Re: how to download the packages in Debian testing non-free before installing?
Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com writes: On Lu, 23 ian 12, 15:55:04, lee wrote: Andrei Popescu andreimpope...@gmail.com writes: No, you don't need LVM and even the grub in squeeze can boot from md devices. Apparently it can´t boot from RAID on this laptop. I have tried a lot of different configurations, i. e. with LVM and without and with different partition layouts. Either grub couldn´t be installed or when booting the system from the harddisk after the installation finished, grub got stuck at the Welcome to grub message before showing the boot menu. Other than make sure you are using grub2 (package grub-pc) I can give you no advise. The only system with RAID I do maintain was installed via debootstrap, not D-I. It seems to be grub2, since grub-pc v. 1.99-14 and grub2-common are installed. Perhaps it´s some problem with the hardware in this laptop that makes it fail ... like the graphical installer cannot be used because the mouse doesn´t work in it (Synaptics touchpad). I can´t seem to get the discrete graphics card to produce any output on the screen, either, though apparently I can switch between the cards just fine. I might have to make another thread about that ... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87obttbfpm@songoku.yagibdah.de
Re: how to download the packages in Debian testing non-free before installing?
Andrei Popescu andreimpope...@gmail.com writes: On Jo, 19 ian 12, 01:20:18, lee wrote: Well, this laptop has two harddrives out of which I´ll make a software RAID-1. Last time I checked, installing and booting from a RAID was only possible by using LVM (and md), and the d/i of Testing was able to do that pretty easily for me. No, you don't need LVM and even the grub in squeeze can boot from md devices. Apparently it can´t boot from RAID on this laptop. I have tried a lot of different configurations, i. e. with LVM and without and with different partition layouts. Either grub couldn´t be installed or when booting the system from the harddisk after the installation finished, grub got stuck at the Welcome to grub message before showing the boot menu. Without RAID, it works, so I resorted to installing without RAID and setting up a RAID-1 later. So far, only /home is on RAID. BTW, I couldn´t figure out how to create an encrypted partition with the installer. Every time when the installer tried to make one, it got stuck in the process of creating it. Is this feature buggy? The wireless card turned out to be the smallest problem. It worked just fine with the firmware on an USB stick. Thanks for your help! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87r4yq8ld3@songoku.yagibdah.de
Re: how to download the packages in Debian testing non-free before installing?
Andrei Popescu andreimpope...@gmail.com writes: On Jo, 19 ian 12, 01:20:18, lee wrote: Well, this laptop has two harddrives out of which I´ll make a software RAID-1. Last time I checked, installing and booting from a RAID was only possible by using LVM (and md), and the d/i of Testing was able to do that pretty easily for me. No, you don't need LVM and even the grub in squeeze can boot from md devices. Apparently it can´t boot from RAID on this laptop. I have tried a lot of different configurations, i. e. with LVM and without and with different partition layouts. Either grub couldn´t be installed or when booting the system from the harddisk after the installation finished, grub got stuck at the Welcome to grub message before showing the boot menu. Without RAID, it works, so I resorted to installing without RAID and setting up a RAID-1 later. So far, only /home is on RAID. BTW, I couldn´t figure out how to create an encrypted partition with the installer. Every time when the installer tried to make one, it got stuck in the process of creating it. Is this feature buggy? The wireless card turned out to be the smallest problem. It worked just fine with the firmware on an USB stick. Thanks for your help! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/874nvmgyi4@songoku.yagibdah.de
Re: how to download the packages in Debian testing non-free before installing?
On Lu, 23 ian 12, 15:55:04, lee wrote: Andrei Popescu andreimpope...@gmail.com writes: On Jo, 19 ian 12, 01:20:18, lee wrote: Well, this laptop has two harddrives out of which I´ll make a software RAID-1. Last time I checked, installing and booting from a RAID was only possible by using LVM (and md), and the d/i of Testing was able to do that pretty easily for me. No, you don't need LVM and even the grub in squeeze can boot from md devices. Apparently it can´t boot from RAID on this laptop. I have tried a lot of different configurations, i. e. with LVM and without and with different partition layouts. Either grub couldn´t be installed or when booting the system from the harddisk after the installation finished, grub got stuck at the Welcome to grub message before showing the boot menu. Other than make sure you are using grub2 (package grub-pc) I can give you no advise. The only system with RAID I do maintain was installed via debootstrap, not D-I. Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: how to download the packages in Debian testing non-free before installing?
Have you thought of downloading and trying a Debian live install image (e.g., http://www.debian.org/CD/live/index.en.html )? With it you should be able to get a running system with internet connection and USB storage ability without touching the hard drive. In case something doesn't work with your permanent Debian installation you can always boot with the live system and get what you need via internet. -- Best regards, Jörg-Volker. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jf8mnc$7er$1...@dough.gmane.org
Re: how to download the packages in Debian testing non-free before installing?
On Jo, 19 ian 12, 10:11:08, Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote: Have you thought of downloading and trying a Debian live install image (e.g., http://www.debian.org/CD/live/index.en.html )? With it you should be able to get a running system with internet connection and USB storage ability without touching the hard drive. In case something doesn't work with your permanent Debian installation you can always boot with the live system and get what you need via internet. The live system still needs the non-free firmware. It can work, but you need to manually install the firmware on every boot. Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: how to download the packages in Debian testing non-free before installing?
On Jo, 19 ian 12, 01:20:18, lee wrote: Well, this laptop has two harddrives out of which I´ll make a software RAID-1. Last time I checked, installing and booting from a RAID was only possible by using LVM (and md), and the d/i of Testing was able to do that pretty easily for me. No, you don't need LVM and even the grub in squeeze can boot from md devices. Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: how to download the packages in Debian testing non-free before installing?
On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 09:49:49PM -0500, Stefan Monnier wrote: Another alternative is to do the install on another machine, and then to move/clone the resulting partition. Most of my Debian installs were done by cloning an existing system rather than going through the debian-installation process. Stefan hi Stefan, It is very interesting, could you please describe some details? Such as booting, transfer files, install boot loader, etc.al. Thanks. -- Chen Wei -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120119134942.GA9604@Tungsten
how to download the packages in Debian testing non-free before installing?
Hi, how do I download the packages in the non-free section and make them useable by the Debian installer before starting the installation? The problem is installing Debian on a laptop with wireless only. So I need to dowload all the DVDs before starting the installation, and still the software needed to get the wirless card (Intel Centrino Wireless-N 1030) working is in the non-free section which won´t be on the DVDs[1]. There seem to be (unofficial) CD-images with the firmware on them[2]. Are these the right ones to get? What might be the best way to go about this? [1]: http://wiki.debian.org/iwlagn [2]: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/testing/current/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f172461.7030...@yun.yagibdah.de
Re: how to download the packages in Debian testing non-free before installing?
On Wed 18 Jan 2012 at 19:58:25 +, lee wrote: how do I download the packages in the non-free section and make them useable by the Debian installer before starting the installation? You don't. The problem is installing Debian on a laptop with wireless only. So I need to dowload all the DVDs before starting the installation, and still the software needed to get the wirless card (Intel Centrino Wireless-N 1030) working is in the non-free section which won´t be on the DVDs[1]. Most probably it's the firmware you require. This can be provided to d-i on a USB stick. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120118201233.GB17235@desktop
Re: how to download the packages in Debian testing non-free before installing?
On 2012-01-18 20:58 +0100, lee wrote: Hi, how do I download the packages in the non-free section and make them useable by the Debian installer before starting the installation? Download any needed packages on another computer and put them on a USB stick that you plug in when you install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s04.html. The problem is installing Debian on a laptop with wireless only. So I need to dowload all the DVDs before starting the installation, No, you don't. The first DVD (or CD) should be sufficient. and still the software needed to get the wirless card (Intel Centrino Wireless-N 1030) working is in the non-free section which won´t be on the DVDs[1]. There seem to be (unofficial) CD-images with the firmware on them[2]. Are these the right ones to get? What might be the best way to go about this? On [2] you only find the firmware which you have to put on a USB stick. There are also netinst CD images which already include the firmware under http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/, those also have the minimally necessary packages for setting up WiFi, in particular wpasupplicant. The Squeeze installer itself does not support WPA, but the Wheezy installer does. Sven -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87d3agwy2l@turtle.gmx.de
Re: how to download the packages in Debian testing non-free before installing?
Sven Joachim wrote: On 2012-01-18 20:58 +0100, lee wrote: Hi, how do I download the packages in the non-free section and make them useable by the Debian installer before starting the installation? Download any needed packages on another computer and put them on a USB stick that you plug in when you install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s04.html. Unfortunately, I don´t have another computer available, and the laptop is setup so badly from factory with Windoze that I will have to remove Windoze completely because I can´t shrink the partition to a reasonable size. And they didn´t deliver any installation media with it :(( If the installation fails, I will have to restore the laptop from the backups I made on DVDs, download whatever I need and start over again. So I want to make sure the installation doesn´t fail before I start. The problem is installing Debian on a laptop with wireless only. So I need to dowload all the DVDs before starting the installation, No, you don't. The first DVD (or CD) should be sufficient. Will I be able to get the wireless working with the first DVD before making any changes to the hard disks? and still the software needed to get the wirless card (Intel Centrino Wireless-N 1030) working is in the non-free section which won´t be on the DVDs[1]. There seem to be (unofficial) CD-images with the firmware on them[2]. Are these the right ones to get? What might be the best way to go about this? On [2] you only find the firmware which you have to put on a USB stick. There are also netinst CD images which already include the firmware under http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/, those also have the minimally necessary packages for setting up WiFi, in particular wpasupplicant. Hm, what´s the point in having the firmware only and not the software to get the wireless card to work? Apparently, I need software from the non-free section which isn´t included on the DVDs, so having the firmware only get´s me no more than like half the way. The Squeeze installer itself does not support WPA, but the Wheezy installer does. Wheezy is Testing, afair? I want to install Testing anyway: Will that work with the D/I from testing when I have the firmware ready, or will there still be software (from non-free) missing needed to make a wireless connection? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f1741aa.30...@yun.yagibdah.de
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Brian wrote: On Wed 18 Jan 2012 at 19:58:25 +, lee wrote: how do I download the packages in the non-free section and make them useable by the Debian installer before starting the installation? You don't. Then how do I get them? The problem is installing Debian on a laptop with wireless only. So I need to dowload all the DVDs before starting the installation, and still the software needed to get the wirless card (Intel Centrino Wireless-N 1030) working is in the non-free section which won´t be on the DVDs[1]. Most probably it's the firmware you require. This can be provided to d-i on a USB stick. Ok, and how do I set up a wireless connection without the software from non-free when I have only the firmware? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f1741cb.7050...@yun.yagibdah.de
Re: how to download the packages in Debian testing non-free before installing?
On Mi, 18 ian 12, 22:03:22, lee wrote: Will I be able to get the wireless working with the first DVD before making any changes to the hard disks? Network setup is before the partitioning step, at least you can stop if you can't get wireless working and start over. Hm, what´s the point in having the firmware only and not the software to get the wireless card to work? Apparently, I need software from the non-free section which isn´t included on the DVDs, so having the firmware only get´s me no more than like half the way. What software exactly do you need from non-free? Are you sure it's not the firmware? The Squeeze installer itself does not support WPA, but the Wheezy installer does. Wheezy is Testing, afair? I want to install Testing anyway: Will that work with the D/I from testing when I have the firmware ready, or will there still be software (from non-free) missing needed to make a wireless connection? What software do you expect to be using from non-free (except the firmware)? Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: how to download the packages in Debian testing non-free before installing?
On 2012-01-18 23:03 +0100, lee wrote: Sven Joachim wrote: On 2012-01-18 20:58 +0100, lee wrote: Hi, how do I download the packages in the non-free section and make them useable by the Debian installer before starting the installation? Download any needed packages on another computer and put them on a USB stick that you plug in when you install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s04.html. Unfortunately, I don´t have another computer available, and the laptop is setup so badly from factory with Windoze that I will have to remove Windoze completely because I can´t shrink the partition to a reasonable size. And they didn´t deliver any installation media with it :(( If the installation fails, I will have to restore the laptop from the backups I made on DVDs, download whatever I need and start over again. So I want to make sure the installation doesn´t fail before I start. The problem is installing Debian on a laptop with wireless only. So I need to dowload all the DVDs before starting the installation, No, you don't. The first DVD (or CD) should be sufficient. Will I be able to get the wireless working with the first DVD before making any changes to the hard disks? If you want to get it working during installation, you have to provide the firmware, e.g. on a USB stick. And if you need WPA/WPA2 support, you need a recent version of the Debian installer. Hm, what´s the point in having the firmware only and not the software to get the wireless card to work? Apparently, I need software from the non-free section which isn´t included on the DVDs, so having the firmware only get´s me no more than like half the way. No, what makes you think so? There should be a driver for your card in the kernel, unless the device is too new. And it's only the firmware which is not free. The Squeeze installer itself does not support WPA, but the Wheezy installer does. Wheezy is Testing, afair? I want to install Testing anyway: Will that work with the D/I from testing when I have the firmware ready, Probably, although you may run into other bugs. or will there still be software (from non-free) missing needed to make a wireless connection? I don't think Debian even ships any software related to wireless in non-free, except for firmware. Sven -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87r4ywvee3@turtle.gmx.de
Re: how to download the packages in Debian testing non-free before installing?
On Wed 18 Jan 2012 at 22:03:22 +, lee wrote: Hm, what´s the point in having the firmware only and not the software to get the wireless card to work? Apparently, I need software from the non-free section which isn´t included on the DVDs, so having the firmware only get´s me no more than like half the way. Please have a closer read of http://wiki.debian.org/iwlagn where it says iwlagn is a module produced by the iwlwifi Linux kernel driver, The module is the only software you need. It is free software. The firmware, on the other hand, isn't. Both together get you all the way there. Wheezy is Testing, afair? I want to install Testing anyway: Will that work with the D/I from testing when I have the firmware ready, or will there still be software (from non-free) missing needed to make a wireless connection? Early in the install (detecting network hardware) you should be informed about missing non-free firmware and asked to supply it. d-i is set up to look for it on a USB stick. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120118225837.GC17235@desktop
Re: Fwd: Re: how to download the packages in Debian testing non-free before installing?
On Wed 18 Jan 2012 at 22:03:55 +, lee wrote: Then how do I get them? A misunderstanding on my part. I had visions of your wanting a considerable number of non-free packages! Apologies. All you need are the firmware files from a firmware-iwlwifi .deb or .tar.gz. Ok, and how do I set up a wireless connection without the software from non-free when I have only the firmware? We are both capable of misunderstanding. :) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120118231956.GD17235@desktop
Re: how to download the packages in Debian testing non-free before installing?
On 19/01/12 06:58, lee wrote: Hi, how do I download the packages in the non-free section and make them useable by the Debian installer before starting the installation? snipped Easy[*1]:- # apt-get -d install example_package/s example_package/s will not be installed, but will be in /var/cache/apt/archives. Likewise any packages required by that install. then, at your leisure:- # apt-get install example_package/s You can do the later any time, apt (which calls dpkg) will always look in /var/cache/apt/archives before downloading. There is bound to be an equivalent for aptitude - I don't have it installed so I can't look up the man/info for you. [*1] for multiple packages just append them to the apt-get eg.:- apt-get -d install [*2] -d is the short form of --download-only NOTE: -s (the short form of --simulate) in other words, show me what would happen. You will always get always get a chance to see what, and how large a download and install space required, before the apt-get install is effected (a Y/N to proceed prompt). *Unless* you use the -y parameter Cheers -- Iceweasel/Firefox extensions for finding answers to Debian questions:- https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/collections/Scott_Ferguson/debian/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f17604f@gmail.com
Re: how to download the packages in Debian testing non-free before installing?
On 19/01/12 11:14, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 19/01/12 06:58, lee wrote: Hi, how do I download the packages in the non-free section and make them useable by the Debian installer before starting the installation? snipped Easy[*1]:- # apt-get -d install example_package/s Ignore that noise - I heard installation as installation of packages *not* installation of the OS. Why you'd want to do instead of building from a netinstall CD (with any required firmware packages) is another question. However:- You 'could' use apt-zip[*1] or the apt-get -d with a live CD and then:- # cp /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb somewhere_convenient. Reverse that process after installation of the base packages. [*1] http://wiki.debian.org/AptZip Cheers -- Iceweasel/Firefox extensions for finding answers to Debian questions:- https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/collections/Scott_Ferguson/debian/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f17626f.7080...@gmail.com
Re: how to download the packages in Debian testing non-free before installing?
Andrei Popescu wrote: On Mi, 18 ian 12, 22:03:22, lee wrote: Will I be able to get the wireless working with the first DVD before making any changes to the hard disks? Network setup is before the partitioning step, at least you can stop if you can't get wireless working and start over. Cool, I can try the unofficial installer first then. Hm, what´s the point in having the firmware only and not the software to get the wireless card to work? Apparently, I need software from the non-free section which isn´t included on the DVDs, so having the firmware only get´s me no more than like half the way. What software exactly do you need from non-free? Are you sure it's not the firmware? According to [1], I need the firmware-iwlwifi and wireless-tools packages from the non-free section. I could download them before starting the installation and might end up having to dowload more packages to resolve dependencies ... [1]: http://wiki.debian.org/iwlagn -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f176465.2090...@yun.yagibdah.de
Re: how to download the packages in Debian testing non-free before installing?
Sven Joachim wrote: On 2012-01-18 23:03 +0100, lee wrote: Sven Joachim wrote: On 2012-01-18 20:58 +0100, lee wrote: Will I be able to get the wireless working with the first DVD before making any changes to the hard disks? If you want to get it working during installation, you have to provide the firmware, e.g. on a USB stick. And if you need WPA/WPA2 support, you need a recent version of the Debian installer. Yes, I do need WPA/WPA2 support --- and it seems that for the wireless card, I will also need the firmware. Hm, what´s the point in having the firmware only and not the software to get the wireless card to work? Apparently, I need software from the non-free section which isn´t included on the DVDs, so having the firmware only get´s me no more than like half the way. No, what makes you think so? There should be a driver for your card in the kernel, unless the device is too new. And it's only the firmware which is not free. The instructions on [1] make me think so. They tell me to add the non-free section to apts sources list, to update the list of available packages and then to install the firmware-iwlwifi and wireless-tools packages. However, before these packages are installed, I can´t get a wireless connection, and without the wireless connection, I cannot install these packages because I cannot download anything at all. And these packages are not included in the DVD or CD images that are available for download, either. Are there any DVD or CD images of the non-free section for download? [1]: http://wiki.debian.org/iwlagn The Squeeze installer itself does not support WPA, but the Wheezy installer does. Wheezy is Testing, afair? I want to install Testing anyway: Will that work with the D/I from testing when I have the firmware ready, Probably, although you may run into other bugs. Hm, is the current installer too buggy to be usable? I´ve had that before ... or will there still be software (from non-free) missing needed to make a wireless connection? I don't think Debian even ships any software related to wireless in non-free, except for firmware. Hmmm ... So before I start, I might download the official installer, the unofficial installer and the firmware and first see how far I get with the official installer and the firmware. If that doesn´t work, I can still try the unofficial installer. That sounds like a plan :) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f17692c.2030...@yun.yagibdah.de
Re: how to download the packages in Debian testing non-free before installing?
Brian wrote: Please have a closer read of http://wiki.debian.org/iwlagn where it says iwlagn is a module produced by the iwlwifi Linux kernel driver, The module is the only software you need. It is free software. The firmware, on the other hand, isn't. Both together get you all the way there. Wheezy is Testing, afair? I want to install Testing anyway: Will that work with the D/I from testing when I have the firmware ready, or will there still be software (from non-free) missing needed to make a wireless connection? Early in the install (detecting network hardware) you should be informed about missing non-free firmware and asked to supply it. d-i is set up to look for it on a USB stick. You´re probably right: When I look at the wireless-tools package, it doesn´t seem to be in the non-free section, only the firmware is. I´ll put it onto an USB stick and give it a try ... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f176c2f.8000...@yun.yagibdah.de
Re: how to download the packages in Debian testing non-free before installing?
On Thu 19 Jan 2012 at 00:31:33 +, lee wrote: According to [1], I need the firmware-iwlwifi and wireless-tools packages from the non-free section. I could download them before starting the installation and might end up having to dowload more packages to resolve dependencies ... wireless-tools is in main - not non-free. And you do not need it. d-i comes with all the software needed to configure a wireless connection. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120119005531.GE17235@desktop
Re: how to download the packages in Debian testing non-free before installing?
Scott Ferguson wrote: Ignore that noise - I heard installation as installation of packages *not* installation of the OS. Oh, ok :) Why you'd want to do instead of building from a netinstall CD (with any required firmware packages) is another question. However:- You 'could' use apt-zip[*1] or the apt-get -d with a live CD and then:- # cp /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb somewhere_convenient. Reverse that process after installation of the base packages. [*1] http://wiki.debian.org/AptZip Well, this laptop has two harddrives out of which I´ll make a software RAID-1. Last time I checked, installing and booting from a RAID was only possible by using LVM (and md), and the d/i of Testing was able to do that pretty easily for me. I just want something that works the way I need it to, without having to do trial and error and having to put Windoze back on the laptop to be able to burn more CDs or DVDs and then making another try. Some things built into this laptop might never work and it won´t really matter (like I really don´t need a fingerprint scanner ...), but if I can´t get the wireless card to work, I´m screwed. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f176fa5.3090...@yun.yagibdah.de
Re: how to download the packages in Debian testing non-free before installing?
Scott Ferguson wrote: Ignore that noise - I heard installation as installation of packages *not* installation of the OS. Oh, ok :) Why you'd want to do instead of building from a netinstall CD (with any required firmware packages) is another question. However:- You 'could' use apt-zip[*1] or the apt-get -d with a live CD and then:- # cp /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb somewhere_convenient. Reverse that process after installation of the base packages. [*1] http://wiki.debian.org/AptZip Well, this laptop has two harddrives out of which I´ll make a software RAID-1. Last time I checked, installing and booting from a RAID was only possible by using LVM (and md), and the d/i of Testing was able to do that pretty easily for me. I just want something that works the way I need it to, without having to do trial and error and having to put Windoze back on the laptop to be able to burn more CDs or DVDs and then making another try. Some things built into this laptop might never work and it won´t really matter (like I really don´t need a fingerprint scanner ...), but if I can´t get the wireless card to work, I´m screwed. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f176fd2.8030...@yun.yagibdah.de
Re: how to download the packages in Debian testing non-free before installing?
On 19/01/12 12:19, lee wrote: Scott Ferguson wrote: Ignore that noise - I heard installation as installation of packages *not* installation of the OS. Oh, ok :) Why you'd want to do instead of building from a netinstall CD (with any required firmware packages) is another question. However:- You 'could' use apt-zip[*1] or the apt-get -d with a live CD and then:- # cp /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb somewhere_convenient. Reverse that process after installation of the base packages. [*1] http://wiki.debian.org/AptZip Well, this laptop has two harddrives out of which I´ll make a software RAID-1. Last time I checked, installing and booting from a RAID was only possible by using LVM (and md), and the d/i of Testing was able to do that pretty easily for me. I just want something that works the way I need it to, without having to do trial and error and having to put Windoze back on the laptop to be able to burn more CDs or DVDs and then making another try. Some things built into this laptop might never work and it won´t really matter (like I really don´t need a fingerprint scanner ...), but if I can´t get the wireless card to work, I´m screwed. You can try testing with a Debian Live CD/USB first. These are sometimes useful for checking whether the path is well trodden (look for you laptop there - or ask here on the list):- http://www.linux-laptop.net/ http://tuxmobil.org/ Cheers -- Iceweasel/Firefox extensions for finding answers to Debian questions:- https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/collections/Scott_Ferguson/debian/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f1770ee.1050...@gmail.com
Re: how to download the packages in Debian testing non-free before installing?
Scott Ferguson wrote: On 19/01/12 12:08, lee wrote: Scott Ferguson wrote: On 19/01/12 06:58, lee wrote: Hi, how do I download the packages in the non-free section and make them useable by the Debian installer before starting the installation? snipped Easy[*1]:- # apt-get -d install example_package/s Uhm, currently I have only Windoze 7 on this laptop ... Use a live CD(?) (and see the post I sent following the one you've replied to) From http://live.debian.net/ ? That might work or not ... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f17723b.90...@yun.yagibdah.de
Re: how to download the packages in Debian testing non-free before installing?
On Thu 19 Jan 2012 at 00:51:56 +, lee wrote: Sven Joachim wrote: No, what makes you think so? There should be a driver for your card in the kernel, unless the device is too new. And it's only the firmware which is not free. The instructions on [1] make me think so. They tell me to add the non-free section to apts sources list, to update the list of available packages and then to install the firmware-iwlwifi and wireless-tools packages. However, before these packages are installed, I can´t get a wireless connection, and without the wireless connection, I cannot install these packages because I cannot download anything at all. And these packages are not included in the DVD or CD images that are available for download, either. The installer is built from special packages called udebs. They contain everything which is required to set up a network connection. For example, there is a udeb to configure a WPA connection. The instructions you cite are for an already intalled and running system. Very nicely, d-i it will get the .deb packages for you when you get to its installing software part. Are there any DVD or CD images of the non-free section for download? My visions weren't too far from the mark, then. Probably, although you may run into other bugs. Hm, is the current installer too buggy to be usable? I´ve had that before ... No. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120119011534.GF17235@desktop
Re: how to download the packages in Debian testing non-free before installing?
Most probably it's the firmware you require. This can be provided to d-i on a USB stick. Another alternative is to do the install on another machine, and then to move/clone the resulting partition. Most of my Debian installs were done by cloning an existing system rather than going through the debian-installation process. Stefan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jwvmx9kpfur.fsf-monnier+gmane.linux.debian.u...@gnu.org
