Re: gschem only partially works

[Richard Owlett]

On 1/9/2016 8:42 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:

[snip]
Actually I did get it to open that file when used as an argument from a
console window, in the local wiki, but its a one page file that points
at www.gpleda.org, a site that apparently does not exist or the
iceweasel cannot find.  But the site CAN be pinged.  A new ssl problem?


Doubt it's a ssl problem. I got there thru the "Homepage" link on 
https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/geda-doc. It referred to 
http://geda.seul.org/ which redirected to http://www.gpleda.org/ 
{not to https:}. That body of that page points to 
http://www.geda-project.org/ which fails with "timeout" rather 
than "connection refused".


However all is not lost ;} A DuckDuckGo search for documentation 
gave:

geda:documentation [gEDA Project Wiki]
FAQ-gschem: Questions about installing, configuring, and using 
gschem. Also, ... geda/documentation.txt · Last modified: 
2015/08/25 06:06 by vzh

wiki.geda-project.org/geda:documentation

http://wiki.geda-project.org/geda:documentation states:
"These are the official project docs. They have been converted 
from LaTeX and HTML documents into Wiki pages so that the gEDA 
community may more easily maintain them."


HTH

Re: gschem only partially works

[Chris Bannister]

On Sat, Jan 09, 2016 at 07:24:29PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> 
> I can see all that in synaptic to prove its there, and mc agree's, but 
> its in html and iceweasel has lost the ability to open a file on a local 
> filesystem.  No clue why as there sure should not be an ssl problem on a 
> local direct access disk.

How are you trying to open the file?
Don't type it into the address bar, but use the 'open file' from the
file menu. 

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: gschem only partially works

[Gene Heskett]

On Sunday 10 January 2016 03:46:29 Chris Bannister wrote:

> On Sat, Jan 09, 2016 at 07:24:29PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > I can see all that in synaptic to prove its there, and mc agree's,
> > but its in html and iceweasel has lost the ability to open a file on
> > a local filesystem.  No clue why as there sure should not be an ssl
> > problem on a local direct access disk.
>
> How are you trying to open the file?
> Don't type it into the address bar, but use the 'open file' from the
> file menu.

I did get it working, partially, after finding konqueror had its 
own "defaults" table and html was set to hand it off to iceweasel.

So its working for local files now, and 2 of the 4 major stateside 
network news sites.  And I threw away my "didn't win" powerball ticket. 
No winner, estimated to be 1.3 Billion dollars by Wednesday. :)

I also managed to dl the pcb.pdf, but this has been so frustrating that 
now I have to re-motivate myself to even try it.  ATM its less 
frustration by about 10x, to just get in my West Virginia Cadillac* and 
make the 55 mile round trip to take all the project boards they have off 
the pegboard at the last surviving Radio Shack in these here parts. I 
can and have, made 2 of these circuits on 1/2 of one of those already. 
But my junk box parts choices left something to be desired. But I will, 
by the end of this week, probably have a much improved parts stock, 
there are yet some small hexfets, some 4pdt relay's and a 250 watt 
bleeder resistor headed my way.

*a 99 GMC 3 door short box 4wd.  AKA Old Faithfull.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: gschem only partially works

[Curt]

On 2016-01-10, Gene Heskett  wrote:
>
> So unless I see an iceweasel update in the next day or 2, I will be 
> actively searching for a browser that Just Works(TM).
>

I always read doc in /usr/share/doc with lynx. Just Works. And light,
and can be used without a gui.

Re: gschem only partially works

[Lisi Reisz]

On Sunday 10 January 2016 02:42:17 Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Saturday 09 January 2016 19:39:27 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Sunday 10 January 2016 00:24:29 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > I can see all that in synaptic to prove its there, and mc agree's,
> > > but its in html and iceweasel has lost the ability to open a file on
> > > a local filesystem.  No clue why as there sure should not be an ssl
> > > problem on a local direct access disk.
> > >
> > > So unless I see an iceweasel update in the next day or 2, I will be
> > > actively searching for a browser that Just Works(TM).
> >
> > You are using TDE.  Why on earth aren't you using Konqueror for this
> > sort of thing??  Easiest route:
> >
> > Do:
> > alt-F2
> >
> > type in resultant window:
> > /home/gene
> > or whatever you call your home directory, or route to wherever the
> > file you want is
> >
> > navigate to file you want and open it.
> >
> > Lisi
>
> Konquerer and I have never made friends, Lisi, but if it works, I'll try
> to apologize to it. But I don't have to, it just refused to open
> gedadocs.html in the /usr/share/doc/geda/ directory.  Despite being set
> as the default browser, it handed it over to iceweasel, and iceweasel of
> course claimed the file did not exist.
>
> Does it open that file on your system?

No, because I haven't got it, and no browser or file manager would be able to 
open a file on my computer that isn't there.
>
> Actually I did get it to open that file when used as an argument from a
> console window, in the local wiki, but its a one page file that points
> at www.gpleda.org, a site that apparently does not exist or the
> iceweasel cannot find.  But the site CAN be pinged.  A new ssl problem?

I had no difficulty at all in opening the site www.gpleda.org in all three of 
the browsers I currently have installed:  Google Chrome, Iceweasel and 
Konqueror.  In all three I could then click through to the wiki which seemed 
to be full of documentation and information.  Konqueror gave the best 
diagrams:  it just had spaces which said click to enlarge, and the resulting 
wiring diagram was beautifully clear and definitely usable.

So no, it is not a new ssl prioblem, it is a new Gene problem. ;-)

Lisi

P.S.  You had tried just opening the site in a browser, right??
>
> The lack of being able to access the docs for all these tools is, to put
> it bluntly, damned frustrating. So to hell with it, I'll make the 60
> mile round trip to my nearest radio shack tomorrow and get some of their
> project boards as I can build 2 each of these circuits on a 2x2" project
> board.
>
> In the meantime, somewhere in this daily updating of libssl and friends,
> maybe, if they switch chews and hold their mouth just right, a browser,
> any browser, might actually work again.  But I don't recommend either of
> us hold our breath until that happens.
>
> Cheers, Gene Heskett

Re: gschem only partially works

[Lisi Reisz]

On Sunday 10 January 2016 14:52:31 Gene Heskett wrote:
> The clue to me is that the timeline of the problem starts with all the
> screwing around with the libssl file thats been going on in wheezy for
> the last 10 days or so.

Yes, but I don't have the problem.  So there is something else at work where 
you are concerned.

Lisi

Re: gschem only partially works

[Lisi Reisz]

On Sunday 10 January 2016 14:52:31 Gene Heskett wrote:
> Yes, but if its a link displayed in kmail for instance, I have to do the
> copy/paste to make konqueror work, otherwise konqueror is passed a link
> to /var/tmp/something or other and much is lost in the translation.

It goes wherever you have told it to.

Lisi

Re: gschem only partially works

[Gene Heskett]

On Sunday 10 January 2016 05:58:01 Lisi Reisz wrote:

> On Sunday 10 January 2016 02:42:17 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Saturday 09 January 2016 19:39:27 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > > On Sunday 10 January 2016 00:24:29 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > I can see all that in synaptic to prove its there, and mc
> > > > agree's, but its in html and iceweasel has lost the ability to
> > > > open a file on a local filesystem.  No clue why as there sure
> > > > should not be an ssl problem on a local direct access disk.
> > > >
> > > > So unless I see an iceweasel update in the next day or 2, I will
> > > > be actively searching for a browser that Just Works(TM).
> > >
> > > You are using TDE.  Why on earth aren't you using Konqueror for
> > > this sort of thing??  Easiest route:
> > >
> > > Do:
> > > alt-F2
> > >
> > > type in resultant window:
> > > /home/gene
> > > or whatever you call your home directory, or route to wherever the
> > > file you want is
> > >
> > > navigate to file you want and open it.
> > >
> > > Lisi
> >
> > Konquerer and I have never made friends, Lisi, but if it works, I'll
> > try to apologize to it. But I don't have to, it just refused to open
> > gedadocs.html in the /usr/share/doc/geda/ directory.  Despite being
> > set as the default browser, it handed it over to iceweasel, and
> > iceweasel of course claimed the file did not exist.
> >
> > Does it open that file on your system?
>
> No, because I haven't got it, and no browser or file manager would be
> able to open a file on my computer that isn't there.
>
> > Actually I did get it to open that file when used as an argument
> > from a console window, in the local wiki, but its a one page file
> > that points at www.gpleda.org, a site that apparently does not exist
> > or the iceweasel cannot find.  But the site CAN be pinged.  A new
> > ssl problem?
>
> I had no difficulty at all in opening the site www.gpleda.org in all
> three of the browsers I currently have installed:  Google Chrome,
> Iceweasel and Konqueror.  In all three I could then click through to
> the wiki which seemed to be full of documentation and information. 
> Konqueror gave the best diagrams:  it just had spaces which said click
> to enlarge, and the resulting wiring diagram was beautifully clear and
> definitely usable.
>
> So no, it is not a new ssl prioblem, it is a new Gene problem. ;-)

The clue to me is that the timeline of the problem starts with all the 
screwing around with the libssl file thats been going on in wheezy for 
the last 10 days or so.  Perhaps not, but the fingers are all being 
pointed that way.  I removed all the extra flash/gnash crap, and 
re-installed iceweasel which helped, for about 10-12 hours.  Then libssl 
was updated again, and things have generally gone to hell since, getting 
worse with each subsequent update to libssl.  There have now been 3 
updates ISTR.

And I have a problem with konqueror I'll take to the TDE list.

> Lisi
>
> P.S.  You had tried just opening the site in a browser, right??

Yes, but if its a link displayed in kmail for instance, I have to do the 
copy/paste to make konqueror work, otherwise konqueror is passed a link 
to /var/tmp/something or other and much is lost in the translation.

> > The lack of being able to access the docs for all these tools is, to
> > put it bluntly, damned frustrating. So to hell with it, I'll make
> > the 60 mile round trip to my nearest radio shack tomorrow and get
> > some of their project boards as I can build 2 each of these circuits
> > on a 2x2" project board.
> >
> > In the meantime, somewhere in this daily updating of libssl and
> > friends, maybe, if they switch chews and hold their mouth just
> > right, a browser, any browser, might actually work again.  But I
> > don't recommend either of us hold our breath until that happens.
> >
> > Cheers, Gene Heskett


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: gschem only partially works

[Gene Heskett]

On Sunday 10 January 2016 06:47:03 Richard Owlett wrote:

> On 1/9/2016 8:42 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > [snip]
> > Actually I did get it to open that file when used as an argument
> > from a console window, in the local wiki, but its a one page file
> > that points at www.gpleda.org, a site that apparently does not exist
> > or the iceweasel cannot find.  But the site CAN be pinged.  A new
> > ssl problem?
>
> Doubt it's a ssl problem. I got there thru the "Homepage" link on
> https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/geda-doc. It referred to
> http://geda.seul.org/ which redirected to http://www.gpleda.org/
> {not to https:}. That body of that page points to
> http://www.geda-project.org/ which fails with "timeout" rather
> than "connection refused".
>
> However all is not lost ;} A DuckDuckGo search for documentation
> gave:
> geda:documentation [gEDA Project Wiki]
> FAQ-gschem: Questions about installing, configuring, and using
> gschem. Also, ... geda/documentation.txt · Last modified:
> 2015/08/25 06:06 by vzh
> wiki.geda-project.org/geda:documentation
>
> http://wiki.geda-project.org/geda:documentation states:
> "These are the official project docs. They have been converted
> from LaTeX and HTML documents into Wiki pages so that the gEDA
> community may more easily maintain them."
>
> HTH

Maybe so, but I find all the focus changes needed to read the stuff 
online leads to gross amounts of typu's.  So I prefer hard copy I can 
lay to one side of the keyboard to consult.

And I just had an unusual occurrence. My Brother HGL-3170-CDW color laser 
is at the 175,000 mile mark in its life, and is both leaking some toner 
and jamming slightly more frequently.  After clearing a rear end turn 
around jam (it does duplex) I had folded my arms and stood there to 
observe it for a bit and my arms laying on the front edge of the 
printer, and apparently pressed the cancel button.  No way out except a 
powerdown reset, which it has had maybe 50 times in its life.  That 
cleared the buffer, so I had to figure out where to restart evince 
again.  Turned out to be page 33 IIRC. But the printer, while doing 
duplex all its life so far, has always spit out the finished page BEFORE 
it pulled in another sheet from the tray, which takes it about 15 
seconds to do.

But now, its pulling it while printing the back side of a sheet, so that 
when the finished page is ejected, the front side of the next page 
follows that page out, only about an inch and a half behind it, and is 
then pulled back in to get turned over somehow so it can do the other 
side.

In round figures, that at least doubles the printers pages per minute. 
And before I finished typing this, it was done with that nominally 175 
pages of pcb.pdf.  Now to punch it and bind it in a 3 ringer.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: gschem only partially works

[Gene Heskett]

On Sunday 10 January 2016 11:54:37 Lisi Reisz wrote:

> On Sunday 10 January 2016 14:52:31 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > Yes, but if its a link displayed in kmail for instance, I have to do
> > the copy/paste to make konqueror work, otherwise konqueror is passed
> > a link to /var/tmp/something or other and much is lost in the
> > translation.
>
> It goes wherever you have told it to.
>
> Lisi

I am talking about a simple click on a url link in kmail, and what I am 
saying is that I have mouse slide hilight the link, then goto the 
konqueror screen and middle click paste it into the address bar.  Then 
it works, but the click on it in kmail doesn't.


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: gschem only partially works

[Lisi Reisz]

On Sunday 10 January 2016 21:24:31 Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Sunday 10 January 2016 11:54:37 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Sunday 10 January 2016 14:52:31 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > Yes, but if its a link displayed in kmail for instance, I have to do
> > > the copy/paste to make konqueror work, otherwise konqueror is passed
> > > a link to /var/tmp/something or other and much is lost in the
> > > translation.
> >
> > It goes wherever you have told it to.
> >
> > Lisi
>
> I am talking about a simple click on a url link in kmail, and what I am
> saying is that I have mouse slide hilight the link, then goto the
> konqueror screen and middle click paste it into the address bar.  Then
> it works, but the click on it in kmail doesn't.

Yes, I understand that.  It will go where you have told it to, when you click 
it.  If it isn't going to anywhere, check your settings.  Though that does 
assume that the URL is a valid hyperlink, which is not always the case.  Then 
one does have to copy and paste.

Lisi

Re: gschem only partially works

[Joe]

On Sat, 9 Jan 2016 12:39:35 -0500
Gene Heskett  wrote:

> Greetings all;
> 
> I have drawn a simple 6 part schematic, in gschem, for something I
> need several copies of as part of the control mechanism of a cnc
> machine tool.
> 
> Now I would like to translate that to a pcb I can make.
> 
> However, its been an exercise best described as the 10,000 monkeys
> with typewriters miraculously re-creating Shakespears works.
> 
> The reason?  In the help pulldown, the top 3 items that should give
> one access to the documentation for the geda suite of programs, do
> ANAICT nothing, not even a disk access spike is shown by gkrellm.
> 

I've been using the gEDA suite for over eight years, and it never once
occurred to me to look on that help menu... you're quite right, it
doesn't work, and I have the full set of packages here.

In this case, the Net is the repository of all wisdom. gEDA is still
under considerable development and documentation changes fairly
quickly, in fact, the whole organisation of the gEDA site has changed
since I last looked there:

http://www.geda-project.org/

This might be what you're looking for at the moment:

http://wiki.geda-project.org/geda:gsch2pcb_tutorial

and you'll probably want the PCB manual in PDF:

http://pcb.geda-project.org/manual.html

Check your PCB version, this is a moving target.

Here's one of the many tutorials:

http://www.delorie.com/pcb/docs/gs/gs.html

If you have any problems finding components in either schematic symbol
or PCB footprint form, you may need to make them. This isn't difficult,
they're all text files and there is plenty of documentation. There
are some footprint generators, I made a two-pad SMD generator in a
spreadsheet, but there are more ambitious scripts out there.

There are quite a few parts in addition to those built into the
application, this site is the main collection:

http://www.gedasymbols.org/

I had a bit of a communications problem trying to get some space here,
so in the end I put some of my symbols and footprints here:

http://www.jre-systems.co.uk/geda/index.html

I've had the Gerber files produced by this suite fabricated by at least
three different PCB manufacturers, with no problems. It can also produce
position data for automatic assembly of the SMD components, if you ever
move into mass production.

Yes, the learning curve is a bit steep...

-- 
Joe

gschem only partially works

[Gene Heskett]

Greetings all;

I have drawn a simple 6 part schematic, in gschem, for something I need 
several copies of as part of the control mechanism of a cnc machine 
tool.

Now I would like to translate that to a pcb I can make.

However, its been an exercise best described as the 10,000 monkeys with 
typewriters miraculously re-creating Shakespears works.

The reason?  In the help pulldown, the top 3 items that should give one 
access to the documentation for the geda suite of programs, do ANAICT 
nothing, not even a disk access spike is shown by gkrellm.

The complete suite of programs is installed.  Is there a .conf file 
someplace besides /etc/gEDA/system-gschemrc to set its choice of 
browsers to use to display this stuff?  iceweasel is the default, 
chromium is available, as is konqerer.  Resetting the default browser to 
each of them in turn has no effect.

I need some clues as to how to even trace this to see where the failure 
is.  FWIW, while looking at /etc/gEDA/gschemrc, I did fix it so the 
print command worked by adding the cups defined name 
as "lp -dNetwork_printer".  The default "lpr" apparently sends the job 
to /dev/null, or possibly /dev/oblivion?  It never gets anywhere near a 
cups log.

The same /usr/share/gEDA directory tree also contains at least 1000 .sym 
files, which are what gschem uses to draw the part symbol on the screen, 
and all that works, but no handy documentation can be displayed on 
command.

Clues? I seem to have used up mine.

Thanks all.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: gschem only partially works

[Richard Owlett]

On 1/9/2016 11:39 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:

Greetings all;

I have drawn a simple 6 part schematic, in gschem, for something I need
several copies of as part of the control mechanism of a cnc machine
tool.

Now I would like to translate that to a pcb I can make.

However, its been an exercise best described as the 10,000 monkeys with
typewriters miraculously re-creating Shakespears works.

The reason?  In the help pulldown, the top 3 items that should give one
access to the documentation for the geda suite of programs, do ANAICT
nothing, not even a disk access spike is shown by gkrellm.


I've never used the package but your description caused me to ask 
if documentation was loaded and to the "right" place.


Duckduckgo led to https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/geda-doc and 
thus to

https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/all/geda-doc/filelist.

HTH

Re: gschem only partially works

[Johann Klammer]

On 01/09/2016 06:40 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> Greetings all;
> 
> I have drawn a simple 6 part schematic, in gschem, for something I need 
> several copies of as part of the control mechanism of a cnc machine 
> tool.
> 
> Now I would like to translate that to a pcb I can make.
> 

Try:
info pcb "Schematic Frontends" "gEDA"

(in a terminal and with pcb-common installed)

`?' gives the keypresses for navigating the info manual...



> However, its been an exercise best described as the 10,000 monkeys with 
> typewriters miraculously re-creating Shakespears works.
> 
> The reason?  In the help pulldown, the top 3 items that should give one 
> access to the documentation for the geda suite of programs, do ANAICT 
> nothing, not even a disk access spike is shown by gkrellm.
> 

sounds like you are missing a -doc package

> The complete suite of programs is installed.  Is there a .conf file 
> someplace besides /etc/gEDA/system-gschemrc to set its choice of 
> browsers to use to display this stuff?  iceweasel is the default, 
> chromium is available, as is konqerer.  Resetting the default browser to 
> each of them in turn has no effect.
> 
> I need some clues as to how to even trace this to see where the failure 
> is.  FWIW, while looking at /etc/gEDA/gschemrc, I did fix it so the 
> print command worked by adding the cups defined name 
> as "lp -dNetwork_printer".  The default "lpr" apparently sends the job 
> to /dev/null, or possibly /dev/oblivion?  It never gets anywhere near a 
> cups log.
> 
> The same /usr/share/gEDA directory tree also contains at least 1000 .sym 
> files, which are what gschem uses to draw the part symbol on the screen, 
> and all that works, but no handy documentation can be displayed on 
> command.
> 
> Clues? I seem to have used up mine.
> 
> Thanks all.
> 
> Cheers, Gene Heskett
> 

Re: gschem only partially works

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 09 January 2016 14:16:16 Johann Klammer wrote:

> On 01/09/2016 06:40 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > Greetings all;
> >
> > I have drawn a simple 6 part schematic, in gschem, for something I
> > need several copies of as part of the control mechanism of a cnc
> > machine tool.
> >
> > Now I would like to translate that to a pcb I can make.
>
> Try:
> info pcb "Schematic Frontends" "gEDA"
>
> (in a terminal and with pcb-common installed)
>
> `?' gives the keypresses for navigating the info manual...
>
They have  all been tried, same results as the mouse clicks, nothing.

> > However, its been an exercise best described as the 10,000 monkeys
> > with typewriters miraculously re-creating Shakespears works.
> >
> > The reason?  In the help pulldown, the top 3 items that should give
> > one access to the documentation for the geda suite of programs, do
> > ANAICT nothing, not even a disk access spike is shown by gkrellm.
>
> sounds like you are missing a -doc package
>
Its installed. But iceweasel had self-destructed, unable to open a file 
on a local file system EXCEPT for the localhost:6309/gene, which is the 
local link to the web page in my sig, its this machine.  And that works 
instantly, as does the index.html from awffull. But very littler else 
works locally.

> > The complete suite of programs is installed.  Is there a .conf file
> > someplace besides /etc/gEDA/system-gschemrc to set its choice of
> > browsers to use to display this stuff?  iceweasel is the default,
> > chromium is available, as is konqerer.  Resetting the default
> > browser to each of them in turn has no effect.
> >
> > I need some clues as to how to even trace this to see where the
> > failure is.  FWIW, while looking at /etc/gEDA/gschemrc, I did fix it
> > so the print command worked by adding the cups defined name
> > as "lp -dNetwork_printer".  The default "lpr" apparently sends the
> > job to /dev/null, or possibly /dev/oblivion?  It never gets anywhere
> > near a cups log.
> >
> > The same /usr/share/gEDA directory tree also contains at least 1000
> > .sym files, which are what gschem uses to draw the part symbol on
> > the screen, and all that works, but no handy documentation can be
> > displayed on command.
> >
> > Clues? I seem to have used up mine.
> >
> > Thanks all.
> >
> > Cheers, Gene Heskett


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: gschem only partially works

[Lisi Reisz]

On Sunday 10 January 2016 00:24:29 Gene Heskett wrote:
> I can see all that in synaptic to prove its there, and mc agree's, but
> its in html and iceweasel has lost the ability to open a file on a local
> filesystem.  No clue why as there sure should not be an ssl problem on a
> local direct access disk.
>
> So unless I see an iceweasel update in the next day or 2, I will be
> actively searching for a browser that Just Works(TM).

You are using TDE.  Why on earth aren't you using Konqueror for this sort of 
thing??  Easiest route:

Do:
alt-F2

type in resultant window:
/home/gene
or whatever you call your home directory, or route to wherever the file you 
want is

navigate to file you want and open it.

Lisi

Re: gschem only partially works

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 09 January 2016 15:18:38 Joe wrote:

> On Sat, 9 Jan 2016 12:39:35 -0500
>
> Gene Heskett  wrote:
> > Greetings all;
> >
> > I have drawn a simple 6 part schematic, in gschem, for something I
> > need several copies of as part of the control mechanism of a cnc
> > machine tool.
> >
> > Now I would like to translate that to a pcb I can make.
> >
> > However, its been an exercise best described as the 10,000 monkeys
> > with typewriters miraculously re-creating Shakespears works.
> >
> > The reason?  In the help pulldown, the top 3 items that should give
> > one access to the documentation for the geda suite of programs, do
> > ANAICT nothing, not even a disk access spike is shown by gkrellm.
>
> I've been using the gEDA suite for over eight years, and it never once
> occurred to me to look on that help menu... you're quite right, it
> doesn't work, and I have the full set of packages here.
>
> In this case, the Net is the repository of all wisdom. gEDA is still
> under considerable development and documentation changes fairly
> quickly, in fact, the whole organisation of the gEDA site has changed
> since I last looked there:
>
> http://www.geda-project.org/
>
> This might be what you're looking for at the moment:
>
> http://wiki.geda-project.org/geda:gsch2pcb_tutorial
>
> and you'll probably want the PCB manual in PDF:
>
> http://pcb.geda-project.org/manual.html
>
> Check your PCB version, this is a moving target.

Its moot, I gave up and will make a 60 mile round trip to the shack in 
the next day or so for some of their project boards.

> Here's one of the many tutorials:
>
> http://www.delorie.com/pcb/docs/gs/gs.html
>
> If you have any problems finding components in either schematic symbol
> or PCB footprint form, you may need to make them. This isn't
> difficult, they're all text files and there is plenty of
> documentation. There are some footprint generators, I made a two-pad
> SMD generator in a spreadsheet, but there are more ambitious scripts
> out there.
>
> There are quite a few parts in addition to those built into the
> application, this site is the main collection:
>
> http://www.gedasymbols.org/
>
> I had a bit of a communications problem trying to get some space here,
> so in the end I put some of my symbols and footprints here:
>
> http://www.jre-systems.co.uk/geda/index.html
>
> I've had the Gerber files produced by this suite fabricated by at
> least three different PCB manufacturers, with no problems. It can also
> produce position data for automatic assembly of the SMD components, if
> you ever move into mass production.
>
> Yes, the learning curve is a bit steep...


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: gschem only partially works

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 09 January 2016 13:47:58 Richard Owlett wrote:

> On 1/9/2016 11:39 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > Greetings all;
> >
> > I have drawn a simple 6 part schematic, in gschem, for something I
> > need several copies of as part of the control mechanism of a cnc
> > machine tool.
> >
> > Now I would like to translate that to a pcb I can make.
> >
> > However, its been an exercise best described as the 10,000 monkeys
> > with typewriters miraculously re-creating Shakespears works.
> >
> > The reason?  In the help pulldown, the top 3 items that should give
> > one access to the documentation for the geda suite of programs, do
> > ANAICT nothing, not even a disk access spike is shown by gkrellm.
>
> I've never used the package but your description caused me to ask
> if documentation was loaded and to the "right" place.
>
> Duckduckgo led to https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/geda-doc and
> thus to
> https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/all/geda-doc/filelist.

I can see all that in synaptic to prove its there, and mc agree's, but 
its in html and iceweasel has lost the ability to open a file on a local 
filesystem.  No clue why as there sure should not be an ssl problem on a 
local direct access disk.

So unless I see an iceweasel update in the next day or 2, I will be 
actively searching for a browser that Just Works(TM).

> HTH

Its all there, in the same directory tree with all the .sym files that 
describe this and that.  I gave up on gschem and recreated it in PCB, 
but when exported to gcode and loaded into LCNC, it bears NO resemblance 
to what I composed in PCB.  I'd use eagle, but everytime I take a nap, 
it self destructs with non-compatible upgrades.  After 3 or 4 times of 
that happening, if I ever get it running again, I am going to do an 
ifconfig eth0 down before I restart it. I have little or no use for 
software that phones home without the users ok.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: gschem only partially works

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 09 January 2016 19:39:27 Lisi Reisz wrote:

> On Sunday 10 January 2016 00:24:29 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > I can see all that in synaptic to prove its there, and mc agree's,
> > but its in html and iceweasel has lost the ability to open a file on
> > a local filesystem.  No clue why as there sure should not be an ssl
> > problem on a local direct access disk.
> >
> > So unless I see an iceweasel update in the next day or 2, I will be
> > actively searching for a browser that Just Works(TM).
>
> You are using TDE.  Why on earth aren't you using Konqueror for this
> sort of thing??  Easiest route:
>
> Do:
> alt-F2
>
> type in resultant window:
> /home/gene
> or whatever you call your home directory, or route to wherever the
> file you want is
>
> navigate to file you want and open it.
>
> Lisi

Konquerer and I have never made friends, Lisi, but if it works, I'll try 
to apologize to it. But I don't have to, it just refused to open 
gedadocs.html in the /usr/share/doc/geda/ directory.  Despite being set 
as the default browser, it handed it over to iceweasel, and iceweasel of 
course claimed the file did not exist.

Does it open that file on your system?

Actually I did get it to open that file when used as an argument from a 
console window, in the local wiki, but its a one page file that points 
at www.gpleda.org, a site that apparently does not exist or the 
iceweasel cannot find.  But the site CAN be pinged.  A new ssl problem?

The lack of being able to access the docs for all these tools is, to put 
it bluntly, damned frustrating. So to hell with it, I'll make the 60 
mile round trip to my nearest radio shack tomorrow and get some of their 
project boards as I can build 2 each of these circuits on a 2x2" project 
board.

In the meantime, somewhere in this daily updating of libssl and friends, 
maybe, if they switch chews and hold their mouth just right, a browser, 
any browser, might actually work again.  But I don't recommend either of 
us hold our breath until that happens.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: gschem only partially works

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 09 January 2016 21:42:17 Gene Heskett wrote:

> On Saturday 09 January 2016 19:39:27 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Sunday 10 January 2016 00:24:29 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > I can see all that in synaptic to prove its there, and mc agree's,
> > > but its in html and iceweasel has lost the ability to open a file
> > > on a local filesystem.  No clue why as there sure should not be an
> > > ssl problem on a local direct access disk.
> > >
> > > So unless I see an iceweasel update in the next day or 2, I will
> > > be actively searching for a browser that Just Works(TM).
> >
> > You are using TDE.  Why on earth aren't you using Konqueror for this
> > sort of thing??  Easiest route:
> >
> > Do:
> > alt-F2
> >
> > type in resultant window:
> > /home/gene
> > or whatever you call your home directory, or route to wherever the
> > file you want is
> >
> > navigate to file you want and open it.
> >
> > Lisi
>
> Konquerer and I have never made friends, Lisi, but if it works, I'll
> try to apologize to it. But I don't have to, it just refused to open
> gedadocs.html in the /usr/share/doc/geda/ directory.  Despite being
> set as the default browser, it handed it over to iceweasel, and
> iceweasel of course claimed the file did not exist.
>
> Does it open that file on your system?
>
> Actually I did get it to open that file when used as an argument from
> a console window, in the local wiki, but its a one page file that
> points at www.gpleda.org, a site that apparently does not exist or the
> iceweasel cannot find.  But the site CAN be pinged.  A new ssl
> problem?

And a PS; konqueror CAN goto that site when its given that sites address 
as $var1 from a cli.  However, trying to follow a link on that site is 
handed off to iceweasel, despite konqueror being set as the default 
browser, and iceweasel is busted.  And I believe its busted because of 
the game of musical chairs being played with the libssl right now.

So why does it hand the links off to iceweasel in the first place?  It is 
NOT the default browser at the moment.  

> The lack of being able to access the docs for all these tools is, to
> put it bluntly, damned frustrating. So to hell with it, I'll make the
> 60 mile round trip to my nearest radio shack tomorrow and get some of
> their project boards as I can build 2 each of these circuits on a 2x2"
> project board.
>
> In the meantime, somewhere in this daily updating of libssl and
> friends, maybe, if they switch chews and hold their mouth just right,
> a browser, any browser, might actually work again.  But I don't
> recommend either of us hold our breath until that happens.
>
> Cheers, Gene Heskett


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: gschem only partially works

[Gene Heskett]

On Saturday 09 January 2016 21:53:08 Gene Heskett wrote:

> On Saturday 09 January 2016 21:42:17 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Saturday 09 January 2016 19:39:27 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > > On Sunday 10 January 2016 00:24:29 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > I can see all that in synaptic to prove its there, and mc
> > > > agree's, but its in html and iceweasel has lost the ability to
> > > > open a file on a local filesystem.  No clue why as there sure
> > > > should not be an ssl problem on a local direct access disk.
> > > >
> > > > So unless I see an iceweasel update in the next day or 2, I will
> > > > be actively searching for a browser that Just Works(TM).
> > >
> > > You are using TDE.  Why on earth aren't you using Konqueror for
> > > this sort of thing??  Easiest route:
> > >
> > > Do:
> > > alt-F2
> > >
> > > type in resultant window:
> > > /home/gene
> > > or whatever you call your home directory, or route to wherever the
> > > file you want is
> > >
> > > navigate to file you want and open it.
> > >
> > > Lisi
> >
> > Konquerer and I have never made friends, Lisi, but if it works, I'll
> > try to apologize to it. But I don't have to, it just refused to open
> > gedadocs.html in the /usr/share/doc/geda/ directory.  Despite being
> > set as the default browser, it handed it over to iceweasel, and
> > iceweasel of course claimed the file did not exist.
> >
> > Does it open that file on your system?
> >
> > Actually I did get it to open that file when used as an argument
> > from a console window, in the local wiki, but its a one page file
> > that points at www.gpleda.org, a site that apparently does not exist
> > or the iceweasel cannot find.  But the site CAN be pinged.  A new
> > ssl problem?
>
> And a PS; konqueror CAN goto that site when its given that sites
> address as $var1 from a cli.  However, trying to follow a link on that
> site is handed off to iceweasel, despite konqueror being set as the
> default browser, and iceweasel is busted.  And I believe its busted
> because of the game of musical chairs being played with the libssl
> right now.
>
> So why does it hand the links off to iceweasel in the first place?  It
> is NOT the default browser at the moment.
>
Footnote: Apparently konqueror maintains its own table of default apps, 
and html was set to iceweasel. Fixed that, and actually got to the 
latest pcb.pdf and downloaded it. Whether that will lead to my trying to 
us it again is debatable.  I have already burned at least 2 days 
screwing around with this, and running into a dead end always around the 
next corner, so I will have to become re-motivated.

> > The lack of being able to access the docs for all these tools is, to
> > put it bluntly, damned frustrating. So to hell with it, I'll make
> > the 60 mile round trip to my nearest radio shack tomorrow and get
> > some of their project boards as I can build 2 each of these circuits
> > on a 2x2" project board.
> >
> > In the meantime, somewhere in this daily updating of libssl and
> > friends, maybe, if they switch chews and hold their mouth just
> > right, a browser, any browser, might actually work again.  But I
> > don't recommend either of us hold our breath until that happens.
> >
> > Cheers, Gene Heskett
>
> Cheers, Gene Heskett


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page