Re: iceweasel 4 on squeeze?

2011-03-29 Thread Frank Lanitz
Am 23.03.2011 14:31, schrieb Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.:
 I recommend a complex pinning setup like mine so you can pull individual 
 packages from backports/testing/unstable/experimental and keep them up to 
 date 
 while having as many packages as possible sourced from stable.

Or just make usage of backports once FF4 is getting in there as I
assume, its a candidate ;)

Cheers,
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Re: iceweasel 4 on squeeze?

2011-03-29 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom

Freeman wrote:

On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 09:52:08AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:

On 03/23/2011 07:01 AM, Brad Alexander wrote:

Too soon?

I had thought about grabbing the one from experimental (rc2?), but decided
against that for a squeeze system.


Because of the radical changes in v4.0, I *strongly* urge that you
install FF 4.0 to /usr/local/bin or ~/bin, since you or your wife
might (as I do) dislike the way that v4 works.




Even using separate profiles for iceweasel 3.5 and Ff 4.0, I accidentally
brought Ff 4.0 in iceweasel's profile once (before making a special menu
item for it) and so Ff 4.0 disabled an addon (a harder to get one) which I
had to reinstall because I couldn't get it re-enabled in iceweasel.

Didn't Bill Gates convene the industry about 10 years ago on the problem
of upgrade shock, defined as when users, particularly employees, refuse to
upgrade because they don't want to spend more of their limited time
learning to do the same thing yet again, like when the UI changes?



I missed that. But I wonder if the industry listened...

Hugo


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Re: iceweasel 4 on squeeze?

2011-03-29 Thread Ron Johnson

On 03/29/2011 08:49 AM, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:

Freeman wrote:

On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 09:52:08AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:

On 03/23/2011 07:01 AM, Brad Alexander wrote:

Too soon?

I had thought about grabbing the one from experimental (rc2?), but
decided
against that for a squeeze system.


Because of the radical changes in v4.0, I *strongly* urge that you
install FF 4.0 to /usr/local/bin or ~/bin, since you or your wife
might (as I do) dislike the way that v4 works.




Even using separate profiles for iceweasel 3.5 and Ff 4.0, I accidentally
brought Ff 4.0 in iceweasel's profile once (before making a special menu
item for it) and so Ff 4.0 disabled an addon (a harder to get one)
which I
had to reinstall because I couldn't get it re-enabled in iceweasel.

Didn't Bill Gates convene the industry about 10 years ago on the
problem
of upgrade shock, defined as when users, particularly employees,
refuse to
upgrade because they don't want to spend more of their limited time
learning to do the same thing yet again, like when the UI changes?



I missed that. But I wonder if the industry listened...



MSFT sure didn't.  But they still use it as a FUD bludgeon against 
switching away from Windows.


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Re: iceweasel 4 on squeeze?

2011-03-29 Thread Freeman
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 11:58:47AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
 On 03/29/2011 08:49 AM, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
 Freeman wrote:
 
 
 I missed that. But I wonder if the industry listened...
 
 
 MSFT sure didn't.  But they still use it as a FUD bludgeon against
 switching away from Windows.
 

Ah yes, the most secure OS in the world.

I haven't seen 7, but Vista impresses me as having the most confounding
rip-off of the Linux security model imaginable, or more than imaginable.

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Re: iceweasel 4 on squeeze?

2011-03-28 Thread Freeman
On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 09:52:08AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
 On 03/23/2011 07:01 AM, Brad Alexander wrote:
 Too soon?
 
 I had thought about grabbing the one from experimental (rc2?), but decided
 against that for a squeeze system.
 
 
 Because of the radical changes in v4.0, I *strongly* urge that you
 install FF 4.0 to /usr/local/bin or ~/bin, since you or your wife
 might (as I do) dislike the way that v4 works.
 
 

Even using separate profiles for iceweasel 3.5 and Ff 4.0, I accidentally
brought Ff 4.0 in iceweasel's profile once (before making a special menu
item for it) and so Ff 4.0 disabled an addon (a harder to get one) which I
had to reinstall because I couldn't get it re-enabled in iceweasel.

Didn't Bill Gates convene the industry about 10 years ago on the problem
of upgrade shock, defined as when users, particularly employees, refuse to
upgrade because they don't want to spend more of their limited time
learning to do the same thing yet again, like when the UI changes?

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Re: iceweasel 4 on squeeze?

2011-03-26 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 26/03/11 13:13, Ron Johnson wrote:
 On 03/25/2011 06:19 PM, Scott Ferguson wrote:
 On 26/03/11 08:40, Ron Johnson wrote:
 On 03/24/2011 08:41 PM, Scott Ferguson wrote:
 On 25/03/11 03:10, Ron Johnson wrote:
 On 03/24/2011 10:21 AM, Tony van der Hoff wrote:
 On 24/03/11 14:52, Ron Johnson wrote:

 Because of the radical changes in v4.0, I *strongly* urge that you
 install FF 4.0 to /usr/local/bin or ~/bin, since you or your wife
 might
 (as I do) dislike the way that v4 works.

 I installed Firefox4 to ~/.firefox and Iceweasel4 to ~/.iceweasel4

correction: I installed Firefox4 *profiles* to ~/.firefox and Iceweasel4
to ~/.iceweasel4 (iceweasel3.x lives in ~/.mozilla)


 
 How did you install IW4 into your $HOME? 

ac_add_options --with-user-appdir
puts profile where ever you want it, you need to make a couple of other
changes to stop overwriting system default browser and messing up menu
entries.

 I don't think that dpkg has
 the ability to redirect output.

It does, and it's probably a better (proper) way of doing things
eg. chroot followed by dpkg --instdir (from memory).

Alternatively extract, hack, and repackage the .deb.
or just build statically linked

Properly applied dpkg --divert (?) will probably keep things from breaking

 
snipped

 
 Most probably.  A similar addon (Old Location Bar) makes FF3.x tolerable.

Do you mean it puts location bar above tabs?

 
 My main motivation for moving to 4 was freedom from ffflash, and the
 ability to build lighter netbooks.

 
 Eh?  YouTube isn't the be-all and end-all of video...

I don't think all YouTube videos are HTML5 yet, but it's the most common
reason users cite for needing ffflash. And ffflash is a pain to keep
updated. I can force apt-get on them, and easy as Iceweasel makes things
- I can't force (l)users to update extensions/plugins.

Yeah Gnash works, kind of... kudos to the guy's work too (another
Aussie!), but I still dislike ffflash - I can't think of any
justification for it.

Disclaimer: I use YouTube, saves bandwidth on sites, makes for another
backlink - but mostly it keeps clients happy (bless their pointy little
heads)

 
snipped

 
 The Workplace Shell was pretty amazing.  I loved Warp 3 on my 486DX33.
 

It's still good. I had some clients who own a string of service stations
- they still run OS/2 - for POS, training, and inventory. It just works,
and they sure are getting their money's worth for hardware and software
(though Pegasus routed through NZ is just strange).

Maybe one day IBM will open-source it (OS/2)


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Re: iceweasel 4 on squeeze?

2011-03-26 Thread Brian
On Fri 25 Mar 2011 at 19:10:47 -0400, Patrick Wiseman wrote:

 'Edit, Preferences, General' doesn't offer you a startup option Show
 my windows and tabs from last time?  Mine does.

It does and I've now set it to that. Thanks.


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Re: iceweasel 4 on squeeze?

2011-03-26 Thread Brian
On Sat 26 Mar 2011 at 10:34:36 +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote:

 Both Iceweasel4 and Firefox4, on both Lenny and Squeeze do for me. I run
 KDE (3x and 4x respectively).

It was my misunderstanding of the Startup options which perplexed me a
little. Everything is sorted now. Thanks.


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Re: iceweasel 4 on squeeze?

2011-03-26 Thread Andrew McGlashan

Ron Johnson wrote:
I *found* it, but it had moved for no reason.  Like a wife that 
rearranges the furniture for no reason except I was bored.


Gotta agree with that one!  The same problems arose with MS Office 
updates, the earlier versions were easy to work with, the newer 
updated versions are completely different -- change for change sake? 
Don't fix what is NOT broken.  :(


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Re: iceweasel 4 on squeeze?

2011-03-26 Thread Tony van der Hoff

On 26/03/11 14:37, Andrew McGlashan wrote:

Ron Johnson wrote:

I *found* it, but it had moved for no reason. Like a wife that
rearranges the furniture for no reason except I was bored.


Gotta agree with that one! The same problems arose with MS Office
updates, the earlier versions were easy to work with, the newer
updated versions are completely different -- change for change sake?
Don't fix what is NOT broken. :(


For some values of broken.

I have no problem with the UI changing if the end result is better. My 
definition of *better*, of course. The new tab button is IMHO an 
improvement.


Yes, I had to spend some time fiddling around with the UI options to 
make it look like I wanted, (the home button; the reload button) but 
there it is. Personally I rather like FF4.


It is without any doubt faster, which alleviates one major complaint 
from chrome users against FF. That, in itself, justifies it's existence.


But, hey, YMMV ...

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Re: iceweasel 4 on squeeze?

2011-03-26 Thread Ron Johnson

On 03/26/2011 07:18 AM, Scott Ferguson wrote:

On 26/03/11 13:13, Ron Johnson wrote:

[snip]


Most probably.  A similar addon (Old Location Bar) makes FF3.x tolerable.


Do you mean it puts location bar above tabs?



https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/old-location-bar/

Causes Firefox 3's Location Bar AwesomeBar to look and act more like 
Firefox 2's old location bar.


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Re: iceweasel 4 on squeeze?

2011-03-26 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 27/03/11 07:56, Ron Johnson wrote:
 On 03/26/2011 07:18 AM, Scott Ferguson wrote:
 On 26/03/11 13:13, Ron Johnson wrote:
 [snip]

 Most probably.  A similar addon (Old Location Bar) makes FF3.x
 tolerable.

 Do you mean it puts location bar above tabs?

 
 https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/old-location-bar/
 
 Causes Firefox 3's Location Bar AwesomeBar to look and act more like
 Firefox 2's old location bar.
 


That explains my confusion (failure to properly read your post) - I
'thought' it had something to do with Iceweasel/Firefox 4 (I can't
even remember what 2x looked like). I note that the developer is
considering a version for Firefox 4x.

I was referring to the most obvious UI change between 3x and 4x - that
the tabs now appear above the location bar (which means the addons tab
obscures the location bar). Increasingly I like the new 4x ui - though I
suspect Google Chrome is quicker, but Iceweasel is my favourite because
I distrust the packagers less, and I like the addons. To be fair I
haven't really tried the latest Konqueror.
All I wait for now is Swiftfox 4 :-)

I've heard similar complaints from users about changes, which I
dismissed. I'll rethink that now and I shall bear your experience and
solutions in mind.

Cheers

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Re: iceweasel 4 on squeeze?

2011-03-26 Thread Eduardo M KALINOWSKI
On 03/26/2011 08:20 PM, Scott Ferguson wrote:
 I was referring to the most obvious UI change between 3x and 4x - that
 the tabs now appear above the location bar (which means the addons tab
 obscures the location bar). 

Right click on the tabs bar and mark tabs on bottom.


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Re: iceweasel 4 on squeeze?

2011-03-26 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 27/03/11 10:50, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote:
 On 03/26/2011 08:20 PM, Scott Ferguson wrote:
 I was referring to the most obvious UI change between 3x and 4x - that
 the tabs now appear above the location bar (which means the addons tab
 obscures the location bar). 
 
 Right click on the tabs bar and mark tabs on bottom.
 
 

Nice!  (though I'm happy with the current setting, and don't need
location bar while addons are open).

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Re: iceweasel 4 on squeeze?

2011-03-25 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom

Ron Johnson wrote:

On 03/24/2011 10:21 AM, Tony van der Hoff wrote:

On 24/03/11 14:52, Ron Johnson wrote:



Because of the radical changes in v4.0, I *strongly* urge that you
install FF 4.0 to /usr/local/bin or ~/bin, since you or your wife might
(as I do) dislike the way that v4 works.



Care to elaborate on what you dislike about it?



A bunch of small stuff:
- right clicking on a tab doesn't have New Tab anymore.
- When right-clicking on a link, the order of Open in New Window
  and Open in New Tab are reversed.
- Tools-Addons opens a childish-looking Tab instead of the current,
  functional window.
- The Old Location Bar doesn't work anymore.
- The new theme is, I think, stupid looking.

Like GNOME v3, they're Fixing What Ain't Broken and that pisses me off.



Right on.

Hugo


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Re: iceweasel 4 on squeeze?

2011-03-25 Thread Brad Alexander
I've been using it for a couple of weeks now, and I don't have a problem
with it. The only issue, as with all ffx releases is the lag in my favorite
add-ons catching up.


I believe that she will be happy being able to do slideshows and mmedia
without having to open another browser...

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On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 10:52 AM, Ron Johnson ron.l.john...@cox.net wrote:

 On 03/23/2011 07:01 AM, Brad Alexander wrote:

 Too soon?

 I had thought about grabbing the one from experimental (rc2?), but decided
 against that for a squeeze system.


 Because of the radical changes in v4.0, I *strongly* urge that you install
 FF 4.0 to /usr/local/bin or ~/bin, since you or your wife might (as I do)
 dislike the way that v4 works.



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Re: iceweasel 4 on squeeze?

2011-03-25 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom

Ron Johnson wrote:

On 03/24/2011 10:21 AM, Tony van der Hoff wrote:

On 24/03/11 14:52, Ron Johnson wrote:



Because of the radical changes in v4.0, I *strongly* urge that you
install FF 4.0 to /usr/local/bin or ~/bin, since you or your wife might
(as I do) dislike the way that v4 works.



Care to elaborate on what you dislike about it?



A bunch of small stuff:
- right clicking on a tab doesn't have New Tab anymore.
- When right-clicking on a link, the order of Open in New Window
  and Open in New Tab are reversed.
- Tools-Addons opens a childish-looking Tab instead of the current,
  functional window.
- The Old Location Bar doesn't work anymore.
- The new theme is, I think, stupid looking.

Like GNOME v3, they're Fixing What Ain't Broken and that pisses me off.



and it does not offer to save my setup anymore, so after I quit I have 
to start all over gain... POC


Hugo


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Re: iceweasel 4 on squeeze?

2011-03-25 Thread Ron Johnson

On 03/24/2011 08:41 PM, Scott Ferguson wrote:

On 25/03/11 03:10, Ron Johnson wrote:

On 03/24/2011 10:21 AM, Tony van der Hoff wrote:

On 24/03/11 14:52, Ron Johnson wrote:



Because of the radical changes in v4.0, I *strongly* urge that you
install FF 4.0 to /usr/local/bin or ~/bin, since you or your wife might
(as I do) dislike the way that v4 works.



Care to elaborate on what you dislike about it?



A bunch of small stuff:
- right clicking on a tab doesn't have New Tab anymore.


True. See the blue cross on the right-hand side of the tab? Clicking on
that will open a new tab. One click instead of two! :-)



Muscle memory and habit.

Tabs and the search bar were the big UI advances in the history of 
Netscape  Mozilla.  The original (derived from Mosaic?) UI was darned 
good as it was.


The Win98/2K (originally from Win95???) Start button is still a good 
motif.  Panels (originally from OSX?) and applets when *combined* with 
the Start menu make it even more useful.


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Re: iceweasel 4 on squeeze?

2011-03-25 Thread Brian
On Fri 25 Mar 2011 at 14:45:52 -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:

 and it does not offer to save my setup anymore, so after I quit I have  
 to start all over gain... POC

Mine doesn't offer to save open tabs either but on restarting it does
present a Google search field and the option to restore the previous
session.


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Re: iceweasel 4 on squeeze?

2011-03-25 Thread Patrick Wiseman
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 6:41 PM, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote:
 On Fri 25 Mar 2011 at 14:45:52 -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:

 and it does not offer to save my setup anymore, so after I quit I have
 to start all over gain... POC

 Mine doesn't offer to save open tabs either but on restarting it does
 present a Google search field and the option to restore the previous
 session.

'Edit, Preferences, General' doesn't offer you a startup option Show
my windows and tabs from last time?  Mine does.

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Re: iceweasel 4 on squeeze?

2011-03-25 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 26/03/11 08:40, Ron Johnson wrote:
 On 03/24/2011 08:41 PM, Scott Ferguson wrote:
 On 25/03/11 03:10, Ron Johnson wrote:
 On 03/24/2011 10:21 AM, Tony van der Hoff wrote:
 On 24/03/11 14:52, Ron Johnson wrote:

 Because of the radical changes in v4.0, I *strongly* urge that you
 install FF 4.0 to /usr/local/bin or ~/bin, since you or your wife
 might
 (as I do) dislike the way that v4 works.

I installed Firefox4 to ~/.firefox and Iceweasel4 to ~/.iceweasel4

I've no idea if that is correct, I just did it to keep multiple browsers
and versions available for my profile. Alternative solutions welcomed.



 Care to elaborate on what you dislike about it?


 A bunch of small stuff:
 - right clicking on a tab doesn't have New Tab anymore.

 True. See the blue cross on the right-hand side of the tab? Clicking on
 that will open a new tab. One click instead of two! :-)

 
 Muscle memory and habit.

I also wondered where the open in new tab went - till I watched a
small child do it! :-/

 
 Tabs and the search bar were the big UI advances in the history of
 Netscape  Mozilla.  The original (derived from Mosaic?) UI was darned
 good as it was.

Hang in there - I'm sure you're not the only one. It's just a matter of
time before someone comes up with a theme that makes the 4 ui  look like
3.x.

My main motivation for moving to 4 was freedom from ffflash, and the
ability to build lighter netbooks.

 
 The Win98/2K (originally from Win95???) Start button is still a good
 motif.  Panels (originally from OSX?) and applets when *combined* with
 the Start menu make it even more useful.
 

I seem to remember a Start style button on my first PS/2 - long before
Windoof 3 (IBM OS2/Win32)


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Re: iceweasel 4 on squeeze?

2011-03-25 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 26/03/11 09:41, Brian wrote:
 On Fri 25 Mar 2011 at 14:45:52 -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
 
 and it does not offer to save my setup anymore, so after I quit I have  
 to start all over gain... POC
 
 Mine doesn't offer to save open tabs either but on restarting it does
 present a Google search field and the option to restore the previous
 session.
 
 
Both Iceweasel4 and Firefox4, on both Lenny and Squeeze do for me. I run
KDE (3x and 4x respectively).

What do you have for the value of browser.tabs.warnOnClose in about:config?

Also under Preferences -- Tabs what do you have selected?

I am using Sync, NoScript, and Firebug, which *do* change settings.

Relevant settings:-

browser.tabs.warnOnClose: true
browser.warnOnQuit: true
browser.startup.page: 1 or 2


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Re: iceweasel 4 on squeeze?

2011-03-25 Thread Greg Madden


On Wednesday 23 March 2011 02:57:38 pm Andreas Rönnquist wrote:
 On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 15:17:44 +

 Peter Tynan peter.ty...@gmail.com wrote:
  On 23 March 2011 15:04, Brad Alexander stor...@gmail.com wrote:
   Very cool site. However, I just added it, and added the key, and
   upgraded, but got
  
   [root@galaxy sources.list.d]# apt-get install -t squeeze-backports
   iceweasel Reading package lists... Done
   Building dependency tree
   Reading state information... Done
   iceweasel is already the newest version.
   0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 12 not upgraded.
   [root@galaxy sources.list.d]# dpkg -l | grep weasel
   ii  iceweasel
   3.5.16-5 Web browser based on Firefox
 
  At http://mozilla.debian.net/ select the version of Iceweasel you want
  and the Debian release you are using and follow the instructions, I
  suspect you did not select Iceweasel 4.0 on the drop down menu...
 
  Peter

 I tried this too, but I run into the same problems that Brad did.
 Adding the mozilla.debian.net to sources.list, adding the key, and
 updating/dist-upgrading does nothing for me.

 I want the 4.0 for Squeeze, but get nothing.

 I am on AMD64, maybe its only i386 this far?

 best regards
 /Andreas

Do you have an '/etc/apt/preferences' file ? I had mine setup, and it was 
preventing the upgrade to iceweasel 4. I temporarily renamed it, and I am able 
to 
upgrade, now I don't want to. I am using Minefield as my personal multimedia 
browser, iceweasel stable for work. 

 I need to understand ore about pinning :-)
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Re: iceweasel 4 on squeeze?

2011-03-25 Thread Ron Johnson

On 03/25/2011 06:19 PM, Scott Ferguson wrote:

On 26/03/11 08:40, Ron Johnson wrote:

On 03/24/2011 08:41 PM, Scott Ferguson wrote:

On 25/03/11 03:10, Ron Johnson wrote:

On 03/24/2011 10:21 AM, Tony van der Hoff wrote:

On 24/03/11 14:52, Ron Johnson wrote:



Because of the radical changes in v4.0, I *strongly* urge that you
install FF 4.0 to /usr/local/bin or ~/bin, since you or your wife
might
(as I do) dislike the way that v4 works.


I installed Firefox4 to ~/.firefox and Iceweasel4 to ~/.iceweasel4



How did you install IW4 into your $HOME?  I don't think that dpkg has 
the ability to redirect output.



I've no idea if that is correct, I just did it to keep multiple browsers
and versions available for my profile. Alternative solutions welcomed.



I put FF4 in ~/bin/firefox.





Care to elaborate on what you dislike about it?



A bunch of small stuff:
- right clicking on a tab doesn't have New Tab anymore.


True. See the blue cross on the right-hand side of the tab? Clicking on
that will open a new tab. One click instead of two! :-)



Muscle memory and habit.


I also wondered where the open in new tab went - till I watched a
small child do it! :-/



I *found* it, but it had moved for no reason.  Like a wife that 
rearranges the furniture for no reason except I was bored.




Tabs and the search bar were the big UI advances in the history of
Netscape  Mozilla.  The original (derived from Mosaic?) UI was darned
good as it was.


Hang in there - I'm sure you're not the only one. It's just a matter of
time before someone comes up with a theme that makes the 4 ui  look like
3.x.



Most probably.  A similar addon (Old Location Bar) makes FF3.x tolerable.


My main motivation for moving to 4 was freedom from ffflash, and the
ability to build lighter netbooks.



Eh?  YouTube isn't the be-all and end-all of video...



The Win98/2K (originally from Win95???) Start button is still a good
motif.  Panels (originally from OSX?) and applets when *combined* with
the Start menu make it even more useful.



I seem to remember a Start style button on my first PS/2 - long before
Windoof 3 (IBM OS2/Win32)



The Workplace Shell was pretty amazing.  I loved Warp 3 on my 486DX33.

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Re: iceweasel 4 on squeeze?

2011-03-24 Thread Ken Heard
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Steven Sciame wrote:
 
 This is confusing.  There is 'backports.debian.org' and 'mozilla.debian.net'. 
 Both 
 use squeeze-backports in sources.list.
 
 apt-get install -t squeeze-backports iceweasel, on my box,  points to 
 backports.debian.net, I haven't added the mozilla.debian.net to my sources 
 yet as 
 this would be two squeeze-backports options. Do they work together?
 
I am not sure about this, but I seem to remember fro somewhere that
which backports repository apt-get/aptitude will use to find a given
package depends on the order they are listed in sources.list. If
mozilla.debian.net precedes backports.debian.org, apt-get/aptitude will
take iceweasel 4 instead of 3.5.  Since iceweasel 4 seems to be the only
package in mozilla.debian.net, all other backported packages will come
from backports.debian.org.  I have not yet upgraded to squeeze; so I
cannot check this hypothesis.  Perhaps someone can verify whether I am
correct or am talking through my Hat -- Red or Fedora.

Reagrds, Ken
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Re: iceweasel 4 on squeeze?

2011-03-24 Thread Liam O'Toole
On 2011-03-23, Andreas Rönnquist gus...@gusnan.se wrote:
 On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 15:17:44 +
 Peter Tynan peter.ty...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 23 March 2011 15:04, Brad Alexander stor...@gmail.com wrote:
  Very cool site. However, I just added it, and added the key, and upgraded,
  but got
 
  [root@galaxy sources.list.d]# apt-get install -t squeeze-backports 
  iceweasel
  Reading package lists... Done
  Building dependency tree
  Reading state information... Done
  iceweasel is already the newest version.
  0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 12 not upgraded.
  [root@galaxy sources.list.d]# dpkg -l | grep weasel
  ii  iceweasel
  3.5.16-5 Web browser based on Firefox
 
 At http://mozilla.debian.net/ select the version of Iceweasel you want
 and the Debian release you are using and follow the instructions, I
 suspect you did not select Iceweasel 4.0 on the drop down menu...
 
 Peter
 

 I tried this too, but I run into the same problems that Brad did.
 Adding the mozilla.debian.net to sources.list, adding the key, and
 updating/dist-upgrading does nothing for me. 

 I want the 4.0 for Squeeze, but get nothing.

 I am on AMD64, maybe its only i386 this far?


No, they appear to offer both:

http://mozilla.debian.net/dists/squeeze-backports/

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Re: iceweasel 4 on squeeze?

2011-03-24 Thread Liam O'Toole
On 2011-03-24, Brad Alexander stor...@gmail.com wrote:
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 I don't think it would give you the already at the newest version error if
 it was a server load issue. It looks like it's not even going out to the
 site, its checking its version and leaving satisfied.

 I thought it might be that the version was called something like iceweasel-=
 4
 but that wasn't to be. I did check, and the versions available are

 Version: 3.0.6-3
 Version: 3.5.16-5
 Version: 3.5.17-1
 Version: 4.0~rc2-2
 Version: 4.0-1~bpo60+1

 which would be lenny, squeeze, wheezy/sid, experimental and
 squeeze-backports. I wonder if it has anything to do with the odd version
 numbers.

It worked for me out of the box, as they say. Iceweasel 4 was
automatically selected on 'aptitude safe-upgrade'. Here is my complete
sources.list:

##
deb http://ftp.ie.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free
deb-src http://ftp.ie.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free

deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main contrib non-free
deb-src http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main contrib non-free

deb http://ftp.heanet.ie/mirrors/debian-multimedia/ squeeze main non-free
deb-src http://ftp.heanet.ie/mirrors/debian-multimedia/ squeeze main non-free

deb http://ftp.ie.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-updates main contrib non-free
deb-src http://ftp.ie.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-updates main contrib non-free

deb http://ftp.ie.debian.org/debian-backports/ squeeze-backports main contrib 
non-free
deb-src http://ftp.ie.debian.org/debian-backports/ squeeze-backports main 
contrib non-free

deb http://mozilla.debian.net/ squeeze-backports iceweasel-4.0
##

And here is the output of 'apt-cache policy iceweasel':

iceweasel:
  Installed: 4.0-1~bpo60+1
  Candidate: 4.0-1~bpo60+1
  Version table:
 *** 4.0-1~bpo60+1 0
500 http://mozilla.debian.net/ squeeze-backports/iceweasel-4.0 i386 
Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
 3.5.16-6 0
500 http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates/main i386 Packages
 3.5.16-5 0
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Re: iceweasel 4 on squeeze?

2011-03-24 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On 2011-03-24 04:03:27 Ken Heard wrote:
Steven Sciame wrote:
 This is confusing.  There is 'backports.debian.org' and
 'mozilla.debian.net'. Both use squeeze-backports in sources.list.
 
 apt-get install -t squeeze-backports iceweasel, on my box,  points to
 backports.debian.net, I haven't added the mozilla.debian.net to my sources
 yet as this would be two squeeze-backports options. Do they work
 together?

I am not sure about this, but I seem to remember fro somewhere that
which backports repository apt-get/aptitude will use to find a given
package depends on the order they are listed in sources.list.

The ordering only matters when the same package name *and version* are 
available from multiple sources.

In fact, it is more subtle than that, involving the priority system as well.  
But basically, ordering in the file is the sorting-of-last-resort.
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Re: iceweasel 4 on squeeze?

2011-03-24 Thread Ron Johnson

On 03/23/2011 07:01 AM, Brad Alexander wrote:

Too soon?

I had thought about grabbing the one from experimental (rc2?), but decided
against that for a squeeze system.



Because of the radical changes in v4.0, I *strongly* urge that you 
install FF 4.0 to /usr/local/bin or ~/bin, since you or your wife might 
(as I do) dislike the way that v4 works.



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Re: iceweasel 4 on squeeze?

2011-03-24 Thread Tony van der Hoff

On 24/03/11 14:52, Ron Johnson wrote:



Because of the radical changes in v4.0, I *strongly* urge that you
install FF 4.0 to /usr/local/bin or ~/bin, since you or your wife might
(as I do) dislike the way that v4 works.



Care to elaborate on what you dislike about it?

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Re: iceweasel 4 on squeeze? OT question

2011-03-24 Thread Paul E Condon
On 20110324_160327, Ken Heard wrote:
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 Steven Sciame wrote:
  
  This is confusing.  There is 'backports.debian.org' and 
  'mozilla.debian.net'. Both 
  use squeeze-backports in sources.list.
  
  apt-get install -t squeeze-backports iceweasel, on my box,  points to 
  backports.debian.net, I haven't added the mozilla.debian.net to my sources 
  yet as 
  this would be two squeeze-backports options. Do they work together?

What about iceweasel 4 in wheezy? Will that just happen in a few 
days/weesk/months? Which? (days|weeks|months)?

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Re: iceweasel 4 on squeeze?

2011-03-24 Thread Ron Johnson

On 03/24/2011 10:21 AM, Tony van der Hoff wrote:

On 24/03/11 14:52, Ron Johnson wrote:



Because of the radical changes in v4.0, I *strongly* urge that you
install FF 4.0 to /usr/local/bin or ~/bin, since you or your wife might
(as I do) dislike the way that v4 works.



Care to elaborate on what you dislike about it?



A bunch of small stuff:
- right clicking on a tab doesn't have New Tab anymore.
- When right-clicking on a link, the order of Open in New Window
  and Open in New Tab are reversed.
- Tools-Addons opens a childish-looking Tab instead of the current,
  functional window.
- The Old Location Bar doesn't work anymore.
- The new theme is, I think, stupid looking.

Like GNOME v3, they're Fixing What Ain't Broken and that pisses me off.

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Re: iceweasel 4 on squeeze? OT question

2011-03-24 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On 2011-03-24 11:04:02 Paul E Condon wrote:
On 20110324_160327, Ken Heard wrote:
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 Steven Sciame wrote:
  This is confusing.  There is 'backports.debian.org' and
  'mozilla.debian.net'. Both use squeeze-backports in sources.list.
  
  apt-get install -t squeeze-backports iceweasel, on my box,  points to
  backports.debian.net, I haven't added the mozilla.debian.net to my
  sources yet as this would be two squeeze-backports options. Do they
  work together?

What about iceweasel 4 in wheezy? Will that just happen in a few
days/weesk/months? Which? (days|weeks|months)?

At this point, it is only in experimental.  That doesn't establish a schedule 
for migration to testing.  Since we are no longer under freeze, an upload to 
experimental indicates that the DD uploading the package has doubts about it's 
quality, and is seeking wider testing before even uploading to unstable.  
(This may be due to the quality of the upstream software OR packaging 
changes.)

Once the package hits unstable, you can use 
http://packages.qa.debian.org/i/iceweasel.html to watch the testing 
migration and watch it move to Wheezy.  Normally, I think 15 days is the 
waiting period, but that can be controlled somewhat by the DD performing the 
upload to unstable.  It can also get hung in other transitions.
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Re: iceweasel 4 on squeeze?

2011-03-24 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 25/03/11 03:10, Ron Johnson wrote:
 On 03/24/2011 10:21 AM, Tony van der Hoff wrote:
 On 24/03/11 14:52, Ron Johnson wrote:

 Because of the radical changes in v4.0, I *strongly* urge that you
 install FF 4.0 to /usr/local/bin or ~/bin, since you or your wife might
 (as I do) dislike the way that v4 works.


 Care to elaborate on what you dislike about it?

 
 A bunch of small stuff:
 - right clicking on a tab doesn't have New Tab anymore.

True. See the blue cross on the right-hand side of the tab? Clicking on
that will open a new tab. One click instead of two! :-)

 - When right-clicking on a link, the order of Open in New Window
   and Open in New Tab are reversed.

With Iceweasel 4 on KDE4 and no themes or addons I have it as the first
choice, followed by Open in New Window, a divider, then Bookmark this
link. Ditto with Firefox 4 on Lenny with KDE 3.x many addons, no themes.

 - Tools-Addons opens a childish-looking Tab instead of the current,
   functional window.

I don't have that! I used to have that with earlier versions of
Iceweasel and Swiftfox  - now it is a window in a new tab that opens.

 - The Old Location Bar doesn't work anymore.

Not sure what you mean by doesn't work. Both of mine do. Though the
location bar is covered when the add-ons window is open.

 - The new theme is, I think, stupid looking.

Easily changed - like the Iceweasel theme, I don't like the Firefox theme.

 
 Like GNOME v3, they're Fixing What Ain't Broken and that pisses me off.
 

I'm not sure what was broken in earlier versions (from my perspective).
While the UI has some small changes - and it seems to run quicker, I'm
yet to see any reason to migrate from 3.x to 4.x.

Note: I'm referring above to Iceweasel 4 on Squeeze, and Firefox 4 on
Lenny - I run a number of add-ons which might influence things, my
previous theme (KDE) didn't survive the upgrade.

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iceweasel 4 on squeeze?

2011-03-23 Thread Brad Alexander
Too soon?

I had thought about grabbing the one from experimental (rc2?), but decided
against that for a squeeze system.

--b


Re: iceweasel 4 on squeeze?

2011-03-23 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On 2011-03-23 07:01:21 Brad Alexander wrote:
I had thought about grabbing the one from experimental (rc2?), but decided
against that for a squeeze system.

Squeeze is released, which mean it will no longer receive new upstream 
versions.  Updates will be limited to security issues and important bug fixes.

I recommend a complex pinning setup like mine so you can pull individual 
packages from backports/testing/unstable/experimental and keep them up to date 
while having as many packages as possible sourced from stable.
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Re: iceweasel 4 on squeeze?

2011-03-23 Thread Peter Tynan
On 23 March 2011 13:31, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. b...@iguanasuicide.net wrote:
 On 2011-03-23 07:01:21 Brad Alexander wrote:
I had thought about grabbing the one from experimental (rc2?), but decided
against that for a squeeze system.


You may want to try http://mozilla.debian.net/

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Re: iceweasel 4 on squeeze?

2011-03-23 Thread Juha Tuuna
On 23.3.2011 14:01, Brad Alexander wrote:
 Too soon?
 
 I had thought about grabbing the one from experimental (rc2?), but decided
 against that for a squeeze system.
 
 --b

I've used the original package from Mozilla and installed it in /opt. Works
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Re: iceweasel 4 on squeeze?

2011-03-23 Thread Leonardo Ruoso
I've tried «apt-get install -t experimental iceweasel» first, but
sounded better to me as «aptitude install --with-recommends -t
experimental iceweasel-l10n-pt-br»!


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  On 2011-03-23 07:01:21 Brad Alexander wrote:
 I had thought about grabbing the one from experimental (rc2?), but
 decided
 against that for a squeeze system.


 You may want to try http://mozilla.debian.net/

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Re: iceweasel 4 on squeeze?

2011-03-23 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom

Peter Tynan wrote:

On 23 March 2011 13:31, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. b...@iguanasuicide.net wrote:

On 2011-03-23 07:01:21 Brad Alexander wrote:

I had thought about grabbing the one from experimental (rc2?), but decided
against that for a squeeze system.



You may want to try http://mozilla.debian.net/



Neat. I didn't know that.

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Re: iceweasel 4 on squeeze?

2011-03-23 Thread Brad Alexander
Very cool site. However, I just added it, and added the key, and upgraded,
but got

[root@galaxy sources.list.d]# apt-get install -t squeeze-backports iceweasel
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
iceweasel is already the newest version.
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 12 not upgraded.
[root@galaxy sources.list.d]# dpkg -l | grep weasel
ii  iceweasel
3.5.16-5 Web browser based on Firefox

It's not upgrading, even though I have added the backports site.

--b

On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 9:42 AM, Peter Tynan peter.ty...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 23 March 2011 13:31, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. b...@iguanasuicide.net
 wrote:
  On 2011-03-23 07:01:21 Brad Alexander wrote:
 I had thought about grabbing the one from experimental (rc2?), but
 decided
 against that for a squeeze system.


 You may want to try http://mozilla.debian.net/

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Re: iceweasel 4 on squeeze?

2011-03-23 Thread Peter Tynan
On 23 March 2011 15:04, Brad Alexander stor...@gmail.com wrote:
 Very cool site. However, I just added it, and added the key, and upgraded,
 but got

 [root@galaxy sources.list.d]# apt-get install -t squeeze-backports iceweasel
 Reading package lists... Done
 Building dependency tree
 Reading state information... Done
 iceweasel is already the newest version.
 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 12 not upgraded.
 [root@galaxy sources.list.d]# dpkg -l | grep weasel
 ii  iceweasel
 3.5.16-5 Web browser based on Firefox

At http://mozilla.debian.net/ select the version of Iceweasel you want
and the Debian release you are using and follow the instructions, I
suspect you did not select Iceweasel 4.0 on the drop down menu...

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Re: iceweasel 4 on squeeze?

2011-03-23 Thread Peter Tynan
 On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 11:17 AM, Peter Tynan peter.ty...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 23 March 2011 15:04, Brad Alexander stor...@gmail.com wrote:
  Very cool site. However, I just added it, and added the key, and
  upgraded,
  but got
 
  [root@galaxy sources.list.d]# apt-get install -t squeeze-backports
  iceweasel
  Reading package lists... Done
  Building dependency tree
  Reading state information... Done
  iceweasel is already the newest version.
  0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 12 not upgraded.
  [root@galaxy sources.list.d]# dpkg -l | grep weasel
  ii  iceweasel
  3.5.16-5 Web browser based on Firefox

 At http://mozilla.debian.net/ select the version of Iceweasel you want
 and the Debian release you are using and follow the instructions, I
 suspect you did not select Iceweasel 4.0 on the drop down menu...

On 23 March 2011 16:33, Brad Alexander stor...@gmail.com wrote:
 I did indeed select 4.0:

 [root@galaxy sources.list.d]# cat mozilla-squeeze.list
 deb http://mozilla.debian.net/ squeeze-backports iceweasel-4.0

hmm... all I can say is it worked for me, although I used aptitude not apt-get
- silly question but you did update your sources after editing your
sources.list?


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Re: iceweasel 4 on squeeze?

2011-03-23 Thread Brad Alexander
I did.

On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 1:01 PM, Peter Tynan peter.ty...@gmail.com wrote:

  On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 11:17 AM, Peter Tynan peter.ty...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  On 23 March 2011 15:04, Brad Alexander stor...@gmail.com wrote:
   Very cool site. However, I just added it, and added the key, and
   upgraded,
   but got
  
   [root@galaxy sources.list.d]# apt-get install -t squeeze-backports
   iceweasel
   Reading package lists... Done
   Building dependency tree
   Reading state information... Done
   iceweasel is already the newest version.
   0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 12 not upgraded.
   [root@galaxy sources.list.d]# dpkg -l | grep weasel
   ii  iceweasel
   3.5.16-5 Web browser based on Firefox
 
  At http://mozilla.debian.net/ select the version of Iceweasel you want
  and the Debian release you are using and follow the instructions, I
  suspect you did not select Iceweasel 4.0 on the drop down menu...
 
 On 23 March 2011 16:33, Brad Alexander stor...@gmail.com wrote:
  I did indeed select 4.0:
 
  [root@galaxy sources.list.d]# cat mozilla-squeeze.list
  deb http://mozilla.debian.net/ squeeze-backports iceweasel-4.0

 hmm... all I can say is it worked for me, although I used aptitude not
 apt-get
 - silly question but you did update your sources after editing your
 sources.list?


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Re: iceweasel 4 on squeeze?

2011-03-23 Thread Brad Alexander
It's my wife's workstation, I may just go straight to wheezy or sid.


On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 1:29 PM, Brad Alexander stor...@gmail.com wrote:

 I did.


 On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 1:01 PM, Peter Tynan peter.ty...@gmail.comwrote:

  On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 11:17 AM, Peter Tynan peter.ty...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  On 23 March 2011 15:04, Brad Alexander stor...@gmail.com wrote:
   Very cool site. However, I just added it, and added the key, and
   upgraded,
   but got
  
   [root@galaxy sources.list.d]# apt-get install -t squeeze-backports
   iceweasel
   Reading package lists... Done
   Building dependency tree
   Reading state information... Done
   iceweasel is already the newest version.
   0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 12 not upgraded.
   [root@galaxy sources.list.d]# dpkg -l | grep weasel
   ii  iceweasel
   3.5.16-5 Web browser based on Firefox
 
  At http://mozilla.debian.net/ select the version of Iceweasel you want
  and the Debian release you are using and follow the instructions, I
  suspect you did not select Iceweasel 4.0 on the drop down menu...
 
 On 23 March 2011 16:33, Brad Alexander stor...@gmail.com wrote:
  I did indeed select 4.0:
 
  [root@galaxy sources.list.d]# cat mozilla-squeeze.list
  deb http://mozilla.debian.net/ squeeze-backports iceweasel-4.0

 hmm... all I can say is it worked for me, although I used aptitude not
 apt-get
 - silly question but you did update your sources after editing your
 sources.list?


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Re: iceweasel 4 on squeeze?

2011-03-23 Thread Greg Madden


On Wednesday 23 March 2011 09:01:45 am Peter Tynan wrote:
  On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 11:17 AM, Peter Tynan peter.ty...@gmail.com wrote:
  On 23 March 2011 15:04, Brad Alexander stor...@gmail.com wrote:
   Very cool site. However, I just added it, and added the key, and
   upgraded,
   but got
  
   [root@galaxy sources.list.d]# apt-get install -t squeeze-backports
   iceweasel
   Reading package lists... Done
   Building dependency tree
   Reading state information... Done
   iceweasel is already the newest version.
   0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 12 not upgraded.
   [root@galaxy sources.list.d]# dpkg -l | grep weasel
   ii  iceweasel
   3.5.16-5 Web browser based on Firefox
 
  At http://mozilla.debian.net/ select the version of Iceweasel you want
  and the Debian release you are using and follow the instructions, I
  suspect you did not select Iceweasel 4.0 on the drop down menu...
 
 On 23 March 2011 16:33, Brad Alexander stor...@gmail.com wrote:
  I did indeed select 4.0:
 
  [root@galaxy sources.list.d]# cat mozilla-squeeze.list
  deb http://mozilla.debian.net/ squeeze-backports iceweasel-4.0

 hmm... all I can say is it worked for me, although I used aptitude not
 apt-get - silly question but you did update your sources after editing your
 sources.list?


 Peter

This is confusing.  There is 'backports.debian.org' and 'mozilla.debian.net'. 
Both 
use squeeze-backports in sources.list.

apt-get install -t squeeze-backports iceweasel, on my box,  points to 
backports.debian.net, I haven't added the mozilla.debian.net to my sources yet 
as 
this would be two squeeze-backports options. Do they work together?

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Re: iceweasel 4 on squeeze?

2011-03-23 Thread Steven Sciame


This is confusing.  There is 'backports.debian.org' and 'mozilla.debian.net'. 
Both 
use squeeze-backports in sources.list.

apt-get install -t squeeze-backports iceweasel, on my box,  points to 
backports.debian.net, I haven't added the mozilla.debian.net to my sources yet 
as 
this would be two squeeze-backports options. Do they work together?

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I wondered the same thing when I saw,  -t squeeze-backports    Maybe since 
the package names are the same, the version number wins out in the preferences 
rules even thought there could be two targets called squeeze-backports?  Would 
pinning of 200 be needed like when using regular bckports?



  

Re: iceweasel 4 on squeeze?

2011-03-23 Thread Andreas Rönnquist
On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 15:17:44 +
Peter Tynan peter.ty...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 23 March 2011 15:04, Brad Alexander stor...@gmail.com wrote:
  Very cool site. However, I just added it, and added the key, and upgraded,
  but got
 
  [root@galaxy sources.list.d]# apt-get install -t squeeze-backports iceweasel
  Reading package lists... Done
  Building dependency tree
  Reading state information... Done
  iceweasel is already the newest version.
  0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 12 not upgraded.
  [root@galaxy sources.list.d]# dpkg -l | grep weasel
  ii  iceweasel
  3.5.16-5 Web browser based on Firefox
 
 At http://mozilla.debian.net/ select the version of Iceweasel you want
 and the Debian release you are using and follow the instructions, I
 suspect you did not select Iceweasel 4.0 on the drop down menu...
 
 Peter
 

I tried this too, but I run into the same problems that Brad did.
Adding the mozilla.debian.net to sources.list, adding the key, and
updating/dist-upgrading does nothing for me. 

I want the 4.0 for Squeeze, but get nothing.

I am on AMD64, maybe its only i386 this far?

best regards
/Andreas


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Re: iceweasel 4 on squeeze?

2011-03-23 Thread Peter Tynan
On 23 March 2011 22:57, Andreas Rönnquist gus...@gusnan.se wrote:
 On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 15:17:44 +
 Peter Tynan peter.ty...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 23 March 2011 15:04, Brad Alexander stor...@gmail.com wrote:
  Very cool site. However, I just added it, and added the key, and upgraded,
  but got
 
  [root@galaxy sources.list.d]# apt-get install -t squeeze-backports 
  iceweasel
  Reading package lists... Done
  Building dependency tree
  Reading state information... Done
  iceweasel is already the newest version.
  0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 12 not upgraded.
  [root@galaxy sources.list.d]# dpkg -l | grep weasel
  ii  iceweasel
  3.5.16-5 Web browser based on Firefox

 At http://mozilla.debian.net/ select the version of Iceweasel you want
 and the Debian release you are using and follow the instructions, I
 suspect you did not select Iceweasel 4.0 on the drop down menu...

 Peter


 I tried this too, but I run into the same problems that Brad did.
 Adding the mozilla.debian.net to sources.list, adding the key, and
 updating/dist-upgrading does nothing for me.

 I want the 4.0 for Squeeze, but get nothing.

 I am on AMD64, maybe its only i386 this far?

 best regards
 /Andreas


No, I'm using i386

could it just be that the server is struggling with high demand?

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Re: iceweasel 4 on squeeze?

2011-03-23 Thread Brad Alexander
I don't think it would give you the already at the newest version error if
it was a server load issue. It looks like it's not even going out to the
site, its checking its version and leaving satisfied.

I thought it might be that the version was called something like iceweasel-4
but that wasn't to be. I did check, and the versions available are

Version: 3.0.6-3
Version: 3.5.16-5
Version: 3.5.17-1
Version: 4.0~rc2-2
Version: 4.0-1~bpo60+1

which would be lenny, squeeze, wheezy/sid, experimental and
squeeze-backports. I wonder if it has anything to do with the odd version
numbers.

--b

On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 7:02 PM, Peter Tynan peter.ty...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 23 March 2011 22:57, Andreas Rönnquist gus...@gusnan.se wrote:
  On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 15:17:44 +
  Peter Tynan peter.ty...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  On 23 March 2011 15:04, Brad Alexander stor...@gmail.com wrote:
   Very cool site. However, I just added it, and added the key, and
 upgraded,
   but got
  
   [root@galaxy sources.list.d]# apt-get install -t squeeze-backports
 iceweasel
   Reading package lists... Done
   Building dependency tree
   Reading state information... Done
   iceweasel is already the newest version.
   0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 12 not upgraded.
   [root@galaxy sources.list.d]# dpkg -l | grep weasel
   ii  iceweasel
   3.5.16-5 Web browser based on Firefox
 
  At http://mozilla.debian.net/ select the version of Iceweasel you want
  and the Debian release you are using and follow the instructions, I
  suspect you did not select Iceweasel 4.0 on the drop down menu...
 
  Peter
 
 
  I tried this too, but I run into the same problems that Brad did.
  Adding the mozilla.debian.net to sources.list, adding the key, and
  updating/dist-upgrading does nothing for me.
 
  I want the 4.0 for Squeeze, but get nothing.
 
  I am on AMD64, maybe its only i386 this far?
 
  best regards
  /Andreas
 

 No, I'm using i386

 could it just be that the server is struggling with high demand?

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