Re: how stable is lenny
On 2011-09-25, Andrew McGlashan andrew.mcglas...@affinityvision.com.au wrote: Yes, it is not about your installation, but how to use foreports -- we have backports, but I can't find a foreports repository so I am guessing it is a case of having extra old stubs to use as foreports... Sorry. I thought I was being funny and invented a foreports repository that has no independent existence (that I know of) outside of my own demented imagination. Don't ask me what's funny about this invention, please, 'cause I don't know. But I suppose if it is possible to backport an application, it is possible to foreport one, though it seems the demand for the latter thing must be rather small because if it were bigger a foreports repository would probably really exist. Most people want to go forward, even if it's only an illusion. I don't know what extra old stubs are, nor what you can do with them, but it sounds interesting. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/slrnj7ueeb.2sv.cu...@einstein.electron.org
Re: how stable is lenny
On Sun, 25 Sep 2011 14:26:53 +, Curt wrote: I don't know what extra old stubs are, nor what you can do with them, but it sounds interesting. They're short, but not too big around. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/j5nubc$69l$1...@dough.gmane.org
Re: how stable is lenny
On Saturday 24 September 2011 00:01:52 Bob Proulx wrote: Lisi wrote: Bob Proulx wrote: Long Wind wrote: Subject: how stable is lenny Lenny is extremely stable. But just the same you should upgrade to Squeeze. That is the current best release to use. Depends, surely, on his reason for using Lenny? The beauty of Linux is that it is not a one-size-fits-all solution. True. But as the saying goes, no man is an island. I really thought Woody was an excellent release too. And Sarge was quite good too. But I miss 'xmms' and 'grip' now unsupported. But eventually we all need to move forward. And there is always the Heirloom Project for those who do not. :-) Not here. Lenny is very solid and reliable. Implies, surely, that you too are using Lenny?? I am down to two last machines still running Lenny. There are security upgrades planned to be available for another twelve months. I have that long to work out how to make the upgrade for them. But say that e.g. the screen reading software is better in Lenny than in Squeeze? Not impossible. New improved often means changed for the worse! Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201109240752.51765.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: how stable is lenny
On 9/23/2011 9:00 AM, Long Wind wrote: even pressing power button on PC case can't shutdown lenny I have to unplug power cable to shutdown ACPI BIOS normally forces you to hold the power button in for at least 3-5 seconds to power off a system when the CPU is running in protected mode. Are you doing so? If yes, and it won't power down then I'd say you may have a problem with the motherboard. I suspect the hard disk is failing A failing hard disk won't cause these symptoms. -- Stan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4e7dd277.7040...@hardwarefreak.com
Re: how stable is lenny
On 2011-09-24, Lisi lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: But say that e.g. the screen reading software is better in Lenny than in Squeeze? Then you use debian foreports. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/slrnj7rp8b.2l8.cu...@einstein.electron.org
Re: how stable is lenny
On Saturday 24 September 2011 15:12:59 Curt wrote: On 2011-09-24, Lisi lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: But say that e.g. the screen reading software is better in Lenny than in Squeeze? Then you use debian foreports. Not everything will be available in foreports. And anyway, why is it so terrible to use Lenny, if it fulfills the OP's needs? It is still supported. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201109241539.57433.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: how stable is lenny
On Sat, 24 Sep 2011 15:39:57 +0100, Lisi wrote: On Saturday 24 September 2011 15:12:59 Curt wrote: On 2011-09-24, Lisi lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: But say that e.g. the screen reading software is better in Lenny than in Squeeze? Then you use debian foreports. Not everything will be available in foreports. And anyway, why is it so terrible to use Lenny, if it fulfills the OP's needs? It is still supported. I must be a terrible person then as I only have lenny's installed in all of my production systems :-) Update is foreseen when wheezy is out. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.09.24.14.47...@gmail.com
Re: how stable is lenny
Curt wrote: On 2011-09-24, Lisi lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: But say that e.g. the screen reading software is better in Lenny than in Squeeze? Then you use debian foreports. How and where? Is it simply using a lenny stub [in apt source files] in place of squeeze or stable? -- Kind Regards AndrewM Andrew McGlashan Broadband Solutions now including VoIP -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4e7e03b1.4050...@affinityvision.com.au
Re: how stable is lenny
On Saturday 24 September 2011 17:22:09 Andrew McGlashan wrote: Curt wrote: On 2011-09-24, Lisi lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: But say that e.g. the screen reading software is better in Lenny than in Squeeze? Then you use debian foreports. How and where? Is it simply using a lenny stub [in apt source files] in place of squeeze or stable? I'm not quite sure which you are asking a question about, foreports or repositories. When I installed Lenny (in the days before the ark) I ensured that my sources file had Lenny not stable. I haven't altered them since. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201109242209.06076.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: how stable is lenny
Lisi wrote: On Saturday 24 September 2011 17:22:09 Andrew McGlashan wrote: Then you use debian foreports. How and where? Is it simply using a lenny stub [in apt source files] in place of squeeze or stable? I'm not quite sure which you are asking a question about, foreports or repositories. When I installed Lenny (in the days before the ark) I ensured that my sources file had Lenny not stable. Yes, it is not about your installation, but how to use foreports -- we have backports, but I can't find a foreports repository so I am guessing it is a case of having extra old stubs to use as foreports... -- Kind Regards AndrewM Andrew McGlashan Broadband Solutions now including VoIP -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4e7eb829.7030...@affinityvision.com.au
how stable is lenny
sometime I can't shutdown lenny after using it for some time (I mean lenny doesn't respond to my key strokes) has anyone have similar experience? I install and run some no open source software as a no-root user it shouldn't cause problem -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAB-gxZDeHN5aY7h=KPRWYk3Bo80r=3fRNq=2zvonzm7f5w-...@mail.gmail.com
Re: how stable is lenny
On 9/23/2011 7:21 AM, Long Wind wrote: sometime I can't shutdown lenny after using it for some time (I mean lenny doesn't respond to my key strokes) has anyone have similar experience? I install and run some no open source software as a no-root user it shouldn't cause problem Does the mouse still work? If so you may simply have a KB going south. If neither work it may by a problem coming out of hybernation. If this happens *while* you are actively typing it could be a number of issues. When this happens, how are you getting around it? Hard reset or power button? Is this a laptop or desktop/minitower machine? -- Stan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4e7c86dd.50...@hardwarefreak.com
Re: how stable is lenny
On Fri, 23 Sep 2011 20:21:06 +0800, Long Wind wrote: sometime I can't shutdown lenny after using it for some time (I mean lenny doesn't respond to my key strokes) has anyone have similar experience? I install and run some no open source software as a no-root user it shouldn't cause problem I'm running several boxes with lenny (gui and non-gui based installations) and lenny is rock solid as the first day :-) I would investigate why your system stops responding, maybe you can start to find out by stablishing a session via ssh and see if that still works. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.09.23.13.56...@gmail.com
Re: how stable is lenny
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 9:17 PM, Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com wrote: Does the mouse still work? If so you may simply have a KB going south. If neither work it may by a problem coming out of hybernation. If this happens *while* you are actively typing it could be a number of issues. When this happens, how are you getting around it? Hard reset or power button? Is this a laptop or desktop/minitower machine? -- Stan My PC is desktop PC. I'm not sure if mouse work I usually in graphics mode when lenny doesn't respond to my key strokes I press alt+F1 (to switch to tty) but lenny remains in graphics mode even pressing power button on PC case can't shutdown lenny I have to unplug power cable to shutdown I suspect the hard disk is failing so I test with badblocks but it takes too much time. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cab-gxzdkphoxvoztpujdroxq8ueeg4fdlrleehcyfwapjgj...@mail.gmail.com
Re: how stable is lenny
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 9:56 PM, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: I'm running several boxes with lenny (gui and non-gui based installations) and lenny is rock solid as the first day :-) I would investigate why your system stops responding, maybe you can start to find out by stablishing a session via ssh and see if that still works. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- the problem doesn't always arise I suspect hard disk is failing If I can connect by ssh and shutdown lenny then, the cause of the problem comes from where? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cab-gxzdn_0rqdq3ma+qh4m_5fnevoxlitt_ce9cs_nopnky...@mail.gmail.com
Re: how stable is lenny
On Fri, 23 Sep 2011 22:06:53 +0800, Long Wind wrote: On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 9:56 PM, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: I'm running several boxes with lenny (gui and non-gui based installations) and lenny is rock solid as the first day :-) I would investigate why your system stops responding, maybe you can start to find out by stablishing a session via ssh and see if that still works. the problem doesn't always arise I suspect hard disk is failing Then you can run smartclt (long test mode) to find out any problem with your hard disks. If I can connect by ssh and shutdown lenny then, the cause of the problem comes from where? If you can connect and manage the server from a remote machine that may indicate an isolated problem not a system wide one: 1/ If you are running X server, that can mean xorg is freezed and so the keyboard refuses to respond. 2/ If no X server running, that could mean you have a problem with the keyboard or the port it is attached to (PS/2 or USB), try with another one. 3/ In addition, you can check the logs when the system freezes to gather furher information of the hang, run top to scan for any application consuming several resources, etc... Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.09.23.14.17...@gmail.com
Re: how stable is lenny
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 3:06 PM, Long Wind longwind2...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 9:56 PM, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: I am impressed with the username Long Wind.. I think it is an imaginative one. Cheers Michael Fothergill -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cab-gxzdn_0rqdq3ma+qh4m_5fnevoxlitt_ce9cs_nopnky...@mail.gmail.com
Re: how stable is lenny
On 09/23/2011 08:21 AM, Long Wind wrote: sometime I can't shutdown lenny after using it for some time (I mean lenny doesn't respond to my key strokes) has anyone have similar experience? I install and run some no open source software as a no-root user it shouldn't cause problem I've had the same problem at times. It is usually caused by a bad install of a program or an update that got hosed. What cures it for me is to purge the program I am working on at the time and reinstall it. That is when I'm running stable. I'm now running Wheezy/testing and it happens a little more often so I just wait for updates to fix it. Now at times, it's not the program I'm currently using but one that is also open at the same time and the two programs are fighting each other for I/O. You might have to figure out what other program might be interfering with your current program. Cheers Whit -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4e7cb654.7000...@comcast.net
Re: how stable is lenny
Long Wind wrote: Subject: how stable is lenny Lenny is extremely stable. But just the same you should upgrade to Squeeze. That is the current best release to use. sometime I can't shutdown lenny after using it for some time (I mean lenny doesn't respond to my key strokes) has anyone have similar experience? Not here. Lenny is very solid and reliable. Perhaps you are having a hardware problem? Perhaps over heating? I install and run some no open source software as a no-root user it shouldn't cause problem Shouldn't be a problem. Bob signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: how stable is lenny
On Friday 23 September 2011 22:37:17 Bob Proulx wrote: Long Wind wrote: Subject: how stable is lenny Lenny is extremely stable. But just the same you should upgrade to Squeeze. That is the current best release to use. Depends, surely, on his reason for using Lenny? The beauty of Linux is that it is not a one-size-fits-all solution. sometime I can't shutdown lenny after using it for some time (I mean lenny doesn't respond to my key strokes) has anyone have similar experience? Not here. Lenny is very solid and reliable. Implies, surely, that you too are using Lenny?? Long Wind - Any problems I have are of my own making! Lenny is great, and very stable. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201109232259.43961.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: how stable is lenny
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:17 AM, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com wrote: Then you can run smartclt (long test mode) to find out any problem with your hard disks. If you can connect and manage the server from a remote machine that may indicate an isolated problem not a system wide one: 1/ If you are running X server, that can mean xorg is freezed and so the keyboard refuses to respond. 2/ If no X server running, that could mean you have a problem with the keyboard or the port it is attached to (PS/2 or USB), try with another one. 3/ In addition, you can check the logs when the system freezes to gather furher information of the hang, run top to scan for any application consuming several resources, etc... Greetings, -- Camaleón Thank Camaleón and all those that help! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cab-gxzdaoh-bfg8ccn9t_v-guvhwt86ncav3qztkm11z9cq...@mail.gmail.com
Re: how stable is lenny
Lisi wrote: Bob Proulx wrote: Long Wind wrote: Subject: how stable is lenny Lenny is extremely stable. But just the same you should upgrade to Squeeze. That is the current best release to use. Depends, surely, on his reason for using Lenny? The beauty of Linux is that it is not a one-size-fits-all solution. True. But as the saying goes, no man is an island. I really thought Woody was an excellent release too. And Sarge was quite good too. But I miss 'xmms' and 'grip' now unsupported. But eventually we all need to move forward. And there is always the Heirloom Project for those who do not. :-) Not here. Lenny is very solid and reliable. Implies, surely, that you too are using Lenny?? I am down to two last machines still running Lenny. There are security upgrades planned to be available for another twelve months. I have that long to work out how to make the upgrade for them. Bob signature.asc Description: Digital signature
