Re: Restore point needed
On Sat, 07 Jul 2012 19:49:10 +0200, Slavko wrote: Dňa Sat, 7 Jul 2012 14:44:53 + (UTC) Camaleón noela...@gmail.com napísal: I send a mail but I was'nt suscribe. There's no need to be subscribed to post to this mailing list, I neither am. IMO, this is notice about CC, because he will not get the ML responses. I get replies and still not subscribed ;-) Hint: mailing list archives and/or nntp do the trick. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jtbrv9$s8h$6...@dough.gmane.org
Re: Restore point needed
On 07/07/12 11:01 PM, cletusjenkins wrote: On Sat, 07 Jul 2012 07:57:52 -0700 Gary Dalegaryd...@rogers.com wrote Windows needs restore points because you can't easily separate out user settings from system settings and trying to restore a corrupted system is a major pain. You can't even easily figure out which particular part of Windows is going wrong. Generally you end up having to search Microsoft's knowledge base to find out what causes which problem. With Linux, restoring is fairly quick and easy - not to mention rarely needed. Generally you can fix individual packages thanks to its modular structure, open sources and mature diagnostic tools. Those advantages of linux and debian in particular I think would make this much easier to implement than under windows. And could make things easier for non-computer people if they tinker beyond their ability. It might be a good learning event for them, but so many people, even those who like to tinker, can easily get to the (admittedly whiny) point of why doesn't this just work!! People can always complain. However the why doesn't this just work!! is more appropriate for Windows than for Linux. In Linux, my printers, even the old ones, are recognized, as are all my other devices. In Windows, I often have to hunt down arcane drivers to get something to be detected properly. While Windows 7 is said have resolved this (indeed, an editor recently said so in a published reply to my e-mail on the subject), in fact it only properly recognizes recent devices. Linux just works with far more devices than Windows, in addition to being able to run on older hardware. Debian stable is a masterful piece of work. It doesn't need a failsafe. However, I believe you have a point about some of the more frequent release distros. Ubuntu comes to mind as something that needs a rollback mechanism. Unfortunately, the ability to roll back a LTS release would take gigabytes of storage. This is something that Windows doesn't allow either. Once you upgrade, you're stuck with the new release. The more mundane bug-fix upgrades are invariably safe while new software installs can generally be undone by removing the packages. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4ff99262.1010...@rogers.com
Re: Restore point needed
El 2012-07-07 a las 19:54 -0700, cletusjenkins escribió: (resending to the list) (www.higiene.edu.uy). I think - if possible for developpers -, that a restore point could be a great step forward. Uh? You man something like the Windows restore points? I've seen nothing like that for Linux but yes, it would great for users having a similar option although I barely have used it, in Windows, I mean. With debian's packaging system, it could (in theory) be easy code something to save copies of configuration files somewhere. If a problem was found, the rolling back to the restore point could basically be reinstalling the old deb for the package (or possibly restoring saved copies of the original binaries along with the config files) then restoring the old config files. Making this play nice with with dpkg with pinning or some other method might be a bit tricky though. But then again I am NOT a developer. Yes, I see no technical problem for having such option here but regardless the possibility on having that tool (not available yet) you still can make use of the snapshot repository to get an older deb package, for instance, when an upadate renders the new one unusable or simply is broken. Anyway, using the stable version of Debian (now Squeeze) should prevent for that things to happen because only security patches are going through the update routine and that's precissely one of the reasons for recommending stable releases for production systems and servers: things break less :-) My job requires me to do a lot of work with windows machines and although I do not use restore points it is an interesting idea. I used it once on a friends laptop he got infected and it wasn't nearly as perfect as microsoft claims, it did get them system in a semi-working situation where I could clean the virus out (prior to that the virus had hijacked all major binaries so I couldn't get online, get a command prompt or even browse the harddrive!!). Yes, I also have a bunch of windows systems to administer so I also have faced malware situations but in my case, restore points were of no use becasue of the nature of the malware (viruses are eaiser to remove but rootkits are a real pain and you can't get rid of them by restoring the system to a previous state...). Part of my job is to push security patches to (non-virtual) windows hosts, if we introduce a problem with the patches we have a Ghost network that can push out a Known good image and run a script to set the machines specific host info. It can be bit of hassle trying to get the specific apps (proprietary telco stuff) back, but it is a lot faster than trying to manually fix a bunch of systems. That's similar to what virtual machines provide by menas of the snapshots, which I also find really useful. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120708140138.gb6...@stt008.linux.site
Re: Restore point needed
On Fri, Jul 06, 2012 at 11:23:23PM BST, Leo wrote: Hi!: I send a mail but I was'nt suscribe. I am from Uruguay, We use Linux system till a lot of years in our servers. (www.higiene.edu.uy). I think - if possible for developpers -, that a restore point could be a great step forward. When I make an : aptitude safe-upgrade, never I will now if I will have same problems or now. If iIhave troubles, I c'ant revenir en arriere, (come back). Thank you for pay attention at this sibject. Use 'etckeeper' to keep your /etc configuration files in a VCS[0]. [0] git, hg, ... Regards, -- rjc -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120707092836.ga...@linuxstuff.pl
Re: Restore point needed
On Fri, Jul 06, 2012 at 07:23:23PM -0300, Leo wrote: I think - if possible for developpers -, that a restore point could be a great step forward. When I make an : aptitude safe-upgrade, never I will now if I will have same problems or now. If iIhave troubles, I c'ant revenir en arriere, (come back). Thank you for pay attention at this sibject. Did you already consider using LVM and its snapshot capability? Cheers Armin signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Restore point needed
On Fri, 06 Jul 2012 19:23:23 -0300, Leo wrote: Hi!: Hi Leo but please, avoid using html formatted posts. Thanks. I send a mail but I was'nt suscribe. There's no need to be subscribed to post to this mailing list, I neither am. I am from Uruguay, Bienvenido pues :-) There's a Spanish speaking mailing list (debian-user-spanish), you can also post to there, in Spanish, of course. We use Linux system till a lot of years in our servers. (www.higiene.edu.uy). I think - if possible for developpers -, that a restore point could be a great step forward. Uh? You man something like the Windows restore points? I've seen nothing like that for Linux but yes, it would great for users having a similar option although I barely have used it, in Windows, I mean. When I make an : aptitude safe-upgrade, never I will now if I will have same problems or now. If iIhave troubles, I c'ant revenir en arriere, (come back). Well, that's what virtual machines and clone testing machines are for: before applying an update (or dist-upgrading the production servers) you first try in the testing computers to see how it goes; should it fails, you stop and analyze what went wrong before proceeding with the rest of the systems :-) Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/jt9i15$2af$1...@dough.gmane.org
Re: Restore point needed
On 06/07/12 06:23 PM, Leo wrote: Hi!: I send a mail but I was'nt suscribe. I am from Uruguay, We use Linux system till a lot of years in our servers. (www.higiene.edu.uy http://www.higiene.edu.uy). I think - if possible for developpers -, that a restore point could be a great step forward. When I make an : aptitude safe-upgrade, never I will now if I will have same problems or now. If iIhave troubles, I c'ant revenir en arriere, (come back). Thank you for pay attention at this sibject. Windows needs restore points because you can't easily separate out user settings from system settings and trying to restore a corrupted system is a major pain. You can't even easily figure out which particular part of Windows is going wrong. Generally you end up having to search Microsoft's knowledge base to find out what causes which problem. With Linux, restoring is fairly quick and easy - not to mention rarely needed. Generally you can fix individual packages thanks to its modular structure, open sources and mature diagnostic tools.
Re: Restore point needed
Hi, Dňa Sat, 7 Jul 2012 14:44:53 + (UTC) Camaleón noela...@gmail.com napísal: I send a mail but I was'nt suscribe. There's no need to be subscribed to post to this mailing list, I neither am. IMO, this is notice about CC, because he will not get the ML responses. regards -- Slavko http://slavino.sk signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Restore point needed
On 07/06/12 15:23, Leo wrote: We use Linux system till a lot of years in our servers. (www.higiene.edu.uy). I think - if possible for developpers -, that a restore point could be a great step forward. When I make an : aptitude safe-upgrade, never I will now if I will have same problems or now. If iIhave troubles, I c'ant revenir en arriere, (come back). This book explains principles and techniques for data and system backup and recovery: http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780596102463.do One approach would be to take images of your system drive (using a live CD, zerofree, dd, gzip, etc.) prior to updates. I've been using Norton Ghost 2003 for many years for Wintel machines. Be sure to get the 2003 version because it has key features not found in later versions (such as the creation of bootable floppy disks with Ghost): http://www.amazon.com/Norton-Ghost-2003-OLD-VERSION/dp/B6FXML An ongoing challenge with Ghost 2003 is getting the updates, as it uses their LiveUpdate system and is no longer supported OOTB. Symantec used to have a solution here, but the page is now missing. I have initiated a technical support request: http://service1.symantec.com/Support/sharedtech.nsf/docid/2007010219171513 HTH, David -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4ff8cbc9.1070...@holgerdanske.com
restore point needed
Hi!: I'am from Uruguay. I'm using Linux till. 10 years for all servers in my education institution (www.higiene.edu.uy). I think it could be un ENORMOUS contribution, if we can make all upgrades without care of loos all previous configuration. It would be a great step forward, if Linux generaitors could developpe something like step back, if something is not working fine when we make an: aptitude safe-upgrade. Thank you very much for all your work. Leo Matteo lmat...@higiene.edu.uy Los felicito a todos los que contribuyren a tener un sistema operativo formidable y de uso mundial y de licencia publica. Prof. Leonardo Matteo Facultad de Medicina Universidad de la Republica Montevideo - Uruguay
Restore point needed
Hi!: I send a mail but I was'nt suscribe. I am from Uruguay, We use Linux system till a lot of years in our servers. (www.higiene.edu.uy). I think - if possible for developpers -, that a restore point could be a great step forward. When I make an : aptitude safe-upgrade, never I will now if I will have same problems or now. If iIhave troubles, I c'ant revenir en arriere, (come back). Thank you for pay attention at this sibject. Muchas gracias. Prof. Leonardo Matteo Facultad de Medicina Universidad de la Republica Montevideo - Uruguay lmat...@higiene.edu.uy
