Re: minimal installation
Dan Norton composed on 2018-05-12 17:47 (UTC-0400): > Now, I want to update and upgrade and start to slowly add packages, but > my network ignorance is getting in the way. > Tried to run "/sbin/ifconfig -a" but ifconfig is not found. Deprecated over a decade ago, and finally dropped from basic installation. Use its replacement ip instead. > Please point me to how to get ethernet up. Thanks. https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration should do it. -- "Wisdom is supreme; therefore get wisdom. Whatever else you get, get wisdom." Proverbs 4:7 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/
Re: minimal installation
On Tue, 8 May 2018 00:10:50 +0100 Brian wrote: > On Mon 07 May 2018 at 18:37:16 -0400, Dan Norton wrote: > > > On Mon, 7 May 2018 23:22:46 +0100 > > Brian wrote: > > > > > On Mon 07 May 2018 at 18:04:47 -0400, Dan Norton wrote: > > > > > > > On Mon, 7 May 2018 10:42:17 -0400 > > > > Felix Miata wrote: > > > > > > > > > jpff composed on 2018-05-07 12:34 (UTC+0100): > > > > > > > > > > > Felix Miata wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >> My Debian installations are all net installs that > > > > > >> include > > > > > > > > > > >>tasks=standard > > > > > >> base-installer/install-recommends=false > > > > > > > > > > >> on the kernel cmdline. I get nothing I don't need installed > > > > > >> that way. Xorg and whatever else I need I get with apt* > > > > > >> once booted normally. > > > > > > > > > > > That looks interesting; it attemts to answer my deep problem > > > > > > about no X, xdm, xterm etc. > > > > > > > > > > > My problem nowis I do not know where/how to apply this. I > > > > > > have not seen any mention of a kernel command line in the > > > > > > net install. More please! > > > > > > > > > > I'm not up to speed on the conventional HOWTO for answering > > > > > this. I rarely use conventional installation boot media. > > > > > Virtually all my installs are in multiboot environments. This > > > > > enables installation booting by using a bootloader already > > > > > present on the system, by loading an installation kernel and > > > > > initrd, complete with the parameters mentioned, plus several > > > > > others, such as network configuration, and leaving off quiet > > > > > and splash=silent. > > > > > > > > > > IME, virtually any distro's installation media when its > > > > > presence first appears on screen allows for some method of > > > > > appending parameters to the kernel cmdline. It may be an "e" > > > > > key, or an ESC key, or an up or down arrow key, or a function > > > > > key, and likely will suggest how when its screen first > > > > > paints. > > > > > > > > That "kernel cmdline" phrase is a point of confusion. By editing > > > > the "Install" item in the netinst menu, I can change: > > > > > > > > linux /install.amd/vmlinuz vga=788 --- quiet > > > > > > > > ...to this, all on one line: > > > > > > > > linux /install.amd/vmlinuz vga=788 --- tasks=standard > > > > base-installer/install-recommends=false > > > > > > > > Is that going to result in a minimum installation? > > > > > > Leave off tasks=standard for more minimalness. > > > > > > > This is getting exciting. Will I still get a command line? > > If you mean at first boot; yes. > > I preseed in a file with "tasksel tasksel/first multiselect", which > means no task is selected for installation. I've never done it from > a prompt. Perhaps "tasks="? > With the ethernet unplugged, installing with a netinst iso, I do get a minimal installation. With ethernet plugged in, the installed kernel can be booted repeatedly, presenting a login prompt each time. adduser, mount, cat, lp... just work. Now, I want to update and upgrade and start to slowly add packages, but my network ignorance is getting in the way. Tried to run "/sbin/ifconfig -a" but ifconfig is not found. Anyway, ran: dhclient lo dhclient eth0 ...with no effect (could not ping google) Comparing files on this install with the same on this one (where I'm writing this post): /etc/network # same contents on both after I added a link: run -> /network /etc/network/interfaces.d # empty on both /run/network # same on both /var/log/syslog # doesn't show anything obvious to me root@debm:/etc/network# cat interfaces # This file describes... # and how to ... source /etc/network/interfaces.d/* # The loopback network interface auto lo iface lo inet loopback root@debm:/# /etc/init.d/networking stop Stopping networking (via systemctl): networking.service. root@debm:/# /etc/init.d/networking start Starting networking (via systemctl): networking.service. root@debm:/# ping -c 3 http://www.google.com ping: http://www.google.com: Temporary failure in name resolution Please point me to how to get ethernet up. Thanks. - Dan
Re: minimal installation
On Mon 07 May 2018 at 19:53:51 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: > Brian composed on 2018-05-07 23:22 (UTC+0100): > > > On Mon 07 May 2018 at 18:04:47 -0400, Dan Norton wrote: > > >> On Mon, 7 May 2018 10:42:17 -0400 Felix Miata wrote: > > >> linux /install.amd/vmlinuz vga=788 --- tasks=standard > >> base-installer/install-recommends=false > > >> Is that going to result in a minimum installation? > > > Leave off tasks=standard for more minimalness. > > NAICT without starting an installation now, including it causes at least one > installer question to be bypassed. I don't remember seeing asked whether or > which bootloader to install or where to install it in a long time, if ever, > but > my memory today is noticeably short of 100%. I guess you are talking about d-i's "Install" menu entry. With "tasks=" no tasks are installed and the bootloader questions are still asked. I am not relying on memory. > > (base-installer/install-recommends=false doesn't do anything. The base > > system is always installed without Recommends:). > > Doing that, > > APT::Install-Recommends "false"; > > showed up in > > /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/00InstallRecommends > > two minutes before > > /etc/apt/sources.list > > on my last Stretch installation, and likely all the rest at least in recent > years. My point was that the base system packages doe not act on Recommends:. If there are no tasks, the preseed option install-recommends=false has nothing to do during the installation. What happens on the installed system is a different matter. -- Brian.
Re: minimal installation
Brian composed on 2018-05-07 23:22 (UTC+0100): > On Mon 07 May 2018 at 18:04:47 -0400, Dan Norton wrote: >> On Mon, 7 May 2018 10:42:17 -0400 Felix Miata wrote: >> linux /install.amd/vmlinuz vga=788 --- tasks=standard >> base-installer/install-recommends=false >> Is that going to result in a minimum installation? > Leave off tasks=standard for more minimalness. NAICT without starting an installation now, including it causes at least one installer question to be bypassed. I don't remember seeing asked whether or which bootloader to install or where to install it in a long time, if ever, but my memory today is noticeably short of 100%. > (base-installer/install-recommends=false doesn't do anything. The base > system is always installed without Recommends:). Doing that, APT::Install-Recommends "false"; showed up in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/00InstallRecommends two minutes before /etc/apt/sources.list on my last Stretch installation, and likely all the rest at least in recent years. -- "Wisdom is supreme; therefore get wisdom. Whatever else you get, get wisdom." Proverbs 4:7 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/
Re: minimal installation
On Mon, 7 May 2018 18:24:04 -0400 Felix Miata wrote: > Dan Norton composed on 2018-05-07 18:04 (UTC-0400): > > > On Mon, 7 May 2018 10:42:17 -0400 Felix Miata wrote: > > >> IME, virtually any distro's installation media when its presence > >> first appears on screen allows for some method of appending > >> parameters to the kernel cmdline > > > That "kernel cmdline" phrase is a point of confusion. > > It shouldn't be. The kernel cmdline is the starting element of every > Linux boot. The kernel may go by various names in different > environments and distros, but it's still the Linux kernel that > originates from the kernel.org project whether named linux or > vmlinuz-numericalgobbledegook or some random string (here, every most > recently installed kernel prior to first use acquires two > symlinks: /boot/vmlinuz, and /boot/vmlinuz-cur). > > > By editing > > the "Install" item in the netinst menu, I can change: > > > linux /install.amd/vmlinuz vga=788 --- quiet > > > ...to this, all on one line: > > > linux /install.amd/vmlinuz vga=788 --- tasks=standard > > base-installer/install-recommends=false > > > Is that going to result in a minimum installation? > > Other than the .amd part, it's what happens here. It should for you > too. :-) > > A n00b might rather leave off > base-installer/install-recommends=false. I don't think I've ever > tried it that way. I'd be leery of something from Gnome getting > installed. ;-) Yeah, that would be at cross purposes, wouldn't it?
Re: minimal installation (was: A long rant on Debian 9)
On Mon 07 May 2018 at 18:37:16 -0400, Dan Norton wrote: > On Mon, 7 May 2018 23:22:46 +0100 > Brian wrote: > > > On Mon 07 May 2018 at 18:04:47 -0400, Dan Norton wrote: > > > > > On Mon, 7 May 2018 10:42:17 -0400 > > > Felix Miata wrote: > > > > > > > jpff composed on 2018-05-07 12:34 (UTC+0100): > > > > > > > > > Felix Miata wrote: > > > > > > > > >> My Debian installations are all net installs that include > > > > > > > > >> tasks=standard > > > > >> base-installer/install-recommends=false > > > > > > > > >> on the kernel cmdline. I get nothing I don't need installed > > > > >> that way. Xorg and whatever else I need I get with apt* once > > > > >> booted normally. > > > > > > > > > That looks interesting; it attemts to answer my deep problem > > > > > about no X, xdm, xterm etc. > > > > > > > > > My problem nowis I do not know where/how to apply this. I have > > > > > not seen any mention of a kernel command line in the net > > > > > install. More please! > > > > > > > > I'm not up to speed on the conventional HOWTO for answering this. > > > > I rarely use conventional installation boot media. Virtually all > > > > my installs are in multiboot environments. This enables > > > > installation booting by using a bootloader already present on the > > > > system, by loading an installation kernel and initrd, complete > > > > with the parameters mentioned, plus several others, such as > > > > network configuration, and leaving off quiet and splash=silent. > > > > > > > > IME, virtually any distro's installation media when its presence > > > > first appears on screen allows for some method of appending > > > > parameters to the kernel cmdline. It may be an "e" key, or an ESC > > > > key, or an up or down arrow key, or a function key, and likely > > > > will suggest how when its screen first paints. > > > > > > That "kernel cmdline" phrase is a point of confusion. By editing > > > the "Install" item in the netinst menu, I can change: > > > > > > linux /install.amd/vmlinuz vga=788 --- quiet > > > > > > ...to this, all on one line: > > > > > > linux /install.amd/vmlinuz vga=788 --- tasks=standard > > > base-installer/install-recommends=false > > > > > > Is that going to result in a minimum installation? > > > > Leave off tasks=standard for more minimalness. > > > > This is getting exciting. Will I still get a command line? If you mean at first boot; yes. I preseed in a file with "tasksel tasksel/first multiselect", which means no task is selected for installation. I've never done it from a prompt. Perhaps "tasks="? -- Brian.
Re: minimal installation (was: A long rant on Debian 9)
On Mon, 7 May 2018 23:22:46 +0100 Brian wrote: > On Mon 07 May 2018 at 18:04:47 -0400, Dan Norton wrote: > > > On Mon, 7 May 2018 10:42:17 -0400 > > Felix Miata wrote: > > > > > jpff composed on 2018-05-07 12:34 (UTC+0100): > > > > > > > Felix Miata wrote: > > > > > > >> My Debian installations are all net installs that include > > > > > > >>tasks=standard > > > >> base-installer/install-recommends=false > > > > > > >> on the kernel cmdline. I get nothing I don't need installed > > > >> that way. Xorg and whatever else I need I get with apt* once > > > >> booted normally. > > > > > > > That looks interesting; it attemts to answer my deep problem > > > > about no X, xdm, xterm etc. > > > > > > > My problem nowis I do not know where/how to apply this. I have > > > > not seen any mention of a kernel command line in the net > > > > install. More please! > > > > > > I'm not up to speed on the conventional HOWTO for answering this. > > > I rarely use conventional installation boot media. Virtually all > > > my installs are in multiboot environments. This enables > > > installation booting by using a bootloader already present on the > > > system, by loading an installation kernel and initrd, complete > > > with the parameters mentioned, plus several others, such as > > > network configuration, and leaving off quiet and splash=silent. > > > > > > IME, virtually any distro's installation media when its presence > > > first appears on screen allows for some method of appending > > > parameters to the kernel cmdline. It may be an "e" key, or an ESC > > > key, or an up or down arrow key, or a function key, and likely > > > will suggest how when its screen first paints. > > > > That "kernel cmdline" phrase is a point of confusion. By editing > > the "Install" item in the netinst menu, I can change: > > > > linux /install.amd/vmlinuz vga=788 --- quiet > > > > ...to this, all on one line: > > > > linux /install.amd/vmlinuz vga=788 --- tasks=standard > > base-installer/install-recommends=false > > > > Is that going to result in a minimum installation? > > Leave off tasks=standard for more minimalness. > This is getting exciting. Will I still get a command line? > (base-installer/install-recommends=false doesn't do anything. The base > system is always installed without Recommends:). >
Re: minimal installation
Dan Norton composed on 2018-05-07 18:04 (UTC-0400): > On Mon, 7 May 2018 10:42:17 -0400 Felix Miata wrote: >> IME, virtually any distro's installation media when its presence >> first appears on screen allows for some method of appending >> parameters to the kernel cmdline > That "kernel cmdline" phrase is a point of confusion. It shouldn't be. The kernel cmdline is the starting element of every Linux boot. The kernel may go by various names in different environments and distros, but it's still the Linux kernel that originates from the kernel.org project whether named linux or vmlinuz-numericalgobbledegook or some random string (here, every most recently installed kernel prior to first use acquires two symlinks: /boot/vmlinuz, and /boot/vmlinuz-cur). > By editing > the "Install" item in the netinst menu, I can change: > linux /install.amd/vmlinuz vga=788 --- quiet > ...to this, all on one line: > linux /install.amd/vmlinuz vga=788 --- tasks=standard > base-installer/install-recommends=false > Is that going to result in a minimum installation? Other than the .amd part, it's what happens here. It should for you too. :-) A n00b might rather leave off base-installer/install-recommends=false. I don't think I've ever tried it that way. I'd be leery of something from Gnome getting installed. ;-) -- "Wisdom is supreme; therefore get wisdom. Whatever else you get, get wisdom." Proverbs 4:7 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/
Re: minimal installation (was: A long rant on Debian 9)
On Mon 07 May 2018 at 18:04:47 -0400, Dan Norton wrote: > On Mon, 7 May 2018 10:42:17 -0400 > Felix Miata wrote: > > > jpff composed on 2018-05-07 12:34 (UTC+0100): > > > > > Felix Miata wrote: > > > > >> My Debian installations are all net installs that include > > > > >> tasks=standard base-installer/install-recommends=false > > > > >> on the kernel cmdline. I get nothing I don't need installed that > > >> way. Xorg and whatever else I need I get with apt* once booted > > >> normally. > > > > > That looks interesting; it attemts to answer my deep problem about > > > no X, xdm, xterm etc. > > > > > My problem nowis I do not know where/how to apply this. I have not > > > seen any mention of a kernel command line in the net install. More > > > please! > > > > I'm not up to speed on the conventional HOWTO for answering this. I > > rarely use conventional installation boot media. Virtually all my > > installs are in multiboot environments. This enables installation > > booting by using a bootloader already present on the system, by > > loading an installation kernel and initrd, complete with the > > parameters mentioned, plus several others, such as network > > configuration, and leaving off quiet and splash=silent. > > > > IME, virtually any distro's installation media when its presence > > first appears on screen allows for some method of appending > > parameters to the kernel cmdline. It may be an "e" key, or an ESC > > key, or an up or down arrow key, or a function key, and likely will > > suggest how when its screen first paints. > > That "kernel cmdline" phrase is a point of confusion. By editing > the "Install" item in the netinst menu, I can change: > > linux /install.amd/vmlinuz vga=788 --- quiet > > ...to this, all on one line: > > linux /install.amd/vmlinuz vga=788 --- tasks=standard > base-installer/install-recommends=false > > Is that going to result in a minimum installation? Leave off tasks=standard for more minimalness. (base-installer/install-recommends=false doesn't do anything. The base system is always installed without Recommends:). -- Brian.
Re: minimal installation (was: A long rant on Debian 9)
On Mon, 7 May 2018 10:42:17 -0400 Felix Miata wrote: > jpff composed on 2018-05-07 12:34 (UTC+0100): > > > Felix Miata wrote: > > >> My Debian installations are all net installs that include > > >>tasks=standard base-installer/install-recommends=false > > >> on the kernel cmdline. I get nothing I don't need installed that > >> way. Xorg and whatever else I need I get with apt* once booted > >> normally. > > > That looks interesting; it attemts to answer my deep problem about > > no X, xdm, xterm etc. > > > My problem nowis I do not know where/how to apply this. I have not > > seen any mention of a kernel command line in the net install. More > > please! > > I'm not up to speed on the conventional HOWTO for answering this. I > rarely use conventional installation boot media. Virtually all my > installs are in multiboot environments. This enables installation > booting by using a bootloader already present on the system, by > loading an installation kernel and initrd, complete with the > parameters mentioned, plus several others, such as network > configuration, and leaving off quiet and splash=silent. > > IME, virtually any distro's installation media when its presence > first appears on screen allows for some method of appending > parameters to the kernel cmdline. It may be an "e" key, or an ESC > key, or an up or down arrow key, or a function key, and likely will > suggest how when its screen first paints. That "kernel cmdline" phrase is a point of confusion. By editing the "Install" item in the netinst menu, I can change: linux /install.amd/vmlinuz vga=788 --- quiet ...to this, all on one line: linux /install.amd/vmlinuz vga=788 --- tasks=standard base-installer/install-recommends=false Is that going to result in a minimum installation? - Dan
Re: minimal installation (was: A long rant on Debian 9)
Dan Norton composed on 2018-05-07 17:47 (UTC-0400): > Felix wrote: > "My Debian installations are all net installs that include > tasks=standard base-installer/install-recommends=false > on the kernel cmdline." > What's the kernel here? The one for the installer, right? We need to > pass the above parms to the installer at boot time. Selecting "Install" > and typing "E" we see the following: > setparams 'Install' > set background_color=black > linux /install.amd/vmlinuz vga=788 --- quiet > initrd /install.amd/initrd.gz > So, do Felix's parms get appended to the end of the linux line or > where? "linux" is kernel. Get rid of quiet and put them there. You might like vga=791 or 794 better if you don't have Intel, NVidia or ATI/AMD gfx. -- "Wisdom is supreme; therefore get wisdom. Whatever else you get, get wisdom." Proverbs 4:7 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/
Re: minimal installation (was: A long rant on Debian 9)
jpff composed on 2018-05-07 12:34 (UTC+0100): > Felix Miata wrote: >> My Debian installations are all net installs that include >> tasks=standard base-installer/install-recommends=false >> on the kernel cmdline. I get nothing I don't need installed that way. Xorg >> and >> whatever else I need I get with apt* once booted normally. > That looks interesting; it attemts to answer my deep problem about no X, > xdm, xterm etc. > My problem nowis I do not know where/how to apply this. I have not seen > any mention of a kernel command line in the net install. More please! I'm not up to speed on the conventional HOWTO for answering this. I rarely use conventional installation boot media. Virtually all my installs are in multiboot environments. This enables installation booting by using a bootloader already present on the system, by loading an installation kernel and initrd, complete with the parameters mentioned, plus several others, such as network configuration, and leaving off quiet and splash=silent. IME, virtually any distro's installation media when its presence first appears on screen allows for some method of appending parameters to the kernel cmdline. It may be an "e" key, or an ESC key, or an up or down arrow key, or a function key, and likely will suggest how when its screen first paints. -- "Wisdom is supreme; therefore get wisdom. Whatever else you get, get wisdom." Proverbs 4:7 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/
Re: minimal installation (was: Anybody know why...)
Tim McDonough composed on 2015-10-31 16:22 (UTC-0500): > Perhaps there is a way to do this with a CD/DVD boot parameter and I'm > not aware of it... I wish there was a way to be presented with a more > complete list of options at install time. On some installations with > small disks I really don't need all of the documentation, utilities, > etc. Is there an option that just installs the bare basics of a running > system with networking and apt-get? > I'm not saying this should be the standard or even the default, just an > option to provide a quick basic install on a minimal system. I've been putting these on my installation kernel cmdline: tasks=standard base-installer/install-recommends=false I don't recall just how small the result, but it is svelte. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/
Re: minimal installation questions
On Sun, Sep 19, 2004 at 01:42:13PM -0500, Pepper Orlando wrote: > Thank you for the suggestions, I will give it a try again this evening. > > I may still need some help fighting the dependancy issues. When I tired to > remove some of the base packages (exim, etc) I ran into the same sort of > problems that Michael did when trying to remove gcc-3.3-base. > > My goal is to get just enough installed to run Mozilla (without AA fonts, > actually, not enough horsepower for that) and blackbox. I'm hoping that I > can get it to fit into 128 MB. 64 would be a fun challenge, though. > > Later on I will try to battle a minimal perl install so I can run some of > my favorite scripts and Perl/Tk apps. I have a felling it will be probably > a still bigger challenge! :) "Depends" is very relative. Rather than futz with apt, try: 1. Install mimimal system w/ mozilla-browser, xserver-xfree86, xfonts-misc, and deps. 2. Remove stuff with dpkg --remove --force-all until mozilla breaks. 3. Rebuild system with only those packages you truly need. (Essential really means essential for a shell system...) 4. Zap dpkg, apt, tar, gzip, etc. These must be zapped using rm though. You could also try a direct install, like (fix instructions): dpkg --root=/kiosk --install libc6.deb dpkg --root=/kiosk --install xserver-xfree86.deb etc... You need to fix deps yourself, but with only mozilla-browser, xserver-xfree86, and xfonts-base, the only deps should be a few libraries. If you can take it, might I suggest lynx/links/elinks + zgv? No X = fewer deps. You could even make /sbin/init a link to links (without the bloat that is sysvinit, you need to) -- The world's most effective spam filter: ln -sf /dev/full /var/mail/$USER -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: minimal installation questions
On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 13:42:13 -0500, Pepper Orlando <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thank you for the suggestions, I will give it a try again this evening. > > I may still need some help fighting the dependancy issues. When I tired to > remove some of the base packages (exim, etc) I ran into the same sort of > problems that Michael did when trying to remove gcc-3.3-base. > masqmail can be used to substitute exim > My goal is to get just enough installed to run Mozilla (without AA fonts, > actually, not enough horsepower for that) and blackbox. I'm hoping that I > can get it to fit into 128 MB. 64 would be a fun challenge, though. > > Later on I will try to battle a minimal perl install so I can run some of my > favorite scripts and Perl/Tk apps. I have a felling it will be probably a > still bigger challenge! :) > I've not followed the discussion, anyway i can give a couple of tips. IMHO you should look at the embedded distros, they battle everyday with the code bloat =) and perhaps you probably can use the cloop (compressed device) like it's done with the live CD distros. Andrea P.S. http://www.damnsmalllinux.org it's a live Debian based CD and has a lot of packages stuffed in 50 Mb... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: minimal installation questions
Thank you for the suggestions, I will give it a try again this evening. I may still need some help fighting the dependancy issues. When I tired to remove some of the base packages (exim, etc) I ran into the same sort of problems that Michael did when trying to remove gcc-3.3-base. My goal is to get just enough installed to run Mozilla (without AA fonts, actually, not enough horsepower for that) and blackbox. I'm hoping that I can get it to fit into 128 MB. 64 would be a fun challenge, though. Later on I will try to battle a minimal perl install so I can run some of my favorite scripts and Perl/Tk apps. I have a felling it will be probably a still bigger challenge! :) Thanks! _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! hthttp://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: minimal installation questions
> 1024x768, it seems to be fast enough). Even doing just this seems to take > up about 235 MB according to df -h. I'm guessing there's far more installed > than I really need. > > Thanks in advance for any help with this matter. In spite of the rant you just got about how ultra-minimal the basic net install install is, it's probably not ultra-minimal enough. I've got a box that's just the net install plus X plus enough other bits to run JACK and qjackctl (QT program) and it weighs in at 450 MB. If I were trying to get it down, I'd start trying to get rid of these packages I've weeded out here. Some of them will be dependencied up to the point where they can't easily be removed, suredly, but this is where I would start. (Your mileage will vary slightly, obviously.) You probably don't care about getting mail from the kernel on this box, so you don't need an MTA (if you can get by without one; I'm not quite sure) so you coudl get rid of exim4. You can probably live without power management stuff, so dump acpid. You don't need sound (right?) so you don't need ALSA or the ALSA kernel modules (for 2.4 kernels) or any of the ogg vorbis, MP3, audio codec whatnots. You damn sure don't need a compiler (*). You don't need CD ripping/burning/ejecting stuff, so you can scrap cdparanoia, eject, cdrecord and friends. If you configure the hardware by hand, you don't need hotplug (unless you have USB stuff on the box) or discover (boot time hardware detector/configurator). You don't need both mawk and gawk, both nano and vim, both lilo and grub. Pick one. You don't need more than one kernel. You don't need PCMCIA stuff, or modules. If you're not on dialup or DSL, you can dump all the ppp* garbage completely. You can probably get rid of the locales pacakge, since you only need C. You won't much care about the logs, and might even keep them on a volatile disk, so get rid of logrotate. You don't need tasksel of dselect unless their removal would fundamentally break apt. You don't need to run xfs. That might get you there. I'm not actually going to remove all that stuff from my box, but that's about what's on it that I would dump if I were looking to squeeze it waaay down. (*) Maybe I don't have a compiler after all. There's a gcc-3.3-base package that's deeply entrenched: box2:~# apt-get remove gcc-3.3-base [snippy] You are about to do something potentially harmful To continue type in the phrase 'Yes, do as I say!' Whee. I guess I need that, huh? (Wants to take down apt, initscripts, and the kitchen sink, but it would save me 158 MB to get rid of all that stuff. :) -- Michael McIntyre Silvan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: minimal installation questions
Pepper Orlando wrote: Hi, I'm new to Debian, I'm coming from the bloated world of RedHat. Basiclly, I'm interested in using debian to run a very basic web surfing machine. I would like to use a fanless VIA EPIA motherboard and keep a very minimal install of Debian on a CompactFlash card interfaced via an IDE-to-CF adapter. I would like to know if it's even possible to make a very minimal Debian + XFree86 + Mozilla install. If it is, then how do I go about removing certain unneeded packages that are installed by default? Right now my test machine is running a base install of Sarge (I quit out of the package chooser after the installer installed just the basics) plus enough packages to make XFree86 and Mozilla work (I am using the generic VESA driver for 1024x768, it seems to be fast enough). Even doing just this seems to take up about 235 MB according to df -h. I'm guessing there's far more installed than I really need. Thanks in advance for any help with this matter. _ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ After doing a minimal install, do *not* run tasksel or anything; instead, install aptitude ( `apt-get install aptitude` ) Find in the man page of aptitude how to configure it only to install packages that are required as dependence for packages you need; It says, -R, --without-recommends Do not treat recommendations as dependencies when installing new packages (this overrides settings in /etc/apt/apt.conf and ~/.aptitude/config). This corresponds to the configuration option Aptitude::Recom- mends-Important I have no experience in changing stuff in /etc/apt/apt.conf though run `aptitude` and mark all in 'libs', 'oldlibs' and `interpreters` by selecting that section (under 'installed') and hitting shift-M Then do the installation of X; there is a package called x-window-system-core ; install that, mozilla-browser, mozilla-psm, mozilla-xft (for nice fonts!) and mozilla-mailnews (if you also want to mail using mozilla), and your favorite window manager (say, windowmaker or fluxbox, do *not* install gnome or kde those are HUGE) , you can select them in the aptitude program, search by hitting / That should be about it (I think) HTH, Joris -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sat, Sep 18, 2004 at 08:42:40PM -0500, Pepper Orlando wrote: > Hi, I'm new to Debian, I'm coming from the bloated world of RedHat. > Basiclly, I'm interested in using debian to run a very basic web surfing > machine. I would like to use a fanless VIA EPIA motherboard and keep a very > minimal install of Debian on a CompactFlash card interfaced via an > IDE-to-CF adapter. > > I would like to know if it's even possible to make a very minimal Debian + > XFree86 + Mozilla install. If it is, then how do I go about removing > certain unneeded packages that are installed by default? Right now my test > machine is running a base install of Sarge (I quit out of the package > chooser after the installer installed just the basics) plus enough packages > to make XFree86 and Mozilla work (I am using the generic VESA driver for > 1024x768, it seems to be fast enough). Even doing just this seems to take > up about 235 MB according to df -h. I'm guessing there's far more installed > than I really need. > > Thanks in advance for any help with this matter. Hi Pepper, pebble linux may be of SOME help. its made to run on a CF card but its not setup to run X but its debian based. -Kev -- (__) (oo) /--\/ / ||| * /\---/\ ~~ ~~ "Have you mooed today?"... signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: minimal installation questions
On Sat, Sep 18, 2004 at 08:42:40PM -0500, Pepper Orlando wrote: > Hi, I'm new to Debian, I'm coming from the bloated world of RedHat. > Basiclly, I'm interested in using debian to run a very basic web surfing > machine. I would like to use a fanless VIA EPIA motherboard and keep a very > minimal install of Debian on a CompactFlash card interfaced via an > IDE-to-CF adapter. > > I would like to know if it's even possible to make a very minimal Debian + > XFree86 + Mozilla install. If it is, then how do I go about removing > certain unneeded packages that are installed by default? Right now my test > machine is running a base install of Sarge (I quit out of the package > chooser after the installer installed just the basics) plus enough packages > to make XFree86 and Mozilla work (I am using the generic VESA driver for > 1024x768, it seems to be fast enough). Even doing just this seems to take > up about 235 MB according to df -h. I'm guessing there's far more installed > than I really need. > > Thanks in advance for any help with this matter. > In Debian, it is possible to install a system that boots, and runs the system clock, and does hardly anything more. This is less even than you ask for. X, by itself, is bloat in the eyes of some Debianers. The new netinstall Debian is about as small as you get for a Unix-like system. It has just enough stuff to be able to download Debian packages over the internet and install them. Each package has well documented requirements for other packages. The APT system allows you to check at each step what you will get if you choose to install a package. Nothing is ever installed, except that it is necessary for a successful installation of something that you are asking for. Never do you get stuff that seems like a good idea to the maintainer of the package. Those good ideas are listed as "recommends" or "suggests". If you find a case where you can get a package to work correctly without one of the packages that the maintainer says are required, that is a reportable bug in the package. You may be able to do without some required packages if you are willing to forego some of the standard functionality of a package. Or you may find a different packages that are advertised as a project to be a 'light weight' version of foo, or a foo without bloat. There are a lot of possibilities for this kind of thing in Debian, and plenty of documentation to help to get it working. -- Paul E Condon [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi, I'm new to Debian, I'm coming from the bloated world of RedHat. Basiclly, I'm interested in using debian to run a very basic web surfing machine. I would like to use a fanless VIA EPIA motherboard and keep a very minimal install of Debian on a CompactFlash card interfaced via an IDE-to-CF adapter. I would like to know if it's even possible to make a very minimal Debian + XFree86 + Mozilla install. If it is, then how do I go about removing certain unneeded packages that are installed by default? Right now my test machine is running a base install of Sarge (I quit out of the package chooser after the installer installed just the basics) plus enough packages to make XFree86 and Mozilla work (I am using the generic VESA driver for 1024x768, it seems to be fast enough). Even doing just this seems to take up about 235 MB according to df -h. I'm guessing there's far more installed than I really need. Thanks in advance for any help with this matter. _ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 07:46:04 -0400, Ashley Graham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > actually, and thank you all for your help, i found a guy willing to > turn his minimal floppy distro into a compact floppy installation.. ..cool, url? -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;-) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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actually, and thank you all for your help, i found a guy willing to turn his minimal floppy distro into a compact floppy installation.. so thanks again for the help you offerred,i appreciate it i really do, but i think this problem is fixed later, -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: minimal installation
on Sun, Sep 14, 2003 at 07:20:38PM -0400, Ashley Graham ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > hello friends, > > i am trying to get a debian system on an old laptop i have copped from > a friend; it is rather old, but i couldn't give up the chance to > install linux on something else. Since online information about this system is difficult to find (all I've found in a few minutes are battery and memory sources), how about your describing the CPU, memory, and HD configuration of this system? > i have tried the regular debian floppy installation, but it fails > while loading the ramdisk (no kernel panic, it simply stops). i tried > the regular kernel, the compact, and the bf24. This is a situation in which I'd recommend a chroot install. Your system is likely bootable with Tom's Root Boot, a GNU/Linux-on-floppy distribution running in RAMdisk, which gives the benefit of both leaving your floppy drive free for use, and leaves a number of additional ramdisks free for your use. If you have or can buy a PCMCIA network card (given that this is an older system, I'd recommend you verify that it can handle 32-bit PCMCIA, and suspect it takes only 16 bit), you can bootstrap your installation over a LAN fairly readily. If this isn't possible, you may have luck with SLIP or PLIP, though I've found both to be slow, tempermental, and not altogether error free (see my recent posts to this list regarding a ThinkPad 750C). The basic method for a chroot install is: - Boot Tom's Root Boot. - Partition the system as desired. For a small disk (say 250MB - 1 GiB) I'd stick with root, swap, /tmp, and /usr. - Transfer a Potato base filesystem image to the system via LAN, floppy, PLIP, or SLIP. - Untar the image onto the filesystem, and chroot into it. - Complete the base installation. - Install and configure a kernel. - Boot the new system, edit /etc/apt/soures.list, and install additional packages. Detailed instructions are at: http://twiki.debian.org/Main/DebianChrootInstall > in case you were wondering, i am planning on turing it into an easily > portable demo for friends, and a simple workstation for myself, > something easy to carry around notes, jot down ideas, simple stuff - > nothing to grand. Note that from what I've found (24 MiB RAM, 486), this will make a decent console-based system, but little else. Not sure how easily impressed your friends are... Should work for light editing, mail, remote access via SSH. Peace. -- Karsten M. Self <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What Part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? Defeat EU Software Patents! http://swpat.ffii.org/ pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: minimal installation
On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 01:32:29 +0200, Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Sun, Sep 14, 2003 at 07:20:38PM -0400, Ashley Graham wrote: > > hello friends, > > > > i am trying to get a debian system on an old laptop i have copped > > from a friend; it is rather old, but i couldn't give up the chance > > to install linux on something else. > > > > the system is a compaq contura 430cx, it has a floppy drive ONLY. no > > cd-rom, no network (it had a pcmcia modem thing, but i lost it), not > > even speakers. > Is this PCMCIA connected floppy small PC? > > > i have tried the regular debian floppy installation, but it fails > > while loading the ramdisk (no kernel panic, it simply stops). i > > tried the regular kernel, the compact, and the bf24. > > :( ..http://damnsmalllinux.org/ ? > > i have tried other floppy-based distro's, but they're floppy, and > > only floppy, most don't allow access to the HD, and the others are > > either rescue disks (which i don't need), or router/firewalls (which > > i also don't need). > > Did you manually mount like: > > # cd / > # mkdir target > # mount /dev/hda target > > > > i also tried a slackware floppy installation, but received a kernel > > panic:out of memory error, along with a hang. > > > > google keeps on popping up floppy-based distros, and none(that i've > > seen) mention using the floppy to turn the laptop/pc into a > > workstation. > > > > in case you were wondering, i am planning on turing it into an > > easily portable demo for friends, and a simple workstation for > > myself, something easy to carry around notes, jot down ideas, simple > > stuff - nothing to grand. > > > > any help would be greately appreciated. > > If you have Serial or Parallel port on PC and another Linux PC, you > should be able to connect to it through PPP. Then you have netaccess. > > Osamu -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;-) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: minimal installation
On Sun, Sep 14, 2003 at 07:20:38PM -0400, Ashley Graham wrote: > hello friends, > > i am trying to get a debian system on an old laptop i have copped from a > friend; it is rather old, but i couldn't give up the chance to install linux > on something else. > > the system is a compaq contura 430cx, it has a floppy drive ONLY. no cd-rom, > no network (it had a pcmcia modem thing, but i lost it), not even speakers. Is this PCMCIA connected floppy small PC? > i have tried the regular debian floppy installation, but it fails while > loading the ramdisk (no kernel panic, it simply stops). i tried the regular > kernel, the compact, and the bf24. :( > i have tried other floppy-based distro's, but they're floppy, and only > floppy, most don't allow access to the HD, and the others are either rescue > disks (which i don't need), or router/firewalls (which i also don't need). Did you manually mount like: # cd / # mkdir target # mount /dev/hda target > i also tried a slackware floppy installation, but received a kernel > panic:out of memory error, along with a hang. > > google keeps on popping up floppy-based distros, and none(that i've seen) > mention using the floppy to turn the laptop/pc into a workstation. > > in case you were wondering, i am planning on turing it into an easily > portable demo for friends, and a simple workstation for myself, something > easy to carry around notes, jot down ideas, simple stuff - nothing to grand. > > any help would be greately appreciated. If you have Serial or Parallel port on PC and another Linux PC, you should be able to connect to it through PPP. Then you have netaccess. Osamu > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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hello friends, i am trying to get a debian system on an old laptop i have copped from a friend; it is rather old, but i couldn't give up the chance to install linux on something else. the system is a compaq contura 430cx, it has a floppy drive ONLY. no cd-rom, no network (it had a pcmcia modem thing, but i lost it), not even speakers. i have tried the regular debian floppy installation, but it fails while loading the ramdisk (no kernel panic, it simply stops). i tried the regular kernel, the compact, and the bf24. i have tried other floppy-based distro's, but they're floppy, and only floppy, most don't allow access to the HD, and the others are either rescue disks (which i don't need), or router/firewalls (which i also don't need). i also tried a slackware floppy installation, but received a kernel panic:out of memory error, along with a hang. google keeps on popping up floppy-based distros, and none(that i've seen) mention using the floppy to turn the laptop/pc into a workstation. in case you were wondering, i am planning on turing it into an easily portable demo for friends, and a simple workstation for myself, something easy to carry around notes, jot down ideas, simple stuff - nothing to grand. any help would be greately appreciated. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: minimal installation
Some what recently, Friedemann Schorer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote about minimal installation >:) Hi all :-) >:) I'd like to install Debian on an old 486 machine which only has a >:) little 500 MB HDD. Is it possible to install a really _minimal_ >:) system from debian disk and CD's (e.g. a preformed profile), which >:) runs only the services that are really needed and then can be >:) upgraded ? I tried it before with a RH distrib, but it didn't work. >:) Right now I don't have the Deb CD's, so I can't read docs or so, >:) that's why I ask here. I used to squeeze slink into IPC with 100MB HD with minimal X support. So don't worry. Chanop -- ,-. | Chanop Silpa-Anan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | | Australian National University | | Tel. +61 2 6279 8826, +61 2 6279 8837 (office hour) | | +61 2 6249 5240 (home +voice mail) | | Debian GNU/BSDICQ uin 11366301| `-' pgpvoFP2rGGmr.pgp Description: PGP signature
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Hi all :-) I'd like to install Debian on an old 486 machine which only has a little 500 MB HDD. Is it possible to install a really _minimal_ system from debian disk and CD's (e.g. a preformed profile), which runs only the services that are really needed and then can be upgraded ? I tried it before with a RH distrib, but it didn't work. Right now I don't have the Deb CD's, so I can't read docs or so, that's why I ask here. Thanks in advance, Friedemann --
