Re: grammar tool in linux ... perhaps in emacs
On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 12:30:13PM -0500, John Hasler wrote: -HS writes: I was wondering what choices do we have to check English grammar in Linux. IIRC there used to be such a program in BSD. ...that such a tool aids in catching silly mistakes and helps significantly in proof reading. Copy editing, not proof reading. The latter involves comparing a proof copy to a manuscript and noting all deviations. It's pretty much obsolete for obvious reasons. So remember to correct your teacher when they say, Get someone to proof read your work! This is like a dog's breakfast! -- Chris. == I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours. -- Sir Stephen Henry Roberts -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: grammar tool in linux ... perhaps in emacs
On Wed, 10 Sep 2008 04:11:24 + (UTC) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -HS writes: I was wondering what choices do we have to check English grammar in Linux. I think abiword has a grammar checker, from the abiword-plugins package. It merely highlights suspected grammar errors, and does not give explanations in the same way as WordPerfect's Grammatik does, though. I just discovered LanguageTool (languagetool.org), and am downloading 0.9.2 (for OOo-2.4) to see if it works. Mark -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: grammar tool in linux ... perhaps in emacs
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 02:06, David Baron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 09 September 2008 22:47:14 debian-user-digest- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: well i know just queequeg, which works with the console... i once made a small tutorial for making it work for a professor, so maybe you can do something with it! http://www.gallois.com.br/blog/2008/07/30/grammar-checker-on-linux-with-que equeg/ The link on this tutorial is not current. Get the whole thing from: queequeg.sourceforge.net/index-e.htm -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] since queequeg was discontinued, i felt free to host the file as well, maybe someone find it useful i linked the sourceforge site, it was just a tip sorry if someone got offended, it was by no means my intention ;) -- gallois aka Felipe Gallois website: www.gallois.com.br blog: www.gallois.com.br/blog fanglib homepage: www.gallois.com.br/fanglib
Re: grammar tool in linux ... perhaps in emacs
David Baron wrote: On Tuesday 09 September 2008 22:47:14 debian-user-digest- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: well i know just queequeg, which works with the console... i once made a small tutorial for making it work for a professor, so maybe you can do something with it! http://www.gallois.com.br/blog/2008/07/30/grammar-checker-on-linux-with-que equeg/ The link on this tutorial is not current. Get the whole thing from: queequeg.sourceforge.net/index-e.htm Missing an l at the end there. The following works. http://queequeg.sourceforge.net/index-e.html So, I gather diction is more to deal with style of writing and queequeg appears to be the nearest to a grammar tool we have for now in Linux. Then there is the java based spell checker for openoffice.org but the last time I tried it didn't really impress me at all. I think I am going to give queequeg a try. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: grammar tool in linux ... perhaps in emacs
John Hasler wrote: -HS writes: I was wondering what choices do we have to check English grammar in Linux. IIRC there used to be such a program in BSD. ...that such a tool aids in catching silly mistakes and helps significantly in proof reading. Copy editing, not proof reading. The latter involves comparing a proof copy to a manuscript and noting all deviations. It's pretty much obsolete for obvious reasons. Ah! Thanks for the clarification. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: grammar tool in linux ... perhaps in emacs
gary turner wrote: Going back to DOS, I had (and still have on an old Win98 box) an app called RightWriter, which applied the rules from Strunk White's /Elements of Style/. It even came with a copy of the book, and each comment referenced the rule by number. It was/is superior to Grammatik (sp?), a real PoS, and another major player of the time, whose name I can't remember. RightWriter was published by Prentiss-Hall. I made inquiries regarding new versions or availability of the source. They were met with silence. A damned shame, as porting a DOS program to Linux ought to be fairly straight forward, and RightWriter would be worth the effort. cheers, gary I came across this comparison of some grammar checkers. It is quite informative and also very insightful with very interesting discussion about the freeze in development in grammar checkers since MS came in to the field: http://papyr.com/hypertextbooks/grammar/gramchek.htm I tried queequeg. I haven't tested on my own prose, but it has failed to detect double words in my little test. Those were, however, caught by diction. The other tools that appears to be somewhat interesting is LanguageTool. It can be run as a stand alone application (Java) or as OOo extension. The most recent version, however, is only for OOo 3.0 which is expected to be released in some weeks' time. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
grammar tool in linux ... perhaps in emacs
Hello, I hope I do not start a flame war here. I was wondering what choices do we have to check English grammar in Linux. Now before all the purists jump to get their shotguns, pitch forks and what not, I perfectly know that such a tool is not a substitute for learning proper grammar. What such fanatics miss, IMHO, is that such a tool aids in catching silly mistakes and helps significantly in proof reading. So, having said this, I am curious if we have a grammar checker in Linux which can be used with text editors. The most common scenario for me would be if there is a package for emacs that works with LaTeX (well, since emacs can do everything, I guess this should not be too much to ask for ;) ). Thanks in advance. -HS -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: grammar tool in linux ... perhaps in emacs
On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 13:14, H.S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I hope I do not start a flame war here. I was wondering what choices do we have to check English grammar in Linux. Now before all the purists jump to get their shotguns, pitch forks and what not, I perfectly know that such a tool is not a substitute for learning proper grammar. What such fanatics miss, IMHO, is that such a tool aids in catching silly mistakes and helps significantly in proof reading. So, having said this, I am curious if we have a grammar checker in Linux which can be used with text editors. The most common scenario for me would be if there is a package for emacs that works with LaTeX (well, since emacs can do everything, I guess this should not be too much to ask for ;) ). Thanks in advance. -HS -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] well i know just queequeg, which works with the console... i once made a small tutorial for making it work for a professor, so maybe you can do something with it! http://www.gallois.com.br/blog/2008/07/30/grammar-checker-on-linux-with-queequeg/ cheers -- gallois aka Felipe Gallois website: www.gallois.com.br blog: www.gallois.com.br/blog fanglib homepage: www.gallois.com.br/fanglib
Re: grammar tool in linux ... perhaps in emacs
H.S. wrote: Hello, I hope I do not start a flame war here. I was wondering what choices do we have to check English grammar in Linux. Now before all the purists jump to get their shotguns, pitch forks and what not, I perfectly know that such a tool is not a substitute for learning proper grammar. What such fanatics miss, IMHO, is that such a tool aids in catching silly mistakes and helps significantly in proof reading. So, having said this, I am curious if we have a grammar checker in Linux which can be used with text editors. The most common scenario for me would be if there is a package for emacs that works with LaTeX (well, since emacs can do everything, I guess this should not be too much to ask for ;) ). Well the last time I saw a grammar checker on a computer was in the days of wordstar and dos 3.1, to call it crap would be an insult to crap. I have no idea where it got it's rules from but it certainly did not correspond to any form of english grammar, from either side of the atlantic that I have ever come across. I have never seen anything since. -- Martin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: grammar tool in linux ... perhaps in emacs
On 09/09/08 13:47, Martin Smith wrote: H.S. wrote: Hello, I hope I do not start a flame war here. I was wondering what choices do we have to check English grammar in Linux. Now before all the purists jump to get their shotguns, pitch forks and what not, I perfectly know that such a tool is not a substitute for learning proper grammar. What such fanatics miss, IMHO, is that such a tool aids in catching silly mistakes and helps significantly in proof reading. So, having said this, I am curious if we have a grammar checker in Linux which can be used with text editors. The most common scenario for me would be if there is a package for emacs that works with LaTeX (well, since emacs can do everything, I guess this should not be too much to ask for ;) ). Well the last time I saw a grammar checker on a computer was in the days of wordstar and dos 3.1, to call it crap would be an insult to crap. I have no idea where it got it's rules from but it certainly did not correspond to any form of english grammar, from either side of the atlantic that I have ever come across. I have never seen anything since. MS Word has a decent-but-bland grammar checker. -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Do not bite at the bait of pleasure till you know there is no hook beneath it. -- Thomas Jefferson -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: grammar tool in linux ... perhaps in emacs
Martin Smith wrote: H.S. wrote: Hello, I hope I do not start a flame war here. I was wondering what choices do we have to check English grammar in Linux. snip Well the last time I saw a grammar checker on a computer was in the days of wordstar and dos 3.1, to call it crap would be an insult to crap. I have no idea where it got it's rules from but it certainly did not correspond to any form of english grammar, from either side of the atlantic that I have ever come across. I have never seen anything since. Going back to DOS, I had (and still have on an old Win98 box) an app called RightWriter, which applied the rules from Strunk White's /Elements of Style/. It even came with a copy of the book, and each comment referenced the rule by number. It was/is superior to Grammatik (sp?), a real PoS, and another major player of the time, whose name I can't remember. RightWriter was published by Prentiss-Hall. I made inquiries regarding new versions or availability of the source. They were met with silence. A damned shame, as porting a DOS program to Linux ought to be fairly straight forward, and RightWriter would be worth the effort. cheers, gary -- Anyone can make a usable web site. It takes a graphic designer to make it slow, confusing and painful to use. begin:vcard fn:Gary Turner n:Turner;Gary org:Gary Turner, Web Developer adr:;;USA email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Czar x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://gtwebdev.com/ version:2.1 end:vcard
Re: grammar tool in linux ... perhaps in emacs
On Tue, 9 Sep 2008 16:20:43 + (UTC) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I hope I do not start a flame war here. I was wondering what choices do we have to check English grammar in Linux. The only one I know of is diction. It's available as a package in the repositories. The site is at http://www.gnu.org/software/diction/diction.html Mark -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: grammar tool in linux ... perhaps in emacs
-HS writes: I was wondering what choices do we have to check English grammar in Linux. IIRC there used to be such a program in BSD. ...that such a tool aids in catching silly mistakes and helps significantly in proof reading. Copy editing, not proof reading. The latter involves comparing a proof copy to a manuscript and noting all deviations. It's pretty much obsolete for obvious reasons. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: grammar tool in linux ... perhaps in emacs
On Tuesday 09 September 2008 22:47:14 debian-user-digest- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: well i know just queequeg, which works with the console... i once made a small tutorial for making it work for a professor, so maybe you can do something with it! http://www.gallois.com.br/blog/2008/07/30/grammar-checker-on-linux-with-que equeg/ The link on this tutorial is not current. Get the whole thing from: queequeg.sourceforge.net/index-e.htm -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
