Re: how to update Debian OS properly
On Lu, 28 mai 12, 02:21:39, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote: [snip] Must read: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ (or as package debian-reference) Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: how to update Debian OS properly
On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: On Vi, 25 mai 12, 15:36:40, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Fri, 2012-05-25 at 18:28 +0500, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote: In conclusion i found out that i should stick to stable and should not play with the source list until unless it is necessary. even if i add a repo then i must comment it after installing the whatever package Yesno. I'll say yes, somebody else might recommend http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html That article, while still useful, - mentions non-US which has been discontinued long time ago (sarge?) - uses sources + pinning by release not code-name[1] [1] this may be due to a bug in apt where pinning by codename was not possible, fixed in the meantime (lenny?). I seem to remember the Debian Reference has a good guide to pinning and it is up-to-date (thanks to Osamu Aoki). I remember but I can't find a confirmation via google that apt-get has been patched so that, if you're running stable, apt-get package/testing now meets dependencies from testing just like apt-get -t testing package does (which contradicts the url above). Can anyone confirm or infirm this? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOdo=SxG33vYkYiomRycpKQu6pTZXJKVwoBLojx0gyjy...@mail.gmail.com
Re: how to update Debian OS properly
On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 10:39 PM, Lisi lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday 26 May 2012 18:04:35 Andrei POPESCU wrote: I seem to remember the Debian Reference has a good guide to pinning and it is up-to-date (thanks to Osamu Aoki). Given the OP's confusion, and the fact that he states his main aim as not crashing, would he not do better to stick to pure Squeeze for now? Hopefully, more use of Linux will enable him to stop trying to mimic Windows - a job which Windows itself does rather well ;-) true :-) Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201205261839.42048.lisi.re...@gmail.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAGWVfMn=D6FyArU1Ha6OWC0C=tLDq-2EPH=G09=a28uti1u...@mail.gmail.com
Re: how to update Debian OS properly
On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 7:17 PM, Lisi lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday 26 May 2012 12:43:45 you wrote: I prefer to use aptitude full-upgrade routinely - but I have the code name in my sources.list, not stable or testing. I then change the code name when I want to get the more recent version. So, Squeeze not stable, Muhammad. you could get in quite a mess at the changeover point from Squeeze to Wheezy if you have stable in your sources.list, as several people have pointed out. if i use Squeeze (the code name) instead stable, sid or anything. should i not to worry about system crash? is it what people here mean to say (who support code name squeeze ) that if i apt-get upgrade/full-upgrade/safe-upgrade will not crash my system if using squeeze. because what i am worried about here is system crash. I'm afraid that I don't understand you. Why should you have a system crash? I'm afraid that I don't understand you. Why should you have a system crash? i know my question regarding comparing Windows and Linux a bit annoying, but i had bad experiences with upgrading windows from one version to another one. and in linux i just run the command ap-get upgrade and after few minutes i was working in wheezy regardless of sid or testing (so the simplicity of the process left me very confuse). i know how patches and service packs in windows can turn people's life to nightmare. actually i am the only resource in system and network in my company and i am the only one who is motivating management to shift to linux. so i am a bit scared. because this is new world to me. however i learn too much from this thread and from this mailing list. i am thankful to everyone for sharing your views/thoughts/suggestions . i know remaining confusions will be clears after getting use to with linux. Thanks And what are you trying to achieve? Always use code names, and incidentally Sid is the code-name for unstable, a code-name which never changes. So choose which you want. From the sound of things you want Squeeze. Install Squeeze. Check that Squeeze is in your sources.list, and only Squeeze at this stage. No mention of stable or anything else. Update Squeeze. (aptitude update followed by aptitude full-upgrade or aptitude safe-upgrade.) From then on you will only basically get security updates, though there are periodic point releases for Squeeze to iron out some remaining bugs etc. For now, and while you bed down with Debian/Linux, simply ignore all mentions of Wheezy, stable, Sid, unstable, testing etc. Time enough to come to terms with those when you understand fully what is going on or when Wheezy has become Stable and Squeeze is Old Stable. apt is now preferred to aptitude by many on this list, but I am more familiar with aptitude, and might have got the commands slightly wrong had I attempted to give you them. (I did last time that I did so.) But for what you are doing now, either is fine, and when it comes to upgrading to a new release, the release notes will tell you which to use. But above all, keep things simple for now. And when you ask a question, try to express it without reference to Windows. Many of us do not use Windows, and in my case I have not done so since Windows 98, which I don't remember very well. HTH Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201205261517.08770.lisi.re...@gmail.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAGWVfMmnt=secmo8vujuagi8qft6co5iptpj_ee-9krrrm4...@mail.gmail.com
Re: how to update Debian OS properly
On Sunday 27 May 2012 22:21:39 you wrote: On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 7:17 PM, Lisi lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday 26 May 2012 12:43:45 you wrote: I prefer to use aptitude full-upgrade routinely - but I have the code name in my sources.list, not stable or testing. I then change the code name when I want to get the more recent version. So, Squeeze not stable, Muhammad. you could get in quite a mess at the changeover point from Squeeze to Wheezy if you have stable in your sources.list, as several people have pointed out. if i use Squeeze (the code name) instead stable, sid or anything. should i not to worry about system crash? is it what people here mean to say (who support code name squeeze ) that if i apt-get upgrade/full-upgrade/safe-upgrade will not crash my system if using squeeze. because what i am worried about here is system crash. I'm afraid that I don't understand you. Why should you have a system crash? i know my question regarding comparing Windows and Linux a bit annoying, No, it is not annoying - merely somewhat difficult to follow. Here, we have been an all-Unix house for some years. We were all-Linux until recently, but my granddaughter has a new laptop, which is a Mac with OSX, so still Unix. So I am not very au fait with Windows problems. but i had bad experiences with upgrading windows from one version to another one. and in linux i just run the command ap-get upgrade and after few minutes i was working in wheezy regardless of sid or testing (so the simplicity of the process left me very confuse). i know how patches and service packs in windows can turn people's life to nightmare. actually i am the only resource in system and network in my company and i am the only one who is motivating management to shift to linux. so i am a bit scared. because this is new world to me. Your description of life under Windows shows why many of us simply don't use Windows. In your shoes most of us would be scared. Well, I certainly would be. It's a huge responsibility, and the buck stops with you! however i learn too much from this thread and from this mailing list. i am thankful to everyone for sharing your views/thoughts/suggestions . i know remaining confusions will be clears after getting use to with linux. Just ask whenever there is something you don't understand. One of the beauties of this list is that it is a) large and b) worldwide. So, what with all the different time zones there is always someone around. And yes, you will soon get used to Linux. But from what you say, I really would stick to Squeeze for now, provided that it is OK on your hardware. Get it going rock-solid and you will soon win converts. Time enough to fly in the rarefied regions of pinning and mixed systems when you have really found your feet. Good luck! Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201205272257.19822.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: how to update Debian OS properly
On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 1:30 AM, Lisi lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday 25 May 2012 18:23:37 Tom H wrote: On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 11:53 AM, Mika Suomalainen mika.henrik.mai...@hotmail.com wrote: On 25.05.2012 15:49, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Fri, 2012-05-25 at 17:37 +0500, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote: deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main deb-src http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian sid main You're issue is related to the sid repository. If you need something from sid, then uncomment it and after that comment it. Don't feel secure using pinning. You can name the repositories stable instead of squeeze, so it will use stable what ever Debian stable is named. Is it safe to use stable instead of squeeze? Are there usually any conflicts or anything what would need full-upgrade whenever new stable is named? No. No need for aptitude full-upgrade, even apt-get upgrade/aptitude safe-upgrade will pull in wheezy (partially) when it becomes stable. I prefer to use aptitude full-upgrade routinely - but I have the code name in my sources.list, not stable or testing. I then change the code name when I want to get the more recent version. So, Squeeze not stable, Muhammad. you could get in quite a mess at the changeover point from Squeeze to Wheezy if you have stable in your sources.list, as several people have pointed out. if i use Squeeze (the code name) instead stable, sid or anything. should i not to worry about system crash? is it what people here mean to say (who support code name squeeze ) that if i apt-get upgrade/full-upgrade/safe-upgrade will not crash my system if using squeeze. because what i am worried about here is system crash. I can't comment on your Windows analogies as I don't use Windows. I think that you need to expect that Linux will be different from whatever you used in Windows. They are very different OSs. FWIW, I do most of my admin from the CLI, including updating and upgrading. So yes, it can be done from the CLI. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201205252130.54213.lisi.re...@gmail.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAGWVfM=s3FrC=yzgk+d3bvg7jm64kks_p_xvcy8mcfogj6v...@mail.gmail.com
Re: how to update Debian OS properly
On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 6:36 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Fri, 2012-05-25 at 18:28 +0500, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote: In conclusion i found out that i should stick to stable and should not play with the source list until unless it is necessary. even if i add a repo then i must comment it after installing the whatever package Yesno. I'll say yes, somebody else might recommend http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html i was reading this article and it is very helpful and something new that i learned but i am a bit confuse. how come i be safe in this technique because what this article is saying means if i wanted to install a specific package this would be helpful and if the package is not in the stable then apt will check in testing and finally in sid. but what if i run apt-get upgrade then my question is, would it be safe and will not upgrade my OS to sid or testing. Do you need src? Src repos provide source code only. You might need headers to compile src codes from sourceforge etc., but seldom a Debian src. Google if there is a stable stable-updates repository etc. too. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1337953000.2251.114.camel@precise -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAGWVfMnk2aSYbnfBQFgdowYOowmyRymrG5=q6qcelism_gm...@mail.gmail.com
Re: how to update Debian OS properly
On Sat, 26 May 2012 16:43:45 +0500 Muhammad Yousuf Khan sir...@gmail.com wrote: if i use Squeeze (the code name) instead stable, sid or anything. should i not to worry about system crash? is it what people here mean to say (who support code name squeeze ) that if i apt-get upgrade/full-upgrade/safe-upgrade will not crash my system if using squeeze. because what i am worried about here is system crash. I can see you are getting confused; best practice suggests using the stable dist by name.(Currently Squeeze) When you want to upgrade to the next stable version, replace squeeze with wheezy, in your /etc/apt/sources.list. ~~ My sources.list on a clean installation of Debian Squeeze 6.0.5, with the addition of non-free deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main contrib non-free deb-src http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main contrib non-free deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free -- keith km3...@gmail.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120526132531.a457ef470c1325f297b2e...@gmail.com
Re: how to update Debian OS properly
On Sat, 26 May 2012 17:06:04 +0500 Muhammad Yousuf Khan sir...@gmail.com wrote: i was reading this article and it is very helpful and something new that i learned but i am a bit confuse. how come i be safe in this technique because what this article is saying means if i wanted to install a specific package this would be helpful and if the package is not in the stable then apt will check in testing and finally in sid. but what if i run apt-get upgrade then my question is, would it be safe and will not upgrade my OS to sid or testing. When I upgraded squeeze to wheezy, i did - apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; apt-get dist-upgrade My understanding is - If you apt-get upgrade, you are updating your system (squeeze) When you use apt-get dist-upgrade you change your system from squeeze to wheezy If you install a package from wheezy/sid it won't be upgraded until the version number is reached in the stable (i.e. squeeze) version. -- keith km3...@gmail.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120526133926.85c6d542d64ad10f386a5...@gmail.com
Re: how to update Debian OS properly
On Sat, 26 May 2012 16:43:45 +0500 Muhammad Yousuf Khan sir...@gmail.com wrote: if i use Squeeze (the code name) instead stable, sid or anything. should i not to worry about system crash? is it what people here mean to say (who support code name squeeze ) that if i apt-get upgrade/full-upgrade/safe-upgrade will not crash my system if using squeeze. because what i am worried about here is system crash. Usually when a version of Stable is upgraded to the next, there will be some things to do manually. If you have any software installed by other means than the apt system, or from other repositories than the official Debian ones, then that will need to be upgraded by hand, or maybe even removed if that software is now available in the new version. There may be some applications whose configuration files have changed significantly, and cannot be automatically upgraded. There may be some applications on hold, where you did not want them kept up to date even at the risk of security bugs. Such holds must be released before upgrading. So you don't want a version upgrade to happen without preparation, and certainly not automatically on the day of the new release. It's a bit like automatic updates in Windows: you wouldn't enable that on a server, you would want to check first and approve updates (and possibly wait a week to see who else has problems..). If you are installing a service pack, this is especially true, and a Debian version upgrade is broadly similar to an MS service pack. So if you use the codename of the distribution, the version upgrade will not happen automatically, and this is generally what you want. After the new version is released, you can take up to a year to prepare for the upgrade, and carry it out at a time of your own choosing. If you use the Stable distribution, with no apt sources other than the official Debian ones, and use the codename in your sources list, you should never expect to see any system disturbance. When you make the upgrade to the next version, you shouldn't expect to see any problems which have not been mentioned in the release notes for the upgrade. As to which upgrade to use routinely, it's not too important in Stable. Nothing should be removed under normal conditions, so aptitude safe-upgrade or apt-get upgrade should have the same effect as aptitude full-upgrade or apt-get dist-upgrade. The apt-get and aptitude actions are not absolutely identical, but very similar for routine upgrades, the differences are in how dependencies are handled. Routine upgrades of the Stable distribution do not normally involve any dependency changes. The release notes for a version upgrade will normally advise which of the two systems is preferred for the upgrade (e.g. apt-get for squeeze, aptitude for lenny). If you choose to run sid, the Unstable distribution, on a workstation, you will learn Debian a little bit quicker, but you should expect problems. You will need to look at upgrades before carrying them out, as routine upgrades applied without thinking can damage sid, and this happens once or twice a year. Much more often than that, sid will ask if you want half of your desktop environment removed, and it's usually safer to say no. There are typically 20-50 packages upgraded per day in an 'average' sid system, and at any time there are two or three needing upgrades but with problems preventing it happening. -- Joe -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120526134351.26661...@jretrading.com
Re: how to update Debian OS properly
On Saturday 26 May 2012 12:43:45 you wrote: I prefer to use aptitude full-upgrade routinely - but I have the code name in my sources.list, not stable or testing. I then change the code name when I want to get the more recent version. So, Squeeze not stable, Muhammad. you could get in quite a mess at the changeover point from Squeeze to Wheezy if you have stable in your sources.list, as several people have pointed out. if i use Squeeze (the code name) instead stable, sid or anything. should i not to worry about system crash? is it what people here mean to say (who support code name squeeze ) that if i apt-get upgrade/full-upgrade/safe-upgrade will not crash my system if using squeeze. because what i am worried about here is system crash. I'm afraid that I don't understand you. Why should you have a system crash? And what are you trying to achieve? Always use code names, and incidentally Sid is the code-name for unstable, a code-name which never changes. So choose which you want. From the sound of things you want Squeeze. Install Squeeze. Check that Squeeze is in your sources.list, and only Squeeze at this stage. No mention of stable or anything else. Update Squeeze. (aptitude update followed by aptitude full-upgrade or aptitude safe-upgrade.) From then on you will only basically get security updates, though there are periodic point releases for Squeeze to iron out some remaining bugs etc. For now, and while you bed down with Debian/Linux, simply ignore all mentions of Wheezy, stable, Sid, unstable, testing etc. Time enough to come to terms with those when you understand fully what is going on or when Wheezy has become Stable and Squeeze is Old Stable. apt is now preferred to aptitude by many on this list, but I am more familiar with aptitude, and might have got the commands slightly wrong had I attempted to give you them. (I did last time that I did so.) But for what you are doing now, either is fine, and when it comes to upgrading to a new release, the release notes will tell you which to use. But above all, keep things simple for now. And when you ask a question, try to express it without reference to Windows. Many of us do not use Windows, and in my case I have not done so since Windows 98, which I don't remember very well. HTH Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201205261517.08770.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: how to update Debian OS properly
On Sb, 26 mai 12, 13:39:26, keith wrote: My understanding is - If you apt-get upgrade, you are updating your system (squeeze) When you use apt-get dist-upgrade you change your system from squeeze to wheezy No, see 'man apt-get' for the difference between the two. Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: how to update Debian OS properly
On Vi, 25 mai 12, 15:36:40, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Fri, 2012-05-25 at 18:28 +0500, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote: In conclusion i found out that i should stick to stable and should not play with the source list until unless it is necessary. even if i add a repo then i must comment it after installing the whatever package Yesno. I'll say yes, somebody else might recommend http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html That article, while still useful, - mentions non-US which has been discontinued long time ago (sarge?) - uses sources + pinning by release not code-name[1] [1] this may be due to a bug in apt where pinning by codename was not possible, fixed in the meantime (lenny?). I seem to remember the Debian Reference has a good guide to pinning and it is up-to-date (thanks to Osamu Aoki). Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: how to update Debian OS properly
On Saturday 26 May 2012 18:04:35 Andrei POPESCU wrote: I seem to remember the Debian Reference has a good guide to pinning and it is up-to-date (thanks to Osamu Aoki). Given the OP's confusion, and the fact that he states his main aim as not crashing, would he not do better to stick to pure Squeeze for now? Hopefully, more use of Linux will enable him to stop trying to mimic Windows - a job which Windows itself does rather well ;-) Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201205261839.42048.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: how to update Debian OS properly
FWIW, sometime ago this book was announced here: http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1338053740.2316.0.camel@precise
Re: how to update Debian OS properly
On Sat, 26 May 2012 19:57:19 +0300 Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: On Sb, 26 mai 12, 13:39:26, keith wrote: My understanding is - If you apt-get upgrade, you are updating your system (squeeze) When you use apt-get dist-upgrade you change your system from squeeze to wheezy No, see 'man apt-get' for the difference between the two. Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic I was wrong about dist-upgrade, as has been pointed out above. (Sorry for the bum steer; but when I 'changed' from squeeze to wheezy I did use it.) -- keith km3...@gmail.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120526191958.1a27c85fd316a03b7c8ca...@gmail.com
how to update Debian OS properly
well, I have questions about upgrading Linux. since i have been using Microsoft for years the concept of upgrade I think is different from Linux upgrade. in a testing environment I was trying to upgrade the security patches and I run the command apt-get upgrade. It ran fine, but at the end it upgraded my whole OS, first my test machine was showing Debian version 6.0.4 now after the upgrade it shifted to Wheezy/SID which I think is unstable. In Microsoft when we upgrade the OS. it downloads only the security and OS patches. So the question are 1. how to upgrade only the security patches? 2. if the upgrade patch trigger any critical issue. Like any service like hosting, filesharing or squid got effected by the update, how come we know which patch cause this problem and how to remove that specific patch because in Microsoft I have seen that security patches and OS patches some time make problems when run along with ongoing services. 3. how to revert back to old OS, for example, in my case i upgraded my system from 6.0.4 to Wheezy/SID now want to revert things back. Thanks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cagwvfmmuhv5e8frlde1e8_awkq34k8tte9rjtdcz2dhrvrf...@mail.gmail.com
Re: how to update Debian OS properly
PS: I like Synaptic, a GUI for the package management. It automatically set up an upgrade history. You manually can set up a history when using apt, however, Synaptic is very comfortable. A history provides information this way: package_name (1.11.4) to 1.12.0 Note, for the standard repository 1.11.4 is replaced by 1.12.0 too, so you can't simply downgrade using the same repository. You need another repository or to keep packages. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1337946438.2251.82.camel@precise
Re: how to update Debian OS properly
On Fri, 2012-05-25 at 15:57 +0500, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote: 3. how to revert back to old OS, for example, in my case i upgraded my system from 6.0.4 to Wheezy/SID now want to revert things back. If your repositories are explicit for stable, than there shouldn't happen an upgrade to testing or unstable. To restore your Debian stable in the future, IMO the easiest way is to do a backup before upgrading and to restore from such a backup if needed. You can backup any Linux from another Linux, e.g. from a live media, if you're root and run cd /path/to/debian_stable tar czf backup_name.tar.gz * Globbing (here using *) and following links shouldn't be an issue for your setup. And IMO having several backups/snapshots is more safe than syncing backups. Btw. some dirs can be excluded, but IMO this makes a backup unneeded complicated. - Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1337945545.2251.74.camel@precise
Re: how to update Debian OS properly
On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 11:57:28AM BST, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote: well, I have questions about upgrading Linux. since i have been using Microsoft for years the concept of upgrade I think is different from Linux upgrade. in a testing environment I was trying to upgrade the security patches and I run the command apt-get upgrade. It ran fine, but at the end it upgraded my whole OS, first my test machine was showing Debian version 6.0.4 now after the upgrade it shifted to Wheezy/SID which I think is unstable. Read below [0]. In Microsoft when we upgrade the OS. it downloads only the security and OS patches. So the question are 1. how to upgrade only the security patches? aptitude update aptitude safe-upgrade [1] 2. if the upgrade patch trigger any critical issue. Like any service like hosting, filesharing or squid got effected by the update, how come we know which patch cause this problem and how to remove that specific patch because in Microsoft I have seen that security patches and OS patches some time make problems when run along with ongoing services. There are no patches like in Windows. Patches in free (open source) software are for source code [2]. Upgrading a package you effectively installing a new version of the software. 3. how to revert back to old OS, for example, in my case i upgraded my system from 6.0.4 to Wheezy/SID now want to revert things back. You can always install an older version of the package. [0] It seems like you had several entries in your sources.list file(s) - post the content of your file here. [1] safe-upgrade will only upgrade packages and won't remove any other ones [2] yes, I know, you can have binary patches as well Cheers, -- rjc -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120525115409.ga13...@linuxstuff.pl
Re: how to update Debian OS properly
On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 03:57:28PM +0500, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote: in a testing environment I was trying to upgrade the security patches and I run the command apt-get upgrade. It ran fine, but at the end it upgraded my whole OS, first my test machine was showing Debian version 6.0.4 now after the upgrade it shifted to Wheezy/SID which I think is unstable. In Microsoft when we upgrade the OS. it downloads only the security and OS patches. So the question are 1. how to upgrade only the security patches? If security is your concern, you ought to be running stable as opposed to testing. If you run stable, then ensuring that security.debian.org is listed in the /etc/apt/sources.list will fetch security updates. 2. if the upgrade patch trigger any critical issue. Like any service like hosting, filesharing or squid got effected by the update, how come we know which patch cause this problem and how to remove that specific patch because in Microsoft I have seen that security patches and OS patches some time make problems when run along with ongoing services. I'd advise you to subscribe to the security mailing list of the projects which you run on your machine whose security issues you are concerned about. Read this for further details and ideas: http://www.debian.org/security/ 3. how to revert back to old OS, for example, in my case i upgraded my system from 6.0.4 to Wheezy/SID now want to revert things back. This is a little complicated and one could end up hosing one's system. I'd advise you to back up things and do a fresh install of squeeze. HTH. Kumar -- We use Linux for all our mission-critical applications. Having the source code means that we are not held hostage by anyone's support department. -- Russell Nelson, President of Crynwr Software -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120525114253.gb5...@bluemoon.alumni.iitm.ac.in
Re: how to update Debian OS properly
On Fri, 2012-05-25 at 06:42 -0500, Kumar Appaiah wrote: I'd advise you to back up things and do a fresh install of squeeze. things for your current install might be /home only. Perhaps xorg.conf and some other files, using cp -pr while you're root. But in the future completely backup using e.g. tar. Note, if you sync, you anyway might lose data, since you might notice some issues after doing several backups and not already with the backup that did cause an issue. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1337948255.2251.89.camel@precise
Re: how to update Debian OS properly
On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 4:32 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Fri, 2012-05-25 at 15:57 +0500, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote: 3. how to revert back to old OS, for example, in my case i upgraded my system from 6.0.4 to Wheezy/SID now want to revert things back. If your repositories are explicit for stable, than there shouldn't happen an upgrade to testing or unstable. To restore your Debian stable in the future, IMO the easiest way is to do a backup before upgrading and to restore from such a backup if needed. You can backup any Linux from another Linux, e.g. from a live media, if you're root and run cd /path/to/debian_stable tar czf backup_name.tar.gz * will clonezilla live CD work in this case? as i am using it very often and a bit useto with it. Globbing (here using *) and following links shouldn't be an issue for your setup. And IMO having several backups/snapshots is more safe than now this snapshots point raising one more question in my mind. did you means snapshots like XP and Other windows OS supports. for example. i can make a snapshot before installing any service like apache , samba or anything. and after installing , at the end i realize that i messed up the whole box then i can revert my system back to that particular snapshot and i will be at the old stage. can i use snapshot in this context ( sorry for the newbie Questions but i am confused with Microsoft and Linux as there are same services in both OS and working entirely in different way) syncing backups. Btw. some dirs can be excluded, but IMO this makes a backup unneeded complicated. - Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1337945545.2251.74.camel@precise -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAGWVfMk8mzQ+5r=58e-L0TRfUA-M7DX4ojp5Ab=jz6f4ad8...@mail.gmail.com
Re: how to update Debian OS properly
On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Kumar Appaiah a.ku...@alumni.iitm.ac.in wrote: On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 03:57:28PM +0500, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote: in a testing environment I was trying to upgrade the security patches and I run the command apt-get upgrade. It ran fine, but at the end it upgraded my whole OS, first my test machine was showing Debian version 6.0.4 now after the upgrade it shifted to Wheezy/SID which I think is unstable. In Microsoft when we upgrade the OS. it downloads only the security and OS patches. So the question are 1. how to upgrade only the security patches? If security is your concern, you ought to be running stable as opposed to testing. If you run stable, then ensuring that security.debian.org is listed in the /etc/apt/sources.list will fetch security updates. thanks for the response, but more i concern was a patch like fix patches in Microsoft. i thought it would be working in same way :P as i am already behind the firewall and actively monitoring things so security from outside is not a concern for me. but securing the debian box is also a target to achieve and security should not be neglected. ill subscribe for the mailing list ASAP thanks for the advice. 2. if the upgrade patch trigger any critical issue. Like any service like hosting, filesharing or squid got effected by the update, how come we know which patch cause this problem and how to remove that specific patch because in Microsoft I have seen that security patches and OS patches some time make problems when run along with ongoing services. I'd advise you to subscribe to the security mailing list of the projects which you run on your machine whose security issues you are concerned about. Read this for further details and ideas: http://www.debian.org/security/ 3. how to revert back to old OS, for example, in my case i upgraded my system from 6.0.4 to Wheezy/SID now want to revert things back. This is a little complicated and one could end up hosing one's system. I'd advise you to back up things and do a fresh install of squeeze. HTH. Kumar -- We use Linux for all our mission-critical applications. Having the source code means that we are not held hostage by anyone's support department. -- Russell Nelson, President of Crynwr Software -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120525114253.gb5...@bluemoon.alumni.iitm.ac.in -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cagwvfmndqijonpyoejzjwx2x-s-ufrjqnzpry1raqzhaxtn...@mail.gmail.com
Re: how to update Debian OS properly
On Fri, 2012-05-25 at 17:19 +0500, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote: cd /path/to/debian_stable tar czf backup_name.tar.gz * will clonezilla live CD work in this case? as i am using it very often and a bit useto with it. AFAIK yes, Clonezilla should be ok. now this snapshots point raising one more question in my mind. did you means snapshots like XP and Other windows OS supports. for example. i can make a snapshot before installing any service like apache , samba or anything. and after installing , at the end i realize that i messed up the whole box then i can revert my system back to that particular snapshot and i will be at the old stage. can i use snapshot in this context ( sorry for the newbie Questions but i am confused with Microsoft and Linux as there are same services in both OS and working entirely in different way) If you don't sync, than yes, at least for Linux you'll restore exactly what you had before, at a explicit date. I suspect XP does a kind of sync and I suspect it will be possible for Linux too, but if you tar your Debian or use Clonezilla to do a complete image, nothing could go wrong. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1337948846.2251.94.camel@precise
Re: how to update Debian OS properly
On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 4:54 PM, rjc r...@linuxstuff.pl wrote: On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 11:57:28AM BST, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote: well, I have questions about upgrading Linux. since i have been using Microsoft for years the concept of upgrade I think is different from Linux upgrade. in a testing environment I was trying to upgrade the security patches and I run the command apt-get upgrade. It ran fine, but at the end it upgraded my whole OS, first my test machine was showing Debian version 6.0.4 now after the upgrade it shifted to Wheezy/SID which I think is unstable. Read below [0]. In Microsoft when we upgrade the OS. it downloads only the security and OS patches. So the question are 1. how to upgrade only the security patches? aptitude update aptitude safe-upgrade [1] ok it will only update the security patches, no matter if what ever i write in source.list? one more question. for example. if i wanted to upgrade. but only to stable version not to unstable or testing. then what could be done to achieve this. if there is no stable version update then it shouldn’t download anything from servers. what i want is not just security patch but also OS to OS upgrade but only stable releases for, example. lenny to new lenny (but stable version) for,example Lenny to Squeez (but stable squeez version) how it is possible? 2. if the upgrade patch trigger any critical issue. Like any service like hosting, filesharing or squid got effected by the update, how come we know which patch cause this problem and how to remove that specific patch because in Microsoft I have seen that security patches and OS patches some time make problems when run along with ongoing services. There are no patches like in Windows. Patches in free (open source) software are for source code [2]. Upgrading a package you effectively installing a new version of the software. 3. how to revert back to old OS, for example, in my case i upgraded my system from 6.0.4 to Wheezy/SID now want to revert things back. You can always install an older version of the package. [0] It seems like you had several entries in your sources.list file(s) - post the content of your file here. deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main deb-src http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian sid main [1] safe-upgrade will only upgrade packages and won't remove any other ones [2] yes, I know, you can have binary patches as well Cheers, -- rjc -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120525115409.ga13...@linuxstuff.pl -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAGWVfMí2vyNrwYn+iq5gFem68PfOFj'cJbsCG1DvdeSF=w...@mail.gmail.com
Re: how to update Debian OS properly
On Fri 25 May 2012 at 15:57:28 +0500, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote: So the question are 1. how to upgrade only the security patches? Install stable and stick with it. Do not be tempted to alter sources.list in /etc/apt/ 2. if the upgrade patch trigger any critical issue. Like any service like hosting, filesharing or squid got effected by the update, how come we know which patch cause this problem and how to remove that specific patch because in Microsoft I have seen that security patches and OS patches some time make problems when run along with ongoing services. This is very, very unlikely to happen. If it did, someone would notice and provide you with a fixed package. 3. how to revert back to old OS, for example, in my case i upgraded my system from 6.0.4 to Wheezy/SID now want to revert things back. Forget about it. Re-install stable. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120525124214.GD2847@desktop
Re: how to update Debian OS properly
On Fri, 2012-05-25 at 17:37 +0500, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote: deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main deb-src http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian sid main You're issue is related to the sid repository. If you need something from sid, then uncomment it and after that comment it. Don't feel secure using pinning. You can name the repositories stable instead of squeeze, so it will use stable what ever Debian stable is named. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1337950166.2251.102.camel@precise
Re: how to update Debian OS properly
On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 5:49 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Fri, 2012-05-25 at 17:37 +0500, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote: deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main deb-src http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian sid main You're issue is related to the sid repository. If you need something from sid, then uncomment it and after that comment it. Don't feel secure using pinning. You can name the repositories stable instead of squeeze, so it will use stable what ever Debian stable is named. ok ill comment the sid repo. but would you please give me a hint what do you mean by naming squeeze to stable. Thanks, -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1337950166.2251.102.camel@precise -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAGWVfMmCQz20uPBye6tLKU1=-NP97ATAU=tjalh_+wghuey...@mail.gmail.com
Re: how to update Debian OS properly
On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 01:37:16PM BST, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote: 1. how to upgrade only the security patches? aptitude update aptitude safe-upgrade [1] ok it will only update the security patches, no matter if what ever i write in source.list? No, this will upgrade any upgradeable packages - be it a security update or not. one more question. for example. if i wanted to upgrade. but only to stable version not to unstable or testing. then what could be done to achieve this. if there is no stable version update then it shouldn’t download anything from servers. You don't upgrade stable to stable, you upgrade certain packages within the stable distribution - the above command will achieve just that. what i want is not just security patch but also OS to OS upgrade but only stable releases for, example. lenny to new lenny (but stable version) I don't quite get what you mean by Lenny to new Lenny? Lenny is an unsupported old-stable release. for,example Lenny to Squeez (but stable squeez version) how it is possible? Lenny to squeeze upgrade is somewhat different, you need to have entries for both of these releases in you sources.list file(s). aptitude update aptitude full-upgrade will do what you want here. Bear in mind that full-upgrade will remove packages, i.e. the ones which are in conflict with the new ones. 3. how to revert back to old OS, for example, in my case i upgraded my system from 6.0.4 to Wheezy/SID now want to revert things back. You can always install an older version of the package. [0] It seems like you had several entries in your sources.list file(s) - post the content of your file here. deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main deb-src http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian sid main This is the mistake you made, you've mixed both squeeze (stable) with sid (unstable release) adding squeeze-backports on top of it. I'd recommend reading about mixing of stable, testing unstable - stay away from experimental ;^) - releases and what can you do with APT pinning. Until then, stick with stable. Cheers, -- rjc -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120525130609.ga15...@linuxstuff.pl
Re: how to update Debian OS properly
On Fri, 25 May 2012 17:37:16 +0500 Muhammad Yousuf Khan sir...@gmail.com wrote: [...] [0] It seems like you had several entries in your sources.list file(s) - post the content of your file here. deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main deb-src http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian sid main Delete the last line from your /etc/apt/sources.list (# deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian sid main) And, I believe you can change 'squeeze' to 'stable', remain updating the stable version, whatever the name. Just as an aside; to make it easy on yourself, if you need to re-install again, make your partitioning scheme friendly. i.e. One partition for swap, One partition for the / (system), at least another for your /home (/or data); then if you have to re-install, only overwrite your / partition. You should, of course, still have backups of your data as well. -- keith km3...@gmail.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120525141048.181b7356179f064614743...@gmail.com
Re: how to update Debian OS properly
ok found a website for which generates source.list http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-updates main contrib non-free deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-updates main contrib non-free deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main contrib non-free deb-src http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main contrib non-free please confirm if above repositories are good to go with, In conclusion i found out that i should stick to stable and should not play with the source list until unless it is necessary. even if i add a repo then i must comment it after installing the whatever package On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 6:10 PM, keith km3...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, 25 May 2012 17:37:16 +0500 Muhammad Yousuf Khan sir...@gmail.com wrote: [...] [0] It seems like you had several entries in your sources.list file(s) - post the content of your file here. deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main deb-src http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian sid main Delete the last line from your /etc/apt/sources.list (# deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian sid main) And, I believe you can change 'squeeze' to 'stable', remain updating the stable version, whatever the name. Just as an aside; to make it easy on yourself, if you need to re-install again, make your partitioning scheme friendly. i.e. One partition for swap, One partition for the / (system), at least another for your /home (/or data); then if you have to re-install, only overwrite your / partition. You should, of course, still have backups of your data as well. -- keith km3...@gmail.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAGWVfMmf36qZOXps0LuG1mxukC6kfJU4aszEN7TtsQ4=U=q...@mail.gmail.com
Re: how to update Debian OS properly
On Fri, 2012-05-25 at 14:06 +0100, rjc wrote: Lenny to squeeze upgrade is somewhat different, you need to have entries for both of these releases in you sources.list file(s). On Fri, 2012-05-25 at 17:58 +0500, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote: ok ill comment the sid repo. but would you please give me a hint what do you mean by naming squeeze to stable. Comment out the backports too. Instead of e.g. deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian squeeze main non-free contrib use deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian stable main non-free contrib Than you'll get stable, what ever it's named. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1337951764.2251.110.camel@precise
Re: how to update Debian OS properly
On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 4:47 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: PS: I like Synaptic, a GUI for the package management. It automatically set up an upgrade history. You manually can set up a history when using apt, however, Synaptic is very comfortable. A history provides information this way: package_name (1.11.4) to 1.12.0 do you know any CLI work in same way. i am not using GUI. Note, for the standard repository 1.11.4 is replaced by 1.12.0 too, so you can't simply downgrade using the same repository. You need another repository or to keep packages. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1337946438.2251.82.camel@precise -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cagwvfmntk9fntne7s8mvs4mthsxybhr+uysqmnicsov9r4m...@mail.gmail.com
Re: how to update Debian OS properly
On Fri, 2012-05-25 at 18:28 +0500, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote: In conclusion i found out that i should stick to stable and should not play with the source list until unless it is necessary. even if i add a repo then i must comment it after installing the whatever package Yesno. I'll say yes, somebody else might recommend http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html Do you need src? Src repos provide source code only. You might need headers to compile src codes from sourceforge etc., but seldom a Debian src. Google if there is a stable stable-updates repository etc. too. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1337953000.2251.114.camel@precise
Re: how to update Debian OS properly
On Vi, 25 mai 12, 14:49:26, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Fri, 2012-05-25 at 17:37 +0500, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote: deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main deb-src http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian sid main You're issue is related to the sid repository. If you need something from sid, then uncomment it and after that comment it. Don't feel secure using pinning. I don't agree. IMNSHO pinning (or simply setting Default-Release in apt.conf) is the correct way to use a mixed environment, because: - installing even one package from the other repository can have unwanted side effects without pinning. Use correct pinning and the '-t' switch instead - one will not be aware of any possibly security related updates[1] [1] even unstable has some degree of security support, because the maintainer is usually aware of any stable security updates and will in most cases update the package in unstable too. Such packages are uploaded with 'urgency=high' and will also migrate faster to testing if possible. Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: how to update Debian OS properly
On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 8:49 AM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Fri, 2012-05-25 at 17:37 +0500, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote: deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main deb-src http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian sid main You're issue is related to the sid repository. If you need something from sid, then uncomment it and after that comment it. Don't feel secure using pinning. You can name the repositories stable instead of squeeze, so it will use stable what ever Debian stable is named. That means that the OP'll be upgraded automatically to wheezy when it becomes stable! No one wants to do that. You want to choose when to upgrade, if at all... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOdo=Sy6p0zjWA-9ePzfwpygAxnTFGPuBfOiCW4kG0=nzej...@mail.gmail.com
Re: how to update Debian OS properly
On Fri, 2012-05-25 at 18:36 +0500, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote: A history provides information this way: package_name (1.11.4) to 1.12.0 do you know any CLI work in same way. i am not using GUI. A script using apt, aptitude or dpkg might be able to generate a history too. I once used one of those commands to do this. Can't remember what command I used. Man pages and --help should help. Writing shell scripts in a naive way is easy to learn. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1337953530.2251.120.camel@precise
Re: how to update Debian OS properly
On Vi, 25 mai 12, 15:16:04, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Instead of e.g. deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian squeeze main non-free contrib use deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian stable main non-free contrib Than you'll get stable, what ever it's named. ... but it might catch you unprepared if you don't follow release announcements. Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: how to update Debian OS properly
On Fri, 2012-05-25 at 16:50 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Vi, 25 mai 12, 15:16:04, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Instead of e.g. deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian squeeze main non-free contrib use deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian stable main non-free contrib Than you'll get stable, what ever it's named. ... but it might catch you unprepared if you don't follow release announcements. Again a good point and in this case I prefer using version names such as squeeze too. I should have mentioned this too, instead of simply answering the question, without further explanation. Apologize to the OP. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1337954181.2251.125.camel@precise
Re: how to update Debian OS properly
On Vi, 25 mai 12, 15:45:30, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Fri, 2012-05-25 at 18:36 +0500, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote: A history provides information this way: package_name (1.11.4) to 1.12.0 do you know any CLI work in same way. i am not using GUI. A script using apt, aptitude or dpkg might be able to generate a history too. I once used one of those commands to do this. Can't remember what command I used. Man pages and --help should help. Writing shell scripts in a naive way is easy to learn. dpkg, apt and aptitude have their own log files under /var/log/ (of course). Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
RE: how to update Debian OS properly
Hi, Instead of e.g. deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian squeeze main non-free contrib use deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian stable main non-free contrib Than you'll get stable, what ever it's named. ... but it might catch you unprepared if you don't follow release announcements. And just as with Microsoft upgrades it never realy quite workst just the way you thought it would work so Allways update the way described in the upgrade notes and that means one needs to have the release name like lenny, squeeze, etc. in the sources list and not stable so one can do a proper upgrade at the time of ones choosing. Bonno Bloksma -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/89d1798a7351d040b4e74e0a043c69d70ac34...@hglexch-01.tio.nl
Re: how to update Debian OS properly
On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 02:46:50PM BST, Tom H wrote: On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 8:49 AM, Ralf Mardorf You're issue is related to the sid repository. If you need something from sid, then uncomment it and after that comment it. Don't feel secure using pinning. You can name the repositories stable instead of squeeze, so it will use stable what ever Debian stable is named. That means that the OP'll be upgraded automatically to wheezy when it becomes stable! No one wants to do that. You want to choose when to upgrade, if at all... I agree here, don't change squeeze to stable if you don't want to get into trouble when wheezy comes out. -- rjc -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120525135946.ga18...@linuxstuff.pl
Re: how to update Debian OS properly
On Fri, 2012-05-25 at 16:45 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: - one will not be aware of any possibly security related updates Good point -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1337953797.2251.121.camel@precise
Re: how to update Debian OS properly
On Fri, 25 May 2012 15:57:28 +0500, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote: well, I have questions about upgrading Linux. since i have been using Microsoft for years the concept of upgrade I think is different from Linux upgrade. in a testing environment I was trying to upgrade the security patches and I run the command apt-get upgrade. Mmm, you should run first apt-get update to refresh the available packages. It ran fine, but at the end it upgraded my whole OS, first my test machine was showing Debian version 6.0.4 now after the upgrade it shifted to Wheezy/SID which I think is unstable. The first thing you have to look at is the sources (/etc/apt/ sources.list). This is _the key_ for having a happy system :-) The second thing is knowing what's what you want to get: 1/ Having a stable system 2/ Having a testing/sid system For 1/ you have to point your sources to squeeze and add a security repo. That's all. For 2/ well, you have to point your sources to a testing or sid version and you have to update the whole system on a regular basis to avoid breaking things. In my case, I only use apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade in both, stable and testing distributions: the sources will make the difference here. So the question are 1. how to upgrade only the security patches? Stable versions only get security pathes (and a few of enhancements) so this is not a problem here. For testing/sid you have to update the whole system. 2. if the upgrade patch trigger any critical issue. Like any service like hosting, filesharing or squid got effected by the update, how come we know which patch cause this problem and how to remove that specific patch because in Microsoft I have seen that security patches and OS patches some time make problems when run along with ongoing services. You can remove/revert any package by reading the apt logs and using synaptic or aptitude to uninstall a specific package version and stick to the desired one. 3. how to revert back to old OS, for example, in my case i upgraded my system from 6.0.4 to Wheezy/SID now want to revert things back. I'm not sure if that will work, at least not flawlessly; you can fall into a dependency hell and lots of broken packages. Anyway, by the kind of questions you ask, I would suggest first a careful reading of the FAQ: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jpo450$4v3$6...@dough.gmane.org
Re: how to update Debian OS properly
On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 06:42:53AM -0500, Kumar Appaiah wrote: On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 03:57:28PM +0500, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote: in a testing environment I was trying to upgrade the security patches and I run the command apt-get upgrade. It ran fine, but at the end it upgraded my whole OS, first my test machine was showing Debian version 6.0.4 now after the upgrade it shifted to Wheezy/SID which I think is unstable. In Microsoft when we upgrade the OS. it downloads only the security and OS patches. So the question are 1. how to upgrade only the security patches? If security is your concern, you ought to be running stable as opposed to testing. If you run stable, then ensuring that security.debian.org is listed in the /etc/apt/sources.list will fetch security updates. Or, you could run testing and put in sources.list: deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib non-free Still, I do consider stable to be safer, and do stick with it... -- ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ Indulekha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120525145453.GA13504@radhesyama
Re: Re: how to update Debian OS properly
deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-updates main contrib non-free deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-updates main contrib non-free deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main contrib non-free deb-src http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main contrib non-free please confirm if above repositories are good to go with, There is a problem because you have mixed stable and squeeze. It will work from now until wheezy is released, then your system will partly upgrade itself to wheezy and something will likely break. To fix that, use either stable or squeeze exclusively. I prefer to use squeeze, as recommended by most of the people who have commented here, so I can choose a convenient time to perform the upgrade to the next release. I hope this helps. -- Cheers, Clive -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120525150915.GA5209@lister.localdomain
Re: how to update Debian OS properly
On 25.05.2012 15:49, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Fri, 2012-05-25 at 17:37 +0500, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote: deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main deb-src http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian sid main You're issue is related to the sid repository. If you need something from sid, then uncomment it and after that comment it. Don't feel secure using pinning. You can name the repositories stable instead of squeeze, so it will use stable what ever Debian stable is named. Is it safe to use stable instead of squeeze? Are there usually any conflicts or anything what would need full-upgrade whenever new stable is named? I am asking just for curiosity, I am Sid user. -- [Mika Suomalainen](https://mkaysi.github.com/) || [gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net --recv-keys 4DB53CFE82A46728](http://mkaysi.github.com/PGP/key.txt) || [Why do I sign my emails?](http://mkaysi.github.com/PGP/WhyDoISignEmails.html) || [Please don't send HTML.](http://mkaysi.github.com/articles/complaining/HTML.html) || [Please don't toppost](http://mkaysi.github.com/articles/complaining/topposting.html) || [This signature](https://gist.github.com/2643070) || signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: how to update Debian OS properly
On 2012-05-25 17:53 +0200, Mika Suomalainen wrote: Is it safe to use stable instead of squeeze? No, this is very much not recommended. Are there usually any conflicts or anything what would need full-upgrade whenever new stable is named? Yes, about every two years when a new major Debian stable release is made. With stable in sources.list, you may find yourself upgrading to the new release when you're not expecting it and are unprepared, similar to the situation the OP has got himself into. Using the codename avoids such surprises at the cost of having to alter the sources.list file every two years (with a time window of one year where more than one release is supported). Cheers, Sven -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/871um8nrjd@turtle.gmx.de
Re: how to update Debian OS properly
On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 11:53 AM, Mika Suomalainen mika.henrik.mai...@hotmail.com wrote: On 25.05.2012 15:49, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Fri, 2012-05-25 at 17:37 +0500, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote: deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main deb-src http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian sid main You're issue is related to the sid repository. If you need something from sid, then uncomment it and after that comment it. Don't feel secure using pinning. You can name the repositories stable instead of squeeze, so it will use stable what ever Debian stable is named. Is it safe to use stable instead of squeeze? Are there usually any conflicts or anything what would need full-upgrade whenever new stable is named? No. No need for aptitude full-upgrade, even apt-get upgrade/aptitude safe-upgrade will pull in wheezy (partially) when it becomes stable. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOdo=sxbfo9v909tyot1g2o8zyvufo6fvz6bmd6zld2cgsg...@mail.gmail.com
Re: how to update Debian OS properly
On Fri, 25 May 2012 18:28:29 +0500 Muhammad Yousuf Khan sir...@gmail.com wrote: ok found a website for which generates source.list http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-updates main contrib non-free deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-updates main contrib non-free deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main contrib non-free deb-src http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main contrib non-free please confirm if above repositories are good to go with, In conclusion i found out that i should stick to stable and should not play with the source list until unless it is necessary. even if i add a repo then i must comment it after installing the whatever package I think that sources.list will work OK (I believe it will prioritize the us sites if they come first) With regard to using stable as a designation; I don't, I use Squeeze, but I thought I would just mention it. -- keith km3...@gmail.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120525193831.31d79b1641243dd1030f5...@gmail.com
Re: how to update Debian OS properly
On Fri, 25 May 2012 19:38:31 +0100 keith km3...@gmail.com wrote: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free My apologies, I somehow missed that, as someone else has pointed out. Use squeeze not stable. (I know it's no excuse but I was distracted by someone whilst I was in the middle of replying, again sorry for missing that.) -- keith keith...@yahoo.co.uk -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/361072.18951...@smtp151.mail.ukl.yahoo.com
Re: how to update Debian OS properly
On Friday 25 May 2012 18:23:37 Tom H wrote: On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 11:53 AM, Mika Suomalainen mika.henrik.mai...@hotmail.com wrote: On 25.05.2012 15:49, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Fri, 2012-05-25 at 17:37 +0500, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote: deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main deb-src http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian sid main You're issue is related to the sid repository. If you need something from sid, then uncomment it and after that comment it. Don't feel secure using pinning. You can name the repositories stable instead of squeeze, so it will use stable what ever Debian stable is named. Is it safe to use stable instead of squeeze? Are there usually any conflicts or anything what would need full-upgrade whenever new stable is named? No. No need for aptitude full-upgrade, even apt-get upgrade/aptitude safe-upgrade will pull in wheezy (partially) when it becomes stable. I prefer to use aptitude full-upgrade routinely - but I have the code name in my sources.list, not stable or testing. I then change the code name when I want to get the more recent version. So, Squeeze not stable, Muhammad. you could get in quite a mess at the changeover point from Squeeze to Wheezy if you have stable in your sources.list, as several people have pointed out. I can't comment on your Windows analogies as I don't use Windows. I think that you need to expect that Linux will be different from whatever you used in Windows. They are very different OSs. FWIW, I do most of my admin from the CLI, including updating and upgrading. So yes, it can be done from the CLI. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201205252130.54213.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: how to update Debian OS properly
On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 02:17:35PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: things for your current install might be /home only. Perhaps xorg.conf and some other files, using cp -pr while you're root. But in the future completely backup using e.g. tar. Note, if you sync, you anyway might lose data, since you might notice some issues after doing several backups and not already with the backup that did cause an issue. Yes, sync is not backup (that is, an rsync by itself is not adequate coverage). But neither is tar! A proper backup solution is something that covers the seven points listed at http://www.taobackup.com/. You can build a solution using parts like tar, or rsync, or higher level tools like rdiff-backup, or bacula. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120525220506.GE31519@debian
