Re: Not receiving list mail
On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 2:45 AM, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: On Fri 04 Apr 2014 at 12:57:34 -0400, Stephen Allen wrote: On Thu, Apr 03, 2014 at 06:36:05PM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: [...] Heh. When I joined the debian community, I thought I would be among the older members of the list. Guess not. That almost everyone should sign up for whitelist? Maybe you didn't say that exactly but some people seemed to draw that conclusion. I suggested it as maybe something to consider. You did, but then went on to say - besides everyone should be on the whitelist if posting to the list regularly. [...] As I mentioned, I think it might be instructive to look at the statistics pages referenced at the bottom of https://lists.debian.org/whitelist/. I'm not saying I understand what it's supposed to mean, but it does seem indicative of something. -- Joel Rees Be careful where you see conspiracy. Look first in your own heart.
Re: Users Not Receiving List Mail
On Wed, Apr 02, 2014 at 08:00:09PM +0100, Brian wrote: Electronic mail is rapidly becoming a toy communication system. How many people would tolerate their usual postal services (Royal Mail in my case) making any decision whatsoever about what they could send or receive? The question is partly rhetorical but if anyone can formulate a response which does not express a fear of spam there are bonus points to be gained. :) You can't send money through the post, but I guess that isn't the postal services decision, although I suspect they are given the job of policing it, as opposed to sniffer dogs used to detect drugs etc owned by the Drug Squad. The dogs that is, not the drugs. :) -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140404070551.GA26381@tal
Re: Users Not Receiving List Mail
On Friday 04 April 2014 08:05:51 Chris Bannister wrote: You can't send money through the post Since when? An elderly relative used often to do so. (She is dead now, hence the past tense.) Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201404041018.17082.lisi.re...@gmail.com
[OT] Sending money through the post (was ... Re: Users Not Receiving List Mail)
On Fri, Apr 04, 2014 at 10:18:17AM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Friday 04 April 2014 08:05:51 Chris Bannister wrote: You can't send money through the post Since when? An elderly relative used often to do so. (She is dead now, hence the past tense.) Ahh! Should have googled¹ first! :) I was under the impression that the letters were scanned. Our notes have ... (checking a recent $10.00 bill) ... CORRECTION *had* a vertical metalic strip!) which would be picked up by the scanner. I was under the impression you were fined if you were caught. Looks like I've been had, again. Just like when I thought that a Brontosaurus was a dinosaur. :( No bonus points for me. :( ¹ Although, it is a common misconception. But, according to: http://www.leftovercurrency.com/sending-your-currency/sending-money-banknotes-coins-by-mail.html 'In most countries it is perfectly legal to send money in the mail. ... In some countries there are restrictions on sending money in the mail. These countries have laws in place that either forbid sending money through their postal network, or limit it to a maximum amount. If your country is in the list, please consult the applicable laws before sending money in the mail ...' Although I could not see any list. -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140404104154.GC30132@tal
Re: Users Not Receiving List Mail
On Friday 04 April 2014 08:05:51 Chris Bannister wrote: On Wed, Apr 02, 2014 at 08:00:09PM +0100, Brian wrote: Electronic mail is rapidly becoming a toy communication system. How many people would tolerate their usual postal services (Royal Mail in my case) making any decision whatsoever about what they could send or receive? The question is partly rhetorical but if anyone can formulate a response which does not express a fear of spam there are bonus points to be gained. :) You can't send money through the post, quote If you need to send valuables, money or jewellery, you should use Royal Mail Special Delivery Guaranteed™ as this will enable you to claim compensation in the unlikely event of loss or damage. Valuables sent using any other service are not eligible for compensation. /quote From Royal Mail site. Brian specifically referred to Royal Mail. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201404041144.42138.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: Users Not Receiving List Mail
On Fri, 4 Apr 2014 10:18:17 +0100 Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Lisi, On Friday 04 April 2014 08:05:51 Chris Bannister wrote: You can't send money through the post Since when? Lisi, don't forget that different jurisdictions may have different regulations. Having said that, I used to register shareware mostly by sending cash in the form of notes. Many times to the USA, several times to European countries (pre Euro) occasionally to Australia, and IIRC, at least once to New Zealand. -- Regards _ / ) The blindingly obvious is / _)radnever immediately apparent If you ain't sticking your knives in me, you will be eventually Monsoon - Robbie Williams signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Users Not Receiving List Mail
On Thu 03 Apr 2014 at 11:12:57 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: Brian wrote: [snip] Basically - you get the mail we decide you get. Don't complain, it is good for you. So much for freedom of communication. I disagree. Personally part of what I pay my ISP for is competent quality filtering. They do a very good job - I see very little junk mail and have no evidence of having missed a legitimate email due to filtering. It probably helps that the majority of of the ISP's clients appear to be corporate clients of the ISP's parent. If your ISP offered an opt-out/opt-in option on filtering (does it?) then I would get all my mail and could decide for myself what to keep or reject using my own excellent filtering system. If there were no such option we would both be getting what someone else has decided to give us, irrespective of whether the decisions were sane or not. I am certain very few would accept placing such power over communication in the hands of the US Postal Service. Whatever subjective meaning is attached to legitimate, evidence of deleted mail could only come from having a list of such mail - so you would likely never know. Suppose I told you I had sent you a mail on preseeding a day or so ago. Now you have to imagine you had never read the last sentence. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140404120105.gx3...@copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: Not receiving list mail
On Thu, Apr 03, 2014 at 06:36:05PM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: I'm 81yrs, I don't have perfect recall, but in the recent past you went to the trouble of finding an exact reference as to the purpose of the white list and you posted it here, but you apparently did not take the time to read it. Slow down a bit. You'll live longer and give better advice. Well, I'm a little younger but am retired. :) What advice are you referring to exactly? You do know that That almost everyone should sign up for whitelist? Maybe you didn't say that exactly but some people seemed to draw that conclusion. I suggested it as maybe something to consider. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140404165734.GA27016@Jessie
Re: Not receiving list mail
On Fri 04 Apr 2014 at 12:57:34 -0400, Stephen Allen wrote: On Thu, Apr 03, 2014 at 06:36:05PM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: I'm 81yrs, I don't have perfect recall, but in the recent past you went to the trouble of finding an exact reference as to the purpose of the white list and you posted it here, but you apparently did not take the time to read it. Slow down a bit. You'll live longer and give better advice. Well, I'm a little younger but am retired. :) Is there an 'Oldie Badge' to display for some members of this list. It could in an email header: X-oldie-warning: Toothless but still vicious or X-Debian-oldie: My aptitude will outdo yours Even X-oldie-gloat: You're still working? or X-oldie-plea: Work harder. Support my pension What advice are you referring to exactly? You do know that That almost everyone should sign up for whitelist? Maybe you didn't say that exactly but some people seemed to draw that conclusion. I suggested it as maybe something to consider. You did, but then went on to say - besides everyone should be on the whitelist if posting to the list regularly. On the other hand you did help to clear up the question of what the whitelist is for, even eliciting an 'official' answer. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140404174559.gy3...@copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: Not receiving list mail
On Friday 04 April 2014 18:45:59 Brian wrote: Is there an 'Oldie Badge' to display for some members of this list. :-) Perhaps have a female version? A pendant perhaps?? ;-) Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201404042232.05818.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: Not receiving list mail
On Fri, Apr 04, 2014 at 06:45:59PM +0100, Brian wrote: On Fri 04 Apr 2014 at 12:57:34 -0400, Stephen Allen wrote: On Thu, Apr 03, 2014 at 06:36:05PM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: I'm 81yrs, I don't have perfect recall, but in the recent past you went to the trouble of finding an exact reference as to the purpose of the white list and you posted it here, but you apparently did not take the time to read it. Slow down a bit. You'll live longer and give better advice. Well, I'm a little younger but am retired. :) Is there an 'Oldie Badge' to display for some members of this list. It could in an email header: X-oldie-warning: Toothless but still vicious or X-Debian-oldie: My aptitude will outdo yours I like that one. :-D Even X-oldie-gloat: You're still working? or X-oldie-plea: Work harder. Support my pension What advice are you referring to exactly? You do know that That almost everyone should sign up for whitelist? Maybe you didn't say that exactly but some people seemed to draw that conclusion. I suggested it as maybe something to consider. You did, but then went on to say - besides everyone should be on the whitelist if posting to the list regularly. OK. That had been what I was told some time ago. Just took it at face value without checking. So our 80 year old friend has good memory. On the other hand you did help to clear up the question of what the whitelist is for, even eliciting an 'official' answer. I noticed that ... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140405021304.GB32650@Jessie
Re: Not receiving list mail
On Wed, 2 Apr 2014 20:18:11 -0400 Stephen Allen marathon.duran...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Stephen, hurt - besides everyone should be on the whitelist if posting to the list regularly. Form what I understand, you only need to be whitelisted at Debian if you are *not* subscribed to a list, but wish to post to it. AIUI, it serves no other purpose. -- Regards _ / ) The blindingly obvious is / _)radnever immediately apparent Looking for something I can call my own Chairman Of The Bored - Crass signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Users Not Receiving List Mail
On Wed, Apr 02, 2014 at 08:32:01PM +0100, Brian wrote: Basically - you get the mail we decide you get. Don't complain, it is good for you. So much for freedom of communication. You are entirely free to run your own mailserver. (Not a snark: that's exactly what I do). I used to be a co-administrator for the mail gateways at a large English University. In common with most Universities, email was an essential part of core business. That business would be hugely adversely impacted if we did not filter mail. Something like 95% of incoming mail was rejected. Many tests and research experiments were carried out on rejections to test false positives, false negatives, etc. and this was not an egregious amount of rejection. -- Jonathan Dowland -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140403063304.gb18...@bryant.redmars.org
Re: Users Not Receiving List Mail
On Thu 03 Apr 2014 at 07:33:04 +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote: On Wed, Apr 02, 2014 at 08:32:01PM +0100, Brian wrote: Basically - you get the mail we decide you get. Don't complain, it is good for you. So much for freedom of communication. You are entirely free to run your own mailserver. (Not a snark: that's exactly what I do). I do the same but for historical reasons and to some extent convenience collect some of my mail from my ISP. I used to be a co-administrator for the mail gateways at a large English University. In common with most Universities, email was an essential part of core business. That business would be hugely adversely impacted if we did not filter mail. Something like 95% of incoming mail was rejected. Many tests and research experiments were carried out on rejections to test false positives, false negatives, etc. and this was not an egregious amount of rejection. I'm not without sympathy or understanding for the situation you describe and recognise that a good deal of high quality professional care is devoted to the handling of mail. We see the same in the manner this list is managed. However, the relationship with an ISP is usually a different one in that money has changed hands. Because of that I'd expect my mail not to be interfered with. Unfortunately, too many ISPs are not particularly forthcoming on how incoming mail is dealt with and very often offer no way of escaping filtering. Anyway, enough of that; I've taken the thread too far away from its original purpose. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140403080546.gv3...@copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: Not receiving list mail
On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 3:04 PM, Brad Rogers b...@fineby.me.uk wrote: On Wed, 2 Apr 2014 20:18:11 -0400 Stephen Allen marathon.duran...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Stephen, hurt - besides everyone should be on the whitelist if posting to the list regularly. Form what I understand, you only need to be whitelisted at Debian if you are *not* subscribed to a list, but wish to post to it. AIUI, it serves no other purpose. FWIW, you might find the statistics link and the graph of registration informative. -- Joel Rees Be careful where you see conspiracy. Look first in your own heart.
Re: Users Not Receiving List Mail
Brian wrote: [snip] Basically - you get the mail we decide you get. Don't complain, it is good for you. So much for freedom of communication. I disagree. Personally part of what I pay my ISP for is competent quality filtering. They do a very good job - I see very little junk mail and have no evidence of having missed a legitimate email due to filtering. It probably helps that the majority of of the ISP's clients appear to be corporate clients of the ISP's parent. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/533d8889.7050...@cloud85.net
Re: Not receiving list mail
On Thu, 03 Apr 2014, Brad Rogers wrote: Form what I understand, you only need to be whitelisted at Debian if you are *not* subscribed to a list, but wish to post to it. AIUI, it serves no other purpose. That is correct. We use it only to avoid false positives. -- Don Armstrong http://www.donarmstrong.com [The] JK-88 [coffee] percolator is capable of achieving the ultimate balance of aroma and density, aftertaste and emollience, pentosans and tannins. The next step is to reduce the cost of the HPLC-E technology to the point where it can be manufactured for less than the cost of a Boeing 757. -- Charles Stross Extracts from the Club Diary in _Toast_ p83-4 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140403183239.gg3...@rzlab.ucr.edu
Re: Not receiving list mail
On Wed, Apr 02, 2014 at 10:27:02PM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: Read the description at Debian.org. I don't get my ideas about why it is there from hearsay. I didn't know about it until you mentioned it. I looked for it today and report what I found. Seriously, you would expect people that don't post regularly to subscribe to a whitelist - Dream on. How would they even know it exists? I don't have any expectation or knowledge about how it is actually used. I do think that somebody more central to the Debian community than I, did have the expectation that is stated on the web site. I remember when software market gurus believed that open or free software was a crazy idea that never would be useful. Maybe it is still not useful for some people, but I don't think that view is held by many of the people who frequent this list. Part of Debian is an avowed goal of Changing the World. Straightforward statements of this can also be found on Debian.org IMHO, you are mistaken in your assessment of the internal workings of Debian, and it colors the advice that you give. My paraphrase of what is said was only for the purpose of informing of what I had found. I hope you and others will find it, read it, and try to understand where it fits in the Debian scheme of things. I've been here (not always participating) over 12 years, so I think I know how things work somewhat. If you had been paying attention - you would have noticed that it was mentioned that at one time yours truly had been told to use said whitelist by one of one of those close to the Debian community. Now perhaps they were mistaken, all I'm saying is what I was told. What advice are you referring to exactly? You do know that participication in the Debian community is often controversial at times, and when did I ever comment on the Internal workings of Debian? I do lurk on the developers list, but don't believe I've ever commented on the workings internally Even with the amusing at times systemd discourse. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140403225721.GB8047@Jessie
Re: Not receiving list mail
On 20140403_1857-0400, Stephen Allen wrote: On Wed, Apr 02, 2014 at 10:27:02PM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: Read the description at Debian.org. I don't get my ideas about why it is there from hearsay. I didn't know about it until you mentioned it. I looked for it today and report what I found. Seriously, you would expect people that don't post regularly to subscribe to a whitelist - Dream on. How would they even know it exists? I don't have any expectation or knowledge about how it is actually used. I do think that somebody more central to the Debian community than I, did have the expectation that is stated on the web site. I remember when software market gurus believed that open or free software was a crazy idea that never would be useful. Maybe it is still not useful for some people, but I don't think that view is held by many of the people who frequent this list. Part of Debian is an avowed goal of Changing the World. Straightforward statements of this can also be found on Debian.org IMHO, you are mistaken in your assessment of the internal workings of Debian, and it colors the advice that you give. My paraphrase of what is said was only for the purpose of informing of what I had found. I hope you and others will find it, read it, and try to understand where it fits in the Debian scheme of things. I've been here (not always participating) over 12 years, so I think I know how things work somewhat. If you had been paying attention - you would have noticed that it was mentioned that at one time yours truly had been told to use said whitelist by one of one of those close to the Debian community. Now perhaps they were mistaken, all I'm saying is what I was told. I'm 81yrs, I don't have perfect recall, but in the recent past you went to the trouble of finding an exact reference as to the purpose of the white list and you posted it here, but you apparently did not take the time to read it. Slow down a bit. You'll live longer and give better advice. What advice are you referring to exactly? You do know that That almost everyone should sign up for whitelist? Maybe you didn't say that exactly but some people seemed to draw that conclusion. Peace. -- Paul E Condon pecon...@mesanetworks.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140404003605.ga3...@pec.lan.gnu
Not receiving list mail
I have not received any list mailings since 30 March. I see there are at least two other people reporting the same problem. I doubt my ISP is blocking anything as they don't even seem to be able to prevent their internal communications from being broadcast to normal users. Is there any way to troubleshoot this issue? I created a gmail account and subscribed to the list there, and that is working fine. I sent an email from it to this account, and it came through. I can always stick with gmail if I need to, but I would rather stick with this account if possible. Thanks, Craig -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140402135454.ga30...@prod1.getsouthern.com
Re: Not receiving list mail
On Wed, 2 Apr 2014 08:54:54 -0500 Craig L. cr...@gtek.biz wrote: I have not received any list mailings since 30 March. I see there are at least two other people reporting the same problem. I doubt my ISP is blocking anything as they don't even seem to be able to prevent their internal communications from being broadcast to normal users. Is there any way to troubleshoot this issue? I created a gmail account and subscribed to the list there, and that is working fine. I sent an email from it to this account, and it came through. I can always stick with gmail if I need to, but I would rather stick with this account if possible. Thanks, Craig Indeed does seem to be an issue. Cc'ed the listmaster, perhaps they can clue us in. -- Earl Wiener, 55, a University of Miami professor of management science, telling the Airline Pilots Association (in jest) about 21st century aircraft: The crew will consist of one pilot and a dog. The pilot will nurture and feed the dog. The dog will be there to bite the pilot if he touches anything. -- Fortune, Sept. 26, 1988 [the *magazine*, silly!] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140402093016.6f52e...@mrqueue.com
Re: Not receiving list mail
On Wed, 02 Apr 2014, Mr Queue wrote: On Wed, 2 Apr 2014 08:54:54 -0500 Craig L. cr...@gtek.biz wrote: I have not received any list mailings since 30 March. I see there are at least two other people reporting the same problem. I doubt my ISP is blocking anything as they don't even seem to be able to prevent their internal communications from being broadcast to normal users. Is there any way to troubleshoot this issue? I created a gmail account and subscribed to the list there, and that is working fine. I sent an email from it to this account, and it came through. I can always stick with gmail if I need to, but I would rather stick with this account if possible. Thanks, Craig Indeed does seem to be an issue. Cc'ed the listmaster, perhaps they can clue us in. Unfortunatly clairvoyance is no requirement for being a listmaster. Without some details, like the subscribed mailaddress, the list, maybe a timestamp. We won't be able to say anything. Alex - Debian Listmaster -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140402143232.gb30...@lisa.snow-crash.org
Users Not Receiving List Mail
Unfortunately this mailing list has been listed with senderscore and it would appear the affected users IPS's are utilizing this service. The listmaster has requested to be delisted but it may take some time for them to process the request. https://www.senderscore.org/ -- Before borrowing money from a friend, decide which you need more. -- Addison H. Hallock -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140402104720.3e728...@mrqueue.com
Re: Not receiving list mail
On Wed, Apr 02, 2014 at 04:32:33PM +0200, Alexander Wirt wrote: On Wed, 02 Apr 2014, Mr Queue wrote: On Wed, 2 Apr 2014 08:54:54 -0500 Craig L. cr...@gtek.biz wrote: I have not received any list mailings since 30 March. I see there are at least two other people reporting the same problem. I doubt my ISP is blocking anything as they don't even seem to be able to prevent their internal communications from being broadcast to normal users. Is there any way to troubleshoot this issue? I created a gmail account and subscribed to the list there, and that is working fine. I sent an email from it to this account, and it came through. I can always stick with gmail if I need to, but I would rather stick with this account if possible. Thanks, Craig Indeed does seem to be an issue. Cc'ed the listmaster, perhaps they can clue us in. Unfortunatly clairvoyance is no requirement for being a listmaster. Without some details, like the subscribed mailaddress, the list, maybe a timestamp. We won't be able to say anything. Alex - Debian Listmaster Yes Alex, I agree and I apologize for the dearth of information on my part. My address is craig @ gtek. biz (spaces intentional), and I am only subscribed to the debian-user list. Unfortunately I can only give a broad idea of time. I had sent a message asking for help with a “Hash Sum mismatch problem” on 29 March at 11:10 -0500. I received a reply and replied to it a couple of hours later, at 13:18 -0500. I know I received a few list emails after that, but I wasn't able to provide anything useful to those so I deleted them. This is all on my main system using mutt. On Sunday morning (30 March), after having not received anything since the afternoon before I logged into the email web interface to see if there was anything there. Nothing new, and I cleaned that inbox out as well. This reply is directly to you since you must have CC'd me in to your reply. I have also CC'd the list. I hope that is acceptable. So the best I can tell you, timeframe-wise, is that the last message received would have come in probably early evening CDT, say around midnight GMT. That being said, I see Mr Queue has reported that the mailing list has been listed with senderscore. Hopefully that will get the issue resolved, but I am willing to do anything to help, with one caveat. I am at work right now so I may be a bit slow in responding. Thanks! Craig -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140402171333.gb30...@prod1.getsouthern.com
Re: Users Not Receiving List Mail
On Wed, Apr 02, 2014 at 10:47:20AM -0500, Mr Queue wrote: Unfortunately this mailing list has been listed with senderscore and it would appear the affected users IPS's are utilizing this service. The listmaster has requested to be delisted but it may take some time for them to process the request. https://www.senderscore.org/ Thanks for the update, and CC'ing me in so I got it. Regards -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140402171615.gc30...@prod1.getsouthern.com
Re: Not receiving list mail
On Wed, Apr 02, 2014 at 08:54:54AM -0500, Craig L. wrote: I have not received any list mailings since 30 March. I see there are at least two other people reporting the same problem. I doubt my ISP is blocking anything as they don't even seem to be able to prevent their internal communications from being broadcast to normal users. Is there any way to troubleshoot this issue? I created a gmail account and subscribed to the list there, and that is working fine. I sent an email from it to this account, and it came through. I can always stick with gmail if I need to, but I would rather stick with this account if possible. Thanks, Craig ---end quoted text--- Wonder if the folks having trouble have added their email to the Debian Email Whitelist? https://lists.debian.org/whitelist/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140402185921.GD9273@Jessie
Re: Users Not Receiving List Mail
On Wed 02 Apr 2014 at 10:47:20 -0500, Mr Queue wrote: Unfortunately this mailing list has been listed with senderscore and How does one determine that? it would appear the affected users IPS's are utilizing this service. How does one determine that? The listmaster has requested to be delisted but it may take some time for them to process the request. https://www.senderscore.org/ Electronic mail is rapidly becoming a toy communication system. How many people would tolerate their usual postal services (Royal Mail in my case) making any decision whatsoever about what they could send or receive? The question is partly rhetorical but if anyone can formulate a response which does not express a fear of spam there are bonus points to be gained. :) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140402190009.gt3...@copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: Not receiving list mail
On Wed 02 Apr 2014 at 14:59:21 -0400, Stephen Allen wrote: Wonder if the folks having trouble have added their email to the Debian Email Whitelist? https://lists.debian.org/whitelist/ What does that do for them? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/02042014200646.3818212cd...@desktop.copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: Users Not Receiving List Mail
On Wed, 2 Apr 2014 20:00:09 +0100 Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: How does one determine that? The server logs: hans.ullr...@loop.de... H:RPBL [82.195.75.100] Connection refused due to abuse. Please contact your E-mail provider. (in reply to RCPT TO command)) ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net... H:RPBL [82.195.75.100] Connection refused due to abuse. Please contact your E-mail provider. (in reply to RCPT TO command)) $ host 82.195.75.100 100.75.195.82.in-addr.arpa is an alias for 100.64-26.75.195.82.in-addr.arpa. 100.64-26.75.195.82.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer bendel.debian.org. This is exactly how mail systems work and large providers are in constant contact with each other and have staff to deal with getting their gateway IP's off these fun fun fun blacklists. http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/03/when-spammers-go-to-war-behind-the-spamhaus-ddos/ -- Enzymes are things invented by biologists that explain things which otherwise require harder thinking. -- Jerome Lettvin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140402141256.37a47...@mrqueue.com
Re: Users Not Receiving List Mail
On Wed 02 Apr 2014 at 14:12:56 -0500, Mr Queue wrote: On Wed, 2 Apr 2014 20:00:09 +0100 Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: How does one determine that? The server logs: hans.ullr...@loop.de... H:RPBL [82.195.75.100] Connection refused due to abuse. Please contact your E-mail provider. (in reply to RCPT TO command)) ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net... H:RPBL [82.195.75.100] Connection refused due to abuse. Please contact your E-mail provider. (in reply to RCPT TO command)) $ host 82.195.75.100 100.75.195.82.in-addr.arpa is an alias for 100.64-26.75.195.82.in-addr.arpa. 100.64-26.75.195.82.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer bendel.debian.org. Thank you. This is exactly how mail systems work and large providers are in constant contact with each other and have staff to deal with getting their gateway IP's off these fun fun fun blacklists. Basically - you get the mail we decide you get. Don't complain, it is good for you. So much for freedom of communication. http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/03/when-spammers-go-to-war-behind-the-spamhaus-ddos/ No bonus points, I'm afraid. :) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/02042014202552.1eece0f9e...@desktop.copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: Not receiving list mail
On 20140402_145921, Stephen Allen wrote: On Wed, Apr 02, 2014 at 08:54:54AM -0500, Craig L. wrote: I have not received any list mailings since 30 March. I see there are at least two other people reporting the same problem. I doubt my ISP is blocking anything as they don't even seem to be able to prevent their internal communications from being broadcast to normal users. Is there any way to troubleshoot this issue? I created a gmail account and subscribed to the list there, and that is working fine. I sent an email from it to this account, and it came through. I can always stick with gmail if I need to, but I would rather stick with this account if possible. Thanks, Craig ---end quoted text--- Wonder if the folks having trouble have added their email to the Debian Email Whitelist? https://lists.debian.org/whitelist/ This is intended for use by people who don't want to subscribe of a real debian list e.g. this one because they don't want all this chatter cluttering up the inbox. But still they want to ask a question and have it posted without jumping thru hoops. It is not at all related to people who have subscribed, or believe they have subscribed, IMHO. -- Paul E Condon pecon...@mesanetworks.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140402202705.ga20...@pec.lan.gnu
Re: Users Not Receiving List Mail
Can't resist the opportunity to editorialize and say things that are easy to take out of context, but, ... On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 4:00 AM, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: On Wed 02 Apr 2014 at 10:47:20 -0500, Mr Queue wrote: Unfortunately this mailing list has been listed with senderscore and How does one determine that? it would appear the affected users IPS's are utilizing this service. How does one determine that? As Mr. Queue (Cool user name!) points out, headers, for all that they can be forged pretty easily, contain useful information. The listmaster has requested to be delisted but it may take some time for them to process the request. https://www.senderscore.org/ Electronic mail is rapidly becoming a toy communication system. What? Didn't you know? It was a toy communication system from the start. ((:-/) Uhm, okay. it wasn't really a toy system. But it wasn't really meant for general use when Bill Gates and Microsoft decided to co-opt it (speaking in polite terms). How many people would tolerate their usual postal services (Royal Mail in my case) making any decision whatsoever about what they could send or receive? The above was not to disparage Postel or the rest of the extant IETF, but the current internet, in all its glory, was designed to be used by people who understood their tools, who understood the social and economic impact of the uses that could be made of them, and had enough self-interest to refrain from certain kinds of abuses. It was not originally designed to be used by people who aren't interested in how it works or don't care what damage they cause. Bill Gates and the extent Microsoft decided they had to break the (somewhat implicit) rules to avoid being slaughtered on the edge of real technology (as they interpreted losing their effective monopoly), so they jumped on the internet before it was ready for general use. By general use, I mean, by people who don't understand, who don't want to understand, are too busy or too scared of technology to understand, and/or don't care. Having said that, I am sanguine to the principle that there are reasons for apathy that are not apathetic. The question is partly rhetorical but if anyone can formulate a response which does not express a fear of spam there are bonus points to be gained. :) I personally still use the calibrated eyeball to filter the unsolicited mail out of one of my primary mail accounts -- about a thousand messages a week, takes me about fifteen minutes, twice a week because I've learned how to use the sorting options and recognize certain patterns in the usually visible headers. It did take me a couple of hours several times a week when I first started to get that volume. Anyway, the internet of the 1990s should be viewed as infrastructure technology. We are busy trying to extend that technology instead of layering proper services on top of it for the non-'l33t, because none of the current crop of service providers understand the real meaning of service. (And partly because many of the 'l33t don't really understand the implications of what they are doing, or, in some cases, don't care what happens to anyone else, or what happens to themselves tomorrow. Today's glory seems to be enough.) So, yeah, what I'm saying is that if you want a real, general-purpose electronic mail system, you're going to have to help invent it. In the meantime, we have to live with a lot of clunkiness. Is that what you wanted to hear? -- Joel Rees Be careful where you see conspiracy. Look first in your own heart.
Re: Not receiving list mail
On Wed, Apr 02, 2014 at 08:08:25PM +0100, Brian wrote: On Wed 02 Apr 2014 at 14:59:21 -0400, Stephen Allen wrote: Wonder if the folks having trouble have added their email to the Debian Email Whitelist? https://lists.debian.org/whitelist/ What does that do for them? Considering that the reason is unknown,(why they aren't getting email) it can't hurt - besides everyone should be on the whitelist if posting to the list regularly. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140403001811.GB12049@Jessie
Re: Not receiving list mail
On Wed, Apr 02, 2014 at 02:27:05PM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: On 20140402_145921, Stephen Allen wrote: On Wed, Apr 02, 2014 at 08:54:54AM -0500, Craig L. wrote: I have not received any list mailings since 30 March. I see there are at least two other people reporting the same problem. I doubt my ISP is blocking anything as they don't even seem to be able to prevent their internal communications from being broadcast to normal users. Is there any way to troubleshoot this issue? I created a gmail account and subscribed to the list there, and that is working fine. I sent an email from it to this account, and it came through. I can always stick with gmail if I need to, but I would rather stick with this account if possible. Thanks, Craig ---end quoted text--- Wonder if the folks having trouble have added their email to the Debian Email Whitelist? https://lists.debian.org/whitelist/ This is intended for use by people who don't want to subscribe of a real debian list e.g. this one because they don't want all this chatter cluttering up the inbox. But still they want to ask a question and have it posted without jumping thru hoops. It is not at all related to people who have subscribed, or believe they have subscribed, IMHO. That wasn't my understanding when it was recommended to me some time back. Seriously, you would expect people that don't post regularly to subscribe to a whitelist - Dream on. How would they even know it exists? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140403002040.GC12049@Jessie
Re: Not receiving list mail
On 4/2/14, Stephen Allen marathon.duran...@gmail.com wrote: Considering that the reason is unknown,(why they aren't getting email) it can't hurt - besides everyone should be on the whitelist if posting to the list regularly. Ok, that's about the first time that part started to click. I was in there with the crowd asking... how will that help the ones not getting email. Where it MIGHT help ultimately/eventually is in OTHER people's inboxes *maybe* which in turn *might* influence that many more emails not being bounced by email providers. That in turn means less to no potential auto-unsubscriptions down the road. In reading these, a coincidence just earlier was I had to resubscribe to the GSOC list. It got a bounce back from Gmail, I guess.. If it's a percentage deal as to why I was automatically unsubscribed by GSOC, the bounced back percentage is going to appear A LOT higher on a list that has maybe two, three emails a day right now versus one that receives however many Debian-User experiences BUT I received an email alerting that I had been unsubscribed and that I had to take action to re-subscribe.. It's not sounding like anyone received a notice in these cases here Yes, no? * wandering off to sign up for the whitelist (hm, probably should have done that FIRST) * Cindy :) -- Cindy-Sue Causey Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA * runs with duct tape * -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAO1P-kDcNxSKo9EB5mtrYw=mbzkxwavrauhug-wh91dsznz...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Not receiving list mail
On 20140402_202040, Stephen Allen wrote: On Wed, Apr 02, 2014 at 02:27:05PM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: On 20140402_145921, Stephen Allen wrote: On Wed, Apr 02, 2014 at 08:54:54AM -0500, Craig L. wrote: I have not received any list mailings since 30 March. I see there are at least two other people reporting the same problem. I doubt my ISP is blocking anything as they don't even seem to be able to prevent their internal communications from being broadcast to normal users. Is there any way to troubleshoot this issue? I created a gmail account and subscribed to the list there, and that is working fine. I sent an email from it to this account, and it came through. I can always stick with gmail if I need to, but I would rather stick with this account if possible. Thanks, Craig ---end quoted text--- Wonder if the folks having trouble have added their email to the Debian Email Whitelist? https://lists.debian.org/whitelist/ This is intended for use by people who don't want to subscribe of a real debian list e.g. this one because they don't want all this chatter cluttering up the inbox. But still they want to ask a question and have it posted without jumping thru hoops. It is not at all related to people who have subscribed, or believe they have subscribed, IMHO. That wasn't my understanding when it was recommended to me some time back. Read the description at Debian.org. I don't get my ideas about why it is there from hearsay. I didn't know about it until you mentioned it. I looked for it today and report what I found. Seriously, you would expect people that don't post regularly to subscribe to a whitelist - Dream on. How would they even know it exists? I don't have any expectation or knowledge about how it is actually used. I do think that somebody more central to the Debian community than I, did have the expectation that is stated on the web site. I remember when software market gurus believed that open or free software was a crazy idea that never would be useful. Maybe it is still not useful for some people, but I don't think that view is held by many of the people who frequent this list. Part of Debian is an avowed goal of Changing the World. Straightforward statements of this can also be found on Debian.org IMHO, you are mistaken in your assessment of the internal workings of Debian, and it colors the advice that you give. My paraphrase of what is said was only for the purpose of informing of what I had found. I hope you and others will find it, read it, and try to understand where it fits in the Debian scheme of things. Peace, -- Paul E Condon pecon...@mesanetworks.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140403042702.gb21...@pec.lan.gnu
Re: Reporting List Mail As SPAM
On Tue, 2009-09-01 at 22:06 -0400, Tim Tebbit wrote: Chris Jones wrote: Maybe debian lists should make it a requirement that you do not subscribe from a gmail account..? CJ I don't see that happening anytime soon. gmail for what? gmx? yahoo? hotmail? If you're using webmail, you don't need mailing lists. You're asking a lightweight tool to do a full blown mail reader's job: Of course it's going to suck for mailing list use. But why even subscribe to the mailing list if you use webmail when you can use gmane.org's NNTP feed more effectively? signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Reporting List Mail As SPAM
On Wed,02.Sep.09, 00:15:39, Chris Jones wrote: Well actually, my gmail spam filter seems to be a lot better at keeping me safe from OSS mailing lists than kindly offers of medical assistance. As I mentioned earlier, their filters are pretty smart and appear to behave differently for different subscribers.. You could try teaching the filter. Just go to the spam folder and mark list mail as Not spam. Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Reporting List Mail As SPAM
On Tue,01.Sep.09, 22:06:35, Tim Tebbit wrote: Chris Jones wrote: Maybe debian lists should make it a requirement that you do not subscribe from a gmail account..? I don't see that happening anytime soon. gmail for what? gmx? yahoo? hotmail? None of those providers has a mailing list friendly webmail[1]. GMX comes closest, but they have no way to send plain text mail :( They do however have excelent POP3 and IMAP support which is why I'm using their services. Googlegroups is a better option than gmail (if you customize the view to show tree-threads and use fixed fonts for reading), but if you were to try another web interface you should checkout gmane first. [1] I haven't tested hotmail myself, but the reports weren't encouraging Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Reporting List Mail As SPAM
On Wed, Sep 02, 2009 at 02:08:00AM EDT, Andrei Popescu wrote: On Wed,02.Sep.09, 00:15:39, Chris Jones wrote: Well actually, my gmail spam filter seems to be a lot better at keeping me safe from OSS mailing lists than kindly offers of medical assistance. As I mentioned earlier, their filters are pretty smart and appear to behave differently for different subscribers.. You could try teaching the filter. Just go to the spam folder and mark list mail as Not spam. I'm not gettin paid for doing QA on gmail. The trouble is that many gmail capabilities are only accessible in the standard view, which for some reason, with semonkey as the browser sends my CPU utilization to about 300%. But thanks for reminding me that even with gmail there is a smarter way. CJ. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Reporting List Mail As SPAM
I think someone is reporting valid list mail as SPAM. I got notified today that one of the mails I sent to the list was identified as SPAM. The Return- Path on the message was: bounce-debian- user=harvenahump=gmail@lists.debian.org; the Message-Id was munged; the SpamCop URL is: http://www.spamcop.net/w3m?i=z4510524490z944ad5f71881aa403cc76c2f0dc142e7z How can I help prevent (or reduce the impact of) mis-reporting list mail as SPAM? -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/\_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Reporting List Mail As SPAM
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 1:53 PM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.b...@iguanasuicide.net wrote: I think someone is reporting valid list mail as SPAM. I got notified today that one of the mails I sent to the list was identified as SPAM. The Return- Path on the message was: bounce-debian- user=harvenahump=gmail@lists.debian.org; the Message-Id was munged; the SpamCop URL is: http://www.spamcop.net/w3m?i=z4510524490z944ad5f71881aa403cc76c2f0dc142e7z How can I help prevent (or reduce the impact of) mis-reporting list mail as SPAM? FYI -- The above message was spammed by gmail (I know, I know . . . another reason to hate gmail.) I suspect I get most of your posts. I don't know why this one was marked as spam. Guess: spam was in the subject. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/ \_/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Reporting List Mail As SPAM
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 3:03 PM, Neal Hogannealho...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 1:53 PM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.b...@iguanasuicide.net wrote: I think someone is reporting valid list mail as SPAM. I got notified today that one of the mails I sent to the list was identified as SPAM. The Return- Path on the message was: bounce-debian- user=harvenahump=gmail@lists.debian.org; the Message-Id was munged; the SpamCop URL is: http://www.spamcop.net/w3m?i=z4510524490z944ad5f71881aa403cc76c2f0dc142e7z How can I help prevent (or reduce the impact of) mis-reporting list mail as SPAM? FYI -- The above message was spammed by gmail (I know, I know . . . another reason to hate gmail.) I suspect I get most of your posts. I don't know why this one was marked as spam. Guess: spam was in the subject. It wasn't marked as spam here; neither was the reply. Patrick -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Reporting List Mail As SPAM
On Tuesday 01 September 2009 20:15:38 Patrick Wiseman wrote: On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 3:03 PM, Neal Hogannealho...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 1:53 PM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.b...@iguanasuicide.net wrote: I think someone is reporting valid list mail as SPAM. I got notified today that one of the mails I sent to the list was identified as SPAM. The Return- Path on the message was: bounce-debian- user=harvenahump=gmail@lists.debian.org; the Message-Id was munged; the SpamCop URL is: http://www.spamcop.net/w3m?i=z4510524490z944ad5f71881aa403cc76c2f0dc142 e7z How can I help prevent (or reduce the impact of) mis-reporting list mail as SPAM? FYI -- The above message was spammed by gmail (I know, I know . . . another reason to hate gmail.) I suspect I get most of your posts. I don't know why this one was marked as spam. Guess: spam was in the subject. It wasn't marked as spam here; neither was the reply. Nor here - and I use Gmail (via POP3, but still Gmail). Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Reporting List Mail As SPAM
On Tue, Sep 01, 2009 at 05:45:55PM EDT, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Tuesday 01 September 2009 20:15:38 Patrick Wiseman wrote: On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 3:03 PM, Neal Hogannealho...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 1:53 PM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.b...@iguanasuicide.net wrote: I think someone is reporting valid list mail as SPAM. I got notified today that one of the mails I sent to the list was identified as SPAM. The Return- Path on the message was: bounce-debian- user=harvenahump=gmail@lists.debian.org; the Message-Id was munged; the SpamCop URL is: http://www.spamcop.net/w3m?i=z4510524490z944ad5f71881aa403cc76c2f0dc142 e7z How can I help prevent (or reduce the impact of) mis-reporting list mail as SPAM? FYI -- The above message was spammed by gmail (I know, I know . . . another reason to hate gmail.) I suspect I get most of your posts. I don't know why this one was marked as spam. Guess: spam was in the subject. It wasn't marked as spam here; neither was the reply. Nor here - and I use Gmail (via POP3, but still Gmail). Hmm.. if I understand correctly, and assuming gmail has anything to do with it.. it would only take _one_ particular user's gmail spam filter settings to reject it as spam - and report it - for this to have happened. Maybe depending on Google's idea or your interests, profile, etc., their spam filter might be different than mine and one day determine that you were spamming, or even as recently happened to me forging your own From: address.. :-) I recently subscribed to a mailing list from a gmail account and found a couple days later that more than half of the list's traffic, including my own posts.. ended up in the google account's Spam folder - and as a result never materialized on my system. As far as I know, gmail's spam filter doesn't have any settings you could customize, so I disabled it. Obviously, this is not going to help much if the OP's problem was indeed caused by someone-somewhere's google spam filter. CJ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Reporting List Mail As SPAM
On Tue, 01 Sep 2009 18:48:03 -0400 Chris Jones cjns1...@gmail.com wrote: As far as I know, gmail's spam filter doesn't have any settings you could customize, so I disabled it. You can set a filter so that any post on this list isn't sent to the spam folder. It's easy to do if you go into the webmail, select a message from this list, then click on the show details link, where you'll find you can make a filter and stop it going to spam. Below is the filter I made for this list on Gmail: Matches: list:debian-user.lists.debian.org Do this: Never send it to Spam Graham -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Reporting List Mail As SPAM
On Tue, Sep 01, 2009 at 08:40:02PM EDT, Graham wrote: On Tue, 01 Sep 2009 18:48:03 -0400 Chris Jones cjns1...@gmail.com wrote: As far as I know, gmail's spam filter doesn't have any settings you could customize, so I disabled it. You can set a filter so that any post on this list isn't sent to the spam folder. It's easy to do if you go into the webmail, select a message from this list, then click on the show details link, where you'll find you can make a filter and stop it going to spam. Below is the filter I made for this list on Gmail: Matches: list:debian-user.lists.debian.org Do this: Never send it to Spam Sure, but if I understand correctly, it would mean that all subscribers to the list that have a gmail account do likewise so the OP's post does not risk the infamy of being reported as spam. Maybe debian lists should make it a requirement that you do not subscribe from a gmail account..? CJ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Reporting List Mail As SPAM
Chris Jones wrote: Maybe debian lists should make it a requirement that you do not subscribe from a gmail account..? CJ I don't see that happening anytime soon. gmail for what? gmx? yahoo? hotmail? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Reporting List Mail As SPAM
On Tue, Sep 01, 2009 at 10:06:35PM EDT, Tim Tebbit wrote: Chris Jones wrote: Maybe debian lists should make it a requirement that you do not subscribe from a gmail account..? CJ I don't see that happening anytime soon. gmail for what? gmx? yahoo? hotmail? If I remember correctly, when I subscribed to debian-user, I was asked for an email addres. So I entered a throwaway @gmail.com account. So I'm not sure waht gmx or yahoo or hotmail have to do with that.. As to my suggesting banning gmail account holders from debian mailing lists, I was not saying this in earnest. Next time I'll remember to add a couple of smiley's to avoid misunderstandings. CJ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Reporting List Mail As SPAM
On Tue, 01 Sep 2009 21:59:20 -0400 Chris Jones cjns1...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 01, 2009 at 08:40:02PM EDT, Graham wrote: On Tue, 01 Sep 2009 18:48:03 -0400 Chris Jones cjns1...@gmail.com wrote: As far as I know, gmail's spam filter doesn't have any settings you could customize, so I disabled it. You can set a filter so that any post on this list isn't sent to the spam folder. It's easy to do if you go into the webmail, select a message from this list, then click on the show details link, where you'll find you can make a filter and stop it going to spam. Below is the filter I made for this list on Gmail: Matches: list:debian-user.lists.debian.org Do this: Never send it to Spam Sure, but if I understand correctly, it would mean that all subscribers to the list that have a gmail account do likewise so the OP's post does not risk the infamy of being reported as spam. Sorry, I should have also quoted the paragraph above the one I quoted, which said that you disabled your Gmail spam folder because posts on this list were getting diverted to it. I was just pointing out a way for you to override Gmail's zeal in putting posts here in the same place as penis enlargement emails. Graham -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Reporting List Mail As SPAM
On Tue, Sep 01, 2009 at 10:54:41PM EDT, Graham wrote: [..] Sorry, I should have also quoted the paragraph above the one I quoted, which said that you disabled your Gmail spam folder because posts on this list were getting diverted to it. I was just pointing out a way for you to override Gmail's zeal in putting posts here in the same place as penis enlargement emails. Well actually, my gmail spam filter seems to be a lot better at keeping me safe from OSS mailing lists than kindly offers of medical assistance. As I mentioned earlier, their filters are pretty smart and appear to behave differently for different subscribers.. Wonder how they found out I could use some help in that.. particular area, though.. :-) CJ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: poll: managing high volumes of list mail effectively
On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 05:36:04 +0200, martin f krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: also sprach Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004.10.17.0837 +0200]: Gnus can handle all that, Nice to know, but I ain't switchin' operating system. ;^ Additionally, it has an adaptive scoring mechanism, that learns about topics you are interested in, and topics and posters that one rarely reads can progressively get even lower score. Interesting. mutt also features scoring, but I am not sure it's adaptive. How does Gnus do it? Sounds to me somewhat like a Bayesian module, or crm114 built in? Nothing so complicated. In addition to static SCORE files (one per group/mailinglist, where my hand crafted rules (increase author substring permanent) go in), it has a per group/mailinglist ADAPT file as well, where automatically generated rules go. The rules are generated based on actions I take on articles. here are the rules I use for actions (I may read an article, delete it, kill the thread, tick it to mark it persistent, etc). Each action marks the article in some way. For each mark, I specify scores to be added for various headers (usually from , the subject, or followup headers). Sounds complicated, but it isn't really -- I just deal with articles as I would, and slowly Gnus adapts to my likes. manoj ;; for general rules (setq gnus-default-adaptive-score-alist '((gnus-unread-mark) (gnus-ticked-mark (from 256) (subject 512) (followup 1024)) (gnus-dormant-mark (from 512) (subject 1024)) (gnus-del-mark (subject -512)) (gnus-read-mark(from 32)(subject 256)) (gnus-expirable-mark) (gnus-killed-mark (from -64)(subject -512) (followup -1024)) (gnus-kill-file-mark (from -256) (subject -128)) (gnus-ancient-mark) (gnus-low-score-mark) (gnus-catchup-mark (from -32) (subject -256 ;; for subject word scoring (setq gnus-default-adaptive-word-score-alist '((,gnus-read-mark . 300) (,gnus-ticked-mark . 600) (,gnus-dormant-mark . 800) (,gnus-catchup-mark . -100) (,gnus-killed-mark . -200) (,gnus-del-mark . -150))) -- Dijkstra probably hates me. Linus Torvalds, in kernel/sched.c Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.golden-gryphon.com/ 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: poll: managing high volumes of list mail effectively
also sprach Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004.10.17.0837 +0200]: Gnus can handle all that, Nice to know, but I ain't switchin' operating system. ;^ Additionally, it has an adaptive scoring mechanism, that learns about topics you are interested in, and topics and posters that one rarely reads can progressively get even lower score. Interesting. mutt also features scoring, but I am not sure it's adaptive. How does Gnus do it? Sounds to me somewhat like a Bayesian module, or crm114 built in? Nevertheless, I am looking for a solution that is MUA-independent, ideally, since I use webmail and thunderbird on occasions... -- Please do not CC me when replying to lists; I read them! .''`. martin f. krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' :proud Debian developer, admin, and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system Invalid/expired PGP subkeys? Use subkeys.pgp.net as keyserver! signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: poll: managing high volumes of list mail effectively
On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 17:01:59 +0200, martin f krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I am subscribed to 237 mailing lists and even though my tools are adequate, I still consider them suboptimal since I just hit 'delete' on most threads. I have a server receive all my mail and procmail it into topic folders. From there, five clients use offlineimap to keep a synchronised copy of the entire collection for use with mutt, and I also use webmail occasionally. Gnus can handle all that, Additionally, it has an adaptive scoring mechanism, that learns about topics you are interested in, and topics and posters that one rarely reads can progressively get even lower score. Additionally, emails in a mailing list can be threaded, and threads listed in score order, so the most interesting threads are up front. I read all my mailing lists, as well as my USENET news, using Gnus. (and VM for important messages, but that is mostly historical preference). manoj -- Laughing at you is like drop kicking a wounded humming bird. Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.golden-gryphon.com/ 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
poll: managing high volumes of list mail effectively
I am subscribed to 237 mailing lists and even though my tools are adequate, I still consider them suboptimal since I just hit 'delete' on most threads. I have a server receive all my mail and procmail it into topic folders. From there, five clients use offlineimap to keep a synchronised copy of the entire collection for use with mutt, and I also use webmail occasionally. Ideally, I would like to be able to tag threads as 'ignored' and have them disappear and never show up again. I am currently playing with the thought of setting up some sort of shell script on the server that can take a criteria specification and turn it into a procmail filter to ensure that any further messages matching the criteria are sent to the void gap. On the client I would then use another shell script to create the criteria specification after being invoked on a message through a mutt keybinding, and pipe it via SSH to the server. However, the whole solution has a hack feel to it, and I think it's going to be very brittle. I am also not sure how to create the criteria. Using the subject does not really work reliably because of all the whack clients, and similarly for the MsgID/References headers. I am also afraid that I bog down the server if I keep programmatically increasing the ruleset of the procmail memory pig. I guess this could be solved by timing out entries in the ignore table after e.g. 30 days, but that's just another complexity I would love to avoid. Unfortunately, formail's msgid cache seems not to be tweakable to understand the notion of threads. So before I go and implement something to fit my needs, I would love to hear how other people address this challenge. One thought I had was to use an IMAP folder instead of the SSH communication thingie, so that messages can be moved there, get synchronised to the server, where a cron job picks them up and ensures that no related messages make it through procmail. This is trivial to implement as I already use it to train spamassassin and crm114 from the clients. Any input appreciated! -- martin; (greetings from the heart of the sun.) \ echo mailto: !#^.*|tr * mailto:; [EMAIL PROTECTED] invalid/expired pgp subkeys? use subkeys.pgp.net as keyserver! spamtraps: [EMAIL PROTECTED] the vast majority of our imports come from outside the country. - george w. bush signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: poll: managing high volumes of list mail effectively
On Friday 15 October 2004 08:01 am, martin f krafft wrote: I am subscribed to 237 mailing lists and even though my tools are Holy crap! How much time per day do you spend on all that mail? I'm trying to be as efficient as I can with my 19 mailing lists and I still spend too long on them. thanks, brian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: poll: managing high volumes of list mail effectively
also sprach Brian Kimball [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004.10.15.1823 +0200]: I am subscribed to 237 mailing lists and even though my tools are Holy crap! How much time per day do you spend on all that mail? Too much. But as I said, I have good tools. For instance, crm114 and a custom neural-network-driven script weed out all the topics that just don't interest me. So between 50 and 300 list mails make it through to me each day. I am sure this volume is absolutely normal for most people. But hey, this isn't about me, and I realise that I could just unsubscribe from many of the lists. But I won't. -- Please do not CC me when replying to lists; I read them! .''`. martin f. krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' :proud Debian developer, admin, and user `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system Invalid/expired PGP subkeys? Use subkeys.pgp.net as keyserver! signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: USE THREADS, DAMMIT! Re: No list mail
In-reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED] Above's an attempt to use what I just read about in this thread. We'll see how it works, yes? Chris Metzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 21:27:56 -0400 Brian Pack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok... so it looks like going through the web archive is working, but who the hell knows if anybody is going to read it. ... Stuff like this drives me nuts. This is a mailing list of users. debian-*user*. Not developers. Not listmasters. Users. You have a legitimate problem -- you're not getting list mail. Other people here have confirmed the problem by saying that they, too, are not getting mail; and they're on a variety of ISPs. So it sounds like it's a problem with the list. The listmasters administer the list. So it sounds like the listmasters are the people to try and sort this out. Maybe you've tried contacting the listmasters and they've been unresponsive or unhelpful. Fine. But what, exactly, do you expect me to do to help fix the problem? I'm a *user*. I'm not the listmaster. Occasionally, somebody posts about a problem here that I know something about, and can help with. Meanwhile, I ignore problem threads in which I can't contribute anything to help fix the problem. Since I don't administer the list, I don't have anything to contribute to solving your problem. So *of course* I ignore the posts. And when the posts keep on coming, *of course* I killfile the topic. And when people make it hard to do that, *of course* I get annoyed. Chris, I point back to what Carl said earlier about us the users. There are all levels of us out here. My comfort with Debian doesn't come from being a geek and marveling at the beauty of this system, knowing how to massage it to my idea of purring perfection in all aspects of its use. I don't know, nor care to know, every in and out of email's trappings. Mutt does those details for me. If the situation calls for that I will learn it, but not before its time. It is likely that I will forget what I did before very long, too, since I don't hack for a living. It has to do with time management and the rest of my life. I use Debian because I do my work using the apps. available here, because I don't believe in buying Gate's next silver tea spoon. And when I need it, I learn and use the wonderful configurability of the system. And that IS fun when I play. (I really appreciate the work that people put into making Debian what it is.) Why expect the same proficiency level from all people, or make it a shame when they don't possess it? Seemingly more to the original topic: FWIW, there are several reasons to post all this stuff here, whether or not people like seeing it. My own reasons mentioned in my initial post have evolved into a 3rd one--that being trying to pass information out to people BECAUSE the list admin has not responded. I don't know if my mail to that person went into a black hole or not. At least here it is public. Kenward -- In a completely rational society, the best of us would aspire to be _teachers_ and the rest of us would have to settle for something less, because passing civilization along from one generation to the next ought to be the highest honor and the highest responsibility anyone could have. - Lee Iacocca -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: List mail not coming to me either...
In-reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Last (but outside my personal account) is the fact that I have now subscribed to the list through my work, and have yet to receive an email here after the confirmation. Done. Kenward -- .'^~;,_ Dr. Kenward Vaughan`:,'~ Professor of Chemistry \;:/ Bakersfield College|,;| 1801 Panorama Drive / ', \ Bakersfield, CA 93305 / o O \ http://www2.bc.cc.ca.us/kvaughan(oOoOOoOo) ------ ???$$MM$$??? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: List mail not coming to me either...
On Tue, 17 Aug 2004, Kenward Vaughan wrote: Last (but outside my personal account) is the fact that I have now subscribed to the list through my work, and have yet to receive an email here after the confirmation. hrm... not good - wonder why it is somefolk thing, instead of all of us. Please do remember to have some patience, these are trying times for everyone as any and all effort is placed upon getting sarge out the door. I'll see if I can dig up some answers - but I don't have anything other than luser privs anywhere. -- Rick Nelson finlandia:~ apropos win win: nothing appropriate. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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hi ya ken On Tue, 17 Aug 2004, Kenward Vaughan wrote: Last (but outside my personal account) is the fact that I have now subscribed to the list through my work, and have yet to receive an email here after the confirmation. yup.. seems there's less and less deb emails coming in i'm thinking maybe some of deb's servers inadvertently went into a blacklist?? ( since the list does accept incoming spam and some users might have reported the wrong ip# to the rbls ) or there's a major routing problem going on somewhere ( anybody seen anything in nanog lists about any major outages ) but so far, i've seen/received all my posts c ya alvin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: List mail not coming to me either...
On Wed, 18 Aug 2004, Richard A Nelson wrote: I'll see if I can dig up some answers - but I don't have anything other than luser privs anywhere. There is something amiss - maybe Murphy is starting to warm up - we *are* awfull close to a release (in Debian terms anyway). Seems the mail list queue is, ah, erm, Not Functionally Good It *is* being looked at - so cross your fingers and try to bear with us... I'll try to keep you posted on what I hear, but it is now 00:41 local time, dunno how much longer I'll be cognizant -- Rick Nelson WildTHing ok guys .. so whens the next commit :PP taniwha when they come to get me -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: USE THREADS, DAMMIT! Re: No list mail
On Tuesday 17 August 2004 19:27, Brian Pack wrote: Ok... so it looks like going through the web archive is working, but who the hell knows if anybody is going to read it. So rather than helping to fix the problem, some have chosen to killfile the topic. And now the people who are at least making an effort. It's his PERSONAL killfile. How does his blocking of reading certain people's messages to his personal inbox have affect any of the questions and answers for a particular topic on this list? Zero. Mr. Metzler may not see this. Suits me fine. If anyone else cares to tell him, let him know that he is personally responsible for driving users away from Debian. Hmm. Doubt it. There is nothing wrong with the software, far from it. It is probably the best distro I've ever used. But I've run into far too many people in here and especially the chat rooms that make it all too clear that newbies aren't welcome. That anyone with *any* question isn't welcome. I've found over the years there are plenty of people on Debian lists that do not suffer fools lightly, but not all newbies are fools. There is a distinction. I'm not through with Linux, but I'm sure the hell through with Debian proper. Your choice. Whatever. Goodbye. Goodbye drama queen. -- Nate Duehr, [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No list mail
Brian Pack wrote: I'm pretty sure I'm still a list member because my posts aren't being rejected out-of-hand. So we haven't had a mass ejection from the list. I'm not sure, but I think anyone can send to the list, even if they are not a list member. -- Codito ergo sum Roel Schroeven -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: USE THREADS, DAMMIT! Re: No list mail
In case it helps... the mail has magically resumed coming to me. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: USE THREADS, DAMMIT! Re: No list mail
On Wed, Aug 18, 2004 at 09:44:44AM -0700, Stefan O'Rear wrote: In case it helps... the mail has magically resumed coming to me. I believe we've fixed it now, as long as you don't have a gmail address. Cheers, Pasc (with his listmaster hat on) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: USE THREADS, DAMMIT! Re: No list mail
On Wed, Aug 18, 2004 at 11:56:15AM -0500, Pascal Hakim wrote: On Wed, Aug 18, 2004 at 09:44:44AM -0700, Stefan O'Rear wrote: In case it helps... the mail has magically resumed coming to me. Same here, though I can't yet tell if things are fully up to speed. But at least it's moving! :) yay... I believe we've fixed it now, as long as you don't have a gmail address. Cheers, Pasc (with his listmaster hat on) Thanks for finding the problem and fixing it! Kenward -- In a completely rational society, the best of us would aspire to be _teachers_ and the rest of us would have to settle for something less, because passing civilization along from one generation to the next ought to be the highest honor and the highest responsibility anyone could have. - Lee Iacocca -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
No list mail
It's not an ISP problem. Too many ppl from too many ISPs are reporting the same thing for it to have anything to do with individual ISPs. The messages aren't *getting* to the ISP. I'm pretty sure I'm still a list member because my posts aren't being rejected out-of-hand. So we haven't had a mass ejection from the list. Whatever the problem is, it is *before* the messages reach whatever ISP they're headed to. I emailed the listmaster on Saturday about this. To date, no response. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No list mail
On Tue, Aug 17, 2004 at 04:56:30PM -0400, Brian Pack wrote: It's not an ISP problem. Too many ppl from too many ISPs are reporting the same thing for it to have anything to do with individual ISPs. The messages aren't *getting* to the ISP. I'm pretty sure I'm still a list member because my posts aren't being rejected out-of-hand. So we haven't had a mass ejection from the list. Whatever the problem is, it is *before* the messages reach whatever ISP they're headed to. I emailed the listmaster on Saturday about this. To date, no response. Hi Brian and other email-less folks, I just had an idea danger will robinson Would posting and or inspecting the email headers show anything about this problem? /danger will robinson -Kev -- (__) (oo) /--\/ / ||| * /\---/\ ~~ ~~ Have you mooed today?... signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: List mail not coming to me either...
I have checked the list online, and noticed others complaining about ... The last update to my Sid system was on the 9th. Exim logs are normal through last weekend as well. No errors, etc. No other spots I know about to check... Have to agree with another poster about the issue apparently being the other side of the ISP (i.e. originating from the list itself). Kenward -- In a completely rational society, the best of us would aspire to be _teachers_ and the rest of us would have to settle for something less, because passing civilization along from one generation to the next ought to be the highest honor and the highest responsibility anyone could have. - Lee Iacocca -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
USE THREADS, DAMMIT! Re: No list mail
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Brian Pack [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's not an ISP problem. Too many ppl from too many ISPs are reporting the same thing for it to have anything to do with individual ISPs. The messages aren't *getting* to the ISP. THREADS! Use the threads! Stop making new threads about this! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBIpIKUzgNqloQMwcRAqW0AJoCEyrxXTR7RbYe5DpiBUJJsxn3mwCfXAvd YDNA/iCSjBwF9sTWozoAlSM= =NAxV -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: List mail not coming to me either...
I wonder if this might have something to do with ISPs beginning to implement SPF. -- John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler) Dancing Horse Hill Elmwood, WI -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: USE THREADS, DAMMIT! Re: No list mail
On Tue, Aug 17, 2004 at 04:17:28PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: THREADS! Use the threads! Stop making new threads about this! They aren't receiving the messages, Paul. It makes it harder for them to follow threads. I've gotten every message, FWIW. -- Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabootu's Minister of Proofreading http://www.jabootu.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: USE THREADS, DAMMIT! Re: No list mail
On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 16:17:28 -0700 Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brian Pack [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's not an ISP problem. Too many ppl from too many ISPs are reporting the same thing for it to have anything to do with individual ISPs. The messages aren't *getting* to the ISP. THREADS! Use the threads! Stop making new threads about this! Really. I started out killfiling threads; but when new threads kept springing up like weeds all over the place, I changed to killfiling people instead. -c -- Chris Metzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] (remove snip-me. to email) As a child I understood how to give; I have forgotten this grace since I have become civilized. - Chief Luther Standing Bear pgpdHAERqQ3wm.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: USE THREADS, DAMMIT! Re: No list mail
On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 20:18:49 -0400 Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Aug 17, 2004 at 04:17:28PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: THREADS! Use the threads! Stop making new threads about this! They aren't receiving the messages, Paul. It makes it harder for them to follow threads. It makes it a pain in the ass to set References: or In-Reply-To: correctly, for sure. But using the same subject as the one in the post that one is quoting isn't too hard, and would effectively accomplish the same thing. -c -- Chris Metzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] (remove snip-me. to email) As a child I understood how to give; I have forgotten this grace since I have become civilized. - Chief Luther Standing Bear pgpkQLqrkSJjT.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Re: USE THREADS, DAMMIT! Re: No list mail
Ok... so it looks like going through the web archive is working, but who the hell knows if anybody is going to read it. So rather than helping to fix the problem, some have chosen to killfile the topic. And now the people who are at least making an effort. Mr. Metzler may not see this. Suits me fine. If anyone else cares to tell him, let him know that he is personally responsible for driving users away from Debian. There is nothing wrong with the software, far from it. It is probably the best distro I've ever used. But I've run into far too many people in here and especially the chat rooms that make it all too clear that newbies aren't welcome. That anyone with *any* question isn't welcome. I'm not through with Linux, but I'm sure the hell through with Debian proper. Goodbye. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: USE THREADS, DAMMIT! Re: No list mail
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, Aug 17, 2004 at 04:17:28PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: THREADS! Use the threads! Stop making new threads about this! They aren't receiving the messages, Paul. It makes it harder for them to follow threads. That's *not* an excuse. http://lists.debian.org/ exists for a reason.sp -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBIrQmUzgNqloQMwcRAi/xAKDbzHYbgsp/+jIZ8zeNsVQ8z5ZkNQCfalnj Rl/b+TbDgCf1WZw1l8Qi1eA= =7UPe -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: USE THREADS, DAMMIT! Re: No list mail
On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 21:27:56 -0400 Brian Pack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok... so it looks like going through the web archive is working, but who the hell knows if anybody is going to read it. So rather than helping to fix the problem, some have chosen to killfile the topic. Stuff like this drives me nuts. This is a mailing list of users. debian-*user*. Not developers. Not listmasters. Users. You have a legitimate problem -- you're not getting list mail. Other people here have confirmed the problem by saying that they, too, are not getting mail; and they're on a variety of ISPs. So it sounds like it's a problem with the list. The listmasters administer the list. So it sounds like the listmasters are the people to try and sort this out. Maybe you've tried contacting the listmasters and they've been unresponsive or unhelpful. Fine. But what, exactly, do you expect me to do to help fix the problem? I'm a *user*. I'm not the listmaster. Occasionally, somebody posts about a problem here that I know something about, and can help with. Meanwhile, I ignore problem threads in which I can't contribute anything to help fix the problem. Since I don't administer the list, I don't have anything to contribute to solving your problem. So *of course* I ignore the posts. And when the posts keep on coming, *of course* I killfile the topic. And when people make it hard to do that, *of course* I get annoyed. Mr. Metzler may not see this. Suits me fine. If anyone else cares to tell him, let him know that he is personally responsible for driving users away from Debian. Oh brother. From now on, I'll be sure to stop ignoring threads that I can't say anything useful about, out of fear of driving people away. -c -- Chris Metzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] (remove snip-me. to email) As a child I understood how to give; I have forgotten this grace since I have become civilized. - Chief Luther Standing Bear pgp7W2GfCU5Zf.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: USE THREADS, DAMMIT! Re: No list mail
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Chris Metzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 20:18:49 -0400 Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Aug 17, 2004 at 04:17:28PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: THREADS! Use the threads! Stop making new threads about this! They aren't receiving the messages, Paul. It makes it harder for them to follow threads. It makes it a pain in the ass to set References: or In-Reply-To: correctly, for sure. In Gnus, just add the header. If you're in X, anybody can do it with one hand tied behind their back if they're at all familiar with copy and paste. But using the same subject as the one in the post that one is quoting isn't too hard, and would effectively accomplish the same thing. No, it doesn't. It starts a new, completely disjointed subthread. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBItDdUzgNqloQMwcRAkndAKDYNugvDVd9ZfPwUtToLM+0O8AObwCdH2Dg VMTHYRAyFZ1FTagSaKzWz3Y= =ziKx -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: List mail not coming to me either...
John Hasler wrote: I wonder if this might have something to do with ISPs beginning to implement SPF. I doubt it. I have been having intermittent problems as well and something like SPF would tend to be all or nothing. I also don't use a commercial ISP for incoming mail and would probably know if the admins decided to implement something like SPF[especially since it would cause all my own mail to bounce]. My guess is that it is just load issues on the box running the lists[murphy?], it has happened before.[ie for some reason it only gets partially through sending to the list of people on the lists, sometimes it gets to my name, sometimes it doesn't, hence the intermittent problems. For people at the end of the list, it will tend to never get to their names.] signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
OT: 48 hrs and still no list mail
My posts on the usenet mirror aren't making the web archive, So I'm chiming in here. From what I've seen, it's multiple ISPs with the problem. I haven't received any list mail since Saturday night, when the usual load is hundreds per day. The usenet mirror is not showing it's usual load. I haven't changed anything on my end. The feed just dried up. There is no increased spam in my ISPs spam folder. The messages aren't even getting *to* the ISP. Since the problem is not unique to me or my ISP, I would be inclined to look further upstream for the problem. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: OT: 48 hrs and still no list mail
On Mon, Aug 16, 2004 at 09:26:53PM -0400, Brian Pack wrote: My posts on the usenet mirror aren't making the web archive, So I'm chiming in here. From what I've seen, it's multiple ISPs with the problem. I haven't received any list mail since Saturday night, when the usual load is hundreds per day. The usenet mirror is not showing it's usual load. I haven't changed anything on my end. The feed just dried up. There is no increased spam in my ISPs spam folder. The messages aren't even getting *to* the ISP. Since the problem is not unique to me or my ISP, I would be inclined to look further upstream for the problem. Hi Brian, and other emailess souls, I'm not a network guru, but would a traceroute from your isp to the debian mail host from all you guys possibly narrow down the point of the problem? =Kev -- (__) (oo) /--\/ / ||| * /\---/\ ~~ ~~ Have you mooed today?... signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: debian-user: not receiving all list mail
On Thursday 29 January 2004 08:54, Paul Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Jan 28, 2004 at 02:21:04PM +0300, Alphonse Ogulla wrote: It appears that I'm only getting a small percentage of all the mail traffic on this list. I sent 3 posts yesterday but got nothing back from debian-user. Is anyone else experiencing this problem? Please CC me in your replies. It's working fine for me, normal volume of traffic. You sure the problem's not on your end? Not absolutely sure but don't think so. I received this post directly from Paul Johnson and not debian-user. As a matter of fact, this post has not even shown up in debian-user. -- Alphonse Ogulla | The box said 'Designed for Windows NT or University of Nairobi, Kenya| better,' so I installed Debian GNU/Linux +- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian-user: not receiving all list mail
On 1/30/04 12:43 PM, Alphonse Ogulla wrote: It appears that I'm only getting a small percentage of all the mail traffic on this list. I sent 3 posts yesterday but got nothing back from debian-user. Is anyone else experiencing this problem? Please CC me in your replies. It's working fine for me, normal volume of traffic. You sure the problem's not on your end? Not absolutely sure but don't think so. I received this post directly from Paul Johnson and not debian-user. As a matter of fact, this post has not even shown up in debian-user. We have gotten all the list mail. As well as your post. -- Thanks!! David Thurman List Only at Web Presence Group Net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian-user: not receiving all list mail
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Jan 30, 2004 at 09:43:56PM +0300, Alphonse Ogulla wrote: Not absolutely sure but don't think so. I received this post directly from Paul Johnson and not debian-user. As a matter of fact, this post has not even shown up in debian-user. Oh...you're trying to sort the mailing list assuming that it's going to have a From: or Reply-To: header from the list? That's not how most mailing lists work, you want to look at the X-Mailing-List header to see what list it's coming from. - -- .''`. Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' : `. `'` proud Debian admin and user `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fix a system -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAGwEPUzgNqloQMwcRAjq6AKCYEgV13QYXHYwfNmiuC0MWSVpExACg34Hf 87qVFroLHGbqNRQVxD1/xgU= =BNVB -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
debian-user: not receiving all list mail
It appears that I'm only getting a small percentage of all the mail traffic on this list. I sent 3 posts yesterday but got nothing back from debian-user. Is anyone else experiencing this problem? Please CC me in your replies. -- Alphonse Ogulla [University of Nairobi, Kenya] The box said 'Requires Windows 95, NT, or better,' so I installed Debian Linux -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian-user: not receiving all list mail
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Jan 28, 2004 at 02:21:04PM +0300, Alphonse Ogulla wrote: It appears that I'm only getting a small percentage of all the mail traffic on this list. I sent 3 posts yesterday but got nothing back from debian-user. Is anyone else experiencing this problem? Please CC me in your replies. It's working fine for me, normal volume of traffic. You sure the problem's not on your end? - -- .''`. Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' : `. `'` proud Debian admin and user `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fix a system -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAGKAeUzgNqloQMwcRAkDoAJ0dB5IYqihe7o+1DHAx52/6sowmnQCgwhes 5CTTWmp/LCio1WvPWzF4yQM= =i5kt -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: List mail being redirected?
on Mon, Oct 27, 2003 at 12:44:24PM -0500, Haines Brown ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Sorry if this has been brought up before, but a message I send to this list this morning seems to have been redirectected at some point to a different domain: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The following address had permanent fatal errors [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't know if this redirection occurred before my message was distributed to the list, or as a result of that distribution. I'd appreciate knowing if anyone saw my message arrive. I don't recall the exact subject line, but it had to do with aptitude installation of kernel-headers. That's an idiot who's mail system is misconfiguring bounces. I've added the originating address to my spamlist and am reporting the mails to spam resources. I believe the ISP reporting addresses bounced. Peace. -- Karsten M. Self [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What Part of Gestalt don't you understand? user-agent considered harmful. Encourage W3M standards: http://twiki.iwethey.org/Main/UserContentString signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Initializing X clients (Was: List mail being redirected?)
At present, my X server starts, but all I get is a blank blue screen. I try to start icewm (it seems to be ready to run) by adding an exec into /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc and in ~/.Xinitrc, but nothing happens. This should be ~/.xinitrc (all lowercase). Actually, I always put it in ~/.xsession , I believe both things should work, but try the later. Also, make sure that they have executable permisions $ chmod +x ~/.xinitrc ~/.xsession Actually, the .Xinitrc was a typo; I usually use .Xclients. I tried your .xinitrc and .xsession, but they did not help. Actually, there's some more relevant information. First, I do get the debian logo white screen, and then the blue screen, and that I take implies the X server successfully loads (also, it reports no errors). Second, the actual error that shows up in .xsession-errors is: IceWM: Bad Option: I take this to mean that the problem is not with X, but with IceWM. I also infer that the icewm executable is called, but it has an invalid option. However, the icewm binary has no options, and I've no user defined options that would cause this. Third, the actual command I use to start icewm is: exec icewm || exec xterm and my understanding is that this opens an xterm if the window manager fails to run. But that does not happen. Hard to reconcile this with previous point unless the failure of icewm to load an option properly halts the process entirely at that point. Haines -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: List mail being redirected?
On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 at 17:44 GMT, Haines Brown penned: Sorry if this has been brought up before, but a message I send to this list this morning seems to have been redirectected at some point to a different domain: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The following address had permanent fatal errors [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't know if this redirection occurred before my message was distributed to the list, or as a result of that distribution. I'd appreciate knowing if anyone saw my message arrive. I don't recall the exact subject line, but it had to do with aptitude installation of kernel-headers. Haines Brown I've been getting a bunch of these, too. -- monique Unless you need to share ultra-sensitive super-spy stuff with me, please don't email me directly. I will most likely see your post before I read your mail, anyway. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: List mail being redirected?
Thanks for letting me know my message got through. I'm only at the point of setting up the X windows system in my debian installation, so can't yet cruise cyberspace to check the archives. At present, my X server starts, but all I get is a blank blue screen. I try to start icewm (it seems to be ready to run) by adding an exec into /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc and in ~/.Xinitrc, but nothing happens. When I get this straightened out, and get my browser going, debian list archives will be one of the first places I'll head ;-) Haines -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: list mail filters: was Re: Wicked screensaver
On Tue, Sep 02, 2003 at 07:59:40PM -0600, Jacob Anawalt wrote: I'm impressed that we didn't see more of a showing of Sobig.F on the list. What mail rules are inplace other than Spamassasin, or is that doing it all? We've added a number of filters after watching what's gotten through. Currently, we have: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/list/.etc$ wc -l rc.local.s10 rc.spam rc.virus 59 rc.local.s10 533 rc.spam 126 rc.virus 718 total [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/list/.etc$ Once comments and whitespace are removed, we've still got over 400 lines worth of checks. Cheers, Pasc -- Pascal Hakim 0411-283-060 Do not bend. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: list mail filters: was Re: Wicked screensaver
On Thu, Sep 04, 2003 at 06:42:11PM +1000, Pascal Hakim wrote: On Tue, Sep 02, 2003 at 07:59:40PM -0600, Jacob Anawalt wrote: I'm impressed that we didn't see more of a showing of Sobig.F on the list. What mail rules are inplace other than Spamassasin, or is that doing it all? We've added a number of filters after watching what's gotten through. Currently, we have: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/list/.etc$ wc -l rc.local.s10 rc.spam rc.virus 59 rc.local.s10 533 rc.spam 126 rc.virus 718 total [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/list/.etc$ Once comments and whitespace are removed, we've still got over 400 lines worth of checks. And while I'm there... some numbers of the stuff that didn't get through: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/list/junk/debian-user$ grep -c ^From *2003-08 assassinated.2003-08:3449 crossassassinated.2003-08:701 killed-r0.2003-08:620 rcdotspam.2003-08:14 spamfiltered.2003-08:2 viruspam.2003-08:1690 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/list/junk/debian-user$ grep -c ^From *2003-09 assassinated.2003-09:213 crossassassinated.2003-09:82 killed-r0.2003-09:146 rcdotspam.2003-09:4 viruspam.2003-09:127 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/list/junk/debian-user$ assassinated is the stuff that spamassassing caught. viruspam is all the virus that were sent, and the anti-virus messages that we caught. The rest are the various anti-spam rules that we have... Cheers, Pasc -- Pascal Hakim 0411-283-060 Do not bend. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Recieving list mail batched in a daily digest?
Hello, Is there a way to receive list mail batched in a daily digest and if so how to activate it? I searched http://lists.debian.org but did not find anything about it. -- Shaul Karl, [EMAIL PROTECTED] e t -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Recieving list mail batched in a daily digest?
On Thu, Nov 14, 2002 at 06:01:14PM +0200, Shaul Karl wrote: Hello, Is there a way to receive list mail batched in a daily digest and if so how to activate it? I searched http://lists.debian.org but did not find anything about it. I don't know why it doesn't say it on the web page, but you can subscribe to debian-user-digest by sending mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of subscribe and then following the directions that should be emailed to you. Walt msg12974/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Recieving list mail batched in a daily digest?
On Thu, Nov 14, 2002 at 12:57:06PM -0500, Walt Mankowski wrote: I don't know why it doesn't say it on the web page, but you can subscribe to debian-user-digest by sending mail to I should also point out, having just subscribed to the debian-user-digest this afternoon, that it doesn't cut down on message volume as much as one might think. It seems to be set to send out a digest whenever there's 30k of messages saved up. If the last 6 hours of traffic are any indication, that translates into roughly one digest every hour, containing anywhere from 3 to 20 messages. Walt msg13032/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
new to the list - mail help
I found out about sendmail.cf I even installed procmail!! Why do the messages all go into one file and not into 1 file per message??? This is driving me nuts! Thanks. _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: new to the list - mail help
On Wed, Nov 21, 2001 at 11:36:12AM -0600, madhombre wrote: I found out about sendmail.cf I even installed procmail!! Why do the messages all go into one file and not into 1 file per message??? This is called mbox format. You're presumably looking for something like Maildir format. Try the Mail-Administrator-HOWTO (section 3.5) for a brief discussion, and see /usr/share/doc/procmail/README.Maildir. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: new to the list - mail help
On Wed, Nov 21, 2001 at 11:36:12AM -0600, madhombre wrote: I found out about sendmail.cf I even installed procmail!! Why do the messages all go into one file and not into 1 file per message??? This is driving me nuts! You really need to send a more specific message to get effective help. For example, you might say that your mail is being delivered to one file (as opposed to log messages or something). Also, include how you are invoking procmail (.forward file?), and the contents of your .procmailrc file. Is sendmail configured to use .forward files? and so on. Standard unix mail practice uses the mbox format, which puts all mail in one file. procmail is often used to sort mail into a few different files depending on content (ex. all mail from debian-user goes into the debian file, all other mail goes into the default mail location (you can often find out what this is easily by running echo $MAIL). Maildir is the name of the mail box format that puts each message in a different file within your mail folder. Can you configure sendmail to use maildirs? probably. I have no idea how though, or even if that's what you want. You say that all your messages are going into one file, but is that really a problem? Usually not; it depends on what you are trying to do with it. I don't know of any mail clients that can't read mbox format, so your mail program will sort it all out for you. Common MUAs (Mail User Agents) include pine, mutt, mail, mh, gnus, evolution, kmail, ... Take your pick. -ben -- Ben Hartshorne ...Discarding smoothly, as we disembark, [EMAIL PROTECTED] All thoughts that held us wiser for a moment ben.hartshorne.net Up there, alone, in the impartial dark. -M. Oliver My PGP key is at /pgp.txt. Please encrypt all communications. pgpNwm7wFwtT6.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Multiple copies of list mail?
Hi Mike, mike polniak wrote: If your using procmail, there is a standard recipe for putting duplicate messages in a separate folder, so you won't notice them unless you check. I checked and i have not been getting any. Would you care to post that recipe on this list, or do you mean that it's included in the distribution of procmail. I must admit, that I'm not using procmail yet, but from what I've read, it's the perfect tool for me. Thanks, Viktor -- Viktor Rosenfeld WWW: http://www.informatik.hu-berlin.de/~rosenfel/ Geek Code (3.1): GCS/SS d-@ s+: a20 C++@ UL++$ P+ L+++ E--- W++ N++ o? K? !W O? M? V? PS++@ PE+(-) Y+ P?(+++) t+ 5+ X- R? !tv b+ DI+ D- G e+++ h-- r- !y+
