sh (was Re: About standards Was: Re: Debian Installer 7.0 Beta4 release)
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 11:30:20AM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Also very nice is the output of $ ls -l /bin/sh for Ubuntu it's not bash. For modern Debian installations it's not bash either. Switching /bin/sh to dash by default was done principally to make boot times quicker (dash is smaller and faster to load than bash). Are you actually running Debian, at the moment? I've seen a few statements about you running Ubuntu, or Arch, or similar, and I often wonder why you are posting to debian-user in that case… of course you may be using more than one, in different places. Just curious. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121127120234.GE8359@debian
Re: sh (was Re: About standards Was: Re: Debian Installer 7.0 Beta4 release)
On Tue, 2012-11-27 at 12:02 +, Jon Dowland wrote: On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 11:30:20AM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Also very nice is the output of $ ls -l /bin/sh for Ubuntu it's not bash. For modern Debian installations it's not bash either. Switching /bin/sh to dash by default was done principally to make boot times quicker (dash is smaller and faster to load than bash). Does it really carry weight? Are you actually running Debian, at the moment? I've seen a few statements about you running Ubuntu, or Arch, or similar, and I often wonder why you are posting to debian-user in that case… of course you may be using more than one, in different places. Just curious. I'm using the install that does work the best, this could change just by one update. At the moment none of my Linux does fit to my needs. There's no clean Debian, but AVlinux 5.0.3 on my machine $ cat /media/spinymouse/avlinux/etc/issue Debian GNU/Linux 6.0 \n \l and it's really close to a clean Debian install. Regards, Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1354022955.2508.872.camel@q
Re: sh (was Re: About standards Was: Re: Debian Installer 7.0 Beta4 release)
Le Mar 27 novembre 2012 14:29, Ralf Mardorf a écrit : On Tue, 2012-11-27 at 12:02 +, Jon Dowland wrote: On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 11:30:20AM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Also very nice is the output of $ ls -l /bin/sh for Ubuntu it's not bash. For modern Debian installations it's not bash either. Switching /bin/sh to dash by default was done principally to make boot times quicker (dash is smaller and faster to load than bash). Does it really carry weight? http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/dash 248k http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/bash 3536k Without dependencies, of course :) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/12de9b2de027513074e21d6f15f135ed.squir...@www.sud-ouest.org
Re: sh (was Re: About standards Was: Re: Debian Installer 7.0 Beta4 release)
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 02:29:15PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Does it really carry weight? With sysvinit, which spawns a lot of sh instances, yes. With something like systemd, no - it tries to solve the same problem in part by not spawning a shell lots of times. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121127145900.GB15117@debian
Re: sh (was Re: About standards Was: Re: Debian Installer 7.0 Beta4 release)
On Tuesday 27 November 2012 12:02:34 Jon Dowland wrote: For modern Debian installations it's not bash either. Switching /bin/sh to dash by default was done principally to make boot times quicker (dash is smaller and faster to load than bash). Thanks for the information, Jon. I hadn't realised that! I've merrily carried on using bash. :-/ Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201211271511.54845.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: sh (was Re: About standards Was: Re: Debian Installer 7.0 Beta4 release)
Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com writes: On Tuesday 27 November 2012 12:02:34 Jon Dowland wrote: For modern Debian installations it's not bash either. Switching /bin/sh to dash by default was done principally to make boot times quicker (dash is smaller and faster to load than bash). Thanks for the information, Jon. I hadn't realised that! I've merrily carried on using bash. :-/ One of the reasons dash is smaller is that it simply has fewer features than bash. I didn't bother to lookup the difference, but IIRC dash aims for strict POSIX compliance and not much else. If you like the extra features you get with bash as your login shell, go ahead and continue using it. It does not really matter what you use for your personal scripts and as your login shell. If hundreds of scripts are being run at boot time, it makes a difference that dash is quicker to start. -- regards, kushal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/50b4e596.aa54420a.2c7e.4...@mx.google.com
Re: sh (was Re: About standards Was: Re: Debian Installer 7.0 Beta4 release)
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 03:11:54PM +, Lisi Reisz wrote: Thanks for the information, Jon. I hadn't realised that! I've merrily carried on using bash. :-/ Bash is a lot friendlier and better suited as a login or interactive shell. The startup time is not so important for that situation. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20121127171838.GB17007@debian
