Re: problem with modern desktops on Buster [RESOLVED]

2018-08-25 Thread Gary Dale
I've been back in Plasma 5 for a couple of days now. I think it was a 
kernel update that did the trick.



On 2018-08-06 03:03 PM, Gary Dale wrote:
When I rebooted my computer (AMD64/Buster) yesterday, I couldn't get 
Plasma to operate. After logging with sddm, the computer locked up 
hard (wouldn't respond to SysRq or Ctl-Alt-Del) before the desktop 
appeared.


I switched to Gnome which seems to work a little better but I was 
still getting lockups. I tried Gnome over Xorg in case it was a 
Wayland problem but that also seemed to have problems. It crashed 
overnight and left me with some panic text on the screen and the 
computer was locked up. I couldn't get much beyond the initial desktop 
display when I restarted.


I've been using Gnome Flashback (Metacity) for about 5 hours now, 
including a couple periods when the screen saver / lock kicked in, and 
it seems OK.


I'm not even sure where to report this problem since I can't identify 
a specific package that is causing it. However since Gnome Flashback 
seems to be working, I'd guess that it is in the flashier desktop 
elements.






Re: problem with modern desktops on Buster

2018-08-12 Thread deloptes
Dale Forsyth wrote:

> I've been using Gnome Flashback (Metacity) for about 5 hours now,
> including a couple periods when the screen saver / lock kicked in, and
> it seems OK.

I stayed ad KDE3 (now trinity desktop) it never fails as it is 15+y proven
technology

regards



Re: problem with modern desktops on Buster

2018-08-11 Thread Dale Forsyth
https://www.mycause.com.au/page/183259/a-smile-will-change-a-day-love-that-changed-my-world

From: Gary Dale 
Sent: Tuesday, 7 August 2018 5:03 AM
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: problem with modern desktops on Buster

When I rebooted my computer (AMD64/Buster) yesterday, I couldn't get
Plasma to operate. After logging with sddm, the computer locked up hard
(wouldn't respond to SysRq or Ctl-Alt-Del) before the desktop appeared.

I switched to Gnome which seems to work a little better but I was still
getting lockups. I tried Gnome over Xorg in case it was a Wayland
problem but that also seemed to have problems. It crashed overnight and
left me with some panic text on the screen and the computer was locked
up. I couldn't get much beyond the initial desktop display when I restarted.

I've been using Gnome Flashback (Metacity) for about 5 hours now,
including a couple periods when the screen saver / lock kicked in, and
it seems OK.

I'm not even sure where to report this problem since I can't identify a
specific package that is causing it. However since Gnome Flashback seems
to be working, I'd guess that it is in the flashier desktop elements.



Re: problem with modern desktops on Buster

2018-08-09 Thread Gary Dale

On 2018-08-08 12:13 AM, Gary Dale wrote:

On 2018-08-07 07:13 AM, Jonathan Dowland wrote:

On Mon, Aug 06, 2018 at 03:03:57PM -0400, Gary Dale wrote:
I'm not even sure where to report this problem since I can't 
identify a specific package that is causing it. However since Gnome 
Flashback seems to be working, I'd guess that it is in the flashier 
desktop elements.


You can report a bug against the pseudo-package "general" if you aren't
sure what's at fault, but it's possibly better to ask here first, as you
have, to see if people can help narrow down the problem.

What graphics hardware do you have (e.g. nvidia), and have you installed
any drivers from outside Debian to use it?

Thanks. I'm thrilled to report that I'm back in Plasma and it is 
behaving itself again (so far) after doing the latest full-upgrade.


As for non-debian drivers, I don't have any. The worst I've done is 
include non-free firmware for my NIC.


Despite my earlier success with Gnome Flashback, it took to locking up 
when I tried to bring the computer back after the screen saver kicked 
in. Turning off the suspend mode cured that. I note that under KDE, I 
actually have just been locking the screen.


Hopefully whatever nastiness caused me two days of pain using Gnome 
Flashback has been resolved.




That situation lasted until my next reboot.  Now I'm back to where it 
was, except the Gnome Flashback seems to be having trouble when coming 
back from the screensaver. I'm now using xfce which uses the 
Xscreensaver. It's been OK for 24 hours but I've just adjusted the 
screen saver to turn off the monitor when it kicks in. I'll see how that 
pans out.


Last night's updates didn't fix the problem and I haven't seen anything 
in tonight's that looked hopeful.


My hardware is Ryzen 7, ASUS x-370, 16G RAM, ASUS HD-7850 video, Samsung 
960 EVO M2 ssd, and various HDs in a RAID 5 array.


Everything was running great until a few days ago. When I first set up 
the system, I got the occasional lockup but a few UEFI updates and the 
latest kernels seemed to have ended that. Now the lockups are highly 
repeatable (e.g. starting Plasma 5).




Re: problem with modern desktops on Buster

2018-08-07 Thread Gary Dale

On 2018-08-07 07:13 AM, Jonathan Dowland wrote:

On Mon, Aug 06, 2018 at 03:03:57PM -0400, Gary Dale wrote:
I'm not even sure where to report this problem since I can't identify 
a specific package that is causing it. However since Gnome Flashback 
seems to be working, I'd guess that it is in the flashier desktop 
elements.


You can report a bug against the pseudo-package "general" if you aren't
sure what's at fault, but it's possibly better to ask here first, as you
have, to see if people can help narrow down the problem.

What graphics hardware do you have (e.g. nvidia), and have you installed
any drivers from outside Debian to use it?

Thanks. I'm thrilled to report that I'm back in Plasma and it is 
behaving itself again (so far) after doing the latest full-upgrade.


As for non-debian drivers, I don't have any. The worst I've done is 
include non-free firmware for my NIC.


Despite my earlier success with Gnome Flashback, it took to locking up 
when I tried to bring the computer back after the screen saver kicked 
in. Turning off the suspend mode cured that. I note that under KDE, I 
actually have just been locking the screen.


Hopefully whatever nastiness caused me two days of pain using Gnome 
Flashback has been resolved.




Re: problem with modern desktops on Buster

2018-08-07 Thread Jonathan Dowland

On Mon, Aug 06, 2018 at 03:03:57PM -0400, Gary Dale wrote:
I'm not even sure where to report this problem since I can't identify 
a specific package that is causing it. However since Gnome Flashback 
seems to be working, I'd guess that it is in the flashier desktop 
elements.


You can report a bug against the pseudo-package "general" if you aren't
sure what's at fault, but it's possibly better to ask here first, as you
have, to see if people can help narrow down the problem.

What graphics hardware do you have (e.g. nvidia), and have you installed
any drivers from outside Debian to use it?

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problem with modern desktops on Buster

2018-08-06 Thread Gary Dale
When I rebooted my computer (AMD64/Buster) yesterday, I couldn't get 
Plasma to operate. After logging with sddm, the computer locked up hard 
(wouldn't respond to SysRq or Ctl-Alt-Del) before the desktop appeared.


I switched to Gnome which seems to work a little better but I was still 
getting lockups. I tried Gnome over Xorg in case it was a Wayland 
problem but that also seemed to have problems. It crashed overnight and 
left me with some panic text on the screen and the computer was locked 
up. I couldn't get much beyond the initial desktop display when I restarted.


I've been using Gnome Flashback (Metacity) for about 5 hours now, 
including a couple periods when the screen saver / lock kicked in, and 
it seems OK.


I'm not even sure where to report this problem since I can't identify a 
specific package that is causing it. However since Gnome Flashback seems 
to be working, I'd guess that it is in the flashier desktop elements.