, I mean I always do regular 
backups. Up to date I was making them daily, weekly, and biweekly. I use 
rsync based script to make snapshot-style backups. As it appears from my 
last experience daily is not enough. Should I make them hourly, half-
hourly?.. May I leave the last sentence endlessly open? :-)

All we can do is trying to minimize the loss. However some kind of loss 
is unavoidable if an app misbehaves so badly as it happened in my case.

BTW, about bupsky script you shared with me... It's very nice while 
working with files in console, like using vim, or nano, or anything like 
this. I do most of my file editing work in GUI editors. So, in this case 
it's not very helpfull. Right? Or I'm missing something?


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gedit ugly under xfce

2014-07-15 Thread Bzzzz
sid 64bits
XFCE
gedit
==

Hi list,

I'm using 

When I launch gedit, it just have ugly upper and lower
gray bars (with controls  information), but no XFCE
decoration, especially the close/minimize buttons (and
no upper bar from the theme).

grdestop has XFCE decoration.

Is it normal or do I miss some pkg(s)|setup?

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Re: gedit ugly under xfce

2014-07-15 Thread Frank McCormick

On 07/15/2014 01:46 PM, B wrote:

sid 64bits
XFCE
gedit
==

Hi list,

I'm using

When I launch gedit, it just have ugly upper and lower
gray bars (with controls  information), but no XFCE
decoration, especially the close/minimize buttons (and
no upper bar from the theme).

grdestop has XFCE decoration.

Is it normal or do I miss some pkg(s)|setup?




  I suffer the same thing with GThumb - so I don't think you're missing 
anything. I was told sometime ago on this list it's the wave of the 
future . I believe it's connected to GTK 3 somehow.



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Re: gedit ugly under xfce

2014-07-15 Thread Bzzzz
On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 14:28:58 -0400
Frank McCormick debianl...@videotron.ca wrote:

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Re: gedit ugly under xfce

2014-07-15 Thread Reco
 Hi.

On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 07:46:07PM +0200, B wrote:
 When I launch gedit, it just have ugly upper and lower
 gray bars (with controls  information), but no XFCE
 decoration, especially the close/minimize buttons (and
 no upper bar from the theme).
 
 grdestop has XFCE decoration.
 
 Is it normal or do I miss some pkg(s)|setup?

This is … an expected behaviour from any GTK+3 application launched
outside of GNOME. Googling 'GTK3 client-side decorations' will provide
you with all the gory details.

Upstream sees this misfeature as a best thing since buttered bread was
invented [1].
Users thoughts on the matter, are … well, let's sum it up as 'needs some
work' - [2].

Reco

[1] http://blogs.gnome.org/mclasen/2014/01/13/client-side-decorations-continued/

[2] http://redmine.audacious-media-player.org/boards/1/topics/1135


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Re: gedit ugly under xfce

2014-07-15 Thread Bzzzz
On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 22:34:18 +0400
Reco recovery...@gmail.com wrote:

 This is … an expected behaviour from any GTK+3 application launched
 outside of GNOME. Googling 'GTK3 client-side decorations' will
 provide you with all the gory details.

That was my conclusion from Franck post (and also checked on
a 32bits machine: ze same)
 
 Upstream sees this misfeature as a best thing since buttered bread
 was invented [1].
 Users thoughts on the matter, are … well, let's sum it up as
 'needs some work' - [2].

I think I could suggest another use of the butter for
those creeps…

Too bad, I loved gedit; any suggestion about quite the
same editor w/o uglyness?

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Re: gedit ugly under xfce

2014-07-15 Thread lostson
Geany works quite nice or there is always gvim.



On 07/15/2014 01:47 PM, B wrote:
 On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 22:34:18 +0400
 Reco recovery...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 This is … an expected behaviour from any GTK+3 application launched
 outside of GNOME. Googling 'GTK3 client-side decorations' will
 provide you with all the gory details.
 
 That was my conclusion from Franck post (and also checked on
 a 32bits machine: ze same)
  
 Upstream sees this misfeature as a best thing since buttered bread
 was invented [1].
 Users thoughts on the matter, are … well, let's sum it up as
 'needs some work' - [2].
 
 I think I could suggest another use of the butter for
 those creeps…
 
 Too bad, I loved gedit; any suggestion about quite the
 same editor w/o uglyness?
 



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Re: gedit ugly under xfce

2014-07-15 Thread Bzzzz
On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 13:49:09 -0500
lostson lost...@lostsonsvault.org wrote:

 Geany works quite nice or there is always gvim.

No bad at all, thanks.

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Re: gedit ugly under xfce

2014-07-15 Thread Bret Busby
On 16/07/2014, Reco recovery...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hi.

 On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 07:46:07PM +0200, B wrote:
 When I launch gedit, it just have ugly upper and lower
 gray bars (with controls  information), but no XFCE
 decoration, especially the close/minimize buttons (and
 no upper bar from the theme).

 grdestop has XFCE decoration.

 Is it normal or do I miss some pkg(s)|setup?

 This is … an expected behaviour from any GTK+3 application launched
 outside of GNOME. Googling 'GTK3 client-side decorations' will provide
 you with all the gory details.

 Upstream sees this misfeature as a best thing since buttered bread was
 invented [1].
 Users thoughts on the matter, are … well, let's sum it up as 'needs some
 work' - [2].

 Reco

 [1]
 http://blogs.gnome.org/mclasen/2014/01/13/client-side-decorations-continued/

 [2] http://redmine.audacious-media-player.org/boards/1/topics/1135



It all sounds like even more encouragement to stick with Debian 6, and GNOME2.

Perhaps, that was the objective...

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Re: gedit ugly under xfce

2014-07-15 Thread Erwan David
Le 15/07/2014 21:36, Bret Busby a écrit :
 On 16/07/2014, Reco recovery...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hi.

 On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 07:46:07PM +0200, B wrote:
 When I launch gedit, it just have ugly upper and lower
 gray bars (with controls  information), but no XFCE
 decoration, especially the close/minimize buttons (and
 no upper bar from the theme).

 grdestop has XFCE decoration.

 Is it normal or do I miss some pkg(s)|setup?
 This is … an expected behaviour from any GTK+3 application launched
 outside of GNOME. Googling 'GTK3 client-side decorations' will provide
 you with all the gory details.

 Upstream sees this misfeature as a best thing since buttered bread was
 invented [1].
 Users thoughts on the matter, are … well, let's sum it up as 'needs some
 work' - [2].

 Reco

 [1]
 http://blogs.gnome.org/mclasen/2014/01/13/client-side-decorations-continued/

 [2] http://redmine.audacious-media-player.org/boards/1/topics/1135


 It all sounds like even more encouragement to stick with Debian 6, and GNOME2.

 Perhaps, that was the objective...

I would say to use something else than gnome There are several
alternatives.


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Re: gedit ugly under xfce

2014-07-15 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 2:47 PM, B lazyvi...@gmx.com wrote:
 On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 22:34:18 +0400
 Reco recovery...@gmail.com wrote:

 This is … an expected behaviour from any GTK+3 application launched
 outside of GNOME. Googling 'GTK3 client-side decorations' will
 provide you with all the gory details.

 That was my conclusion from Franck post (and also checked on
 a 32bits machine: ze same)

 Upstream sees this misfeature as a best thing since buttered bread
 was invented [1].
 Users thoughts on the matter, are … well, let's sum it up as
 'needs some work' - [2].

 I think I could suggest another use of the butter for
 those creeps…

 Too bad, I loved gedit; any suggestion about quite the
 same editor w/o uglyness?

Doesn't Mate have a gedit fork?

If you're not averse to rebuilding gedit, Ubuntu might have a patch
that you could cherry-pick and apply.


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Re: gedit ugly under xfce

2014-07-15 Thread Go Linux


On Tue, 7/15/14, B lazyvi...@gmx.com wrote:

 Subject: Re: gedit ugly under xfce
 To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
 Date: Tuesday, July 15, 2014, 1:47 PM

 
Too bad, I loved gedit; any suggestion about quite the
same editor w/o uglyness?

With my wheezy xfce, I use mate-text-editor (pluma) from the mate project which 
is a port of the old GTK2 gedit .  Solves the ugliness problem and is oh so 
familiar . .  .

Copying to you Buzz, because my posts from yahoo do not always get through.


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Re: gedit ugly under xfce

2014-07-15 Thread Bret Busby
On 16/07/2014, Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org wrote:
 Le 15/07/2014 21:36, Bret Busby a écrit :
 On 16/07/2014, Reco recovery...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hi.

 On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 07:46:07PM +0200, B wrote:
 When I launch gedit, it just have ugly upper and lower
 gray bars (with controls  information), but no XFCE
 decoration, especially the close/minimize buttons (and
 no upper bar from the theme).

 grdestop has XFCE decoration.

 Is it normal or do I miss some pkg(s)|setup?
 This is … an expected behaviour from any GTK+3 application launched
 outside of GNOME. Googling 'GTK3 client-side decorations' will provide
 you with all the gory details.

 Upstream sees this misfeature as a best thing since buttered bread was
 invented [1].
 Users thoughts on the matter, are … well, let's sum it up as 'needs some
 work' - [2].

 Reco

 [1]
 http://blogs.gnome.org/mclasen/2014/01/13/client-side-decorations-continued/

 [2] http://redmine.audacious-media-player.org/boards/1/topics/1135


 It all sounds like even more encouragement to stick with Debian 6, and
 GNOME2.

 Perhaps, that was the objective...

 I would say to use something else than gnome There are several
 alternatives.



I have tried xfce, on Debian 7.5, and, do not like it. It appears to
not have the fiunctionality for modifying the desktop layout as shown
in the version of xfce for PC-BSD 210.0.2 - see
http://wiki.pcbsd.org/index.php/XFCE4/10.0 , where provision is
provided, for the Migrate old config option, which was greyed out,
in the Debian 7.5 implementation of xfce.

I could not (yet) get a workable LIVE  disc of lxde on Debian 7.5
i386, to examine on my old Celeron laptop (HP/Compaq NX5000), so I am
waiting for Debian 7.6 LIVE iso's to be available. I am not sure
whether I can download and install LXDE on my Debian 7.5 amd64 system
that already has XFCE installed; my understanding is that, with PC-BSD
10.0.x, a person can have multiple desktop environments installed,
and, select one of them, to use, when logging in as a user, but, I do
not know whether that applies in Debian Linux.


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Re: gedit ugly under xfce

2014-07-15 Thread Bret Busby
On 16/07/2014, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 2:47 PM, B lazyvi...@gmx.com wrote:
 On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 22:34:18 +0400
 Reco recovery...@gmail.com wrote:

 This is … an expected behaviour from any GTK+3 application launched
 outside of GNOME. Googling 'GTK3 client-side decorations' will
 provide you with all the gory details.

 That was my conclusion from Franck post (and also checked on
 a 32bits machine: ze same)

 Upstream sees this misfeature as a best thing since buttered bread
 was invented [1].
 Users thoughts on the matter, are … well, let's sum it up as
 'needs some work' - [2].

 I think I could suggest another use of the butter for
 those creeps…

 Too bad, I loved gedit; any suggestion about quite the
 same editor w/o uglyness?

 Doesn't Mate have a gedit fork?



At http://mate-desktop.org/ is


Pluma

Pluma is a text editor which supports most standard editor features.
It also extends this basic functionality with other features not
usually found in simple text editors. Pluma is a graphical application
which supports editing multiple text files in one window (known
sometimes as tabs or MDI). Pluma fully supports international text
through its use of the Unicode UTF-8 encoding in edited files. Its
core feature set includes syntax highlighting of source code, auto
indentation, and printing support (with print preview). Pluma is a
fork of Gedit.


My understanding of a problem with the Mate desktop environment, is
that appliactions have Spanish names, rather than English (or, kind of
English, insofar as gedit is kind of English) names, like Caja, Atril,
Engrampa, etc.

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Re: gedit ugly under xfce

2014-07-15 Thread Steve Litt
On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 22:34:18 +0400
Reco recovery...@gmail.com wrote:

  Hi.
 
 On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 07:46:07PM +0200, B wrote:
  When I launch gedit, it just have ugly upper and lower
  gray bars (with controls  information), but no XFCE
  decoration, especially the close/minimize buttons (and
  no upper bar from the theme).
  
  grdestop has XFCE decoration.
  
  Is it normal or do I miss some pkg(s)|setup?
 
 This is … an expected behaviour from any GTK+3 application launched
 outside of GNOME. Googling 'GTK3 client-side decorations' will provide
 you with all the gory details.

There are so many great window manager/desktop environments (WM/DE). I
used Xfce for years, love it, but yeah, it has a few deficiencies.
Start by trying LXDE. I think it's better than Xfce in every respect
except difficulty with multiple panels, and the slow mouse.

Openbox is great if you don't need a panel. dwm and I3 are wonderful if
you like slim tiled interfaces. If pretty is what you want, why not use
Gnome3? Yeah, it's a whole different kind of animal, but I've seen it
used by a guy who understood how to use it, and it can be very
productive and very pretty.

You know, so many people believe that the distro and WM/DE are a
package deal, which is why everyone fled Ubuntu after Unity. There are
zillions of outstanding WM/DEs to pick from, no matter what distro you
choose.

SteveT

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Re: gedit ugly under xfce

2014-07-15 Thread José Silva

On 15/07/14 21:03, Bret Busby wrote:

Pluma

Pluma is a text editor which supports most standard editor features.


What's wrong with xfce mousepad?




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Re: gedit ugly under xfce

2014-07-15 Thread Steve Litt
On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 22:00:34 +0100
José Silva jsantossi...@hotmail.com wrote:

 On 15/07/14 21:03, Bret Busby wrote:
  Pluma
 
  Pluma is a text editor which supports most standard editor features.
 
 What's wrong with xfce mousepad?

Just the other day it ate someones whole file. I think that was
reported on this mailing list.

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Re: gedit ugly under xfce

2014-07-15 Thread José Silva

On 15/07/14 23:11, Steve Litt wrote:

On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 22:00:34 +0100
José Silva jsantossi...@hotmail.com wrote:


On 15/07/14 21:03, Bret Busby wrote:

Pluma

Pluma is a text editor which supports most standard editor features.


What's wrong with xfce mousepad?


Just the other day it ate someones whole file. I think that was
reported on this mailing list.



The version I have installed for several years never ate anything, I 
guess I feed it enough :)



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Re: gedit ugly under xfce

2014-07-15 Thread Steve Litt
On Wed, 16 Jul 2014 00:38:14 +0100
José Silva jsantossi...@hotmail.com wrote:

 On 15/07/14 23:11, Steve Litt wrote:
  On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 22:00:34 +0100
  José Silva jsantossi...@hotmail.com wrote:
 
  On 15/07/14 21:03, Bret Busby wrote:
  Pluma
 
  Pluma is a text editor which supports most standard editor
  features.
 
  What's wrong with xfce mousepad?
 
  Just the other day it ate someones whole file. I think that was
  reported on this mailing list.
 
 
 The version I have installed for several years never ate anything, I 
 guess I feed it enough :)
 
 

Turns out it didn't eat it, it just made characters invisible. Here's
the start of the thread:

https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-users/2014-July/007303.html


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