Re: new computer and now missing firmware
On Tue 20 Jun 2017 at 18:09:33 +0100, Sharon Kimble wrote: > Georgi Naplatanovwrites: > > > try to install : > > > > firmware-linux > > firmware-misc-nonfree > > firmware-realtek > > intel-microcode > > > > HTH > > Thanks Georgi for this. > > Since I've installed them its stopped showing that there's missing > firmware. Why did you need everything and the kitchen sink? -- Brian.
Re: new computer and now missing firmware
Georgi Naplatanov <go...@oles.biz> writes: > On 06/18/2017 11:51 AM, Sharon Kimble wrote: >> >> I've just got a new computer and I'm finding that something isn't >> loading due to missing driver/s. >> >> Logwatch shows this - >> >> --8<---cut here---start->8--- >> WARNING: Kernel Errors Present >> EXT4-fs (sdd1): error count since last ...: 1 Time(s) >> EXT4-fs (sdd1): initial error at time 14976229 ...: 1 Time(s) >> EXT4-fs (sdd1): last error at time 14976440 ...: 1 Time(s) >> EXT4-fs (sdd1): warning: mounting fs with errors, running e2fsck ...: 1 >> Time(s) >> i915 :00:02.0: Direct firmware load for i915/kbl_dmc_ver1_01.bin >> failed with error -2 ...: 3 Time(s) >> intel-lpss: probe of :00:1e.0 failed with error -22 ...: 3 Time(s) >> nouveau: probe of :01:00.0 failed with error -12 ...: 3 Time(s) >> r8169 :04:00.0: Direct firmware load for rtl_nic/rtl8168h-2.fw >> failed with error -2 ...: 3 Time(s) >> sd 4:0:0:0: [sdd] Synchronize Cache(10) failed: Result: >> hostbyte=DID_ERROR driverbyte=DRIVE ...: 1 Time(s) >> tpm_crb: probe of MSFT0101:00 failed with error -16 ...: 3 Time(s) >> --8<---cut here---end--->8--- >> >> According to dmidecode my CPU is - >> >> --8<---cut here---start->8--- >> Processor Information >> Socket Designation: LGA1151 >> Type: Central Processor >> Family: Core i5 >> Manufacturer: Intel(R) Corporation >> Version: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-7500 CPU @ 3.40GHz >> --8<---cut here---end--->8--- >> >> I have these installed - >> >> ╭ >> │xserver-xorg-video-intel: >> │ Installed: 2:2.99.917+git20161206-1 >> │ Candidate: 2:2.99.917+git20161206-1 >> │ >> │xserver-xorg-video-nouveau: >> │ Installed: 1:1.0.13-3 >> │ Candidate: 1:1.0.13-3 >> │ >> │libdrm-nouveau2: >> │ Installed: 2.4.74-1 >> │ Candidate: 2.4.74-1 >> ╰ >> >> When I boot it complains of missing firmware, and I think that's what >> logwatch is showing. So what do I need to install to get it working >> nicely please? >> >> The comment about SDD1 is resolved as I've already fscked the drive. >> >> Thanks >> Sharon. >> > > Hi, > > try to install : > > firmware-linux > firmware-misc-nonfree > firmware-realtek > intel-microcode > > HTH Thanks Georgi for this. Since I've installed them its stopped showing that there's missing firmware. Thanks Sharon. -- A taste of linux = http://www.sharons.org.uk TGmeds = http://www.tgmeds.org.uk DrugFacts = https://www.drugfacts.org.uk Debian 9.0, fluxbox 1.3.5-2, emacs 25.1.1, org-mode 9.0.7 signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: new computer and now missing firmware
On Sun 18 Jun 2017 at 09:51:21 +0100, Sharon Kimble wrote: > > I've just got a new computer and I'm finding that something isn't > loading due to missing driver/s. > > Logwatch shows this - > > --8<---cut here---start->8--- > WARNING: Kernel Errors Present > EXT4-fs (sdd1): error count since last ...: 1 Time(s) > EXT4-fs (sdd1): initial error at time 14976229 ...: 1 Time(s) > EXT4-fs (sdd1): last error at time 14976440 ...: 1 Time(s) > EXT4-fs (sdd1): warning: mounting fs with errors, running e2fsck ...: 1 > Time(s) > i915 :00:02.0: Direct firmware load for i915/kbl_dmc_ver1_01.bin > failed with error -2 ...: 3 Time(s) > intel-lpss: probe of :00:1e.0 failed with error -22 ...: 3 Time(s) > nouveau: probe of :01:00.0 failed with error -12 ...: 3 Time(s) > r8169 :04:00.0: Direct firmware load for rtl_nic/rtl8168h-2.fw failed > with error -2 ...: 3 Time(s) https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages. "Search the contents of packages" tells you. -- Brian.
Re: new computer and now missing firmware
On 06/18/2017 11:51 AM, Sharon Kimble wrote: > > I've just got a new computer and I'm finding that something isn't > loading due to missing driver/s. > > Logwatch shows this - > > --8<---cut here---start->8--- > WARNING: Kernel Errors Present > EXT4-fs (sdd1): error count since last ...: 1 Time(s) > EXT4-fs (sdd1): initial error at time 14976229 ...: 1 Time(s) > EXT4-fs (sdd1): last error at time 14976440 ...: 1 Time(s) > EXT4-fs (sdd1): warning: mounting fs with errors, running e2fsck ...: 1 > Time(s) > i915 :00:02.0: Direct firmware load for i915/kbl_dmc_ver1_01.bin > failed with error -2 ...: 3 Time(s) > intel-lpss: probe of :00:1e.0 failed with error -22 ...: 3 Time(s) > nouveau: probe of :01:00.0 failed with error -12 ...: 3 Time(s) > r8169 :04:00.0: Direct firmware load for rtl_nic/rtl8168h-2.fw failed > with error -2 ...: 3 Time(s) > sd 4:0:0:0: [sdd] Synchronize Cache(10) failed: Result: > hostbyte=DID_ERROR driverbyte=DRIVE ...: 1 Time(s) > tpm_crb: probe of MSFT0101:00 failed with error -16 ...: 3 Time(s) > --8<---cut here---end--->8--- > > According to dmidecode my CPU is - > > --8<---cut here---start->8--- > Processor Information > Socket Designation: LGA1151 > Type: Central Processor > Family: Core i5 > Manufacturer: Intel(R) Corporation > Version: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-7500 CPU @ 3.40GHz > --8<---cut here---end--->8--- > > I have these installed - > > ╭ > │xserver-xorg-video-intel: > │ Installed: 2:2.99.917+git20161206-1 > │ Candidate: 2:2.99.917+git20161206-1 > │ > │xserver-xorg-video-nouveau: > │ Installed: 1:1.0.13-3 > │ Candidate: 1:1.0.13-3 > │ > │libdrm-nouveau2: > │ Installed: 2.4.74-1 > │ Candidate: 2.4.74-1 > ╰ > > When I boot it complains of missing firmware, and I think that's what > logwatch is showing. So what do I need to install to get it working > nicely please? > > The comment about SDD1 is resolved as I've already fscked the drive. > > Thanks > Sharon. > Hi, try to install : firmware-linux firmware-misc-nonfree firmware-realtek intel-microcode HTH Kind regards Georgi
new computer and now missing firmware
I've just got a new computer and I'm finding that something isn't loading due to missing driver/s. Logwatch shows this - --8<---cut here---start->8--- WARNING: Kernel Errors Present EXT4-fs (sdd1): error count since last ...: 1 Time(s) EXT4-fs (sdd1): initial error at time 14976229 ...: 1 Time(s) EXT4-fs (sdd1): last error at time 14976440 ...: 1 Time(s) EXT4-fs (sdd1): warning: mounting fs with errors, running e2fsck ...: 1 Time(s) i915 :00:02.0: Direct firmware load for i915/kbl_dmc_ver1_01.bin failed with error -2 ...: 3 Time(s) intel-lpss: probe of :00:1e.0 failed with error -22 ...: 3 Time(s) nouveau: probe of :01:00.0 failed with error -12 ...: 3 Time(s) r8169 :04:00.0: Direct firmware load for rtl_nic/rtl8168h-2.fw failed with error -2 ...: 3 Time(s) sd 4:0:0:0: [sdd] Synchronize Cache(10) failed: Result: hostbyte=DID_ERROR driverbyte=DRIVE ...: 1 Time(s) tpm_crb: probe of MSFT0101:00 failed with error -16 ...: 3 Time(s) --8<---cut here---end--->8--- According to dmidecode my CPU is - --8<---cut here---start->8--- Processor Information Socket Designation: LGA1151 Type: Central Processor Family: Core i5 Manufacturer: Intel(R) Corporation Version: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-7500 CPU @ 3.40GHz --8<---cut here---end--->8--- I have these installed - ╭ │xserver-xorg-video-intel: │ Installed: 2:2.99.917+git20161206-1 │ Candidate: 2:2.99.917+git20161206-1 │ │xserver-xorg-video-nouveau: │ Installed: 1:1.0.13-3 │ Candidate: 1:1.0.13-3 │ │libdrm-nouveau2: │ Installed: 2.4.74-1 │ Candidate: 2.4.74-1 ╰ When I boot it complains of missing firmware, and I think that's what logwatch is showing. So what do I need to install to get it working nicely please? The comment about SDD1 is resolved as I've already fscked the drive. Thanks Sharon. -- A taste of linux = http://www.sharons.org.uk TGmeds = http://www.tgmeds.org.uk DrugFacts = https://www.drugfacts.org.uk Debian 9.0, fluxbox 1.3.5-2, emacs 25.1.1, org-mode 9.0.7 signature.asc Description: PGP signature
New computer
Hi all, I just bought a new computer, going cheap instead of going top of the line. It has a 4.1Ghz dual AMD FM2 processor, 16GB of RAM, and ASUS mobo, and I'll be doing both business computing and experimental virtual machines on it. All my previous daily driver business machines have been either Mandrake/Mandriva or Ubuntu/Xubuntu, but I'm going to see if I can make this one Debian Stable in order to free myself from Plymouth and lightdm. I'll keep you in the loop as this project proceeds forward. I'm going to do it slowly and carefully, because my entire business will depend on this machine. Thanks, SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140618160840.1d3eccc3@mydesk
Re: New computer
On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 04:08:40PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: Hi all, I just bought a new computer, going cheap instead of going top of the line. It has a 4.1Ghz dual AMD FM2 processor, 16GB of RAM, and ASUS mobo, and I'll be doing both business computing and experimental virtual machines on it. All my previous daily driver business machines have been either Mandrake/Mandriva or Ubuntu/Xubuntu, but I'm going to see if I can make this one Debian Stable in order to free myself from Plymouth and lightdm. I'll keep you in the loop as this project proceeds forward. I'm going to do it slowly and carefully, because my entire business will depend on this machine. what a cute boy.. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140618202244.GE6631@localhost
Re: New computer
Sounds like an interesting project! I look forward to seeing the results! --Dave -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity lack of my usual quote-and-reply style. On June 18, 2014 1:08:40 PM PDT, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote: Hi all, I just bought a new computer, going cheap instead of going top of the line. It has a 4.1Ghz dual AMD FM2 processor, 16GB of RAM, and ASUS mobo, and I'll be doing both business computing and experimental virtual machines on it. All my previous daily driver business machines have been either Mandrake/Mandriva or Ubuntu/Xubuntu, but I'm going to see if I can make this one Debian Stable in order to free myself from Plymouth and lightdm. I'll keep you in the loop as this project proceeds forward. I'm going to do it slowly and carefully, because my entire business will depend on this machine. Thanks, SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/075b3cc9-176e-41f9-ac8b-fec79ba91...@email.android.com
Re: New computer
On Wed, 18 Jun 2014 20:22:44 + Артур Истомин art.is...@yandex.ru wrote: what a cute boy.. May be a little anxiety: won't my capacitors be in heat this summer (or perhaps the fear of the black screen of death that kills:) -- What is called liberty, in poliotics language, is the right to make laws; in other words, enchaining liberty. -- Auguste Vermorel signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: New computer planned
On Vi, 24 feb 12, 15:34:51, Martin Steigerwald wrote: I recommend Wheezy for Sandybridge. For Squeeze you´d need recent backports of kernel, X.org and mesa. Which are available in backports. Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: New computer planned
Funny enough nobody talked about energy consumption yet. If you would buy a car or any other device, this would immediately be a point worth considering, wouldn't it? I suggest you buy a Mac Mini (-Server if you like to have 2 disks). - works fine with Debian - uses only a fraction of power compared to others - is *very* small - is *extremely* quiet - has all necessary connectors - you can connect any peripherals you like - has all wireless stuff built-in - has a card reader built-in - has fine 3D power graphics (Tuxracer runs very fine) Should I go on? And if you do so, you'll get flamed by _everyone_ for the rest of your life for using a superior OS on superior hardware. ;-) HTH, ändu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f4b8170.7050...@worldwideweber.ch
Re: New computer planned. Now: New computer delivered.
Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sat, 2012-02-25 at 20:00 -0500, Celejar wrote: On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 15:22:32 +0100 Martin Steigerwald mar...@lichtvoll.de wrote: Am Dienstag, 21. Februar 2012 schrieb Celejar: Curt Howland howl...@priss.com wrote: Well, I have the new computer and booting up is definitely faster. As it happened, both HDDs in my old computer were IDE, so because the new motherboard only has SATA connectors, I only have the SSD. One problem. The Wifi card is a RealTek TL-WN781ND which according to my web search for Linux drivers, is based on an Ath9K chip. Anyone know how to get Wifi working for this Wifi card? The mini-CD provided with the board has drivers for Windoze only. So my desktop, which is whisper quiet, is just sitting not being used because of the lack of a driver for the Wifi card. -- Sian Mountbatten Algol 68 specialist -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jig4qh$pmq$1...@speranza.aioe.org
Re: New computer planned. Now: New computer delivered.
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 06:43, Sian Mountbatten poenik...@fastmail.co.uk wrote: One problem. The Wifi card is a RealTek TL-WN781ND You mean TP-Link TL-WN781ND RealTek is a wifi (and other) chip manufacture, not a card maker. Atheros is the the chip make for this one. which according to my web search for Linux drivers, is based on an Ath9K chip. Anyone know how to get Wifi working for this Wifi card? http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/ath9k Any kernel newer than 2.6.32 has Ath9k by default. A newer kernel might have better/more specific support for that card. Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=8SQKNbsKNL84X+21i1Jj9OKyjfNK9qmE5RBVu3GTB=c...@mail.gmail.com
Re: New computer planned
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Andreas Weber ae...@worldwideweber.ch wrote: Funny enough nobody talked about energy consumption yet. If you would buy a car or any other device, this would immediately be a point worth considering, wouldn't it? I suggest you buy a Mac Mini (-Server if you like to have 2 disks). - works fine with Debian - uses only a fraction of power compared to others - is *very* small - is *extremely* quiet - has all necessary connectors - you can connect any peripherals you like - has all wireless stuff built-in - has a card reader built-in - has fine 3D power graphics (Tuxracer runs very fine) Should I go on? And if you do so, you'll get flamed by _everyone_ for the rest of your life for using a superior OS on superior hardware. ;-) Superior hardware?! The enclosure might be insanely great but the innards are the same as any other x86 PC. If I were buying a Mac Mini, I'd buy the lowest spec disk and upgrade it myself because Apple makes you pay through the nose for disk/RAM upgrades... (I'm assuming that you can buy a single-disk Mac Mini and add a second disk!) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOdo=Syu=gfm6mueein1jx8nrqp2ttfrpgtve3pqb7h8r-p...@mail.gmail.com
Re: New computer planned. Now: New computer delivered.
On 02/27/2012 09:43 AM, Sian Mountbatten wrote: Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sat, 2012-02-25 at 20:00 -0500, Celejar wrote: On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 15:22:32 +0100 Martin Steigerwaldmar...@lichtvoll.de wrote: Am Dienstag, 21. Februar 2012 schrieb Celejar: Curt Howlandhowl...@priss.com wrote: Well, I have the new computer and booting up is definitely faster. As it happened, both HDDs in my old computer were IDE, so because the new motherboard only has SATA connectors, I only have the SSD. /snip/ If you have a slot available, there are plug-in cards for IDE drives, not very expensive. YOu can get single port or two port, but as you know, a single port will support two drives, master and slave. --doug -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f4bc363.9040...@optonline.net
Re: New computer planned. Now: New computer delivered.
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 09:54, Doug dmcgarr...@optonline.net wrote: On 02/27/2012 09:43 AM, Sian Mountbatten wrote: Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sat, 2012-02-25 at 20:00 -0500, Celejar wrote: On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 15:22:32 +0100 Martin Steigerwaldmar...@lichtvoll.de wrote: Am Dienstag, 21. Februar 2012 schrieb Celejar: Curt Howlandhowl...@priss.com wrote: Well, I have the new computer and booting up is definitely faster. As it happened, both HDDs in my old computer were IDE, so because the new motherboard only has SATA connectors, I only have the SSD. /snip/ If you have a slot available, there are plug-in cards for IDE drives, not very expensive. YOu can get single port or two port, but as you know, a single port will support two drives, master and slave. Or there are little PATA to SATA adapters that plug into the back of the PATA device. I used one once for a while, it worked fine. Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=8=CVeP+8O=n6b52iBkE2jtOCp8vdRWq8gOf=jxhru...@mail.gmail.com
Re: New computer planned
On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 09:35:41 +0100 Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Sat, 2012-02-25 at 20:00 -0500, Celejar wrote: On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 15:22:32 +0100 Martin Steigerwald mar...@lichtvoll.de wrote: Am Dienstag, 21. Februar 2012 schrieb Celejar: Curt Howland howl...@priss.com wrote: ... It is my understanding that the Intel-based graphics cards work perfectly well with the standard Linux drivers, if you want to stay purely open-source. That's what everyone says, but it's not as true as it might be. Squeeze is shipping X stuff / drivers that cause GPU crashes on my (2007 era) Thinkpad T61 with Intel GM965 graphics: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44478 Did you every try with backported X stuff and drivers if available? Or Wheezy? Yes - I updated my X stuff from backports, and I haven't seen the problem since. Squeeze stuff is rather old by now. Fair enough - I'm just saying that perhaps we shouldn't go around saying that linux support for Intel is perfect, when Debian stable is shipping badly broken software for mature and not obsolete hardware. Celejar To funny, I didn't read all Debian digest, but marked them as To Do, while we had a discussion on Linux audio users list about the dropped nv driver. We, the Linux community seemingly are trapped into a graphics issue. I like to cross post this and I won't add any comment. Anyway, please take a look at http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-user/2012-February/date.html , thread Linux 3.2.0-rt Kernels on Debian Repos!. What should I see there? I took a quick look, and am not sure what you mean. I can't resist: :D ... :p, Celejar -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120227230358.3cfd8450.cele...@gmail.com
Re: New computer planned
On Sat, 2012-02-25 at 20:00 -0500, Celejar wrote: On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 15:22:32 +0100 Martin Steigerwald mar...@lichtvoll.de wrote: Am Dienstag, 21. Februar 2012 schrieb Celejar: Curt Howland howl...@priss.com wrote: ... It is my understanding that the Intel-based graphics cards work perfectly well with the standard Linux drivers, if you want to stay purely open-source. That's what everyone says, but it's not as true as it might be. Squeeze is shipping X stuff / drivers that cause GPU crashes on my (2007 era) Thinkpad T61 with Intel GM965 graphics: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44478 Did you every try with backported X stuff and drivers if available? Or Wheezy? Yes - I updated my X stuff from backports, and I haven't seen the problem since. Squeeze stuff is rather old by now. Fair enough - I'm just saying that perhaps we shouldn't go around saying that linux support for Intel is perfect, when Debian stable is shipping badly broken software for mature and not obsolete hardware. Celejar To funny, I didn't read all Debian digest, but marked them as To Do, while we had a discussion on Linux audio users list about the dropped nv driver. We, the Linux community seemingly are trapped into a graphics issue. I like to cross post this and I won't add any comment. Anyway, please take a look at http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-user/2012-February/date.html , thread Linux 3.2.0-rt Kernels on Debian Repos!. I can't resist: :D ... :p, Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1330245341.1234.34.camel@localhost.localdomain
Re: New computer planned
On Sun, 2012-02-26 at 06:03 +0100, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: Celejar wrote: Squeeze stuff is rather old by now. Fair enough - I'm just saying that perhaps we shouldn't go around saying that linux support for Intel is perfect, when Debian stable is shipping badly broken software for mature and not obsolete hardware. Well, this is the way the debian release cycle works. If you want a distro with a fixed six month release period, then you may be better off with ubuntu. In case you just need more recent versions of stuff, there is always testing, which is not as fragile as it sounds. ---)kaimartin(--- Again, read http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-user/2012-February/date.html , thread Linux 3.2.0-rt Kernels on Debian Repos!. What Debian should we install, to get a working system? Go with stable if you use NVIDIA, you are an idiot if you use NVIDIA, use Intel and install Debian, but not stable :D??? Cool! I dropped my Debian install for other reasons. - Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1330246349.1234.38.camel@localhost.localdomain
Re: New computer planned
On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 06:03:46 +0100 Kai-Martin Knaak k...@lilalaser.de wrote: Celejar wrote: Squeeze stuff is rather old by now. Fair enough - I'm just saying that perhaps we shouldn't go around saying that linux support for Intel is perfect, when Debian stable is shipping badly broken software for mature and not obsolete hardware. Well, this is the way the debian release cycle works. If you want a distro with a fixed six month release period, then you may be better off with ubuntu. In case you just need more recent versions of stuff, there is always testing, which is not as fragile as it sounds. I understand the Debian release cycle, and have understood it for years, along with the tradeoffs involved in choosing the various flavors. Once again, I'm just pointing out that we shouldn't go around telling everyone that support for Intel hardware is so idyllic if our Stable version doesn't support mature, non-obsolete, popular chipsets. Celejar -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120226082536.dcd64df4.cele...@gmail.com
Re: [LAU] New computer planned
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/26/2012 09:52 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: [..] What Debian should we install, to get a working system? Go with stable if you use NVIDIA, you are an idiot if you use NVIDIA, use Intel and install Debian, but not stable :D??? http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk9KNPQACgkQeVUk8U+VK0KV+gCfbd0LIWKEC7Q5gkGqRwhkJqDc vTgAnRNeM4OqR53+0t9S65y+/g9FTmma =chuZ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f4a34f5.1080...@gareus.org
Re: New computer planned
Doug wrote: This may be heretical for this list, but there are other distros in the world. I like PCLinuxOS, which is a rolling release, and is always up to date, if you just remember to update it once a week or so. sounds like debian/testing :-) With debian/stesing there is a benefit: You can stop updating once testing is declared stable. ---)kaimartin(--- -- Kai-Martin Knaak Email: k...@familieknaak.de Öffentlicher PGP-Schlüssel: http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/pks/lookup?search=0x6C0B9F53 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jieghb$js9$1...@dough.gmane.org
Re: New computer planned
On 02/26/2012 06:50 PM, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: Doug wrote: This may be heretical for this list, but there are other distros in the world. I like PCLinuxOS, which is a rolling release, and is always up to date, if you just remember to update it once a week or so. sounds like debian/testing :-) With debian/stesing there is a benefit: You can stop updating once testing is declared stable. ---)kaimartin(--- At the point where it is declared stable then nothing will be updated until six months? I'd rather have my system updated every week, if you don't mind. --doug -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f4ad5b2.2040...@optonline.net
Re: New computer planned
Doug dmcgarr...@optonline.net writes: I like PCLinuxOS, which is a rolling release, and is always up to date, if you just remember to update it once a week or so. sounds like debian/testing :-) With debian/stesing there is a benefit: You can stop updating once testing is declared stable. At the point where it is declared stable then nothing will be updated until six months? I'd rather have my system updated every week, if you don't mind. --doug testing is always rolling, but somewhat slowly and carefully. unstable is always rolling, much more quickly. unstable+experimental is always rolling, on the razor's edge. _Or_ you can target a specific release name, in which case you'll get a rolling release as long as that release is in testing, transitioning to a static release when that release becomes stable. Debian is very, very, flexible... -miles -- Opportunity, n. A favorable occasion for grasping a disappointment. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87y5rp9h87@catnip.gol.com
Re: New computer planned
On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 15:22:32 +0100 Martin Steigerwald mar...@lichtvoll.de wrote: Am Dienstag, 21. Februar 2012 schrieb Celejar: Curt Howland howl...@priss.com wrote: ... It is my understanding that the Intel-based graphics cards work perfectly well with the standard Linux drivers, if you want to stay purely open-source. That's what everyone says, but it's not as true as it might be. Squeeze is shipping X stuff / drivers that cause GPU crashes on my (2007 era) Thinkpad T61 with Intel GM965 graphics: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44478 Did you every try with backported X stuff and drivers if available? Or Wheezy? Yes - I updated my X stuff from backports, and I haven't seen the problem since. Squeeze stuff is rather old by now. Fair enough - I'm just saying that perhaps we shouldn't go around saying that linux support for Intel is perfect, when Debian stable is shipping badly broken software for mature and not obsolete hardware. Celejar -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120225200027.968d7c35.cele...@gmail.com
Re: New computer planned
On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 14:50:21 -0500 Doug dmcgarr...@optonline.net wrote: On 02/24/2012 09:22 AM, Martin Steigerwald wrote: Am Dienstag, 21. Februar 2012 schrieb Celejar: Curt Howlandhowl...@priss.com wrote: ... It is my understanding that the Intel-based graphics cards work perfectly well with the standard Linux drivers, if you want to stay purely open-source. That's what everyone says, but it's not as true as it might be. Squeeze is shipping X stuff / drivers that cause GPU crashes on my (2007 era) Thinkpad T61 with Intel GM965 graphics: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44478 /snip/ Just a little philosophy here: You may have groked, by now, that there is a fanatical fringe of Linux users who would not use anything but Open Source software that is not encumbered by a manufacturer's name, like NVidia, or Mozilla, etc. You may or may not be in that group, but if you are not, then don't let those who are beat you down. Use what works! (Just as some of us use Windows when it's reasonable to do so. For instance, if you have Photoshop on your Win machine, it would be plain stupid to force yourself into using Gimp, and if you have AutoCad, why fool with lesser programs that may be free/open-source, but not only don't have all the capability, but would require you to learn a new paradigm to use them. And I wait in hope for Corel to bring WordPerfect back to Linux, but for serious writing, I will cheerfully go to Windows, where it lives. Not free. Not open-source. Works!) /rant off Understood - I'm not in the fanatical fringe (although I'm somewhat sympathetic to them), but I was just disappointed to find that the system I purchased, with its vaunted Intel graphics, was crashing under Debian. Celejar -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120225200236.ee98f9d0.cele...@gmail.com
Re: New computer planned
Celejar wrote: Squeeze stuff is rather old by now. Fair enough - I'm just saying that perhaps we shouldn't go around saying that linux support for Intel is perfect, when Debian stable is shipping badly broken software for mature and not obsolete hardware. Well, this is the way the debian release cycle works. If you want a distro with a fixed six month release period, then you may be better off with ubuntu. In case you just need more recent versions of stuff, there is always testing, which is not as fragile as it sounds. ---)kaimartin(--- -- Kai-Martin Knaak Email: k...@familieknaak.de Öffentlicher PGP-Schlüssel: http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/pks/lookup?search=0x6C0B9F53 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jiceg7$1dd$1...@dough.gmane.org
Re: New computer planned
On 02/26/2012 12:03 AM, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: Celejar wrote: Squeeze stuff is rather old by now. Fair enough - I'm just saying that perhaps we shouldn't go around saying that linux support for Intel is perfect, when Debian stable is shipping badly broken software for mature and not obsolete hardware. Well, this is the way the debian release cycle works. If you want a distro with a fixed six month release period, then you may be better off with ubuntu. In case you just need more recent versions of stuff, there is always testing, which is not as fragile as it sounds. ---)kaimartin(--- This may be heretical for this list, but there are other distros in the world. I like PCLinuxOS, which is a rolling release, and is always up to date, if you just remember to update it once a week or so. And it's KDE, so it has a reasonably familiar interface, unlike present-day Ubuntu. (Altho there are other desktops available for it.) http://www.pclinuxos.com/?page_id=10 --doug -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f49d3e2.1070...@optonline.net
Re: New computer planned
Am Montag, 20. Februar 2012 schrieb Andrei POPESCU: On Lu, 20 feb 12, 14:19:36, Sian Mountbatten wrote: My desktop computer is nearly 7 years old and I'm thinking that a new computer using some of the hardware improvements would be a good thing. So I'm going to ask my friendly computer consultant, who is only downstairs from me, to build me a computer with hardware 3d acceleration, solid-state drive, 8Gb RAM. What else should I ask for and what works with Linux? He's going to give me a list of the hardware he is going to install, so I can check Linux compatibility. Although I am not a gamer, I would like to run tuxracer which really needs 3d acceleration to work. Any suggestions will be welcome. First decision: proprietary drivers or not For proprietary I'd chose nVidia cards over ATI anytime. While I can't comment on the driver itself, the packaging for nvidia over fglrx in Debian is superior (several generations supported, pre-built modules for stable, backports, responsive maintainers, etc.). If you definitely don't want to use proprietary drivers you can also consider Intel cards (or even built-in), since I expect the performance of either nVidia or ATI cards with the free drivers to be comparable with Intel. OTOH I doubt tuxracer has very high 3d performance requirements. Extreme Tuxracer plays nicely here in Full HD on Intel Sandybridge as well as Supertuxkart - the later except some sudden stuttering for a few seconds every now and then the last time I played it, but that seems to be a driver issue and might be fixed meanwhile. When deciding to go with Intel and its not that important to buy the new computer now, it might even be worthwhile to wait for 2 to 3 months in order to buy a computer with the new Ivybridge. It has even faster internal graphics. From the raw CPU speed there should not be that much of a difference between the two architectures as far as I read. Using Ivybridge will require new kernel and driver versions, but even for Sandybridge Debian Squeeze is too old unless backported X.org, Kernel and Mesa drivers in suitable versions exist. Kernel 3.2 is backported, I am not sure about the other ones. Ciao, -- Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201202241519.06742.mar...@lichtvoll.de
Re: New computer planned
Am Dienstag, 21. Februar 2012 schrieb Celejar: Curt Howland howl...@priss.com wrote: ... It is my understanding that the Intel-based graphics cards work perfectly well with the standard Linux drivers, if you want to stay purely open-source. That's what everyone says, but it's not as true as it might be. Squeeze is shipping X stuff / drivers that cause GPU crashes on my (2007 era) Thinkpad T61 with Intel GM965 graphics: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44478 Did you every try with backported X stuff and drivers if available? Or Wheezy? Squeeze stuff is rather old by now. Well as for what you´d buy today: The Intel drivers work quite well for Sandybridge in the meanwhile. -- Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201202241522.32289.mar...@lichtvoll.de
Re: New computer planned
Am Montag, 20. Februar 2012 schrieb Andrei POPESCU: On Lu, 20 feb 12, 17:09:45, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Mon, 2012-02-20 at 16:58 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Mon, 2012-02-20 at 16:58 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: If you definitely don't want to use proprietary drivers you can also consider Intel cards (or even built-in) Do they have 3D support? Yes, but not as good as nVidia/ATI. Driverwise or hardwarewise? Hardwarewise they are slower than recent dedicated gfx cards. Driverwise the support is excellent for opensource drivers. Compared to proprietary NVidia driver, maybe also proprietary ATI driver its still lacking when it comes to supported OpenGL features. -- Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201202241531.06472.mar...@lichtvoll.de
Re: New computer planned
Am Montag, 20. Februar 2012 schrieb David Christensen: On 02/20/2012 06:58 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: If you definitely don't want to use proprietary drivers you can also consider Intel cards (or even built-in), I prefer full FOSS HW support OOTB and have had the best experiences with Intel processors and integrated motherboards (video, sound, PATA/SATA, LAN, serial, parallel, PS/2, USB, etc.). Does Squeeze have full FOSS HW support OOTB for the Intel Second-Generation Core processors and Q67 chipset motherboards? Does Wheezy? Sid? As other posters have mentioned, checking HCL's is difficult at best. I recommend Wheezy for Sandybridge. For Squeeze you´d need recent backports of kernel, X.org and mesa. I'm considering building a Debian Gnome 64-bit desktop and a Debian Xen or XCP 64-bit server using i5-2500S processors and DQ67SW motherboards: http://ark.intel.com/products/52211/Intel-Core-i5-2500S-Processor-%286M -Cache-2_70-GHz%29 http://ark.intel.com/products/51997/Intel-Desktop-Board-DQ67SW Any comments from people running Debian, Gnome, Xen, or XCP on these parts? I only run on laptop so far. Here with Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2520M CPU @ 2.50GHz dualcore with hyperthreading. It rocks. I suggest using a SSD with that ;). Ciao, -- Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201202241534.51279.mar...@lichtvoll.de
Re: New computer planned
Am Montag, 20. Februar 2012 schrieb Ralf Mardorf: On Mon, 2012-02-20 at 10:17 -0500, Allan Wind wrote: Memory is cheap. More is better as Linux uses it for disk cache if nothing else. For heavy audio production I never noticed that even the swap gets touched with 4GB RAM. That does not give any clue whether Linux would use more RAM as disk cache if it had it. Linux might not touch swap yet even when it would utilize more RAM for disk caching and thus be faster with more RAM. Well lets have a closer look on a 8 GB machine: martin@merkaba:~ free -m total used free sharedbuffers cached Mem: 7783 4559 3223 0201 1082 -/+ buffers/cache: 3275 4507 Swap:12287282 12005 Already here Linux utilizes more than 4 GB of RAM. But it doesn´t use all 8 GB of RAM, not even for disk caches. But after waking up from hibernation to disk it was not running for long today. One KDE 4.7.4 session, Kontact, KMail, some other small apps. Now I start LibreOffice Writer 3.4.5 and Iceweasel 10: martin@merkaba:~ free -m total used free sharedbuffers cached Mem: 7783 4891 2891 0202 1302 -/+ buffers/cache: 3386 4397 Swap:12287281 12006 Linux continues to utilize even more memory. Minus caching already 3,3 GB RAM is in use. So with 4 GB RAM there would not be much space for disk caching. Granted that some applications might be less greedy with memory allocations when not so much of it is available. So while 4 GB would work for a KDE session with some apps, heck even 2 GB would work, 8 GB should give some performance boost - possibly rather little, considering that the Intel SSD 320 in that ThinkPad T520 is quite fast for an SATA 300 SSD. But still RAM is an order of magnitude faster. 10 times at least compared to an SSD. More than that for a harddisk. Given the price of RAM I would put 8 GB in for 64 bit Linux. At least I would make sure that I have the option to do it later. Which should be true for any recent desktop/tower motherboard - when its not for Atom or something like that. -- Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201202241547.04483.mar...@lichtvoll.de
Re: New computer planned
Am Montag, 20. Februar 2012 schrieb Andrei POPESCU: On Lu, 20 feb 12, 16:29:18, Doug wrote: You need a real mechanical hard drive. The solid-state drives have a limited read/write cycle. Recent studies seem to suggest that the limited read/write cycles are unlikely to affect normal usage. Intel SSD 320 is specced a useful life of at least 5 years at up to 20 GB host writes each day.¹ Intel has a rather low annual failure rate.² Once I read some article about numbers from other vendors with have been higher, but I do not remember what it was anymore. Still 0,4% annual failure rate for X25-M is 4 drives out of 1000 in one year and it is always good to keep a backup! I have not yet seen numbers for Intel SSD 320 tough and they have had and probably even still have a 8 MB bug. Search Heise Open for that, they have a good article on it. Well I am not more worried than with harddisks. And up to now not even one harddisks in my private use ever really failed. One Samsung 2,5 inch thought it had SMART errors after some sudden power losses, but even that one still worked. I had it replaced anyway. [1] http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/solid-state-drives/ssd-320- specification.html [2] http://www.anandtech.com/show/4244/intel-ssd-320-review Ciao, -- Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201202241559.28716.mar...@lichtvoll.de
Re: New computer planned
Am Freitag, 24. Februar 2012 schrieb Martin Steigerwald: Still 0,4% annual failure rate for X25-M is 4 drives out of 1000 in one year and it is always good to keep a backup! I have not yet seen numbers for Intel SSD 320 tough and they have had and probably even still have a 8 MB bug. Search Heise Open for that, they have a good article on it. On sudden power loss. Quite rarely. But when it happens the SSD reports its 8 MB big and needs to be replaced. Ironically AFAIC it comes from an issue related to the capacitors on the SSD that should allow the SSD to complete pending writes in case of a power loss. There has been a firmware update that I applied. But it has not been clear, whether it really fixes the issue even when it should. Well, this one still works ;). And the laptop has a battery in it. -- Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201202241603.22128.mar...@lichtvoll.de
Re: New computer planned
On 02/24/2012 09:22 AM, Martin Steigerwald wrote: Am Dienstag, 21. Februar 2012 schrieb Celejar: Curt Howlandhowl...@priss.com wrote: ... It is my understanding that the Intel-based graphics cards work perfectly well with the standard Linux drivers, if you want to stay purely open-source. That's what everyone says, but it's not as true as it might be. Squeeze is shipping X stuff / drivers that cause GPU crashes on my (2007 era) Thinkpad T61 with Intel GM965 graphics: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44478 /snip/ Just a little philosophy here: You may have groked, by now, that there is a fanatical fringe of Linux users who would not use anything but Open Source software that is not encumbered by a manufacturer's name, like NVidia, or Mozilla, etc. You may or may not be in that group, but if you are not, then don't let those who are beat you down. Use what works! (Just as some of us use Windows when it's reasonable to do so. For instance, if you have Photoshop on your Win machine, it would be plain stupid to force yourself into using Gimp, and if you have AutoCad, why fool with lesser programs that may be free/open-source, but not only don't have all the capability, but would require you to learn a new paradigm to use them. And I wait in hope for Corel to bring WordPerfect back to Linux, but for serious writing, I will cheerfully go to Windows, where it lives. Not free. Not open-source. Works!) /rant off --doug -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f47e9fd.7030...@optonline.net
Re: New computer planned
On 02/24/2012 06:34 AM, Martin Steigerwald wrote: I recommend Wheezy for Sandybridge. For Squeeze you´d need recent backports of kernel, X.org and mesa. That's what I thought. Thanks for the confirmation. :-) David -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f484f6b.7070...@holgerdanske.com
Re: New computer planned
Curt Howland howl...@priss.com writes: The only thing I did for Linux compatibility was to not get on-board graphics. I bought an Nvidia-based graphics card that was not bleeding edge, even though it's got 3D acceleration. The card has it's own RAM, so system RAM is not shared, which is a very good thing, and it drives 3D games perfectly well using the Nvidia supplied graphics driver. It is my understanding that the Intel-based graphics cards work perfectly well with the standard Linux drivers, if you want to stay purely open-source. Radeon GPUs also seem to work pretty much flawlessly with the default free drivers these days. -miles -- Love is the difficult realization that something other than oneself is real. [Iris Murdoch] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/buoaa49kint@dhlpc061.dev.necel.com
Re: New computer planned
I wouldn't worry about SSD failure. At least, not as much as one usually worries about HDD failure :) The guys at hardware.fr did a nice experiment: they set up a computer to do continuous write-erase cycles on an SSD in order to see how long it would last, and when performance decreases would start. The drive handled about 600 TB of write operations before it started to show problems. I think you'll admit this is enough for average usage. The 8800GT though, that's another story. It's kind of an outdated GPU, not one I'd put in a recent PC, especially one that comes at £599. Bear in mind there are no really expensive hardware except the SSD. I think you could haggle a bit on the price and/or ask for a higher-end/more modern GPU :) If you really want to be picky, the Crucial M4 series of SSDs got better reviews than the Agility 3 series. That and the fact OCZ has got a bit of bad rep for their customer service (although that will be your colleague's problem, not yours).
Re: New computer planned
Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Ma, 21 feb 12, 22:58:03, Sian Mountbatten wrote: It will have Intel Core i5-2400 3.10GHz Socket LGA1155, MSI Z68S REV B3 motherboard, 8GB DDR3 1600MHz RAM, Nvidia GeForce 8800GT 256MB PCI-Express graphics, an SSD OCZ Agility 3 120GB 2.5 SATA instead of a hard disk drive, a Samsung DVD-RW SATA, Onboard 7.1 channel HD Audio, Onboard 10/100/1000 Mbps Lan, 802.11B/G/N WiFi, an ATX + Cooler Master 450W PSU and NO OS. He knows I use Linux. He's going to charge me £599 and I think it's worth the money, because if anything goes wrong, he's just downstairs. Just two comments: - only 256 MB seems low by todays standards - do you need WiFi? Kind regards, Andrei Wifi: yes. I do not have broadband. The consultant has a Wifi network which I can pick up in my living room. So I get broadband access for only £6/month. Pretty good considering that there are no download limitations. And unless the internet is really busy, I get as much as 1.8MB/sec download speed. Considering that I do not download films, I reckon that my online usage is reasonable. I'm a pretty small player in the internet stakes. Apart from downloading ISOs to install Linux from, and packages from Debian, I don't do much downloading. I don't even have a landline telephone. Just a mobile. So broadband access is very cheap for me. I have no complaints about the setup. And my mobile phone is not on a contract: I just pay for my calls by direct debit. My monthly mobile phone payment is usually less than £10. So I can't complain! Regards -- Sian Mountbatten Algol 68 specialist (www.poenikatu.co.uk) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/ji2bv5$q17$1...@speranza.aioe.org
Re: New computer planned
Sian (and all), Congratulations on the work you've done with Algol, Literate Programming, and such! Those are all interests of mine, as well, (Well, from Algol, I eventually moved on to Pascal, and never really grokked C/C++, although I'm still making sporadic efforts to learn enough C++ to write a lexer for the TWiki markup language for the Scintilla family of editors.) I'd be interested in seeing what you've done with Literate Programming--part of what I'm doing with TWiki markup and a lexer for Scintilla has literate programming as one of its goals. I tried (briefly) looking at your web site for something about your literate progamming system, but did not notice anything. Randy Kramer PS: I've cc'd you because the list is so busy--if you respond to me and want me to see it, I'd request you do the same--I don't always read (or even skim) the list--usually only after I've asked a question and am watching for an answer. On Tuesday 21 February 2012 05:58:03 pm Sian Mountbatten wrote: On the software development front, I use the programming language Algol 68, which is a high-level language. C is a medium-level language. I have spent years in porting an old compiler to Linux, providing a decent run-time system and even writing a 600-page book to teach the language from scratch. I have developed my own Literate Programming System which I shall be completing during the coming months. I have written an Algol 68 binding to the Xforms library so that it is possible to write GUI programs without any bother. And, more recently, I now have a web-site with more than 150 pages for the book, as well as a manual for the software development system I use. The site is in my signature. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201202220824.14609.rhkra...@gmail.com
Re: New computer planned
On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 01:19, Sian Mountbatten poenik...@fastmail.co.uk wrote: Wifi: yes. I do not have broadband. The consultant has a Wifi network which I can pick up in my living room. Ah, I did not see this when I wrote my response. Check on the card/chipset. As I said, drivers can still be iffy, though much better than they used to be. I would go with chips from Atheros or Intel, personally. Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=9OMitd_KGgbyLaHvi-eYHOTYMzZCPVnSHq_5M0QQg=9...@mail.gmail.com
Re: New computer planned -- (cleaning old keyboard)
On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 02:19:36PM +, Sian Mountbatten wrote: Maybe I should keep the keyboard I am using. It's not overly clean, but I can live with it. How to clean a dirty (fatty) keyboard: -- Mix liquid ammonia concentrate (NH4-OH) + cold (!) water in a bucket; hold your keyboard with them keys down (!) above the bucket; use a softly scrubbing brush (horse hair = less sqirting) wetted w/ mixture and brush the keys from underneath, moving brush softly along their gaps; keep the keyboard upside down, so the cleaning agent will not enter any keyboard contact, and put the keyboard on a warm place in order to get all water w/ ammonia completely evaporated. (Ammonia itself won't leave any residue.) I just use 90% pure (or better) isopropyl alcohol undiluted, and a soft, lint-free cloth. Just spray on. Cleans all the crud off, and evaporates quickly. Most pharmacies carry it. Don't mistakenly buy rubbing alcohol. It has oil in it. It's made for massage. You don't want that. B -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1329932155.68990.yahoomail...@web160304.mail.bf1.yahoo.com
Re: New computer planned
On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 10:58:03PM +, Sian Mountbatten wrote: The computer consultant has actually printed out on a piece of A5-sized paper just what he's offering. I'm going to ignore the Intel Core i3-2100 with 4GB DDR3 1333MHz RAM and get the higher spec. machine. It will have Intel Core i5-2400 3.10GHz Socket LGA1155, MSI Z68S REV B3 motherboard, 8GB DDR3 1600MHz RAM, Nvidia GeForce 8800GT 256MB PCI-Express graphics, an SSD OCZ Agility 3 120GB 2.5 SATA instead of a hard disk drive, a Samsung DVD-RW SATA, Onboard 7.1 channel HD Audio, Onboard 10/100/1000 Mbps Lan, 802.11B/G/N WiFi, an ATX + Cooler Master 450W PSU and NO OS. He knows I use Linux. He's going to charge me £599 and I think it's worth the money, because if anything goes wrong, he's just downstairs. If you're going with an NVidia card, use a GT220 or 430. They are reasonably cheap, and are the highest end cards for which all functions are completely supported. The 8800GT is a power-sucking beast from a previous generation. -dsr- -- http://randomstring.org/~dsr/eula.html is hereby incorporated by reference. You can't fight for freedom by taking away rights. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120222172604.gu17...@randomstring.org
Re: New computer planned
On Lu, 20 feb 12, 19:38:30, Doug wrote: After the plug game, the k/b works fine, and I never used a numberpad anyway--all my boards have numbers on the top row--don't all of them? Yes, but the numpad is very efficient if you have to input a lot of numbers. Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: New computer planned
On Monday 20 February 2012 10:17:46 am Allan Wind wrote: You did not mention monitors but high definition has brought the larger ones way down in price. 30 monitors (2560x1600) are still in a different price league but to me it is worth it. If you are buying a 30 consider one with Display Ports instead of DVI. Lenovo's docking station for the W520, for instance, can only do the 30 at full resolution via Display Port (this was not an issue with earlier versions). The are DVI to Display Port converters but the ones I have are not 100% stable (I probably power cycle it a couple of times per month). Or, consider two smaller monitors and use nVidia's TwinView (their proprietary driver)--I haven't tried the open source driver yet. Randy Kramer -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201202211048.4.rhkra...@gmail.com
Re: New computer planned
On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 07:48, Randy Kramer rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday 20 February 2012 10:17:46 am Allan Wind wrote: You did not mention monitors but high definition has brought the larger ones way down in price. 30 monitors (2560x1600) are still in a different price league but to me it is worth it. If you are buying a 30 consider one with Display Ports instead of DVI. Lenovo's docking station for the W520, for instance, can only do the 30 at full resolution via Display Port (this was not an issue with earlier versions). The are DVI to Display Port converters but the ones I have are not 100% stable (I probably power cycle it a couple of times per month). Or, consider two smaller monitors and use nVidia's TwinView (their proprietary driver)--I haven't tried the open source driver yet. Nothing special about dual monitors, just use xrandr. Works with Nvidia, ATI and Intel chips. Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=-JSzpOHjhSdXXq6JAH05bjXrr5rmBXLD7EwsAmMac=t...@mail.gmail.com
Re: New computer planned -- (cleaning old keyboard)
On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 02:19:36PM +, Sian Mountbatten wrote: Maybe I should keep the keyboard I am using. It's not overly clean, but I can live with it. -- Sian Mountbatten Algol 68 specialist Moin mitnanner, How to clean a dirty (fatty) keyboard: -- Mix liquid ammonia concentrate (NH4-OH) + cold (!) water in a bucket; hold your keyboard with them keys down (!) above the bucket; use a softly scrubbing brush (horse hair = less sqirting) wetted w/ mixture and brush the keys from underneath, moving brush softly along their gaps; keep the keyboard upside down, so the cleaning agent will not enter any keyboard contact, and put the keyboard on a warm place in order to get all water w/ ammonia completely evaporated. (Ammonia itself won't leave any residue.) Good luck! W. Fokken -- . Education is a man's going from cocksure ignorance to thoughtful uncertainty. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120221173136.ga4...@fok01.laje.edewe.de
Re: New computer planned
On Mon, 20 Feb 2012 10:15:13 -0500 Curt Howland howl...@priss.com wrote: ... It is my understanding that the Intel-based graphics cards work perfectly well with the standard Linux drivers, if you want to stay purely open-source. That's what everyone says, but it's not as true as it might be. Squeeze is shipping X stuff / drivers that cause GPU crashes on my (2007 era) Thinkpad T61 with Intel GM965 graphics: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44478 Celejar -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120221154949.3258b855.cele...@gmail.com
Re: New computer planned
On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Celejar cele...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 20 Feb 2012 10:15:13 -0500 Curt Howland howl...@priss.com wrote: It is my understanding that the Intel-based graphics cards work perfectly well with the standard Linux drivers, if you want to stay purely open-source. That's what everyone says, but it's not as true as it might be. Squeeze is shipping X stuff / drivers that cause GPU crashes on my (2007 era) Thinkpad T61 with Intel GM965 graphics: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44478 The last entry on that bug report is that it's fixed. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOdo=sxxuslzjtgsc0uvlb--dhmwnvn5ve1wrocxnkl2gre...@mail.gmail.com
Re: New computer planned
Tom H wrote: On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Celejarcele...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 20 Feb 2012 10:15:13 -0500 Curt Howlandhowl...@priss.com wrote: It is my understanding that the Intel-based graphics cards work perfectly well with the standard Linux drivers, if you want to stay purely open-source. Well, the comments on this thread have made interesting reading. The computer consultant has actually printed out on a piece of A5-sized paper just what he's offering. I'm going to ignore the Intel Core i3-2100 with 4GB DDR3 1333MHz RAM and get the higher spec. machine. It will have Intel Core i5-2400 3.10GHz Socket LGA1155, MSI Z68S REV B3 motherboard, 8GB DDR3 1600MHz RAM, Nvidia GeForce 8800GT 256MB PCI-Express graphics, an SSD OCZ Agility 3 120GB 2.5 SATA instead of a hard disk drive, a Samsung DVD-RW SATA, Onboard 7.1 channel HD Audio, Onboard 10/100/1000 Mbps Lan, 802.11B/G/N WiFi, an ATX + Cooler Master 450W PSU and NO OS. He knows I use Linux. He's going to charge me £599 and I think it's worth the money, because if anything goes wrong, he's just downstairs. It's quite possible I could get a lower price on the Internet, but I wouldn't have the service and backup. Anyway, I'm not so skint that I cannot give some cash for a good computer. My present desktop is over 7.5 years old and is still going strong. Its power-supply blew up with a bang last year, and I bought a big thin TFT screen to replace the one that came with the computer. I'll be keeping my keyboard and the display, and very likely, the mouse. So no change there. What do you think, guys? Do you reckon it will drive Linux like the clappers? Nothing like a bit of oomph to liven one's days, eh? On the software development front, I use the programming language Algol 68, which is a high-level language. C is a medium-level language. I have spent years in porting an old compiler to Linux, providing a decent run-time system and even writing a 600-page book to teach the language from scratch. I have developed my own Literate Programming System which I shall be completing during the coming months. I have written an Algol 68 binding to the Xforms library so that it is possible to write GUI programs without any bother. And, more recently, I now have a web-site with more than 150 pages for the book, as well as a manual for the software development system I use. The site is in my signature. Thanks for all your comments. -- Sian Mountbatten www.poenikatu.co.uk -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/ji17hm$7h2$1...@speranza.aioe.org
Re: New computer planned
On Ma, 21 feb 12, 22:58:03, Sian Mountbatten wrote: It will have Intel Core i5-2400 3.10GHz Socket LGA1155, MSI Z68S REV B3 motherboard, 8GB DDR3 1600MHz RAM, Nvidia GeForce 8800GT 256MB PCI-Express graphics, an SSD OCZ Agility 3 120GB 2.5 SATA instead of a hard disk drive, a Samsung DVD-RW SATA, Onboard 7.1 channel HD Audio, Onboard 10/100/1000 Mbps Lan, 802.11B/G/N WiFi, an ATX + Cooler Master 450W PSU and NO OS. He knows I use Linux. He's going to charge me £599 and I think it's worth the money, because if anything goes wrong, he's just downstairs. Just two comments: - only 256 MB seems low by todays standards - do you need WiFi? Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: New computer planned
On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 12:48:32AM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Lu, 20 feb 12, 16:29:18, Doug wrote: You need a real mechanical hard drive. The solid-state drives have a limited read/write cycle. Recent studies seem to suggest that the limited read/write cycles are unlikely to affect normal usage. Andrei, What do you think about this article on SSD and errors? Link:http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9224322/SSDs_have_a_bleak_future_researchers_say -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120222031535.GA21090@phobos
Re: New computer planned
On 2/21/2012 9:15 PM, Nick Lidakis wrote: What do you think about this article on SSD and errors? Link:http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9224322/SSDs_have_a_bleak_future_researchers_say I'll tell you in 2024 at 6.5nm when we reach the end. In the mean time, anyone using a consumer MLC SSD needs to be far more concerned about device failure due to mundane things like basic product quality, rather than cells wearing out over time. For instance... My first foray into SSD was a Corsair V32. After less than 4 months, out of the blue one day, the machine locked up and upon reboot the BIOS didn't see the SSD. This was installed in a typical workstation--very low write load. The RMA replacement unit thus far has been flawless. /me knocks on wood My sister's 5 year old HP has a failing 250GB SATA SRD (spinning rust disk). I gave her some options and brief education, and she ordered an Intel MLC SSD from Newegg. Slightly more money than competitors but Intel is fanatical about QC, and we shouldn't have to worry about the thing dying for many years. After being burned by the Corsair I recommended she go top shelf. -- Stan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f44685b.5070...@hardwarefreak.com
New computer planned
My desktop computer is nearly 7 years old and I'm thinking that a new computer using some of the hardware improvements would be a good thing. So I'm going to ask my friendly computer consultant, who is only downstairs from me, to build me a computer with hardware 3d acceleration, solid-state drive, 8Gb RAM. What else should I ask for and what works with Linux? He's going to give me a list of the hardware he is going to install, so I can check Linux compatibility. Although I am not a gamer, I would like to run tuxracer which really needs 3d acceleration to work. Any suggestions will be welcome. Keyboard: for many years now, I have used a keyboard which is not membrane-based. It has individual key switches, is properly dished and is a joy to use. No keyboard click, but I don't use that anyway. The keyboard is connected to the PS/2 socket. Would a wireless keyboard do as good a job? I suppose it would probably be USB, but I shall listen to advice on that. The keyboard is an essential peripheral and I am willing to spend money on a good keyboard. Maybe I should keep the keyboard I am using. It's not overly clean, but I can live with it. I'm not in my twenties anymore and I have no agression to work off with snazzy games (which probably only work on Windoze anyway). Software development and software development support are my forte. Some of the simple games available on Linux provide sufficient entertainment for me, but I think that a new computer is one new year gift I could do with. I shall be interested to hear what people suggest. Regards -- Sian Mountbatten Algol 68 specialist -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jhtkpk$irl$1...@speranza.aioe.org
Re: New computer planned
On Lu, 20 feb 12, 14:19:36, Sian Mountbatten wrote: My desktop computer is nearly 7 years old and I'm thinking that a new computer using some of the hardware improvements would be a good thing. So I'm going to ask my friendly computer consultant, who is only downstairs from me, to build me a computer with hardware 3d acceleration, solid-state drive, 8Gb RAM. What else should I ask for and what works with Linux? He's going to give me a list of the hardware he is going to install, so I can check Linux compatibility. Although I am not a gamer, I would like to run tuxracer which really needs 3d acceleration to work. Any suggestions will be welcome. First decision: proprietary drivers or not For proprietary I'd chose nVidia cards over ATI anytime. While I can't comment on the driver itself, the packaging for nvidia over fglrx in Debian is superior (several generations supported, pre-built modules for stable, backports, responsive maintainers, etc.). If you definitely don't want to use proprietary drivers you can also consider Intel cards (or even built-in), since I expect the performance of either nVidia or ATI cards with the free drivers to be comparable with Intel. OTOH I doubt tuxracer has very high 3d performance requirements. Keyboard: for many years now, I have used a keyboard which is not membrane-based. It has individual key switches, is properly dished and is a joy to use. No keyboard click, but I don't use that anyway. The keyboard is connected to the PS/2 socket. Would a wireless keyboard do as good a job? I suppose it would probably be USB, but I shall listen to advice on that. The keyboard is an essential peripheral and I am willing to spend money on a good keyboard. Maybe I should keep the keyboard I am using. It's not overly clean, but I can live with it. Make sure the new mainboard even has a PS/2 interface, otherwise you'll have to use USB adapters (which can cause problems sometimes). Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: New computer planned
Sian Mountbatten poenik...@fastmail.co.uk wrote: So I'm going to ask my friendly computer consultant, who is only downstairs from me, to build me a computer with hardware 3d acceleration, solid-state drive, 8Gb RAM. What else should I ask for and what works with Linux? Sian, Two years ago I did the same thing. Quad-core 3GHz AMD Phenom2, 4G of 1600DDR3 RAM, etc. Everything on my ASRock and Asus motherboards has worked perfectly with Linux. In that regard, I don't think you have anything to worry about. The only thing I did for Linux compatibility was to not get on-board graphics. I bought an Nvidia-based graphics card that was not bleeding edge, even though it's got 3D acceleration. The card has it's own RAM, so system RAM is not shared, which is a very good thing, and it drives 3D games perfectly well using the Nvidia supplied graphics driver. It is my understanding that the Intel-based graphics cards work perfectly well with the standard Linux drivers, if you want to stay purely open-source. I also kept my old keyboard, since the motherboards all still have PS2 sockets for keyboards. I have tried wireless keyboards, and they have not been 100% reliable for me. Curt- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cagy8_s1s7dhwbxxgvyrpchm7-o+e4_hd9g+nqoo8oo6wr8z...@mail.gmail.com
Re: New computer planned
On Monday 20 February 2012 14:19:36 Sian Mountbatten wrote: It's not overly clean, but I can live with it. Perhaps clean it??? I use methylated spirit here in the UK. You just want alcohol, a lint-free cloth and cotton buds. Then you would not have to live with it. I would certainly recommend keeping your keyboard if you have one you like. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201202201535.57654.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: New computer planned
Hi Sian, Memory is cheap. More is better as Linux uses it for disk cache if nothing else. There is a large difference in performance of SSDs and the score board changes fairly quickly. Make sure you have non-crippled SATA 3 controller to get most out of them. Consider some of the high-end laptops. I have been happy with Lenovo's T and W series. The W520 comes with NVIDIA Quadro M1000 or M2000 cards which have 3d acceleration. Docking stations are convenient. I treasure my Kineses Freestyle keyboards as they eliminated the pain that I was starting to get. You did not mention monitors but high definition has brought the larger ones way down in price. 30 monitors (2560x1600) are still in a different price league but to me it is worth it. If you are buying a 30 consider one with Display Ports instead of DVI. Lenovo's docking station for the W520, for instance, can only do the 30 at full resolution via Display Port (this was not an issue with earlier versions). The are DVI to Display Port converters but the ones I have are not 100% stable (I probably power cycle it a couple of times per month). /Allan -- Allan Wind Life Integrity, LLC http://lifeintegrity.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120220151746.ga27...@lifeintegrity.com
Re: New computer planned
On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 02:19:36PM +, Sian Mountbatten wrote: My desktop computer is nearly 7 years old and I'm thinking that a new computer using some of the hardware improvements would be a good thing. If you plan to use wireless networking, make sure you check reviews on newegg, amazon, etc. for the particular wireless card you plan to buy -- make sure it is Linux-compatible. -Rob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120220155833.gd24...@aurora.owens.net
Re: New computer planned
On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 06:19, Sian Mountbatten poenik...@fastmail.co.uk wrote: My desktop computer is nearly 7 years old and I'm thinking that a new computer using some of the hardware improvements would be a good thing. So I'm going to ask my friendly computer consultant, who is only downstairs from me, to build me a computer with hardware 3d acceleration, solid-state drive, 8Gb RAM. Good. Note that it actually on the difficult side to build a desktop computer without 3D. You would have to not use integrated graphics and find an ancient PCI (or maybe AGP?) video card that did not have 3D. I imagine that your current computer has 3D, though just possibly if it was crummy when you got it, it may have only pre-GeForce non-programmable 3D. For the SSD, check what he plans to put in there. Intel or something with a SandForce (OCZ, et. al.) controller will bring the best performance, though the cheaper ones will still outperform spinning disks. Depending on how much data you have, and how much you want to spend, a large HDD might be in order as well, since a large SSD is only 128-256 GB, and is still expensive. 8 gigs has been serving me very well. What else should I ask for and what works with Linux? He's going to give me a list of the hardware he is going to install, so I can check Linux compatibility. Although I am not a gamer, I would like to run tuxracer which really needs 3d acceleration to work. Any suggestions will be welcome. Any 3D chip will handle it. I am not sure where the cutoff would be, but for sure anything from the last 5 years If TuxRacer/PlanetPenguin and similar (and maybe composited desktop) is really all you need from 3D, I highly recommend going with Intel integrated graphics. Simple excellent Open Source drivers, and plenty of power for what you are looking at. Especially if you are building a true modern system, the Sandy Bridge graphics are quite nice (though, as always, there is something just around the corner: Ivy bridge is coming up) Keyboard: for many years now, I have used a keyboard which is not membrane-based. It has individual key switches, is properly dished and is a joy to use. No keyboard click, but I don't use that anyway. The keyboard is connected to the PS/2 socket. Would a wireless keyboard do as good a job? I suppose it would probably be USB, but I shall listen to advice on that. The keyboard is an essential peripheral and I am willing to spend money on a good keyboard. Maybe I should keep the keyboard I am using. It's not overly clean, but I can live with it. They are still making motherboards with PS/2 ports (well, usually just one). USB would be as good. Wireless - aside from needing batteries replaced, there can indeed be input lag or interference. Usually nothing major, but it can be noticeable at times. I am not a fan, unless you are using it from a couch to control a home theater PC or something. I'm not in my twenties anymore and I have no agression to work off with snazzy games (which probably only work on Windoze anyway). I am leaving my 20s, but those games can be fun once in a while. A pretty fair number of games run fine on Wine, and there are actually a large number of FPSs that are native on Linux. Software development and software development support are my forte. Some of the simple games available on Linux provide sufficient entertainment for me, but I think that a new computer is one new year gift I could do with. It should make some things nicer I think. Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=9f8cbw7aeiadx9nsjtbf6b2qjnovj7ui54dd2dfsm...@mail.gmail.com
Re: New computer planned
On Mon, 2012-02-20 at 16:58 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Lu, 20 feb 12, 14:19:36, Sian Mountbatten wrote: My desktop computer is nearly 7 years old and I'm thinking that a new computer using some of the hardware improvements would be a good thing. So I'm going to ask my friendly computer consultant, who is only downstairs from me, to build me a computer with hardware 3d acceleration, solid-state drive, 8Gb RAM. What else should I ask for and what works with Linux? He's going to give me a list of the hardware he is going to install, so I can check Linux compatibility. Although I am not a gamer, I would like to run tuxracer which really needs 3d acceleration to work. Any suggestions will be welcome. You can't check for perfect Linux compatibility just by a list of the hardware. Regarding to your needs a combination of hardware always can cause issues. I experienced that 4GB are even enough for heavy audio productions. I suspect that there are less fields off applications, where you need more than 4GB. First decision: proprietary drivers or not For proprietary I'd chose nVidia cards over ATI anytime. While I can't comment on the driver itself, the packaging for nvidia over fglrx in Debian is superior (several generations supported, pre-built modules for stable, backports, responsive maintainers, etc.). I've got bad experiences with NVIDI, so I bought a mobo with an onboard ATI. The ATI caused an unsolvable issue, so I bought a NVIDI for the mobo with the internal ATI. IOW I agree, I experienced ATI as more worse than NVIDIA. I heard that the best solution should be to get a mobo with an Intel graphics. Especially today most distros dropped the nv driver, but the proprietary can't be used all the times. The nouveau driver for most distros, including Debian ex testing, is the only alternative to the proprietary one. If you definitely don't want to use proprietary drivers you can also consider Intel cards (or even built-in), since I expect the performance of either nVidia or ATI cards with the free drivers to be comparable with Intel. OTOH I doubt tuxracer has very high 3d performance requirements. :D IMO it's more important to get a passive graphics, they are all fast enough to race with Tux through GoogleEarth. Perhaps you need something special like HDMI or video composite. Get a PSU with a large fan. Get a CPU that has less power consumption. I'm using an Athlon BE-2350 2.1GHz dual-core, 45W. it's fast enough even for heavy audio productions, anyway, sometimes I wish to have something faster, when compiling a kernel or converting a video. I always use two HDDs, to make backups from one to the other, but just two, to get less noise and power consumption. The casing is the week point of my machine. Keyboard: for many years now, I have used a keyboard which is not membrane-based. It has individual key switches, is properly dished and is a joy to use. No keyboard click, but I don't use that anyway. The keyboard is connected to the PS/2 socket. Would a wireless keyboard do as good a job? I suppose it would probably be USB, but I shall listen to advice on that. The keyboard is an essential peripheral and I am willing to spend money on a good keyboard. Maybe I should keep the keyboard I am using. It's not overly clean, but I can live with it. Make sure the new mainboard even has a PS/2 interface, otherwise you'll have to use USB adapters (which can cause problems sometimes). It's always a PITA to use a new mouse or keyboard. Keep the once you've got as long as possible. Take care of PCI, and the different PCIe slots if you need them. You can drop ATA, all you need is SATA, IOW buy new HDDs if needed. If you want good audio quality buy RME cards only. If you need MIDI, avoid USB. - Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1329753536.2045.340.camel@oz.(null)
Re: New computer planned
On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 07:15, Curt Howland howl...@priss.com wrote: The only thing I did for Linux compatibility was to not get on-board graphics. Onboard graphics (Intel) is the best way to get Linux compatibility, actually. Although they have not provide specs like AMD, the level of support they put into the GPL drivers (there are no closed drivers!) is greater than AMD. And they have been driving much other Linux graphics work as well. Keith Packard himself even works there. Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=9dpkyqdidaju0mg3ckxn1q37ksk-lp2cpohqcq9e8...@mail.gmail.com
Re: New computer planned
On Mon, 2012-02-20 at 16:58 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Especially today most distros dropped the nv driver, but the proprietary can't be used all the times. The nouveau driver for most distros, including Debian ex testing, is the only alternative to the proprietary one. This driver is marked as experimental and doesn't work for many people. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1329753769.2045.342.camel@oz.(null)
Re: New computer planned
On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 07:58, Rob Owens row...@ptd.net wrote: On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 02:19:36PM +, Sian Mountbatten wrote: My desktop computer is nearly 7 years old and I'm thinking that a new computer using some of the hardware improvements would be a good thing. If you plan to use wireless networking, make sure you check reviews on newegg, amazon, etc. for the particular wireless card you plan to buy -- make sure it is Linux-compatible. Well, verifying the chipset should be fine. Although I hate WiFi and avoid it regardless of OS, if I can... Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=-ehpqdehxydd_rsdjokmthuyk5nwbfbjtz8pdq3y8...@mail.gmail.com
Re: New computer planned
On Mon, 2012-02-20 at 16:58 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Mon, 2012-02-20 at 16:58 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: If you definitely don't want to use proprietary drivers you can also consider Intel cards (or even built-in) Do they have 3D support? You can drop ATA, all you need is SATA, IOW buy new HDDs if needed. The SATA connectors are bad, get some with clips. I've got SATA without clips and from time to time I need to reconnect the connectors. A friend experiences the same. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1329754185.2045.346.camel@oz.(null)
Re: New computer planned
On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 04:58:56PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: I always use two HDDs, to make backups from one to the other, but just two, to get less noise and power consumption. The casing is the week point of my machine. Good point about the case. I've seen so many cases that only have spots for 1 or 2 hard drives. I'd get a case that can hold 6 or so 3.5 hard drives, just in case you decide to repurpose this machine later in life. It's also nice to be able to install your 2 hard drives with some space in between them (for better cooling). -Rob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120220163020.gb25...@aurora.owens.net
Re: New computer planned
Andrei POPESCU wrote at 2012-02-20 08:58 -0600: OTOH I doubt tuxracer has very high 3d performance requirements. Extreme TuxRacer works fine on my Intel GM965, fullscreen. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: New computer planned
On Mon, 2012-02-20 at 10:15 -0500, Curt Howland wrote: The card has it's own RAM, so system RAM is not shared, which is a very good thing It's a myth that shared RAM for the framebuffer is less good than a graphics with it's own RAM. What exactly should be better if the graphics has got it's own RAM? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1329755488.28024.4.camel@oz.(null)
Re: New computer planned
On Mon, 2012-02-20 at 10:17 -0500, Allan Wind wrote: Memory is cheap. More is better as Linux uses it for disk cache if nothing else. For heavy audio production I never noticed that even the swap gets touched with 4GB RAM. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1329755761.28024.6.camel@oz.(null)
Re: New computer planned
On Lu, 20 feb 12, 17:09:45, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Mon, 2012-02-20 at 16:58 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Mon, 2012-02-20 at 16:58 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: If you definitely don't want to use proprietary drivers you can also consider Intel cards (or even built-in) Do they have 3D support? Yes, but not as good as nVidia/ATI. Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: New computer planned
On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 08:31, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Mon, 2012-02-20 at 10:15 -0500, Curt Howland wrote: The card has it's own RAM, so system RAM is not shared, which is a very good thing It's a myth that shared RAM for the framebuffer is less good than a graphics with it's own RAM. What exactly should be better if the graphics has got it's own RAM? There is more RAM available. If you have 4GB, and shared memory, and a game needs 512MB just for textures, then you have that much less for the system. Also, current GDDR speeds are much higher than current DDR speeds. Memory bandwidth is king for intensive modern games. Now, for low performance stuff, it isn't going to matter much. Intel IGPs' pure processing power is low enough that the boost they would get from dedicated memory would be fairly small. Not to mention the GDDR would add cost and heat. So Intel doesn't make them like that. Or as discrete cards at all. For heavy audio production I never noticed that even the swap gets touched with 4GB RAM. Depend on what else you might be running, including what desktop environment or window manager. Not to mention than if he may keep this for another 7 years, he may as well get 8GB (or more). In 4 or 5 years, RAM should as usual, be much cheaper for the same amount and be faster too. But it doesn't mean the RAM he can use in the old motherboard will be cheaper Have you seen the price of DDR 1 or even 2 compared to 3 lately? I run a light WM instead of KDE or Gnome, but I still noticed a difference going from 4 to 8, as I run an inordinate number of tabs in my browser. It really depends on the details of your usage. He doesn't say what kind of Software Dev he does, maybe he will want to run a dev database or two to test against or something. This driver is marked as experimental and doesn't work for many people. Well, it is hard to reverse-engineer that kind of thing. If you get one of the models they been focusing on for a while, it ought to work fairly well. But in general, get a well-supported ATI card for performance, or Intel otherwise. I guess the highest performance on Linux come from the closed nvidia driver, but I don't understand people that use Linux but then support a company like nvidia. Even if you use Catalyst (which I don't much like either), at least it supports a reasonable company. Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFoWM=8cjradunengt78nyhqypgptffcu8bfdhfyeuwrjqb...@mail.gmail.com
Re: New computer planned
On Lu, 20 feb 12, 10:15:13, Curt Howland wrote: I also kept my old keyboard, since the motherboards all still have PS2 sockets for keyboards. I have been looking only at mini-ITX motherboards lately and I seem to recall models without PS/2, but you are probably right about full-sized ATX boards. Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: New computer planned
On 2/20/2012 9:19 AM, Sian Mountbatten wrote: My desktop computer is nearly 7 years old and I'm thinking that a new computer using some of the hardware improvements would be a good thing. So I'm going to ask my friendly computer consultant, who is only downstairs from me, to build me a computer with hardware 3d acceleration, solid-state drive, 8Gb RAM. What else should I ask for and what works with Linux? He's going to give me a list of the hardware he is going to install, so I can check Linux compatibility. Although I am not a gamer, I would like to run tuxracer which really needs 3d acceleration to work. Any suggestions will be welcome. Keyboard: for many years now, I have used a keyboard which is not membrane-based. It has individual key switches, is properly dished and is a joy to use. No keyboard click, but I don't use that anyway. The keyboard is connected to the PS/2 socket. Would a wireless keyboard do as good a job? I suppose it would probably be USB, but I shall listen to advice on that. The keyboard is an essential peripheral and I am willing to spend money on a good keyboard. Maybe I should keep the keyboard I am using. It's not overly clean, but I can live with it. I'm not in my twenties anymore and I have no agression to work off with snazzy games (which probably only work on Windoze anyway). Software development and software development support are my forte. Some of the simple games available on Linux provide sufficient entertainment for me, but I think that a new computer is one new year gift I could do with. I shall be interested to hear what people suggest. Regards -- Sian Mountbatten Algol 68 specialist A couple of suggestions: If you like your old keyboard, clean it up and use it. If you really want a nice keyboard, you want an IBM model M or its clone. Not cheap, unless you find one surplus someplace, Go to ClickyKeyboards.com (http://www.clickykeyboards.com/). They sell refurbed model Ms and a clone. The model M has no Microsoft keys. I'm using three (on three computers) all of which are probably at least 20 years old, bought at computer flea-markets, back when there were such things. They'll probably be working fine long after I'm dead, if some nincompoop doesn't throw them out for not having MS keys. You mention wireless keyboard: you'd have to have a receiver on the computer itself. If that's not built in, then yes, it would probably be USB. Modern machines have lots of USB ports, and they work very well. Of course, the k/b would have a battery in it, that would eventually die, so you'd want to have a spare available. You need a real mechanical hard drive. The solid-state drives have a limited read/write cycle. It's kind of a fad right now, since real drives are in short supply and expensive, due to foods in Thailand, where some critical part comes from. Some day the solid-state drive will be perfected, but it's not yet. If you want real security of data, get two hard drives and make a raid array. For real quick response, however, the solid-state drive can't be beat, so you might want one just for your development work--then transfer the final product to the revolving kind. Just my 2¢--doug -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f42bb2e.6050...@optonline.net
Re: New computer planned
On 02/20/2012 06:58 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: If you definitely don't want to use proprietary drivers you can also consider Intel cards (or even built-in), I prefer full FOSS HW support OOTB and have had the best experiences with Intel processors and integrated motherboards (video, sound, PATA/SATA, LAN, serial, parallel, PS/2, USB, etc.). Does Squeeze have full FOSS HW support OOTB for the Intel Second-Generation Core processors and Q67 chipset motherboards? Does Wheezy? Sid? As other posters have mentioned, checking HCL's is difficult at best. I'm considering building a Debian Gnome 64-bit desktop and a Debian Xen or XCP 64-bit server using i5-2500S processors and DQ67SW motherboards: http://ark.intel.com/products/52211/Intel-Core-i5-2500S-Processor-%286M-Cache-2_70-GHz%29 http://ark.intel.com/products/51997/Intel-Desktop-Board-DQ67SW Any comments from people running Debian, Gnome, Xen, or XCP on these parts? TIA, David -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f42c0c0.7030...@holgerdanske.com
Re: New computer planned
On Lu, 20 feb 12, 16:29:18, Doug wrote: You need a real mechanical hard drive. The solid-state drives have a limited read/write cycle. Recent studies seem to suggest that the limited read/write cycles are unlikely to affect normal usage. Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: New computer planned
On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 09:54:54PM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Lu, 20 feb 12, 10:15:13, Curt Howland wrote: I also kept my old keyboard, since the motherboards all still have PS2 sockets for keyboards. I have been looking only at mini-ITX motherboards lately and I seem to recall models without PS/2, but you are probably right about full-sized ATX boards. I had a Dell 5150 desktop at work about 5 years ago, and it didn't have any PS/2 ports. So they are out there! -Rob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120221001419.gd30...@aurora.owens.net
Re: New computer planned
On 2/20/2012 7:14 PM, Rob Owens wrote: On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 09:54:54PM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Lu, 20 feb 12, 10:15:13, Curt Howland wrote: I also kept my old keyboard, since the motherboards all still have PS2 sockets for keyboards. I have been looking only at mini-ITX motherboards lately and I seem to recall models without PS/2, but you are probably right about full-sized ATX boards. I had a Dell 5150 desktop at work about 5 years ago, and it didn't have any PS/2 ports. So they are out there! -Rob Several folks have already said that running a keyboard thru an adapter to a USB port can be a problem. I second that. I have a Dell Inspiron 5400/E1505 that I have been running with an IBM model M shortened external keyboard (no numberpad) thru a PS2 to USB adapter. It runs fine once it starts, but on turn-on from cold, the USB plug must be momentarily removed and replaced in order for the computer to fully access the k/b. It will see some letters but not others. Since the k/b can be switched (some- how) to have a phantom numberpad on the right-hand letter keys, I think it comes up that way, altho the keys don't produce numbers--they produce nothing. After the plug game, the k/b works fine, and I never used a numberpad anyway--all my boards have numbers on the top row--don't all of them? --doug -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f42e786.3020...@optonline.net
new computer maybe wrong dvd burner
I got a dvd burner in a refurbished more modern machine and may have got the wrong brand and model. Later I'll get some help changing booting order in cmos to pick this drive up. For now I don't know what device to try and mount this drive with: Script started on Fri 25 Apr 2008 04:03:35 AM EDT ns:~# wodim -scanbus scsibus1000: 1000,0,0 10) * 1000,1,0 11) * 1000,2,0 12) 'LITE-ON ' 'DVDRW LDW-451S ' 'GSB4' Removable CD-ROM 1000,3,0 13) * 1000,4,0 14) * 1000,5,0 15) * 1000,6,0 16) * 1000,7,0 17) * ns:~# exit exit Script done on Fri 25 Apr 2008 04:03:57 AM EDT -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/25/08 03:11, Jude DaShiell wrote: I got a dvd burner in a refurbished more modern machine and may have got the wrong brand and model. Later I'll get some help changing booting order in cmos to pick this drive up. For now I don't know what device to try and mount this drive with: Script started on Fri 25 Apr 2008 04:03:35 AM EDT ns:~# wodim -scanbus scsibus1000: 1000,0,0 10) * 1000,1,0 11) * 1000,2,0 12) 'LITE-ON ' 'DVDRW LDW-451S ' 'GSB4' Removable CD-ROM 1000,3,0 13) * 1000,4,0 14) * 1000,5,0 15) * 1000,6,0 16) * 1000,7,0 17) * ns:~# exit exit See if /dev/scd? exists. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA We want... a Shrubbery!! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIEa7kS9HxQb37XmcRAj4dAKDLxkZfX0qSMSIK6qkFhh5SULRjcQCgrrBt PhVFzGWRKf6akBH3JJVI0Z4= =ERNp -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: new computer maybe wrong dvd burner
On 04/25/2008 03:11 AM, Jude DaShiell wrote: I got a dvd burner in a refurbished more modern machine and may have got the wrong brand and model. Later I'll get some help changing booting order in cmos to pick this drive up. For now I don't know what device to try and mount this drive with: Script started on Fri 25 Apr 2008 04:03:35 AM EDT ns:~# wodim -scanbus scsibus1000: 1000,0,0 10) * 1000,1,0 11) * 1000,2,0 12) 'LITE-ON ' 'DVDRW LDW-451S ' 'GSB4' Removable CD-ROM 1000,3,0 13) * 1000,4,0 14) * 1000,5,0 15) * 1000,6,0 16) * 1000,7,0 17) * ns:~# exit exit Script done on Fri 25 Apr 2008 04:03:57 AM EDT When you connect the drive, kernel messages are created. Those messages can be listed using the dmesg utility. Probably, the kernel will tell where the device is located. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New computer
On 24/04/07, Joe Hart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Richard wrote: Hi all I just put a new computer together and would like to know your input about the following problems i experience. My new system has these components.: Motherboard - Intel DP965LT CPU - Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 HD - Seagate IDE 200 GB HD - Seagate SATA 250 GB DVD-rw NEC IDE Now i tried to install the new Debian Etch on it but already pretty fast during the install process i got stuck, because the installer could not find the CDROM drive. After i when i would have installed Etch i would like to have upgraded to Sid. So now i installed Ubuntu Feisty Fawn. And this did find my CDROM drive, but it sees my IDE HD as /dev/sda ... also not what it should be. My questions are: How can i install Debian Etch and upgrade to Sid on this hardware? Or are there modern Sid-netinstall-i386 iso images, which would not have the cdrom not found errors? Will debian then also see the /dev/hda as /dev/sda ? 1) Etch *should* work. I will try later today, i am now at work. I put the machine together yesterday and just tried to install Etch and after a while i just went on with Ubuntu because it seemed the Etch installer could not find the cdrom. Also found some options i could give to the kernel while it boots like all-generic-ide and irqpoll and also will look at the options Sudev Barar gave. 2) All drives as of the 2.6.20 kernel are /dev/sdX, and you've noticed by now I am sure that fstab is using UUID. Aha, this i did not know. Thanks for the info! 3) If you want to install Sid, you can try Sidux. It is Sid. Mmm, never heard of it, but will google for it. 4) Another way would be to get the business card ISO and choose Sid as your distribution. Yes i found in some forum a link to the daily netinstall mini iso images http://people.debian.org/~joeyh/d-i/images/daily/netboot/mini.iso Also will try this when other options won't work. If you want to run the latest version of things, then you have to be willing to accept the changes. Linux evolves. Just can not know everything about all the changes which occur in the development of these new versions. Anyway, thanks! Richard Joe - -- Registerd Linux user #443289 at http://counter.li.org/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGLZk3iXBCVWpc5J4RAh1GAKCfAKgM+B/JAlFM3wvBvaX2gHS9GgCgr2hY sZswPFWWbKE4voE3BGCtqtc= =/Ei5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
New computer
Hi all I just put a new computer together and would like to know your input about the following problems i experience. My new system has these components.: Motherboard - Intel DP965LT CPU - Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 HD - Seagate IDE 200 GB HD - Seagate SATA 250 GB DVD-rw NEC IDE Now i tried to install the new Debian Etch on it but already pretty fast during the install process i got stuck, because the installer could not find the CDROM drive. After i when i would have installed Etch i would like to have upgraded to Sid. So now i installed Ubuntu Feisty Fawn. And this did find my CDROM drive, but it sees my IDE HD as /dev/sda ... also not what it should be. My questions are: How can i install Debian Etch and upgrade to Sid on this hardware? Or are there modern Sid-netinstall-i386 iso images, which would not have the cdrom not found errors? Will debian then also see the /dev/hda as /dev/sda ? Thanks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New computer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Richard wrote: Hi all I just put a new computer together and would like to know your input about the following problems i experience. My new system has these components.: Motherboard - Intel DP965LT CPU - Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 HD - Seagate IDE 200 GB HD - Seagate SATA 250 GB DVD-rw NEC IDE Now i tried to install the new Debian Etch on it but already pretty fast during the install process i got stuck, because the installer could not find the CDROM drive. After i when i would have installed Etch i would like to have upgraded to Sid. So now i installed Ubuntu Feisty Fawn. And this did find my CDROM drive, but it sees my IDE HD as /dev/sda ... also not what it should be. My questions are: How can i install Debian Etch and upgrade to Sid on this hardware? Or are there modern Sid-netinstall-i386 iso images, which would not have the cdrom not found errors? Will debian then also see the /dev/hda as /dev/sda ? 1) Etch *should* work. 2) All drives as of the 2.6.20 kernel are /dev/sdX, and you've noticed by now I am sure that fstab is using UUID. 3) If you want to install Sid, you can try Sidux. It is Sid. 4) Another way would be to get the business card ISO and choose Sid as your distribution. If you want to run the latest version of things, then you have to be willing to accept the changes. Linux evolves. Joe - -- Registerd Linux user #443289 at http://counter.li.org/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGLZk3iXBCVWpc5J4RAh1GAKCfAKgM+B/JAlFM3wvBvaX2gHS9GgCgr2hY sZswPFWWbKE4voE3BGCtqtc= =/Ei5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
looking for a new computer burn in util
I am looking for a an all in one solution to performing a burn in of new servers. I know there are many stand-alone programs useful for that sort of thing, like Memtest86, CPUburn, Bonnie++, and just plain old repeatedly compiling the Linux kernel. But, is there a boot-able Live CD. Something I can use to test the hardware, before I install the OS and other software. Thanks in advance Tony
Re: looking for a new computer burn in util
On Tue, Apr 17, 2007 at 07:51:48PM -0400, Tony Heal wrote: I am looking for a an all in one solution to performing a burn in of new servers. I know there are many stand-alone programs useful for that sort of thing, like Memtest86, CPUburn, Bonnie++, and just plain old repeatedly compiling the Linux kernel. But, is there a boot-able Live CD. Something I can use to test the hardware, before I install the OS and other software. Depending on the hardware architecture, Knoppix will work. IIRC, it has memtest86+, cpuburn and bonnie++ along with a toolchain. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sánchez http://people.connexer.com/~roberto http://www.connexer.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: looking for a new computer burn in util
On Tue, 2007-04-17 at 19:51 -0400, Tony Heal wrote: I am looking for a an all in one solution to performing a burn in of new servers. I know there are many stand-alone programs useful for that sort of thing, like Memtest86, CPUburn, Bonnie++, and just plain old repeatedly compiling the Linux kernel. But, is there a boot-able Live CD. Something I can use to test the hardware, before I install the OS and other software. http://ltp.sourceforge.net/ If it were me, I'd do a completely minimal (meaning nothing more than needed to boot the system and get network access) install of Debian Lenny, upgrade to Sid. Then install the following, along with all recs and suggests: ltp - The Linux Test Project test suite ltp-commands-test - Command tests for the Linux Test Project ltp-disc-test - Disk I/O tests for the Linux Test Project ltp-kernel-test - kernel tests for the Linux Test Project ltp-misc-test - Misc. tests for the Linux Test Project ltp-network-test - Network tests for the Linux Test Project ltp-tools - Utilities for running the Linux Test Project test suite The do the runalltests.sh. Let it burn for a while. If it survives, it should be good for a while. When done, wipe and install said OS of your choice. This is what I do personally. Do a minimal system install, install ltp and bang away at it. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Novell's Directory Services is a competitive product to Microsoft's Active Directory in much the same way that the Saturn V is a competitive product to those dinky little model rockets that kids light off down at the playfield. -- Thane Walkup signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
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Re: Buying a new computer, questions!
Nano Nano 40119.nospam at comcast.net writes: This low-latency ram is supposed to be nice. All my games play extremely well but Doom 3 is about out. Under Windows? I'm still tethered to XP for certain games that do not work under WINE. Always interested in tips from those who've mastered the frustrating art of gaming under Linux. I'm glad to see a trend toward multi-platform releases, though. For example, the next version of Unreal will be released for Windows, Linux, and Mac... --M. Kirchhoff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Buying a new computer, questions!
On Mon, Feb 09, 2004 at 06:55:06PM +, M.Kirchhoff wrote: Nano Nano 40119.nospam at comcast.net writes: This low-latency ram is supposed to be nice. All my games play extremely well but Doom 3 is about out. Under Windows? I'm still tethered to XP for certain games that do not work under WINE. Always interested in tips from those who've mastered the frustrating art of gaming under Linux. I'm glad to see a trend toward multi-platform releases, though. For example, the next version of Unreal will be released for Windows, Linux, and Mac... Yes, I still use Windows XP for Games, writing my resume, and filing my taxes. However, I use Linux for e-Government, online banking, and managing my investment portfolio (such as it is), querying my library record with some perl scripts, and things. Longhorn will ship around 2006. I changed my XP partition to the new PC for games, but I mostly use Debian on it. My old PC now runs Windows 2000 from with an old MSDN valid key that I (legally) have. I use it with my Creative Digital VCR and to serve files, I *would* use Linux but DVCR doesn't work in Linux. Longhorn will ship in 2006. It will be interesting in the state of Linux as to whether or not I feel compelled to purchase it at full retail price. Hopefully in 2 years I will have left Microsoft behind completely. I went ahead and bought the new P4 3.2 and it overclocks to a 3.36 (5%). My PC4000 does 5 MB/sec on a SiSoft Sandra memory benchmark -- its capacity is 5.6 MB/sec, but you have to use a 2.4 or 2.6 overclocked to a 3.2 to get that kind of speed. It's plenty fast. Linux kernel 2.6.2 compiles in 6 minutes, which is roughly 100% faster than the P4 1.7. abcde/cdparanoia/flac fly. Mplayer and Fire{bird,fox} compile 100% faster. Openoffice finally starts in reasonably quickly! Totally worth it! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Buying a new computer, questions!
I am going to buy a new computer this week (yay Bush tax cuts!) -- will it work with Linux? Intel Pentium 4/ 3.2C GHz 800MHz FSB, 512K Cache, Hyper Threading Technology - Retail Asus 875P Chipset Motherboard for Intel Socket 478 CPU, Model P4C800-E DELUXE -RETAIL Corsair XMS Extreme Memory Speed Series, Low Latency (Twin Pack) 184 Pin 512MB(256MBx2) DDR PC-3200 - Retail (x2 = 1gig) plus a good case will be $960! woot! The other stuff will come over from my old PC. Will Linux be happy with Hyperthreading and this particular Mobo? I'm going to do some googling but I wondered if any could share experiences. Links: CPU: http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=19-116-164catalog=343manufactory=BROWSEdepa=1 Mobo: http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=13-131-464depa=1 Memory: http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-145-431catalog=147manufactory=BROWSEdepa=1 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Buying a new computer, questions!
On Mon, Feb 02, 2004 at 12:57:27AM -0800, Nano Nano wrote: I am going to buy a new computer this week (yay Bush tax cuts!) -- will it work with Linux? Intel Pentium 4/ 3.2C GHz 800MHz FSB, 512K Cache, Hyper Threading Technology - Retail Asus 875P Chipset Motherboard for Intel Socket 478 CPU, Model P4C800-E DELUXE -RETAIL Corsair XMS Extreme Memory Speed Series, Low Latency (Twin Pack) 184 Pin 512MB(256MBx2) DDR PC-3200 - Retail (x2 = 1gig) plus a good case will be $960! woot! The other stuff will come over from my old PC. Will Linux be happy with Hyperthreading and this particular Mobo? I'm going to do some googling but I wondered if any could share experiences. 1. I have a Mobile Pentium 4 with h/t running unstable with 2.4 kernel; seems A-OK to me 2. Read in O'Reilly Understanding the Linux Kernel 2nd Ed. that: Very recently, Intel introduced the hyper-threading technology. Basically, the hyper-threaded CPU isa microprocessor that executes two threads of exectuions at once; it includes serveral copies of the internal registers and quickly switches between them. Thanks to this approach, the machine cycles spent when one thread is accessing the RAM can be exploited by the second thread. A hyper-threaded CPU is seen by the kernel as two different CPUs, so Linux does not have to be explicitly made aware of it. However, Lnux breaks the oldest idle rule and forces an immediate resceduling when it discovers that a hyper-threaded CPU is running two idle processes. -- Mike -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Buying a new computer, questions!
On Mon, Feb 02, 2004 at 08:37:53AM +0100, Mike M wrote: On Mon, Feb 02, 2004 at 12:57:27AM -0800, Nano Nano wrote: I am going to buy a new computer this week (yay Bush tax cuts!) -- will it work with Linux? Intel Pentium 4/ 3.2C GHz 800MHz FSB, 512K Cache, Hyper Threading Technology - Retail ... 1. I have a Mobile Pentium 4 with h/t running unstable with 2.4 kernel; seems A-OK to me 2. Read in O'Reilly Understanding the Linux Kernel 2nd Ed. that: Very recently, Intel introduced the hyper-threading technology. Basically, the hyper-threaded CPU isa microprocessor that executes two threads of exectuions at once; it includes serveral copies of the internal registers and quickly switches between them. Thanks to this approach, the machine cycles spent when one thread is accessing the RAM can be exploited by the second thread. A hyper-threaded CPU is seen by the kernel as two different CPUs, so Linux does not have to be explicitly made aware of it. However, Lnux breaks the oldest idle rule and forces an immediate resceduling when it discovers that a hyper-threaded CPU is running two idle processes. This seems to be fixed in 2.6.x. See http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3346 and search on hyper. Kenward -- In a completely rational society, the best of us would aspire to be _teachers_ and the rest of us would have to settle for something less, because passing civilization along from one generation to the next ought to be the highest honor and the highest responsibility anyone could have. - Lee Iacocca -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Buying a new computer, questions!
On Mon, Feb 02, 2004 at 12:57:27AM -0800, Nano Nano wrote: I am going to buy a new computer this week (yay Bush tax cuts!) -- will it work with Linux? Intel Pentium 4/ 3.2C GHz 800MHz FSB, 512K Cache, Hyper Threading Technology - Retail Asus 875P Chipset Motherboard for Intel Socket 478 CPU, Model P4C800-E DELUXE -RETAIL Corsair XMS Extreme Memory Speed Series, Low Latency (Twin Pack) 184 Pin 512MB(256MBx2) DDR PC-3200 - Retail (x2 = 1gig) plus a good case will be $960! woot! The other stuff will come over from my old PC. Will Linux be happy with Hyperthreading and this particular Mobo? I'm going to do some googling but I wondered if any could share experiences. Links: CPU: http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=19-116-164catalog=343manufactory=BROWSEdepa=1 Mobo: http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=13-131-464depa=1 Memory: http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-145-431catalog=147manufactory=BROWSEdepa=1 I would consider another MB manufacture, as Asus has had problems with quality of as late. http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=13674 Ok this might effect their AMD line, but do you really trust a MB company which uses only one type of capacitors for only one line? I would much prefer you to have a long lasting computer with your hard earned cash. Also you could save a few dollars by choosing a different MB manufacture. Also do you really need a 3.2 Ghz chip, you could save a bundle on a 2.8 Ghz chip. Also make sure you get a new power supply, if it comes with the case make sure it will be big enough. Antec does a good job with PS bundles with their cases, or I like fortran which powers my dual rig. Otherwise everything looks good, if you went AMD you could save even more money, unless you went 64 which would be about the same. I don't know if the Pat extensions are coded for linux yet, but everything should be available in the newer kernels. Rthoreau -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Buying a new computer, questions!
On Mon, Feb 02, 2004 at 01:02:47PM -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would consider another MB manufacture, as Asus has had problems with quality of as late. http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=13674 Ok this might effect their AMD line, but do you really trust a MB company which uses only one type of capacitors for only one line? I would much prefer you to have a long lasting computer with your hard earned cash. Also you could save a few dollars by choosing a different MB manufacture. Also do you really need a 3.2 Ghz chip, you could save a bundle on a 2.8 Ghz chip. Also make sure you get a new power supply, if it comes with the case make sure it will be big enough. Antec does a good job with PS bundles with their cases, or I like fortran which powers my dual rig. Otherwise everything looks good, if you went AMD you could save even more money, unless you went 64 which would be about the same. I'm basing my buying decision on Tom's Hardware. His last two reviews on the P4 (3.4 Extreme the Memory Timings one) have been with: Asus P4C800-E Deluxe, Rev. 1.02 Intel 875P Chipset BIOS: 1014 4x Corsiar TwinX CMX256A-3200LL (XMS32005V1.1) 256 MB per DIMM CL 2.0 - tRCD 2 - tRP 2 - tRAS 6 for 133 and 200 MHz FSB That fellow is German, I trust Germans to steer me right in general (I love their sense of ergonomics and design) and this guy in particular seems to give good advice. I don't care (much) about overclocking. The 2.8 is only $60 cheaper, since the 3.4 is out people are dropping prices on the 3.2 (but they're not in stock!). I dunno, I might end up waiting. I currently have a P4 1.7 Willamette (RDRAM-800) from 2001 with a Radeon 9700: it looks like I'll get 50% better framerates in games and 100% faster times encoding MP3s in lame. This low-latency ram is supposed to be nice. All my games play extremely well but Doom 3 is about out. Plus it would be nice to cut down DVD-transcoding and stuff, that takes hours. Anyway, thanks. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: I can't ever boot-up with my new computer!!!
On Mon, Jul 31, 2000 at 10:46:32AM -0700, Karl Matheson wrote: Hey, I can't install Linux, because when I boot of the 2.1 CD, it dies, showing me the stack. It looks like this: SNIP.../SNIP scsi : 0 hosts scisi : detected total Partition check: hda : hda1 hda2 RAMDISK: Compressed image found at block 0 general protection: CPU: 0 EIP: 0010:[0017f759] EFLAGS: 00010206 eax: 0001 ebx: 4a88 ecx: 000 edx: 03fe3d94 esi: 03fe3d98 edi: 03fe4a9c ebp: 3d80 esp: 0038f714 ds: 0018 es: 0018 fs: 0018 gs: 0018 ss: 0018 Process swapper (pid: 1, process nr: 1, stackpage=0038f000) Stack: 0038f78c 0004 0004 03fe4a98 00 00 003f 01ff 4a84 0017fff9 00e40020 00091c14 0009 0006 0001 0038fca8 0038fd3c 4 0216 001e 011e Call Trace: [0017fff9] [00130c00] [0010ac15] [00121550] [001097fa] [001095 12] [00109519] [0010976c] Code: 8d 76 00 8b 15 4c ese 27 00 8a 44 15 00 8b 4c 24 24 88 04 11 Thanks, Cameron Matheson Possibly (just a guess), you have a processor which is not supported by the kernel shipped with Debian 2.1 (linux 2.0.36 is quite old, after all)? For instance, if you have an AMD Atlon (like me ), you cannot boot from Debian 2.1. I think there are others CPUs not compatible with Debian 2.1, but I don't knwow where the list is ( somewhere in www.debian.org, I think ) If this is the case, there are several solutions : - wait for debian 2.2 CDs - it should not be long, now - download Debian 2.2 from the net - Install from debian-based commercial distribution which has newer kernels (Corel, Storm and Libranet come to my mind), then use package manager tools to add others debian packages and remove the ones you don't like. - boot from a floppy made by someone with a kernel 2.2.x, then install debian from hard disk ( never tried this ) Ciao. -- FB
Re: I can't ever boot-up with my new computer!!!
I thought this was a potential bad memory problem. When I get these kinds of errors consistently I grab my memtest86(check freshmeat.net) boot disk and check it out. But I could be totally wrong on this. Francesco Bochicchio wrote: On Mon, Jul 31, 2000 at 10:46:32AM -0700, Karl Matheson wrote: Hey, I can't install Linux, because when I boot of the 2.1 CD, it dies, showing me the stack. It looks like this: SNIP.../SNIP scsi : 0 hosts scisi : detected total Partition check: hda : hda1 hda2 RAMDISK: Compressed image found at block 0 general protection: CPU: 0 EIP: 0010:[0017f759] EFLAGS: 00010206 eax: 0001 ebx: 4a88 ecx: 000 edx: 03fe3d94 esi: 03fe3d98 edi: 03fe4a9c ebp: 3d80 esp: 0038f714 ds: 0018 es: 0018 fs: 0018 gs: 0018 ss: 0018 Process swapper (pid: 1, process nr: 1, stackpage=0038f000) Stack: 0038f78c 0004 0004 03fe4a98 00 00 003f 01ff 4a84 0017fff9 00e40020 00091c14 0009 0006 0001 0038fca8 0038fd3c 4 0216 001e 011e Call Trace: [0017fff9] [00130c00] [0010ac15] [00121550] [001097fa] [001095 12] [00109519] [0010976c] Code: 8d 76 00 8b 15 4c ese 27 00 8a 44 15 00 8b 4c 24 24 88 04 11 Thanks, Cameron Matheson Possibly (just a guess), you have a processor which is not supported by the kernel shipped with Debian 2.1 (linux 2.0.36 is quite old, after all)? For instance, if you have an AMD Atlon (like me ), you cannot boot from Debian 2.1. I think there are others CPUs not compatible with Debian 2.1, but I don't knwow where the list is ( somewhere in www.debian.org, I think ) If this is the case, there are several solutions : - wait for debian 2.2 CDs - it should not be long, now - download Debian 2.2 from the net - Install from debian-based commercial distribution which has newer kernels (Corel, Storm and Libranet come to my mind), then use package manager tools to add others debian packages and remove the ones you don't like. - boot from a floppy made by someone with a kernel 2.2.x, then install debian from hard disk ( never tried this ) Ciao. -- FB -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
I can't ever boot-up with my new computer!!!
Hey, I can't install Linux, because when I boot of the 2.1 CD, it dies, showing me the stack. It looks like this: SNIP.../SNIP scsi : 0 hosts scisi : detected total Partition check: hda : hda1 hda2 RAMDISK: Compressed image found at block 0 general protection: CPU: 0 EIP: 0010:[0017f759] EFLAGS: 00010206 eax: 0001 ebx: 4a88 ecx: 000 edx: 03fe3d94 esi: 03fe3d98 edi: 03fe4a9c ebp: 3d80 esp: 0038f714 ds: 0018 es: 0018 fs: 0018 gs: 0018 ss: 0018 Process swapper (pid: 1, process nr: 1, stackpage=0038f000) Stack: 0038f78c 0004 0004 03fe4a98 00 00 003f 01ff 4a84 0017fff9 00e40020 00091c14 0009 0006 0001 0038fca8 0038fd3c 4 0216 001e 011e Call Trace: [0017fff9] [00130c00] [0010ac15] [00121550] [001097fa] [001095 12] [00109519] [0010976c] Code: 8d 76 00 8b 15 4c ese 27 00 8a 44 15 00 8b 4c 24 24 88 04 11 Thanks, Cameron Matheson
new computer ??
I'm considering a new computer. I was considering 2, but maybe I'll turn my 100MHZ pentium into a dedicated browser for family needs. ANYhoo, does anyone have good/bad experiences with any of the linux hardware vedors, VALinux, etc? Are the newest machines from Gateway, Dell, etc presenting any hardware compatibility issues? Strong opinions between regular PC sellers vs. the linux harwdare sellers? This is to run Debian, and maybe win9x. Thanks hunter
Re: new computer ??
there are and always will be issues. as always stick to standard hardware for best results. avoid win* stuff(modems especially), most oem systems should be mostly compadible with exception of the modem 90% or so ship with a winmodem as standard, most usually have a hardware modem as an option though. of course its best to buy from a vendor that will tell you 'yes it'll run linux!'. I have found SAG Electronics to be an excellent OEM. they use all top quality stuff, www.sagelec.com they have great prices, but i dont think they offer anything real cheap/low end, most of their stuff is workstation or server class, you may be able to find something for under $1000 though. cybermax has mostly compadible systems as well one of my friends got an athlon 550 from em last year, only thing he had to swap was the modem. suse 6.3 installed somewhat easily (i had to tweak his X config for his savage4) nate On Thu, 6 Apr 2000, Hunter H Marshall wrote: marsha I'm considering a new computer. I was considering 2, but maybe I'll turn my marsha 100MHZ pentium into a dedicated browser for family needs. marsha marsha ANYhoo, does anyone have good/bad experiences with any of the linux hardware marsha vedors, VALinux, etc? Are the newest machines from Gateway, Dell, etc presenting marsha any hardware compatibility issues? Strong opinions between regular PC sellers marsha vs. the linux harwdare sellers? marsha marsha This is to run Debian, and maybe win9x. marsha marsha Thanks marsha marsha hunter marsha marsha marsha -- marsha Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null marsha [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]-- Vice President Network Operations http://www.firetrail.com/ Firetrail Internet Services Limited http://www.aphroland.org/ Everett, WA 425-348-7336http://www.linuxpowered.net/ Powered By:http://comedy.aphroland.org/ Debian 2.1 Linux 2.0.36 SMPhttp://yahoo.aphroland.org/ -[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]-- 7:03pm up 9 days, 43 min, 2 users, load average: 0.15, 0.13, 0.09