Re: making linux look bad
Hi guys! ABSOLUTELY, you are right, Whence you are down loading is to be preferred. I should have read that post aloud before sending. I appreciate the correction. Too few are concerned with correct English (so abused by most speakers and writers.) --David On Mon, 17 May 1999, John Pearson wrote: On %M 0, David B.Teague wrote On Mon, 17 May 1999, Michael Beattie wrote: On Sat, 15 May 1999, David B.Teague wrote: perhaps from whence you are down loading) ^^ Sorry about the excess bandwidth killer, but is it whence or whom? Hi Michael Never say bandwidth killer about an English language issue. It is With an invite like that, and as you posted to debian-user, how could I resist butting in... from whence or from where, as whom refers to a person. I think from whence may be a little stilted, but I tend to that sometimes. from whence is indeed stilted, and needlessly and unnecessarily redundant. Whence alone is to be preferred. Thanks! You're welcome! John P.
Re: making linux look bad
The RedHat 5.2 CD is $1.89 at LinuxMall. Select all and let it rip. It works fine and lets you have a learners system to start from. Once you learn Linux, you'll probably want to come back to debian :-) -John - Original Message - From: Clyde Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: tf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Monday, May 17, 1999 4:43 PM Subject: Re: making linux look bad You might want to get a copy of Red Hat from www.cheapbytes.com. Less than $10 and almost everything works without a lot of configuration.
Re: making linux look bad
perhaps from whence you are down loading) ^^ Sorry about the excess bandwidth killer, but is it whence or whom? Hi Michael Never say bandwidth killer about an English language issue. It is from whence or from where, as whom refers to a person. I think from whence may be a little stilted, but I tend to that sometimes. Okay, I just thought whence didnt sound right.. sorry if I seemed to be picking on your vocab., I was just curious, as I have a huge aversion to English classes. Thanks! No, the thanks are all mine :) Michael Beattie ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) PGP Key available, reply with pgpkey as subject. - WinErr: 00B Inadequate disk space - Free at least 500MB - Debian GNU/Linux Ooohh You are missing out!
Re: making linux look bad
On Sat, 15 May 1999, David B.Teague wrote: perhaps from whence you are down loading) ^^ Sorry about the excess bandwidth killer, but is it whence or whom? Michael Beattie ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) PGP Key available, reply with pgpkey as subject. - DOS never says EXCELLENT command or filename... - Debian GNU/Linux Ooohh You are missing out!
Re: making linux look bad
On Mon, 17 May 1999, Michael Beattie wrote: On Sat, 15 May 1999, David B.Teague wrote: perhaps from whence you are down loading) ^^ Sorry about the excess bandwidth killer, but is it whence or whom? Hi Michael Never say bandwidth killer about an English language issue. It is from whence or from where, as whom refers to a person. I think from whence may be a little stilted, but I tend to that sometimes. Thanks! David Teague, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Because software support is free, timely, useful, technically accurate, and friendly. (Thanks guys!)
Re: making linux look bad
On %M 0, David B.Teague wrote On Mon, 17 May 1999, Michael Beattie wrote: On Sat, 15 May 1999, David B.Teague wrote: perhaps from whence you are down loading) ^^ Sorry about the excess bandwidth killer, but is it whence or whom? Hi Michael Never say bandwidth killer about an English language issue. It is With an invite like that, and as you posted to debian-user, how could I resist butting in... from whence or from where, as whom refers to a person. I think from whence may be a little stilted, but I tend to that sometimes. from whence is indeed stilted, and needlessly and unnecessarily redundant. Whence alone is to be preferred. Thanks! You're welcome! John P. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Oh - I - you know - my job is to fear everything. - Bill Gates in Denmark
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You might want to get a copy of Red Hat from www.cheapbytes.com. Less than $10 and almost everything works without a lot of configuration. On Sat, 15 May 1999, tf wrote: Hey everybody I make linux look bad. I've been messing with it for almost 2 years and have never had it running well enough to use. So. can someone give me a strategy to follow? I'm obviously going about this the wrong way. I think it would help if I got ppp working-both pon and wvdail dial out, but leave the line open and not connected to anything. right now, my only internet connection is via windows. RTFM would be warrented, probably, but I already know that one! -t -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: making linux look bad
tf wrote: Hey everybody I make linux look bad. I've been messing with it for almost 2 years and have never had it running well enough to use. So. can someone give me a strategy to follow? I'm obviously going about this the wrong way. I think it would help if I got ppp working-both pon and wvdail dial out, but leave the line open and not connected to anything. right now, my only internet connection is via windows. This is awful! But luckily you have come to the right place. The Debian community is a wealth of information and expertise unsurpassed by any other distribution follownig in my experience (ymmv). Ok, here are my recomendations, to be followed by some of my personal experiences. This may get long so I will start with the summary and you can stop reading beyond that if it gets boring. 1. Catalog _all_ of your hardware and ensure that _every_ piece is supported (well). 2. If you have hardware that is not supported then buy, barter, or trade, for pieces that are. 3. Aquire some desk references - good Linux books. Buy two and you will be amazed at how often the answer you are looking for is in book 'A' but not 'B'. Then you will find the answer to another question only in book 'B'. There are to many good books to list, but you need at least one. This is not an option - get one or more. 4. Set some goals and priorities for getting things working. a) get a solid installation completed. b) get ppp working -- important. use to access info for solving all other pronblems. d) start with the next most important feature and work on it until you get it working. e) repeat step 'd' untill everything works. f) after all your hardware is working keep learing (shell scripting, compiling sources, etc.) Personal experiences: Don't get discouraged. The first time I installed Linux it took me _months_ to get all of my hardware working correctly. Then one day I sat down in front of the thing and everything was working. That was so great. The turning point for me was the day I realized that every time I got stuck and couldn't find a solution to a problem I would boot Windoze (ie. I would take the easy way out.). I realized that as long as I kept dropping back to Windoze every time Linux got tough I would never learn. At that point I decided to try an experiment - total immersion. I resolved not to boot windows at any cost. I wanted to do two things: 1)learn more by forcing myself to find solutions to Linux problems, and 2) To see if Linux really could supply all I needed from a computer. Well it worked. In '98 I removed windows to make more space for Linux -- I hadn't booted windoze in over a year! It was not easy at first, but in the first two months of project total immersion I learned more than I had in the previous _year_ of dual-booting. If you do this I am sure you will look back in three months and be amazed at how far you have come. I know that not everyone can make that level of commitment to using Linux, but I recommend it if you can. The good news is that it gets easier as you learn more. There will come a day when you can sit down in front of a bare system and walk away an hour later leaving a fully configured system complete with network, printing, sound, x-windows, etc. And even better, you will know how to use it! Then the fun begins. Hang in there. We will be here to help. -- --- Ben Messinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Only dead fish go with the flow. Use Debian/GNU Linux. ---
making linux look bad
Hey everybody I make linux look bad. I've been messing with it for almost 2 years and have never had it running well enough to use. So. can someone give me a strategy to follow? I'm obviously going about this the wrong way. I think it would help if I got ppp working-both pon and wvdail dial out, but leave the line open and not connected to anything. right now, my only internet connection is via windows. RTFM would be warrented, probably, but I already know that one! -t
Re: making linux look bad
On Sat, 15 May 1999, tf wrote: Hey everybody I make linux look bad. I've been messing with it for almost 2 years and have never had it running well enough to use. So. can someone give me a strategy to follow? I'm obviously going about this the wrong way. I think it would help if I got ppp working-both pon and wvdail dial out, but leave the line open and not connected to anything. right now, my only internet connection is via windows. RTFM would be warrented, probably, but I already know that one! -t Hi t Yes, RTFM, but these guys will try to help you if you make that effort. BUT to help you, there is a strong need for you to carefully describe your hardware and software: motherboard, CPU, RAM, disk interface, amount of disk, video card, video card memory size, modem, Debian distribution version, where you are getting your distribution, (if a CD, who the vendor is, or if from a web site, perhaps from whence you are down loading) As important as the hardware information, you should be quite specific about the problems you are experiencing. Error messages would be a big help. You will find this list to be thick with really good experts who are willing to help, given the needed information! Lots of luck, --David David Teague, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian GNU/Linux Because software support is free, timely, useful, technically accurate, and friendly. (Hope this qualifies:)
Re: making linux look bad
Subject: Re: making linux look bad Date: Sat, May 15, 1999 at 08:38:58AM -0400 In reply to:David B.Teague Quoting David B.Teague([EMAIL PROTECTED]): On Sat, 15 May 1999, tf wrote: Hey everybody I make linux look bad. I've been messing with it for almost 2 years and have never had it running well enough to use. So. can someone give me a strategy to follow? I'm obviously going about this the wrong way. I think it would help if I got ppp working-both pon and wvdail dial out, but leave the line open and not connected to anything. right now, my only internet connection is via windows. RTFM would be warrented, probably, but I already know that one! -t Hi t Yes, RTFM, but these guys will try to help you if you make that effort. BUT to help you, there is a strong need for you to carefully describe your hardware and software: motherboard, CPU, RAM, disk interface, amount of disk, video card, video card memory size, modem, Debian distribution version, where you are getting your distribution, (if a CD, who the vendor is, or if from a web site, perhaps from whence you are down loading) As important as the hardware information, you should be quite specific about the problems you are experiencing. Error messages would be a big help. You will find this list to be thick with really good experts who are willing to help, given the needed information! Lots of luck, In addition to David's comments, you could also go to www.debian.org and look tru the archives of this list. There have been 'many' problems solved on this list, and the answers are in the archives! If you find the answer there and solve some of your problems your confidence will rise, along with with you Linux/Debian knowledge. It's a win win! -- Real Users hate Real Programmers. ___ Wayne T. Topa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: making linux look bad
Linux is a very intense learning experience that forces you to ponder security, the right gui, the nature of your hardware and the applications you really need and to configure programs to implement ways of managing all these things. I am new to this in that I installed Debian for the first time a couple of days ago. The support from this list way great. But the support only can go so far; when you install Debian you take control of your PC and that does require a certain amount of learnin. In my case, the key element was someone local who was a debian fan and allowed me to pohone him when dselect got very hairy. He didn't help much but knowing there's someone to talk to if you get stuck is great. Why not see if there's a Debian user near you who would be willing to help? Patrick On Sat, May 15, 1999 at 08:05:31AM -0500, tf wrote: Hey everybody I make linux look bad. I've been messing with it for almost 2 years and have never had it running well enough to use. So. can someone give me a strategy to follow? I'm obviously going about this the wrong way. I think it would help if I got ppp working-both pon and wvdail dial out, but leave the line open and not connected to anything. right now, my only internet connection is via windows. RTFM would be warrented, probably, but I already know that one! -t -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
