Re: how to disable gnome panel
on Fri, Dec 07, 2001 at 10:16:42PM +1100, Andrew Sione Taumoefolau ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Fri, Dec 07, 2001 at 06:02:59PM +0800, Yu wrote: I want to use window maker as my window manager and I also install gnome on my woody box but it's to crowded with window maker dock and gnome panel together . So I want to disable my gnome panel. but I read the help document ,it says I must have one panel on my desktop Is apt-remove the only to get rid of gnome panel? Is there any other way to disable gnome panel not to uninstall it? Thanks Are you using a display manager, like gdm or xdm? (that is, do you have a graphical login?) Or do you start X from the console with startx? If the latter, just edit .xsession in your home directory so it contains wmaker and whatever other programs you'd like to run at startup -- ie, wmaker nautilus If you're using GDM or something similar you'll need app-specific instructions. So, let the list know where you're at :). That said, there's not much point in having the Gnome panel installed if you're not planning on using it :). True. My problem with numerous GNOME apps (goats comes to mind) is that they start the panel. This is one of several extremely annoying GNOME behaviors. Any possibility to override? Peace. -- Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.com http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of Gestalt don't you understand? Home of the brave http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ Land of the free Free Dmitry! Boycott Adobe! Repeal the DMCA! http://www.freesklyarov.org Geek for Hire http://kmself.home.netcom.com/resume.html pgpiPGAt5QORW.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: how to disable gnome panel
On Fri, Dec 07, 2001 at 11:18:53PM -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote: My problem with numerous GNOME apps (goats comes to mind) is that they start the panel. This is one of several extremely annoying GNOME behaviors. Any possibility to override? Maybe you're having this problem because goats isn't a GNOME app proper, but a panel applet? Other panel applets have the same (irritating) behaviour, but I've never encountered it in any real GNOME applications. I'm not sure if this is something you can override. Probably not, unfortunately. If you're averse to running the panel for screen real-estate rather than memory considerations you could create a tiny little floating panel that contained only goats... I probably wouldn't even if I could, though, it's a pretty sensibilities-offending prospect :). -- Andrew Sione Taumoefolau [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.midspark.net/shazbot/
Re: how to disable gnome panel
on Sat, Dec 08, 2001 at 07:38:39PM +1100, Andrew Sione Taumoefolau ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Fri, Dec 07, 2001 at 11:18:53PM -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote: My problem with numerous GNOME apps (goats comes to mind) is that they start the panel. This is one of several extremely annoying GNOME behaviors. Any possibility to override? Maybe you're having this problem because goats isn't a GNOME app proper, but a panel applet? I believe it's an applet, though it doesn't advertise it as same: Package: goats Priority: extra Section: x11 Installed-Size: 293 Maintainer: KiHyeon Seo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Architecture: i386 Version: 0.6-1 Description: A sticky-note type program for Gnome Goats is a yellow post-it note applet for the Gnome desktop. . It's modelled after Knotes for KDE, and is also similar to gnome-gnotes. Goats features alarms, autosaving and more.. ...though that does suggest maybe I want to look at gnome-gnoteswhich doesn't exist. Feh! Other panel applets have the same (irritating) behaviour, but I've never encountered it in any real GNOME applications. It's more than one applet I've encountered that does this. KDE's apps don't seem to have the same behavior. I'm not sure if this is something you can override. Probably not, unfortunately. If you're averse to running the panel for screen real-estate rather than memory considerations you could create a tiny little floating panel that contained only goats... I probably wouldn't even if I could, though, it's a pretty sensibilities-offending prospect :). It's not so much the memory (thought that's an issue), it's just a matter of environment / desktop control. I don't like GNOME. There are a few apps which are reasonable. I'll use them. Loading the entire environment for a single goddamned little utility is a joke though. There's a distinction between integration and interoperability I'd thought we'd learned in the 1990s. -- Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.com http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of Gestalt don't you understand? Home of the brave http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ Land of the free Free Dmitry! Boycott Adobe! Repeal the DMCA! http://www.freesklyarov.org Geek for Hire http://kmself.home.netcom.com/resume.html pgpyT2VauCIOf.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: how to disable gnome panel
On Sat, Dec 08, 2001 at 01:23:29AM -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote: ...though that does suggest maybe I want to look at gnome-gnoteswhich doesn't exist. Bad news, gnotes is actually another applet (it's in gnome-applets) :). It's not so much the memory (thought that's an issue), it's just a matter of environment / desktop control. I don't like GNOME. There are a few apps which are reasonable. I'll use them. Loading the entire environment for a single goddamned little utility is a joke though. I think restricting panel applets to running within the panel is a reasonable move, as most would probably not make much sense running outside of it, and probably depend on the panel in strange and mysterious ways. I think the problem here is that goats (and other apps that have had the same problem, assuming [probably dangerously :)] that our problem is that these panel-loading apps are indeed panel applets) should be a proper, full-fledged application that has panel representation if the user requests it, rather than a top-heavy panel app. There's a distinction between integration and interoperability I'd thought we'd learned in the 1990s. Hey, we're still making usability errors that the Mac got right almost twenty years ago. We learn slow :). -- Andrew Sione Taumoefolau [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.midspark.net/shazbot/
Re: how to disable gnome panel
On Sat, Dec 08, 2001 at 01:23:29AM -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote: | on Sat, Dec 08, 2001 at 07:38:39PM +1100, Andrew Sione Taumoefolau ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: | On Fri, Dec 07, 2001 at 11:18:53PM -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote: | My problem with numerous GNOME apps (goats comes to mind) is that they | start the panel. This is one of several extremely annoying GNOME | behaviors. Any possibility to override? | | Maybe you're having this problem because goats isn't a GNOME app | proper, but a panel applet? | | I believe it's an applet, though it doesn't advertise it as same: | Description: A sticky-note type program for Gnome | Goats is a yellow post-it note applet for the Gnome desktop. ^^ It does say just that :-). | Other panel applets have the same (irritating) behaviour, but I've | never encountered it in any real GNOME applications. | | It's more than one applet I've encountered that does this. KDE's apps | don't seem to have the same behavior. Apps or applets? There is a big difference. | I'm not sure if this is something you can override. Probably not, | unfortunately. If you're averse to running the panel for screen | real-estate rather than memory considerations you could create a tiny | little floating panel that contained only goats... I probably wouldn't | even if I could, though, it's a pretty sensibilities-offending prospect | :). | | It's not so much the memory (thought that's an issue), it's just a | matter of environment / desktop control. I don't like GNOME. There are | a few apps which are reasonable. I'll use them. Loading the entire | environment for a single goddamned little utility is a joke though. | | There's a distinction between integration and interoperability I'd | thought we'd learned in the 1990s. The GNOME Panel is a core part of the GNOME framework. I was reading a (old, I printed it quite a while ago but didn't get to reading it) document about CORBA and GNOME. It described how the panel is a CORBA servant that provides a lot of functionality for other servants that wish to use it. One of those is managing the piece of the screen where the applet can draw its pixels. I think if you want a way to run an applet without the panel, you would need to create a panel-look-alike that provided a regular GtkWindow for the applet to draw itself in. Anyways the panel is flexible enough that you can have a single panel with just that applet in it in most places on the edge of your screen. HTH, -D -- But As for me and my household, we will serve the Lord. Joshua 24:15
Re: how to disable gnome panel
on Sat, Dec 08, 2001 at 09:57:03PM +1100, Andrew Sione Taumoefolau ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Sat, Dec 08, 2001 at 01:23:29AM -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote: ...though that does suggest maybe I want to look at gnome-gnoteswhich doesn't exist. Bad news, gnotes is actually another applet (it's in gnome-applets) :). It's not so much the memory (thought that's an issue), it's just a matter of environment / desktop control. I don't like GNOME. There are a few apps which are reasonable. I'll use them. Loading the entire environment for a single goddamned little utility is a joke though. I think restricting panel applets to running within the panel is a reasonable move, as most would probably not make much sense running outside of it, and probably depend on the panel in strange and mysterious ways. Here's a suggestion (and I may pursue it): come up with a relatively handy way for allowing applets of various sorts to be run in multiple, flexible, ways. Most of the WMaker dock apps provide for this. If you really want to, you can run them standalone, or dock them to other panel types. Not all, likely but There *is* a postit client that works with WindowMaker (wmpinboard), but I find its design *really* krufty. The notes themselves are restricted to the surface of the tile, and somemthing like 55 characters. I'd rather have a tile that served as a manager for notes, but for which the notes themselves could be launched to the main desktop. May muck with this, but don't hold your breath. proper, full-fledged application that has panel representation if the user requests it, rather than a top-heavy panel app. There's a distinction between integration and interoperability I'd thought we'd learned in the 1990s. Hey, we're still making usability errors that the Mac got right almost twenty years ago. We learn slow :). GNOME seems hellbent on replicating many of the worst abuses of Microsoft integration, tying, and bundling, to no clear effect. Peace. -- Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.com http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of Gestalt don't you understand? Home of the brave http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ Land of the free Free Dmitry! Boycott Adobe! Repeal the DMCA! http://www.freesklyarov.org Geek for Hire http://kmself.home.netcom.com/resume.html pgpmaoEMjSdDV.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: how to disable gnome panel
On Sat, 2001-12-08 at 11:21, dman wrote: On Sat, Dec 08, 2001 at 01:23:29AM -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote: | on Sat, Dec 08, 2001 at 07:38:39PM +1100, Andrew Sione Taumoefolau ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: | On Fri, Dec 07, 2001 at 11:18:53PM -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote: | My problem with numerous GNOME apps (goats comes to mind) is that they | start the panel. This is one of several extremely annoying GNOME | behaviors. Any possibility to override? | | Maybe you're having this problem because goats isn't a GNOME app | proper, but a panel applet? | | I believe it's an applet, though it doesn't advertise it as same: | Description: A sticky-note type program for Gnome | Goats is a yellow post-it note applet for the Gnome desktop. ^^ It does say just that :-). | Other panel applets have the same (irritating) behaviour, but I've | never encountered it in any real GNOME applications. | | It's more than one applet I've encountered that does this. KDE's apps | don't seem to have the same behavior. Apps or applets? There is a big difference. | I'm not sure if this is something you can override. Probably not, | unfortunately. If you're averse to running the panel for screen | real-estate rather than memory considerations you could create a tiny | little floating panel that contained only goats... I probably wouldn't | even if I could, though, it's a pretty sensibilities-offending prospect | :). | | It's not so much the memory (thought that's an issue), it's just a | matter of environment / desktop control. I don't like GNOME. There are | a few apps which are reasonable. I'll use them. Loading the entire | environment for a single goddamned little utility is a joke though. | | There's a distinction between integration and interoperability I'd | thought we'd learned in the 1990s. The GNOME Panel is a core part of the GNOME framework. I was reading a (old, I printed it quite a while ago but didn't get to reading it) document about CORBA and GNOME. It described how the panel is a CORBA servant that provides a lot of functionality for other servants that wish to use it. One of those is managing the piece of the screen where the applet can draw its pixels. I think if you want a way to run an applet without the panel, you would need to create a panel-look-alike that provided a regular GtkWindow for the applet to draw itself in. Anyways the panel is flexible enough that you can have a single panel with just that applet in it in most places on the edge of your screen. Have you tried just closing the panel once it opens? Or if it insits on opening one, just keeping it collapsed at all times? You can configure the panel (gnome-main-menu-panel-properties-size) to ultra-tiny (12) pixels to minimize impact and also set the level to below so it's not in the way as a workaround. --mike
how to disable gnome panel
I want to use window maker as my window manager and I also install gnome on my woody box but it's to crowded with window maker dock and gnome panel together . So I want to disable my gnome panel. but I read the help document ,it says I must have one panel on my desktop Is apt-remove the only to get rid of gnome panel? Is there any other way to disable gnome panel not to uninstall it? Thanks RayCherng
Re: how to disable gnome panel
On Fri, Dec 07, 2001 at 06:02:59PM +0800, Yu wrote: I want to use window maker as my window manager and I also install gnome on my woody box but it's to crowded with window maker dock and gnome panel together . So I want to disable my gnome panel. but I read the help document ,it says I must have one panel on my desktop Is apt-remove the only to get rid of gnome panel? Is there any other way to disable gnome panel not to uninstall it? Thanks Are you using a display manager, like gdm or xdm? (that is, do you have a graphical login?) Or do you start X from the console with startx? If the latter, just edit .xsession in your home directory so it contains wmaker and whatever other programs you'd like to run at startup -- ie, wmaker nautilus If you're using GDM or something similar you'll need app-specific instructions. So, let the list know where you're at :). That said, there's not much point in having the Gnome panel installed if you're not planning on using it :). -- Andrew Sione Taumoefolau [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.midspark.net/shazbot/
Re: how to disable gnome panel
On Friday, 07. Dec. 2001 at 22:16:42, Andrew Sione Taumoefolau wrote: graphical login?) Or do you start X from the console with startx? If the latter, just edit .xsession in your home directory so it contains wmaker and whatever other programs you'd like to run at startup -- ie, wmaker nautilus Hello Sione, I don't think this is the right way. I think that the calling of the windowmanager must be the last argument in ~/.xsession. Like this: nautilus other programs exec wmaker I have several .xsession for every windowmanager in my home and they all follow this sequence. CU Michael PS: If this is not right, can somebody correct me? -- Registred Linux-User: 183712 GnuPG Key: B3F038DC GnuPG-fingerprint: 21A7 B384 6629 F320 8AFC A2B5 4071 E5C3 B3F0 38DC
Re: how to disable gnome panel
On Fri, Dec 07, 2001 at 02:08:20PM +0100, Michael Wagner wrote: On Friday, 07. Dec. 2001 at 22:16:42, Andrew Sione Taumoefolau wrote: graphical login?) Or do you start X from the console with startx? If the latter, just edit .xsession in your home directory so it contains wmaker and whatever other programs you'd like to run at startup -- ie, wmaker nautilus Hello Sione, I don't think this is the right way. I think that the calling of the windowmanager must be the last argument in ~/.xsession. It doesn't really matter if the last thing is the window manager particularly, but certainly the example above won't work: because wmaker is run in the foreground (without ''), nautilus won't be run until it exits. When your .xsession script terminates, so does your X session, and you'll be logged out. The last thing in your .xsession should therefore be something long-running. Most people use a window manager or a session manager for this, but it's also possible to use an xterm, xconsole, or something along those lines. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to disable gnome panel
On Fri, Dec 07, 2001 at 02:08:20PM +0100, Michael Wagner wrote: I don't think this is the right way. I think that the calling of the windowmanager must be the last argument in ~/.xsession. Like this: snip! PS: If this is not right, can somebody correct me? I am the king of idiots. You are indeed right :). -- Andrew Sione Taumoefolau [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.midspark.net/shazbot/
Re: how to disable gnome panel
On Fri, Dec 07, 2001 at 06:02:59PM +0800, Yu wrote: I want to use window maker as my window manager and I also install gnome on my woody box but it's to crowded with window maker dock and gnome panel together . So I want to disable my gnome panel. but I read the help document ,it says I must have one panel on my desktop Is apt-remove the only to get rid of gnome panel? Is there any other way to disable gnome panel not to uninstall it? Thanks Are you using a display manager, like gdm or xdm? (that is, do you have a graphical login?) Or do you start X from the console with startx? If the latter, just edit .xsession in your home directory so it contains wmaker and whatever other programs you'd like to run at startup -- ie, wmaker nautilus If you're using GDM or something similar you'll need app-specific instructions. So, let the list know where you're at :). That said, there's not much point in having the Gnome panel installed if you're not planning on using it :). I use xdm and how should I do? Thanks
