Re: nosh and redo have moved

[Andy Smith]

Hello,

On Fri, Aug 05, 2016 at 07:52:54PM +0200, Andre Majorel wrote:
> In a nutshell, Virgin Media shut http://homepage.ntlworld.com/
> down without warning.

A poster child for the virtues of serving content you care about
under a domain name you control (as much as one can control a domain
name).

Cheers,
Andy

Re: nosh and redo have moved

[Gene Heskett]

On Friday 05 August 2016 15:48:44 Lisi Reisz wrote:

> On Friday 05 August 2016 16:40:46 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > As for noticing the announcements, my expiry rules for this list
> > have already nuked the last of those messages just 3 or 4 days ago.
>
> That is hardly Jonathan's fault.  Do you accept only prolific posters?
>
> I am sure that there are those on the list who would breathe a sigh of
> relief, cheer and go out to the pub (or whatever you lot have instead
> ;-)  ) if you and I were to reduce our posts to the frequency of those
> of Jonathan, who is a long standing poster, and cheer even more loudly
> if either of us were ever to make as great a contribution.
>
> Lisi

Chuckle. I do declare I just got told to shut up. :)

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: nosh and redo have moved

[Gene Heskett]

On Friday 05 August 2016 13:52:54 Andre Majorel wrote:

> On 2016-08-05 11:40 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > So far, no links have included what I'd call a blow by blow, which
> > resulted in his projects being moved.
>
> It's not in any of the links in his message but in
>
> https://jdebp.eu/about-the-site.html
>
> In a nutshell, Virgin Media shut http://homepage.ntlworld.com/
> down without warning.

Luverly, just luverly I say. That sort of thing has been known to cause 
me to give away a piece of my mind I could spare. Obviously he had local 
backups, thanks to one of our many such insurance programs. I use amanda 
here, with some wrapper scripts I wrote.  Works right well, backing up 
all 4 machines in the middle of the night.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: nosh and redo have moved

[Gene Heskett]

On Friday 05 August 2016 13:52:54 Andre Majorel wrote:

> On 2016-08-05 11:40 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > So far, no links have included what I'd call a blow by blow, which
> > resulted in his projects being moved.
>
> It's not in any of the links in his message but in
>
> https://jdebp.eu/about-the-site.html
>
> In a nutshell, Virgin Media shut http://homepage.ntlworld.com/
> down without warning.

That man is A: quite intelligent, and B: has the patience of Job, he 
fairly refrained from calling them the jerks they turned out to be.  
Thats an admirable trait, one I wish I had. And which at my age, with 7 
decades of dealing with jerks, I simply never learned to STFU

Thanks Andre.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: nosh and redo have moved

[Lisi Reisz]

On Friday 05 August 2016 22:46:23 Gene Heskett wrote:
> Or in the present case,
> harassing the OP.  Who seems not inclined to clarify what he alluded to
> when he announced both the move and a new version.

Which is a most unworthy occupation.  You have been told both answers.  
Jonathan has no need to clarify anything.

Lisi

Re: nosh and redo have moved

[Gene Heskett]

On Friday 05 August 2016 13:25:43 Andre Majorel wrote:

> On 2016-08-05 12:36 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > Point taken. The pruning is an attempt to keep each individual
> > mailbox readable in a reasonable length of time by kmail. A
> > couple of my folders have no expiry, are over 2Gb in size. It
> > takes a good 45 seconds to sort and display the list when
> > entering those folders. I didn't want the debian list to
> > become that much of a time killer.
>
> A simple way to keep mail boxes to a manageable size is to split
> them by year. In extreme cases, by month. From my .procmailrc :
>
> MM=`date +%Y-%m`
>
> :0
>
> * ^X-Mailing-List:[   ]*linux-kernel@vger\.kernel\.org$
> linux-kernel-$MM
>
> If you use Kmail, you probably don't use Procmail but it takes
> more than mere logic to stop me from giving unsolicited advice.

Chuckle, but I do use fetchmail and procmail, it handles all the spam and 
virus scanning before it dumps it into /var/spool/mail. I have a bit of 
bash and inotifywait watching that directory, and telling kmail to go 
get the mail from there when there is new mail if its real mail.  So I 
am not sitting here watching paint dry while kmail is out on the net 
getting new mail.  That time delay with a frozen keyboard caused me to 
take the job of pulling the mail away from it.  And that gives me more 
time to concentrate on the real job, reading the mail. And replying to 
it if its about something I do know about. Or in the present case, 
harassing the OP.  Who seems not inclined to clarify what he alluded to 
when he announced both the move and a new version.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: nosh and redo have moved

[Lisi Reisz]

On Friday 05 August 2016 18:25:43 Andre Majorel wrote:
> If you use Kmail, you probably don't use Procmail but it takes
> more than mere logic to stop me from giving unsolicited advice.

I don't often laugh loudly out loud when reading the Debian List.  I believe 
the acronym is approximately ROFLMYO.  Thank you, André.

Lisi

Re: nosh and redo have moved

[Lisi Reisz]

On Friday 05 August 2016 16:40:46 Gene Heskett wrote:
> As for noticing the announcements, my expiry rules for this list have
> already nuked the last of those messages just 3 or 4 days ago.

That is hardly Jonathan's fault.  Do you accept only prolific posters?   

I am sure that there are those on the list who would breathe a sigh of relief, 
cheer and go out to the pub (or whatever you lot have instead ;-)  ) if you 
and I were to reduce our posts to the frequency of those of Jonathan, who is 
a long standing poster, and cheer even more loudly if either of us were ever 
to make as great a contribution.

Lisi

Re: nosh and redo have moved

[Andre Majorel]

On 2016-08-05 11:40 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:

> So far, no links have included what I'd call a blow by blow, which 
> resulted in his projects being moved.

It's not in any of the links in his message but in

https://jdebp.eu/about-the-site.html

In a nutshell, Virgin Media shut http://homepage.ntlworld.com/
down without warning.

-- 
André Majorel 
Imagine what would happen if the Debian project disclosed the email
addresses of their users. Spambots would harvest them and Debian
users would be inundated with spam. Good thing they don't, eh ?

Re: nosh and redo have moved

[Andre Majorel]

On 2016-08-05 12:36 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:

> Point taken. The pruning is an attempt to keep each individual
> mailbox readable in a reasonable length of time by kmail. A
> couple of my folders have no expiry, are over 2Gb in size. It
> takes a good 45 seconds to sort and display the list when
> entering those folders. I didn't want the debian list to
> become that much of a time killer.

A simple way to keep mail boxes to a manageable size is to split
them by year. In extreme cases, by month. From my .procmailrc :

MM=`date +%Y-%m`

:0
* ^X-Mailing-List:[ ]*linux-kernel@vger\.kernel\.org$
linux-kernel-$MM

If you use Kmail, you probably don't use Procmail but it takes
more than mere logic to stop me from giving unsolicited advice.

-- 
André Majorel 
Thousands of verified email addresses available from bugs.debian.org.

Re: nosh and redo have moved

[Gene Heskett]

On Friday 05 August 2016 11:59:32 Jonathan Dowland wrote:

> On Fri, Aug 05, 2016 at 11:40:46AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > As for noticing the announcements, my expiry rules for this list
> > have already nuked the last of those messages just 3 or 4 days ago. 
> > If I had future use for something it gets marked and excluded from
> > those rules. I'll set that up for a couple more months.
>
> When it comes to making assertions about who has or has not posted to
> the list, perhaps consider using the public archives, which are not
> subject to your personal pruning policy.

Point taken. The pruning is an attempt to keep each individual mailbox 
readable in a reasonable length of time by kmail. A couple of my folders 
have no expiry, are over 2Gb in size. It takes a good 45 seconds to sort 
and display the list when entering those folders. I didn't want the 
debian list to become that much of a time killer.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: nosh and redo have moved

[Jonathan Dowland]

On Fri, Aug 05, 2016 at 11:40:46AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> As for noticing the announcements, my expiry rules for this list have 
> already nuked the last of those messages just 3 or 4 days ago.  If I had 
> future use for something it gets marked and excluded from those rules. 
> I'll set that up for a couple more months.

When it comes to making assertions about who has or has not posted to
the list, perhaps consider using the public archives, which are not subject
to your personal pruning policy.


-- 
Jonathan Dowland
Please don't CC me, I'm subscribed to the list.


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Re: nosh and redo have moved

[Gene Heskett]

On Friday 05 August 2016 09:41:00 David Wright wrote:

> On Thu 04 Aug 2016 at 21:13:19 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Thursday 04 August 2016 19:34:44 Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote:
> > > The whole sorry tale of why is on the new WWW site.  The upshot of
> > > it is that nosh and redo are in a new place.
> >
> > No, it does not offer any explanation of why you come in here with a
> > megaphone announcing these tools.  This list has not been privy to
> > any previous exchanges of yours, at least since June 6th no one
> > named Pollard has posted.
>
> Sigh; what can one say? I'm surprised you haven't noticed that the
> announcements of nosh have been a regular feature here: August x 2,
> September, October, November, December, January, February, May.
> I haven't seen the sorry tale, but it might explain the quiet period.
>
> Cheers,
> David.
>
> https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/08/msg00803.html
> https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/08/msg00951.html
> https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/09/msg0.html
> https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/10/msg00114.html
> https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/11/msg00020.html
> https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/12/msg00452.html
> https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2016/01/msg00572.html
> https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2016/02/msg0.html
> https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2016/05/msg00280.html

So far, no links have included what I'd call a blow by blow, which 
resulted in his projects being moved.

As for noticing the announcements, my expiry rules for this list have 
already nuked the last of those messages just 3 or 4 days ago.  If I had 
future use for something it gets marked and excluded from those rules. 
I'll set that up for a couple more months.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: nosh and redo have moved

[Gene Heskett]

On Friday 05 August 2016 08:26:08 Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:

> On Thu, 04 Aug 2016, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Thursday 04 August 2016 19:34:44 Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote:
> > > The whole sorry tale of why is on the new WWW site.  The upshot of
> > > it is that nosh and redo are in a new place.
> >
> > No, it does not offer any explanation of why you come in here with a
> > megaphone announcing these tools.  This list has not been privy to
> > any
>
> Gene, there is no need to be this aggressive.
>
> For the record, Pollard and "nosh" are known to debian-devel.
>
> > A better explanation does seem to be a reasonable request.
>
> Indeed it is a reasonable request, and it would still be one even if
> Pollard was known to debian-user, or if his post had been sent to
> debian-devel.
>
>
> "nosh" is an init-system, one that might end up being a good
> replacement for sysvinit for Debian/kFreeBSD in the future.  Maybe.
>
> I am not well versed on "redo".  It looks like a set of tools that
> occupies the same locus as "Make" (to build targets from source files,
> processing dependency-aware graphs to both order the build, and
> minimize work when not evertything changed).

That was my impression after visiting all the links Mr. Pollard posted.  
But knowing the animosity that systemd has generated amongst the users 
when it was forced down their throats, possibly a bit prematurely, I 
came to the conclusion that the rest of the developers had exhibited 
less than zero interest in yet another replacement for init.

And with redo targeted at the make users, even I might have some interest 
in that. But if it changes the build environment in incompatible ways, 
I'd have less interest.

ATM I bleed enough, although I am glad to do it, running the development 
version of LinuxCNC on my 3 cnc machines, with a 4th one under 
construction. But thats slow when, in order to finish making a part for 
this Sheldon lathe which  although the bed seems in good shape, has 
obviously been rode hard & put away wet over the last 64 years. So I am 
replacing clapped out, made of pure unobtainium screws and nuts, with 
modern ball screws which will be moved by LinuxCNC of coarse, but I have 
to make every piece I need from fresh steel or brass since I've searched 
diligently for some on this unobtainium without success. ;-)

And that has demanded gib upgrades to my existing small lathe so it can 
cut finer threads more precisely.  And I have to write the G33 wrapper 
software to do that. The final software is intended to be universally 
shared, when its working as it will be an addition to LinuxCNC's 
capabilities.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: nosh and redo have moved

[David Wright]

On Thu 04 Aug 2016 at 21:13:19 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Thursday 04 August 2016 19:34:44 Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote:
> 
> > The whole sorry tale of why is on the new WWW site.  The upshot of it
> > is that nosh and redo are in a new place.
> >
> No, it does not offer any explanation of why you come in here with a 
> megaphone announcing these tools.  This list has not been privy to any 
> previous exchanges of yours, at least since June 6th no one named 
> Pollard has posted.

Sigh; what can one say? I'm surprised you haven't noticed that the
announcements of nosh have been a regular feature here: August x 2,
September, October, November, December, January, February, May.
I haven't seen the sorry tale, but it might explain the quiet period.

Cheers,
David.

https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/08/msg00803.html
https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/08/msg00951.html
https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/09/msg0.html
https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/10/msg00114.html
https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/11/msg00020.html
https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/12/msg00452.html
https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2016/01/msg00572.html
https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2016/02/msg0.html
https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2016/05/msg00280.html

Re: nosh and redo have moved

[Henrique de Moraes Holschuh]

On Thu, 04 Aug 2016, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Thursday 04 August 2016 19:34:44 Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote:
> > The whole sorry tale of why is on the new WWW site.  The upshot of it
> > is that nosh and redo are in a new place.
> >
> No, it does not offer any explanation of why you come in here with a 
> megaphone announcing these tools.  This list has not been privy to any 

Gene, there is no need to be this aggressive.

For the record, Pollard and "nosh" are known to debian-devel.

> A better explanation does seem to be a reasonable request.

Indeed it is a reasonable request, and it would still be one even if
Pollard was known to debian-user, or if his post had been sent to
debian-devel.


"nosh" is an init-system, one that might end up being a good replacement
for sysvinit for Debian/kFreeBSD in the future.  Maybe.

I am not well versed on "redo".  It looks like a set of tools that
occupies the same locus as "Make" (to build targets from source files,
processing dependency-aware graphs to both order the build, and minimize
work when not evertything changed).

-- 
  "One disk to rule them all, One disk to find them. One disk to bring
  them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond
  where the shadows lie." -- The Silicon Valley Tarot
  Henrique Holschuh

Re: nosh and redo have moved

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 04 August 2016 19:34:44 Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote:

> The whole sorry tale of why is on the new WWW site.  The upshot of it
> is that nosh and redo are in a new place.
>
No, it does not offer any explanation of why you come in here with a 
megaphone announcing these tools.  This list has not been privy to any 
previous exchanges of yours, at least since June 6th no one named 
Pollard has posted.

> * https://jdebp.eu./Softwares/nosh/
>
> ** https://jdebp.eu./Softwares/nosh/source-package.html
>
> ** https://jdebp.eu./Softwares/nosh/freebsd-binary-packages.html
>
> ** https://jdebp.eu./Softwares/nosh/debian-binary-packages.html
>
> * https://jdebp.eu./Softwares/redo/

A better explanation does seem to be a reasonable request.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

nosh and redo have moved

[Jonathan de Boyne Pollard]

The whole sorry tale of why is on the new WWW site.  The upshot of it is 
that nosh and redo are in a new place.


* https://jdebp.eu./Softwares/nosh/

** https://jdebp.eu./Softwares/nosh/source-package.html

** https://jdebp.eu./Softwares/nosh/freebsd-binary-packages.html

** https://jdebp.eu./Softwares/nosh/debian-binary-packages.html

* https://jdebp.eu./Softwares/redo/