Re: [OT?]Re: pc doesn't start
Mark Allums wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would be very surprised if the BIOS battery is alkaline. Alkaline batteries do have a characteristic that the voltage gradually drops as the battery dies; on the other hand Li batteries usually hold their voltage until they die at which point the voltage drops to near zero. Larry They are available both ways. Mark Allums I forgot to add that one would naturally prefer the lithium cells, for the reason you mention. Mark Allums -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT?]Re: pc doesn't start
Redirecting to list Sudev Barar wrote: 2008/7/30 Wackojacko [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I was refering to the coin cell that some motherboards have for keeping bios settings between reboots. The OP mentioned that removing the BIOS battery for a few minutes helps the PC start so maybe it just gives the battery enough time to recover enough charge for the reboot. Just a guess. This means battery is having charge but removing it is causing BIOS to reset to defaults. So is not likely problem. Waiting an hour resolves this problem. Which means battery is not good and waiting and hour resets BIOS (I am contradicting myself) But why would running the client load BIOS with some useless settings that go away when BIOS resets? Hmmm wish I could contribute more Me too! I just remember reading that a dead, or dying, BIOS Battery can lead to trouble getting the PC to POST, why I don't know. If you can get your hands on another battery to test this it might be cheaper than a new PSU :) HTH Wackojacko -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT?]Re: pc doesn't start
Wackojacko wrote: Redirecting to list Sudev Barar wrote: 2008/7/30 Wackojacko [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I was refering to the coin cell that some motherboards have for keeping bios settings between reboots. The OP mentioned that removing the BIOS battery for a few minutes helps the PC start so maybe it just gives the battery enough time to recover enough charge for the reboot. Just a guess. This means battery is having charge but removing it is causing BIOS to reset to defaults. So is not likely problem. Waiting an hour resolves this problem. Which means battery is not good and waiting and hour resets BIOS (I am contradicting myself) But why would running the client load BIOS with some useless settings that go away when BIOS resets? Hmmm wish I could contribute more Me too! I just remember reading that a dead, or dying, BIOS Battery can lead to trouble getting the PC to POST, why I don't know. If you can get your hands on another battery to test this it might be cheaper than a new PSU :) HTH Wackojacko Those coin batteries are typically 2025's or 2032's, and are quite common. In the US, Wal*Mart carries them. Elsewhere, try the local Wal*Mart equivalent, e.g. Tesco, or Radio Shack, or the local computer parts store should have some. Some are lithium, some are alkaline, it really doesn't matter, they are fairly cheap either way. I keep some on hand, not only do my computers use them, but the car zapper locker/unlocker uses them, and so does my blood sugar test meter. Mark Allums -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT?]Re: pc doesn't start
Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [OT?]Re: pc doesn't start Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 09:59:24 -0500 Wackojacko wrote: Redirecting to list Sudev Barar wrote: 2008/7/30 Wackojacko [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I was refering to the coin cell that some motherboards have for keeping bios settings between reboots. The OP mentioned that removing the BIOS battery for a few minutes helps the PC start so maybe it just gives the battery enough time to recover enough charge for the reboot. Just a guess. This means battery is having charge but removing it is causing BIOS to reset to defaults. So is not likely problem. Waiting an hour resolves this problem. Which means battery is not good and waiting and hour resets BIOS (I am contradicting myself) But why would running the client load BIOS with some useless settings that go away when BIOS resets? Hmmm wish I could contribute more Me too! I just remember reading that a dead, or dying, BIOS Battery can lead to trouble getting the PC to POST, why I don't know. If you can get your hands on another battery to test this it might be cheaper than a new PSU :) HTH Wackojacko Those coin batteries are typically 2025's or 2032's, and are quite common. In the US, Wal*Mart carries them. Elsewhere, try the local Wal*Mart equivalent, e.g. Tesco, or Radio Shack, or the local computer parts store should have some. Some are lithium, some are alkaline, it really doesn't matter, they are fairly cheap either way. I keep some on hand, not only do my computers use them, but the car zapper locker/unlocker uses them, and so does my blood sugar test meter. Mark Allums I would be very surprised if the BIOS battery is alkaline. Alkaline batteries do have a characteristic that the voltage gradually drops as the battery dies; on the other hand Li batteries usually hold their voltage until they die at which point the voltage drops to near zero. Larry -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] ebian.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT?]Re: pc doesn't start
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HTH Wackojacko Those coin batteries are typically 2025's or 2032's, and are quite common. In the US, Wal*Mart carries them. Elsewhere, try the local Wal*Mart equivalent, e.g. Tesco, or Radio Shack, or the local computer parts store should have some. Some are lithium, some are alkaline, it really doesn't matter, they are fairly cheap either way. I keep some on hand, not only do my computers use them, but the car zapper locker/unlocker uses them, and so does my blood sugar test meter. Mark Allums I would be very surprised if the BIOS battery is alkaline. Alkaline batteries do have a characteristic that the voltage gradually drops as the battery dies; on the other hand Li batteries usually hold their voltage until they die at which point the voltage drops to near zero. Larry They are available both ways. Mark Allums -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: pc doesn't start
Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 05:03:45PM +0100, Wackojacko wrote: Brian McKee wrote: On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 11:43 AM, Claudius Hubig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lóránd Erik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...and the pc is in a wooden box:D but the connector is grounded, could that be the problem? I have a similiar problem with my desktop PC: After running for a while and then being shut down, it wont turn on again. Waiting a few minutes (quite a few in fact, maybe an hour) and the problem is solved again. Both of you could try unplugging it for ten seconds. I have seen a couple of units that behave that way. It seems to be the motherboard/BIOS as replacing the PSU on one of units I have that behaves that way didn't change anything. ... Also try replacing the BIOS battery back up. I seem to remember reading on this list about similar problems being solved that way. I think Andrew S-W may have been involved in the thread, maybe even the OP, but I'm sure he'll correct me if I'm wrong :) Not sure what you're referring too by BIOS battery back up... PSU's have a pretty high failure rate, at least on a par with if not worse than HD's. If you had a warning about voltage, and now the thing doesn't work correctly, the first thing I'd suggest is testing or replacing the PSU. Note though that a failing PSU could take other stuff with it, so don't be surprised if it ends up being multiple parts. OP's PSU (or some other part) could merely be overheating in some odd way that keeps it from powering back up until it's had time to cool back down. I've found that investing in a battery backup helps with the life span of PSU's. In fact the only ones I've had fail in a couple of years now are the ones that aren't on battery backup. The battery backup generally provide some power conditioning which helps minimize the stress on the PSU. hth A I was refering to the coin cell that some motherboards have for keeping bios settings between reboots. The OP mentioned that removing the BIOS battery for a few minutes helps the PC start so maybe it just gives the battery enough time to recover enough charge for the reboot. Just a guess. I was sure that you had had a problem like this with an older PC which was solved by replacing the coin cell. Maybe my memory is just not what it used to be!! HTH Wackojacko -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: pc doesn't start
Brian McKee wrote: On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 11:43 AM, Claudius Hubig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lóránd Erik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...and the pc is in a wooden box:D but the connector is grounded, could that be the problem? I have a similiar problem with my desktop PC: After running for a while and then being shut down, it wont turn on again. Waiting a few minutes (quite a few in fact, maybe an hour) and the problem is solved again. Both of you could try unplugging it for ten seconds. I have seen a couple of units that behave that way. It seems to be the motherboard/BIOS as replacing the PSU on one of units I have that behaves that way didn't change anything. Brian Also try replacing the BIOS battery back up. I seem to remember reading on this list about similar problems being solved that way. I think Andrew S-W may have been involved in the thread, maybe even the OP, but I'm sure he'll correct me if I'm wrong :) HTH Wackojacko -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: pc doesn't start
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 05:03:45PM +0100, Wackojacko wrote: Brian McKee wrote: On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 11:43 AM, Claudius Hubig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lóránd Erik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...and the pc is in a wooden box:D but the connector is grounded, could that be the problem? I have a similiar problem with my desktop PC: After running for a while and then being shut down, it wont turn on again. Waiting a few minutes (quite a few in fact, maybe an hour) and the problem is solved again. Both of you could try unplugging it for ten seconds. I have seen a couple of units that behave that way. It seems to be the motherboard/BIOS as replacing the PSU on one of units I have that behaves that way didn't change anything. ... Also try replacing the BIOS battery back up. I seem to remember reading on this list about similar problems being solved that way. I think Andrew S-W may have been involved in the thread, maybe even the OP, but I'm sure he'll correct me if I'm wrong :) Not sure what you're referring too by BIOS battery back up... PSU's have a pretty high failure rate, at least on a par with if not worse than HD's. If you had a warning about voltage, and now the thing doesn't work correctly, the first thing I'd suggest is testing or replacing the PSU. Note though that a failing PSU could take other stuff with it, so don't be surprised if it ends up being multiple parts. OP's PSU (or some other part) could merely be overheating in some odd way that keeps it from powering back up until it's had time to cool back down. I've found that investing in a battery backup helps with the life span of PSU's. In fact the only ones I've had fail in a couple of years now are the ones that aren't on battery backup. The battery backup generally provide some power conditioning which helps minimize the stress on the PSU. hth A signature.asc Description: Digital signature
pc doesn't start
Hi It's isn't a very debian-specific question, but the os on the pc is debian:P I just want to ask, that what could be the problem, when after shutdown, it doesn't start? The fans doesn't start, no nothing, i have maybe some clues: i installed before lm-sensors, and it wrote ALARM for some voltage values [about ~6 alarm captionsxD from the ~10] so... i don't have a backup psu, but i think that could be the problem. what else could it be? ps.: i could bring the pc to life, when i take out the bios battery for a few minutes:O so i'm not 100% sure that the psu is bad:S Thank you
Re: pc doesn't start
...and the pc is in a wooden box:D but the connector is grounded, could that be the problem? 2008/7/27 Lóránd Erik [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi It's isn't a very debian-specific question, but the os on the pc is debian:P I just want to ask, that what could be the problem, when after shutdown, it doesn't start? The fans doesn't start, no nothing, i have maybe some clues: i installed before lm-sensors, and it wrote ALARM for some voltage values [about ~6 alarm captionsxD from the ~10] so... i don't have a backup psu, but i think that could be the problem. what else could it be? ps.: i could bring the pc to life, when i take out the bios battery for a few minutes:O so i'm not 100% sure that the psu is bad:S Thank you
Re: pc doesn't start
Lóránd Erik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...and the pc is in a wooden box:D but the connector is grounded, could that be the problem? I have a similiar problem with my desktop PC: After running for a while and then being shut down, it wont turn on again. Waiting a few minutes (quite a few in fact, maybe an hour) and the problem is solved again. Does this apply to your computer as well or do you definitely have to take out the battery? If so, why not remove it completely? Settings are lost anyway, and you could spend the few minutes on getting a coffee or something. Greetings, Claudius -- Dungeons and Dragons is just a lot of Saxon Violence. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Lóránd Erik wrote: ...and the pc is in a wooden box:D but the connector is grounded, could that be the problem? 2008/7/27 Lóránd Erik [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi It's isn't a very debian-specific question, but the os on the pc is debian:P I just want to ask, that what could be the problem, when after shutdown, it doesn't start? The fans doesn't start, no nothing, i have maybe some clues: i installed before lm-sensors, and it wrote ALARM for some voltage values [about ~6 alarm captionsxD from the ~10] so... i don't have a backup psu, but i think that could be the problem. what else could it be? ps.: i could bring the pc to life, when i take out the bios battery for a few minutes:O so i'm not 100% sure that the psu is bad:S Thank you would just start with the process of elimination. remove pci cards, reseat ram. shutdown and boot before and after re inserting each pci card. check the ps connections to mb, and check the switch to turn power on? if all ok, replace ps. - -- Steve Reilly http://reillyblog.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIjKl/UpqfZIdKFyERAvgSAKDI0Pi83I9E7/60zirWDEEzf9Xs+gCdEzEg CKpr4N36jJgOQvl0Eu7gaUU= =W2Sq -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: pc doesn't start
On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 11:43 AM, Claudius Hubig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lóránd Erik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...and the pc is in a wooden box:D but the connector is grounded, could that be the problem? I have a similiar problem with my desktop PC: After running for a while and then being shut down, it wont turn on again. Waiting a few minutes (quite a few in fact, maybe an hour) and the problem is solved again. Both of you could try unplugging it for ten seconds. I have seen a couple of units that behave that way. It seems to be the motherboard/BIOS as replacing the PSU on one of units I have that behaves that way didn't change anything. Brian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
