Re: [OT: m r ducks] Re: pdf readers

2003-08-15 Thread Stephen Patterson
On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 19:40:09 +0200, Patrick Albuquerque wrote:
 On Tue, Aug 12, 2003 at 02:20:28PM -0500, Alex Malinovich wrote:
 On Tue, 2003-08-12 at 13:50, Greg Folkert wrote:
  MR DUCKS!
  MRNOT DUCKS!
  CM EDBD WINGS?
  LIB MR! DUCKS!
 
 I always heard it as:
 
 M R ducks
 M R not ducks
 O S A R
 C D E D B D wings?
 Y I B! M R ducks!

And back in England,
Y Y U R
Y Y U B
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pdf readers

2003-08-14 Thread MJM
In stable I used ghostview (Kghostview actually) to view an ANSI standard 
document.  Some graphics were laid out in landscape but most of the doc was 
in portrait.  The pages with landscape graphics were mishandled and therefore 
clipped.

I loaded xpdf and read the doc and had no problem with the landscape graphics 
pages - just like reading the paper - it flipped the page to landscape for me.

If anyone else has ghostview vs xpdf vs acrobat vs ??? stories or comments 
I'd like to read them.

The navigation on non-Acrobat readers is rudimentary or non-existent.  Any 
way to improve navigation in them?  I'm reading a 2000+ page document so 
navigation would be helpful.
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Re: [OT: m r ducks] Re: pdf readers

2003-08-14 Thread nori heikkinen
on Wed, 13 Aug 2003 02:52:11PM +0200, Richard Lyons insinuated:
 On Wednesday 13 August 2003 1:13 am, nori heikkinen wrote:
 [...]
 
  speaking of which ... if you read french, check out Mots D'Heures:
  Gousses, Rames -- my favorite therein being Un Petit d'Un Petit:
 
  Un petit d'un petit
  S'e'tonne aux Halles
  Un petit d'un petit
  Ah! degre's te fallent
  Indolent qui ne sort cesse
  Indolent qui ne se mne
  Qu'importe un petit d'un petit
  Tout Gai de Reguennes.
 
 Aaah!  I saw that in a little bookshop on the left bank a few yers
 ago.  I didn't buy it - feeling too poor at the time, but regretted
 it ever since.   Since then, I've looked for the bookshop, and the
 book without success.  I couldn't remember its title even.  I must
 get a copy.

it's on amazon ... found it through google :)

/nori

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Re: [OT: m r ducks] Re: pdf readers

2003-08-14 Thread David Fokkema
On Tue, Aug 12, 2003 at 04:14:44PM -0500, Kent West wrote:
 David Fokkema wrote:
 
 On Tue, Aug 12, 2003 at 02:20:28PM -0500, Alex Malinovich wrote:
  
 
 On Tue, 2003-08-12 at 13:50, Greg Folkert wrote:

 
 MR DUCKS!
 MRNOT DUCKS!
 CM EDBD WINGS?
 LIB MR! DUCKS!
  
 
 I always heard it as:
 
 M R ducks
 M R not ducks
 O S A R
 C D E D B D wings?
 Y I B! M R ducks!
 
 And now this is all hopelessly off-topic... :)

 
 
 Yes, it is. But people filter on OT, so I risk myself getting involved
 in an OT thread (again). What is this all about? I can't make anything
 out of this. Care to explain?
 
 David
 
 
  
 
 Them are ducks.
 Them are not ducks.
 O yes they are.
 See the itty-bitty wings?
 Why, I be! Them are ducks!

Next time I read things like this, I will pronounce them first, ;-)

Thanks,

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[OT: m r ducks] Re: pdf readers

2003-08-14 Thread Alex Malinovich
On Tue, 2003-08-12 at 13:50, Greg Folkert wrote:
 MR DUCKS!
 MRNOT DUCKS!
 CM EDBD WINGS?
 LIB MR! DUCKS!

I always heard it as:

M R ducks
M R not ducks
O S A R
C D E D B D wings?
Y I B! M R ducks!

And now this is all hopelessly off-topic... :)

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Re: [OT: m r ducks] Re: pdf readers

2003-08-14 Thread Kent West
David Fokkema wrote:

Next time I read things like this, I will pronounce them first, ;-)

Thanks,

David
 

Maresey dotes and dosey dotes
And liddle kidsy divey. . . .
etc etc

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Re: pdf readers

2003-08-14 Thread Colin Watson
On Tue, Aug 12, 2003 at 02:07:47PM -0400, Greg Folkert wrote:
 On Tue, 2003-08-12 at 13:17, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
  On Tue, Aug 12, 2003 at 13:10:21 -0400, MJM wrote:
   If anyone else has ghostview vs xpdf vs acrobat vs ??? stories or
   comments I'd like to read them.
  
  I use xpdf on my PPC laptop since gv renders some PDF documents
  very badly and acrobat doesn't exist here.
 
 Begging to differ with you:
 
duke:~# apt-cache policy acroread
acroread:
  Installed: 5.07-woody0.0
  Candidate: 5.07-woody0.0
  Version Table:
 *** 5.07-woody0.0 0
500 http://marillat.free.fr testing/main Packages
500 http://marillat.free.fr unstable/main Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status

Note the PPC bit. marillat.free.fr only has i386 binaries.

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Re: [OT: m r ducks] Re: pdf readers

2003-08-14 Thread Patrick Albuquerque
On Tue, Aug 12, 2003 at 02:20:28PM -0500, Alex Malinovich wrote:
 On Tue, 2003-08-12 at 13:50, Greg Folkert wrote:
  MR DUCKS!
  MRNOT DUCKS!
  CM EDBD WINGS?
  LIB MR! DUCKS!
 
 I always heard it as:
 
 M R ducks
 M R not ducks
 O S A R
 C D E D B D wings?
 Y I B! M R ducks!
 
 And now this is all hopelessly off-topic... :)
 

If you can manage a Newfie accent, try

m r ducks
m r not
m r 2, cedar wings
whale oil beef hooked
m r ducks

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Re: [OT: m r ducks] Re: pdf readers

2003-08-14 Thread Kent West
Richard Lyons wrote:

On Wednesday 13 August 2003 1:13 am, nori heikkinen wrote:
[...]
 

speaking of which ... if you read french, check out Mots D'Heures:
Gousses, Rames -- my favorite therein being Un Petit d'Un Petit:
Un petit d'un petit
S'e'tonne aux Halles
Un petit d'un petit
Ah! degre's te fallent
Indolent qui ne sort cesse
Indolent qui ne se mne
Qu'importe un petit d'un petit
Tout Gai de Reguennes.
   

And what if we don't read French? Could someone translate it, or does 
it's value get lost in the translation, as I would expect given the 
nature of this thread?

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Re: [OT: m r ducks] Re: pdf readers

2003-08-14 Thread nori heikkinen
on Wed, 13 Aug 2003 10:08:01AM -0500, Kent West insinuated:
 Richard Lyons wrote:
 
 On Wednesday 13 August 2003 1:13 am, nori heikkinen wrote:
 [...]
   
 
 speaking of which ... if you read french, check out Mots D'Heures:
 Gousses, Rames -- my favorite therein being Un Petit d'Un Petit:
 
 Un petit d'un petit
 S'e'tonne aux Halles
 Un petit d'un petit
 Ah! degre's te fallent
 Indolent qui ne sort cesse
 Indolent qui ne se mne
 Qu'importe un petit d'un petit
 Tout Gai de Reguennes.
 
 
 
 And what if we don't read French? Could someone translate it, or
 does it's value get lost in the translation, as I would expect given
 the nature of this thread?

it's funny because not only is it perfect french that makes sense in
translation, but if you read it out loud in french, you end up saying
the Humpty Dumpty rhyme.

what's fun is to give it to a friend who speaks french and ask them to
read it, and then watch them get confused when everyone else starts
lauging.

a french teacher of mine in high school had us spend the better part
of a day analyzing this poem until someone caught on.

a little googling turns it up in german, too:

Um die Dumm' die Saturn Aval;
Um die Dumm' die Ader Grt' fahl.
Alter ging's Ohr s und Alter ging's mhen.
Kuh denn ,,putt'' um Dieter Gitter er ghn'[1]

/nori

[1] http://www.shiny.ndo.co.uk/alice/chap005.htm

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Re: [OT: m r ducks] Re: pdf readers

2003-08-14 Thread David Fokkema
On Tue, Aug 12, 2003 at 02:20:28PM -0500, Alex Malinovich wrote:
 On Tue, 2003-08-12 at 13:50, Greg Folkert wrote:
  MR DUCKS!
  MRNOT DUCKS!
  CM EDBD WINGS?
  LIB MR! DUCKS!
 
 I always heard it as:
 
 M R ducks
 M R not ducks
 O S A R
 C D E D B D wings?
 Y I B! M R ducks!
 
 And now this is all hopelessly off-topic... :)

Yes, it is. But people filter on OT, so I risk myself getting involved
in an OT thread (again). What is this all about? I can't make anything
out of this. Care to explain?

David


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Re: [OT: m r ducks] Re: pdf readers

2003-08-14 Thread Richard Lyons
On Wednesday 13 August 2003 1:13 am, nori heikkinen wrote:
[...]

 speaking of which ... if you read french, check out Mots D'Heures:
 Gousses, Rames -- my favorite therein being Un Petit d'Un Petit:

 Un petit d'un petit
 S'e'tonne aux Halles
 Un petit d'un petit
 Ah! degre's te fallent
 Indolent qui ne sort cesse
 Indolent qui ne se mne
 Qu'importe un petit d'un petit
 Tout Gai de Reguennes.

Aaah!  I saw that in a little bookshop on the left bank a few yers ago.  I 
didn't buy it - feeling too poor at the time, but regretted it ever since.   
Since then, I've looked for the bookshop, and the book without success.  I 
couldn't remember its title even.  I must get a copy.

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Re: pdf readers

2003-08-14 Thread Greg Folkert
On Tue, 2003-08-12 at 14:38, Gary Hennigan wrote:
 Greg Folkert [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  On Tue, 2003-08-12 at 13:17, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
  On Tue, Aug 12, 2003 at 13:10:21 -0400, MJM wrote:
   If anyone else has ghostview vs xpdf vs acrobat vs ??? stories or
   comments I'd like to read them.
  
  I use xpdf on my PPC laptop since gv renders some PDF documents
  very badly and acrobat doesn't exist here.
 
  Begging to differ with you:
 
 duke:~# apt-cache policy acroread
 acroread:
   Installed: 5.07-woody0.0
   Candidate: 5.07-woody0.0
   Version Table:
  *** 5.07-woody0.0 0
 500 http://marillat.free.fr testing/main Packages
 500 http://marillat.free.fr unstable/main Packages
 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
 
  Not that it is as current as I'd like (v6) but it'll have to do. All the
  other renderers crap out on most things some things that are simple.
  Acroread doesn't play nice with FontConfig... so it is a bit choppy at
  times.
 
 He says right there that has a PowerPC laptop, not an i386-based
 system. Unless I'm mistaken you've provided a site that has i386
 Debian software, NOT PPC.
MR DUCKS!
MRNOT DUCKS!
CM EDBD WINGS?
LIB MR! DUCKS!

Sorry, shot my mouth... err hands off, before I engaged my brain...

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Re: [OT: m r ducks] Re: pdf readers

2003-08-14 Thread Kent West
Kent West wrote:

Maresey dotes and dosey dotes
And liddle kidsy divey. . . .
Oops; should've been liddle lambsy divey.

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Re: pdf readers

2003-08-14 Thread MJM
On Tuesday 12 August 2003 14:12, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Tue, 12 Aug 2003, MJM wrote:
  The navigation on non-Acrobat readers is rudimentary or non-existent. 
  Any way to improve navigation in them?  I'm reading a 2000+ page document
  so navigation would be helpful.

 What about kghostview?

Only gives pages numbers - not section numbers and titles.  Uses gs 6.53.  
The upstream source has 8.x available.


 Although the the find function doesn't work, the rest of the navigation is
 OK.

 You could also install acroread on Linux...

THinking about doing this.  I've done it from the upstream tarball on other 
installations.  Not finding a package in my current sources list.  I use 
stable.  I found unofficial sites for unstable with acroread:
http://martin.quinson.free.fr/deb.html
http://marillat.free.fr/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/Packages

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Re: [OT: m r ducks] Re: pdf readers

2003-08-14 Thread Kent West
David Fokkema wrote:

On Tue, Aug 12, 2003 at 02:20:28PM -0500, Alex Malinovich wrote:
 

On Tue, 2003-08-12 at 13:50, Greg Folkert wrote:
   

MR DUCKS!
MRNOT DUCKS!
CM EDBD WINGS?
LIB MR! DUCKS!
 

I always heard it as:

M R ducks
M R not ducks
O S A R
C D E D B D wings?
Y I B! M R ducks!
And now this is all hopelessly off-topic... :)
   

Yes, it is. But people filter on OT, so I risk myself getting involved
in an OT thread (again). What is this all about? I can't make anything
out of this. Care to explain?
David

 

Them are ducks.
Them are not ducks.
O yes they are.
See the itty-bitty wings?
Why, I be! Them are ducks!


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Re: [OT: m r ducks] Re: pdf readers

2003-08-14 Thread David Fokkema
On Wed, Aug 13, 2003 at 11:40:47AM -0400, nori heikkinen wrote:
 on Wed, 13 Aug 2003 10:08:01AM -0500, Kent West insinuated:
  Richard Lyons wrote:
  
  On Wednesday 13 August 2003 1:13 am, nori heikkinen wrote:
  [...]

  
  speaking of which ... if you read french, check out Mots D'Heures:
  Gousses, Rames -- my favorite therein being Un Petit d'Un Petit:
  
  Un petit d'un petit
  S'e'tonne aux Halles
  Un petit d'un petit
  Ah! degre's te fallent
  Indolent qui ne sort cesse
  Indolent qui ne se m?ne
  Qu'importe un petit d'un petit
  Tout Gai de Reguennes.
  
  
  
  And what if we don't read French? Could someone translate it, or
  does it's value get lost in the translation, as I would expect given
  the nature of this thread?
 
 it's funny because not only is it perfect french that makes sense in
 translation, but if you read it out loud in french, you end up saying
 the Humpty Dumpty rhyme.
 
 what's fun is to give it to a friend who speaks french and ask them to
 read it, and then watch them get confused when everyone else starts
 lauging.
 
 a french teacher of mine in high school had us spend the better part
 of a day analyzing this poem until someone caught on.

It was only now that I understood what this was all about. My goodness,
I need to improve on my French, that's for sure, :-)

 a little googling turns it up in german, too:
 
 Um die Dumm' die Saturn Aval;
 Um die Dumm' die Ader Grät' fahl.
 Alter ging's Ohr säß und Alter ging's mähen.
 Kuh denn ,,putt'' um Dieter Gitter er gähn'[1]

These are very nice...

Just for the record, could someone give me the full Humpty Dumpty rhyme?
Oh, never mind: google!

David


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Re: [OT: m r ducks] Re: pdf readers

2003-08-14 Thread Peter Hugosson-Miller
nori heikkinen wrote:

on Tue, 12 Aug 2003 11:27:02PM +0200, David Fokkema insinuated:
 

On Tue, Aug 12, 2003 at 04:14:44PM -0500, Kent West wrote:
   

David Fokkema wrote:

 

On Tue, Aug 12, 2003 at 02:20:28PM -0500, Alex Malinovich wrote:

   

I always heard it as:

M R ducks
M R not ducks
O S A R
C D E D B D wings?
Y I B! M R ducks!
 

i used to have a whole illustrated book of these when i was little ...
this one was the best, though.
 

Yes, it is. But people filter on OT, so I risk myself getting involved
in an OT thread (again). What is this all about? I can't make anything
out of this. Care to explain?
   

Them are ducks.
Them are not ducks.
O yes they are.
See the itty-bitty wings?
Why, I be! Them are ducks!
 

Next time I read things like this, I will pronounce them first, ;-)
   

speaking of which ... if you read french, check out Mots D'Heures:
Gousses, Rames -- my favorite therein being Un Petit d'Un Petit:
Un petit d'un petit
S'e'tonne aux Halles
Un petit d'un petit
Ah! degre's te fallent
Indolent qui ne sort cesse
Indolent qui ne se mne
Qu'importe un petit d'un petit
Tout Gai de Reguennes. 

/nori

 

Yes, that's one of my favourites too!

Humpty Dumpty
Sat on a wall
... etc, etc.
Any Swedish readers care to try this one:

 i a  e 

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Re: pdf readers

2003-08-14 Thread Gary Hennigan
Greg Folkert [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 On Tue, 2003-08-12 at 13:17, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
 On Tue, Aug 12, 2003 at 13:10:21 -0400, MJM wrote:
  If anyone else has ghostview vs xpdf vs acrobat vs ??? stories or
  comments I'd like to read them.
 
 I use xpdf on my PPC laptop since gv renders some PDF documents
 very badly and acrobat doesn't exist here.

 Begging to differ with you:

duke:~# apt-cache policy acroread
acroread:
  Installed: 5.07-woody0.0
  Candidate: 5.07-woody0.0
  Version Table:
 *** 5.07-woody0.0 0
500 http://marillat.free.fr testing/main Packages
500 http://marillat.free.fr unstable/main Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status

 Not that it is as current as I'd like (v6) but it'll have to do. All the
 other renderers crap out on most things some things that are simple.
 Acroread doesn't play nice with FontConfig... so it is a bit choppy at
 times.

He says right there that has a PowerPC laptop, not an i386-based
system. Unless I'm mistaken you've provided a site that has i386
Debian software, NOT PPC.

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Re: pdf readers

2003-08-14 Thread Greg Folkert
On Tue, 2003-08-12 at 13:17, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
 On Tue, Aug 12, 2003 at 13:10:21 -0400, MJM wrote:
  If anyone else has ghostview vs xpdf vs acrobat vs ??? stories or
  comments I'd like to read them.
 
 I use xpdf on my PPC laptop since gv renders some PDF documents
 very badly and acrobat doesn't exist here.

Begging to differ with you:

   duke:~# apt-cache policy acroread
   acroread:
 Installed: 5.07-woody0.0
 Candidate: 5.07-woody0.0
 Version Table:
*** 5.07-woody0.0 0
   500 http://marillat.free.fr testing/main Packages
   500 http://marillat.free.fr unstable/main Packages
   100 /var/lib/dpkg/status

Not that it is as current as I'd like (v6) but it'll have to do. All the
other renderers crap out on most things some things that are simple.
Acroread doesn't play nice with FontConfig... so it is a bit choppy at
times.

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Re: [OT: m r ducks] Re: pdf readers

2003-08-14 Thread nori heikkinen
on Tue, 12 Aug 2003 11:27:02PM +0200, David Fokkema insinuated:
 On Tue, Aug 12, 2003 at 04:14:44PM -0500, Kent West wrote:
  David Fokkema wrote:
  
  On Tue, Aug 12, 2003 at 02:20:28PM -0500, Alex Malinovich wrote:
   
  I always heard it as:
  
  M R ducks
  M R not ducks
  O S A R
  C D E D B D wings?
  Y I B! M R ducks!

i used to have a whole illustrated book of these when i was little ...
this one was the best, though.

  Yes, it is. But people filter on OT, so I risk myself getting involved
  in an OT thread (again). What is this all about? I can't make anything
  out of this. Care to explain?
   
 
  Them are ducks.
  Them are not ducks.
  O yes they are.
  See the itty-bitty wings?
  Why, I be! Them are ducks!
 
 Next time I read things like this, I will pronounce them first, ;-)

speaking of which ... if you read french, check out Mots D'Heures:
Gousses, Rames -- my favorite therein being Un Petit d'Un Petit:

Un petit d'un petit
S'e'tonne aux Halles
Un petit d'un petit
Ah! degre's te fallent
Indolent qui ne sort cesse
Indolent qui ne se mne
Qu'importe un petit d'un petit
Tout Gai de Reguennes. 

/nori

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Re: pdf readers

2003-08-14 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On Tue, Aug 12, 2003 at 13:10:21 -0400, MJM wrote:
 If anyone else has ghostview vs xpdf vs acrobat vs ??? stories or
 comments I'd like to read them.

I use xpdf on my PPC laptop since gv renders some PDF documents
very badly and acrobat doesn't exist here.

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Re: pdf readers

2003-08-14 Thread David Z Maze
Greg Folkert [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On Tue, 2003-08-12 at 13:17, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
 I use xpdf on my PPC laptop since gv renders some PDF documents
 very badly and acrobat doesn't exist here.

 Begging to differ with you:

duke:~# apt-cache policy acroread
acroread:
  Installed: 5.07-woody0.0
  Candidate: 5.07-woody0.0
  Version Table:
 *** 5.07-woody0.0 0
500 http://marillat.free.fr testing/main Packages
500 http://marillat.free.fr unstable/main Packages

Poking around on marillat.free.fr, it looks like it only has i386
binaries, not PPC.  I'd be surprised if Adobe ever put out a Linux-PPC
acroread.

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Re: pdf readers

2003-08-14 Thread gaspard


On Tue, 12 Aug 2003, MJM wrote:

 On Tuesday 12 August 2003 14:12, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Tue, 12 Aug 2003, MJM wrote:
 
  You could also install acroread on Linux...

 THinking about doing this.  I've done it from the upstream tarball on other
 installations.  Not finding a package in my current sources list.  I use
 stable.  I found unofficial sites for unstable with acroread:
 http://martin.quinson.free.fr/deb.html
 http://marillat.free.fr/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/Packages

 Is it OK to install packages for unstable on stable?  It seems unsavory.

I did it from de adobe website... although it is not very clean and more
work than apt-get, it worked.

Gaspard



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Re: pdf readers

2003-08-14 Thread gaspard


On Tue, 12 Aug 2003, MJM wrote:

 The navigation on non-Acrobat readers is rudimentary or non-existent.  Any
 way to improve navigation in them?  I'm reading a 2000+ page document so
 navigation would be helpful.

What about kghostview?

Although the the find function doesn't work, the rest of the navigation is
OK.

You could also install acroread on Linux...

Gaspard


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