Re: single device to replace ADSL router, WiFi/Ethernet router, SIP router?

2012-01-05 Thread Oliver Kiddle
On 26 Dec, Cam Hutchison wrote:
 Paul Wise p...@debian.org writes:
 
 I'm looking for a single device (to reduce cabling) to replace this:
 
   * it needs to run Debian or have at least some potential to do
 that. I don't want to have to deal with any pre-installed OSes,
 custom old OpenWRT builds running Linux 2.4 or other stupidity.
   * it needs either FXO/FXS ports or some sort of cordless phone
 integrated with it.
   * it needs to have ADSL2+ support, 
   * it needs WiFi, preferably something supported by ath5k/ath9k or
 OpenFWWF
   * it needs 4 Ethernet ports, speed isn't too important
   * it needs to either support coreboot or not be x86 (ARM/MIPS/etc)
   * it needs to be unbrickable, via semi-read-only secondary
 bootloader or whatever.
   * internal SATA or eSATA would be nice so that it has useful
 amounts of storage and can be used as a NAS
   * a few USB ports would be nice
   * some hardware expandability would be nice, miniPCI or whatever
 
 One device that comes close is the FritzBox 7390:
   http://www.fritzbox.eu/en/products/FRITZBox_Fon_WLAN_7390/index.php

They're decent devices. The default firmware is really quite flexible
and I've not bothered hacking it since I got a newer model. It handles
DECT, ISDN and analogue phones along with SIP to my Nokia N900 or
desktop. Outgoing calls can be intelligently routed so I can configure
different phone companies depending on the destination phone number. I've
also got one of their custom phones, the main advantage of which is that
you can edit the addressbook from the web interface.

  The big problem holding me back from this is that there does seem
to be  a hacking community, but it's all in German (not surprising,
since AVM  is a German manufacturer).

The main hacking community I'm aware of is at freetz.org. Much of their
wiki is in English (some of it translated by me). freetz is actually a
modification of the default firmware to add some extra stuff and remove
unnecessary bits. I think they keep the original kernel because of some
necessary binary blobs. The other main resource is
http://www.wehavemorefun.de/fritzbox/
but that is more concerned with the default firmware and is largely all
in German.  At a simpler level, you can enable telnet and put
a Debian chroot on a USB stick but there isn't a great deal of RAM left
for anything you might want to run in the chroot.

Anyway, if you want help in English or translations of any key pages
that are in German, feel free to contact me.

Oliver


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Re: single device to replace ADSL router, WiFi/Ethernet router, SIP router?

2012-01-03 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 6:15 AM, Paul Wise p...@debian.org wrote:
 Hi all,

 I'm looking for a way to replace my current home network infrastructure
 with a single device running Debian.

paul, hi,

if you're still on the mad scheme of doing everything in a single box,
to give yourself hell _and_ high water for the purposes of reducing
that rats nets by a mere oo 30%, here's a product that apparently
actually exists, is in stock, and might err... well i'd say it'd help
but it's best if i say that it'll get you towards the goal :)

ADSL2+ PCI modem from linitx.com:

 http://linitx.com/viewproduct.php?prodid=12181

l.


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Re: single device to replace ADSL router, WiFi/Ethernet router, SIP router?

2011-12-25 Thread Cam Hutchison
Paul Wise p...@debian.org writes:

I'm looking for a single device (to reduce cabling) to replace this:

  * it needs to run Debian or have at least some potential to do
that. I don't want to have to deal with any pre-installed OSes,
custom old OpenWRT builds running Linux 2.4 or other stupidity.
  * it needs either FXO/FXS ports or some sort of cordless phone
integrated with it.
  * it needs to have ADSL2+ support, 
  * it needs WiFi, preferably something supported by ath5k/ath9k or
OpenFWWF
  * it needs 4 Ethernet ports, speed isn't too important
  * it needs to either support coreboot or not be x86 (ARM/MIPS/etc)
  * it needs to be unbrickable, via semi-read-only secondary
bootloader or whatever.
  * internal SATA or eSATA would be nice so that it has useful
amounts of storage and can be used as a NAS
  * a few USB ports would be nice
  * some hardware expandability would be nice, miniPCI or whatever

One device that comes close is the FritzBox 7390:
  http://www.fritzbox.eu/en/products/FRITZBox_Fon_WLAN_7390/index.php

The big problem holding me back from this is that there does seem to be
a hacking community, but it's all in German (not surprising, since AVM
is a German manufacturer).

I've lost track of this product over the last year or so, so I'm not sure
where the hacking community is on it - perhaps there's more English
resources by now.

I don't know where in the world you live, so this may not be available
to you. It came to Australia earlier this year (2011).



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Re: single device to replace ADSL router, WiFi/Ethernet router, SIP router?

2011-12-23 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 11:33:12PM +0100, Michelle Konzack wrote:
 Sangoma has only the S518 card which is an old outdated ADSL card  which
 support only 8 Mbit RAW downstream and 762 kbit RAW upstream.

They had an S519 but apparently stopped making it.  The S518 is very
much outdated and requires some non-free firmware too.

 Paul and me searching for ADSL2+ with at least 16 Mbit IP downstraam and
 over 1 Mbit IP upstream.
 
 My current crap router of an Alice-Box make ~16,8 Mbit down and 1,4 Mbit
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Re: single device to replace ADSL router, WiFi/Ethernet router, SIP router?

2011-12-22 Thread Rob J. Epping
Hi Paul,

Interesting question. I'm also interested in what devices come out of
this discussion.

On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 7:15 AM, Paul Wise p...@debian.org wrote:
 Hi all,

 I'm looking for a way to replace my current home network infrastructure
 with a single device running Debian. I currently have these devices:

[SNIP: Siemens SpeedStream 4200, Netgear WGR614L, Minitar MVA11A, old
Panasonic cordless phone]

 I'm looking for a single device (to reduce cabling) to replace this:

Are you looking for embedded device or PC-style (mainboard with
extension cards) solution.

      * it needs to run Debian or have at least some potential to do
        that. I don't want to have to deal with any pre-installed OSes,
        custom old OpenWRT builds running Linux 2.4 or other stupidity.

OpenWRT would be my choice for embedded devices. I currently run 2.6
kernel on 2 WRT54G devices (as AP) and have no issues.

      * it needs either FXO/FXS ports or some sort of cordless phone
        integrated with it.

There are WiFi SIP phones out there. With a SIP provider there is no
need for any analog connection.
Also some OpenWRT supported devices have FXO/FXS. It's worth wile to
have a look at OpenWRT's table of hardware [1]

[1] http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/start

      * it needs to have ADSL2+ support,

The ADSL (PCI-)cards I found all implement a modem with a network
card. The network card is detected by the OS and you manage the ADSL
modem by telnet. Other than the cable there is no advantage.

[SNIP, some more items]

One device I think may be compatible with your list is the AVM
FRITZ!Box Fon WLAN 7170, which is on OpenWRT toh.

My setup is split into multiple boxes, but cabling wise I think it's manageable.
I have a Speedtouch ST780WL in PPPoA  to PPTP mode, a PCengines ALIX
board with OpenWRT on CF and a separate switch.
I do not use VoIP.

GRTNX,
RobJE


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Re: single device to replace ADSL router, WiFi/Ethernet router, SIP router?

2011-12-22 Thread Sander
Rob J. Epping wrote (ao):
  ? ? ?* it needs to have ADSL2+ support,
 
 The ADSL (PCI-)cards I found all implement a modem with a network
 card. The network card is detected by the OS and you manage the ADSL
 modem by telnet. Other than the cable there is no advantage.

I have a Traverse Solos ADSL2+ 2 port PCI card.

http://www.traverse.com.au/productview.php?range_id=2

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Re: single device to replace ADSL router, WiFi/Ethernet router, SIP router?

2011-12-22 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 6:15 AM, Paul Wise p...@debian.org wrote:
 Hi all,

 I'm looking for a way to replace my current home network infrastructure
 with a single device running Debian. I currently have these devices:

      * Siemens SpeedStream 4200. This is an ADSL2+ modem running the
        supplied OS. It is running in bridge mode, DSL port plugged into
        the wall phone jack via the ADSL splitter and the Ethernet port
        is plugged into the Netgear WGR614L router/switch.
      * Netgear WGR614L. This is a router, Ethernet switch and WiFi AP,
        currently running an old patched up custom build of OpenWRT. Its
        WAN port connects to the SpeedStream and talks PPPoE to my ISP
        via the SpeedStream. The four Ethernet ports are a switch,
        plugged into a PC and the Minitar MVA11A.
      * Minitar MVA11A. This is a SIP router with FXO/FXS ports and an
        Ethernet port. FXO port plugs into the wall phone jack via the
        ADSL splitter, FXS into the cordless phone, Ethernet into the
        WGR614L.
      * old Panasonic cordless phone

 paul,

 not being funny or anything, but i did a single-box setup.  got an
ADSL PCI modem card (which required non-free firmware) and got an
expensive but recommended digicom Asterisk dual-FXO/FXS PCI card which
required a special kernel compile that destabilised the whole system.

 yes it worked, but to be honest the number of cables wasn't
significantly reduced.  i still had to have a WIFI router, i still had
to have an 8-port ethernet switch, i still had to have 3 sets of
telephone wires.

 in other words, for an approximately 20% reduction in rats nest, i
got a f*** of a lot of hassle, had to set up firewalling which would
otherwise be dealt with by the router box, had to deal with IP MASQ
(which would otherwise be dealt with by the router box), had to learn
how to set up, configure and maintain asterisk.

 bottom line is: i won't be doing that ever again.

 a much better setup would be something like wot phil hands has: he
runs freeswitch, has had his telephone ported to an Internet Service,
then gets freeswitch to ring his mobile (N900), the home landline, the
desktop SIP phone _and_ the Nokia N900 (as a SIP client).

 of course, that means having a leased server, but at least then the
wires aren't in your living room.  if you can't afford a wholle leased
server, xenhosting.co.uk do really low-cost XEN VMs for something
ridiculously low like £15 per month, last time i checked.

 l.


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Re: single device to replace ADSL router, WiFi/Ethernet router, SIP router?

2011-12-22 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 02:15:40PM +0800, Paul Wise wrote:
 I'm looking for a way to replace my current home network infrastructure
 with a single device running Debian. I currently have these devices:
 
   * Siemens SpeedStream 4200. This is an ADSL2+ modem running the
 supplied OS. It is running in bridge mode, DSL port plugged into
 the wall phone jack via the ADSL splitter and the Ethernet port
 is plugged into the Netgear WGR614L router/switch.
   * Netgear WGR614L. This is a router, Ethernet switch and WiFi AP,
 currently running an old patched up custom build of OpenWRT. Its
 WAN port connects to the SpeedStream and talks PPPoE to my ISP
 via the SpeedStream. The four Ethernet ports are a switch,
 plugged into a PC and the Minitar MVA11A.
   * Minitar MVA11A. This is a SIP router with FXO/FXS ports and an
 Ethernet port. FXO port plugs into the wall phone jack via the
 ADSL splitter, FXS into the cordless phone, Ethernet into the
 WGR614L.
   * old Panasonic cordless phone
 
 I'm looking for a single device (to reduce cabling) to replace this:
 
   * it needs to run Debian or have at least some potential to do
 that. I don't want to have to deal with any pre-installed OSes,
 custom old OpenWRT builds running Linux 2.4 or other stupidity.
   * it needs either FXO/FXS ports or some sort of cordless phone
 integrated with it.
   * it needs to have ADSL2+ support, 
   * it needs WiFi, preferably something supported by ath5k/ath9k or
 OpenFWWF
   * it needs 4 Ethernet ports, speed isn't too important
   * it needs to either support coreboot or not be x86 (ARM/MIPS/etc)
   * it needs to be unbrickable, via semi-read-only secondary
 bootloader or whatever.
   * internal SATA or eSATA would be nice so that it has useful
 amounts of storage and can be used as a NAS
   * a few USB ports would be nice
   * some hardware expandability would be nice, miniPCI or whatever

Honestly, that's not realistic.  Too weird a combined featureset.
Especially the cordless phone bit.

A quick search found a Quick Eagle DL710 (never heard of them) which
has 3 100Mbit ethernet ports, SIP, ADSL2+, 2 FXS, 1 FXO.  That isn't 4
ports though.  Almost certainly can't run Debian either.  Most APs are
way too low in specs to run a full OS.
http://www.aceex.com.tw/L3AWVR11.html is another (which has 4 ethernet
ports).  Neither matches all your requirements, especially for the OS.

If you were willing to spend a lot of money on it, you could build a PC
that did all that.  Sangoma makes FXS/FXO cards and ADSL2+ cards for PCs.

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Re: single device to replace ADSL router, WiFi/Ethernet router, SIP router?

2011-12-22 Thread Adrian Levi
On Dec 22, 2011 4:16 PM, Paul Wise p...@debian.org wrote:

 Hi all,

 I'm looking for a way to replace my current home network infrastructure
 with a single device running Debian. I currently have these devices:

Billion Bipac 7404vgnox does what you want except for cordless phone, local
storage and Debian.

HTH Adrian


Re: single device to replace ADSL router, WiFi/Ethernet router, SIP router?

2011-12-22 Thread Michelle Konzack
Hello Paul Wise,

Am 2011-12-22 14:15:40, hacktest Du folgendes herunter:
 I'm looking for a single device (to reduce cabling) to replace this:
 
   * it needs to run Debian or have at least some potential to do
 that. I don't want to have to deal with any pre-installed OSes,
 custom old OpenWRT builds running Linux 2.4 or other stupidity.
   * it needs either FXO/FXS ports or some sort of cordless phone
 integrated with it.
   * it needs to have ADSL2+ support, 
   * it needs WiFi, preferably something supported by ath5k/ath9k or
 OpenFWWF
   * it needs 4 Ethernet ports, speed isn't too important
   * it needs to either support coreboot or not be x86 (ARM/MIPS/etc)
   * it needs to be unbrickable, via semi-read-only secondary
 bootloader or whatever.
   * internal SATA or eSATA would be nice so that it has useful
 amounts of storage and can be used as a NAS
   * a few USB ports would be nice
   * some hardware expandability would be nice, miniPCI or whatever

Örgs!

This sounds for a

1)  Marvel Discovery MV78100 (Singel-Core 1 GEth)
or MV78200 (Dual-Core 2 GEth)

2)  Marvel 4 port 10/100/1000 Mbit Hub with one MII Interface
3)  The Discovery MV78x00 has 2 SATA Ports

4)  Connexatn ADS2+ Chipset = Mini-PCIe
5)  CologeChip XHFC-2S4U-34SU   = Mini-PCIe
6)  Atheros WifiChip= Mini-PCIe
7)  TI 2port USB 3.0 PCIe Transceiver   = Mini-PCIe

8)  The MV78100 has two PCIe 4x ports which can be splited
into 8x PCIe 1x...  Ist this enough for you?
which mean, you will have 4 free Mni-PCIe 1x ports

I am working on the Mini-ITX Board with the MV78100/MV78200  but  it  is
the hell. People calling me crazy, but if I see your requirements...
...it is exactly what I need too and what I develop!

Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening
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Re: single device to replace ADSL router, WiFi/Ethernet router, SIP router?

2011-12-22 Thread Michelle Konzack
Hello Rob J. Epping,

 The ADSL (PCI-)cards I found all implement a modem with a network
 card. The network card is detected by the OS and you manage the ADSL
 modem by telnet. Other than the cable there is no advantage.

I have the need for a PCI 2.2 ADSL2+ card which I need to integrate into
a Server which has noly PCI-X Slots where normal PCI cards (one hole  in
the connector), but PCI-X is PCI 2.2 compatibel

Can you (or someone else) recommend me a PCI ADSL2+ card?

Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening
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Re: single device to replace ADSL router, WiFi/Ethernet router, SIP router?

2011-12-22 Thread Michelle Konzack
Hello Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton,

  not being funny or anything, but i did a single-box setup.  got an
 ADSL PCI modem card (which required non-free firmware)

Which PCI ADSL2+ Modem card?

Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening
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Re: single device to replace ADSL router, WiFi/Ethernet router, SIP router?

2011-12-22 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 11:02:29PM +0100, Michelle Konzack wrote:
 This sounds for a
 
 1)  Marvel Discovery MV78100 (Singel-Core 1 GEth)
 or MV78200 (Dual-Core 2 GEth)

Nice CPU.  Even has VFP (FPU).  Too bad it is ARMv5 so it can't run the
armhf Debian port.  Still armel isn't bad.

 2)  Marvel 4 port 10/100/1000 Mbit Hub with one MII Interface
 3)  The Discovery MV78x00 has 2 SATA Ports
 
 4)  Connexatn ADS2+ Chipset = Mini-PCIe
 5)  CologeChip XHFC-2S4U-34SU   = Mini-PCIe
 6)  Atheros WifiChip= Mini-PCIe
 7)  TI 2port USB 3.0 PCIe Transceiver   = Mini-PCIe
 
 8)  The MV78100 has two PCIe 4x ports which can be splited
 into 8x PCIe 1x...  Ist this enough for you?
 which mean, you will have 4 free Mni-PCIe 1x ports
 
 I am working on the Mini-ITX Board with the MV78100/MV78200  but  it  is
 the hell. People calling me crazy, but if I see your requirements...
 ...it is exactly what I need too and what I develop!

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Re: single device to replace ADSL router, WiFi/Ethernet router, SIP router?

2011-12-22 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 11:07:08PM +0100, Michelle Konzack wrote:
 Hello Rob J. Epping,
 
  The ADSL (PCI-)cards I found all implement a modem with a network
  card. The network card is detected by the OS and you manage the ADSL
  modem by telnet. Other than the cable there is no advantage.
 
 I have the need for a PCI 2.2 ADSL2+ card which I need to integrate into
 a Server which has noly PCI-X Slots where normal PCI cards (one hole  in
 the connector), but PCI-X is PCI 2.2 compatibel
 
 Can you (or someone else) recommend me a PCI ADSL2+ card?

I was going to suggest the Samgoma S519 PCI ADSL2+ card, but apparently
they stopped making it.

There are others out there such as:
http://linitx.com/product/12181

Not that I know that one.

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Re: single device to replace ADSL router, WiFi/Ethernet router, SIP router?

2011-12-22 Thread Michelle Konzack
Hello Lennart Sorensen,

Am 2011-12-22 10:45:01, hacktest Du folgendes herunter:
 Sangoma makes FXS/FXO cards and ADSL2+ cards for PCs.

Sangoma has only the S518 card which is an old outdated ADSL card  which
support only 8 Mbit RAW downstream and 762 kbit RAW upstream.

Paul and me searching for ADSL2+ with at least 16 Mbit IP downstraam and
over 1 Mbit IP upstream.

My current crap router of an Alice-Box make ~16,8 Mbit down and 1,4 Mbit
upstream.

Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening
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Re: single device to replace ADSL router, WiFi/Ethernet router, SIP router?

2011-12-22 Thread Michelle Konzack
Hello Lennart Sorensen,

Am 2011-12-22 17:08:56, hacktest Du folgendes herunter:
 Nice CPU.  Even has VFP (FPU).  Too bad it is ARMv5 so it can't run the
 armhf Debian port.  Still armel isn't bad.

With some hacks I have gotten Debian/ARMEL runing on  it  without  using
the provided Closed-Source Blobs from Marvel.

Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening
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single device to replace ADSL router, WiFi/Ethernet router, SIP router?

2011-12-21 Thread Paul Wise
Hi all,

I'm looking for a way to replace my current home network infrastructure
with a single device running Debian. I currently have these devices:

  * Siemens SpeedStream 4200. This is an ADSL2+ modem running the
supplied OS. It is running in bridge mode, DSL port plugged into
the wall phone jack via the ADSL splitter and the Ethernet port
is plugged into the Netgear WGR614L router/switch.
  * Netgear WGR614L. This is a router, Ethernet switch and WiFi AP,
currently running an old patched up custom build of OpenWRT. Its
WAN port connects to the SpeedStream and talks PPPoE to my ISP
via the SpeedStream. The four Ethernet ports are a switch,
plugged into a PC and the Minitar MVA11A.
  * Minitar MVA11A. This is a SIP router with FXO/FXS ports and an
Ethernet port. FXO port plugs into the wall phone jack via the
ADSL splitter, FXS into the cordless phone, Ethernet into the
WGR614L.
  * old Panasonic cordless phone

I'm looking for a single device (to reduce cabling) to replace this:

  * it needs to run Debian or have at least some potential to do
that. I don't want to have to deal with any pre-installed OSes,
custom old OpenWRT builds running Linux 2.4 or other stupidity.
  * it needs either FXO/FXS ports or some sort of cordless phone
integrated with it.
  * it needs to have ADSL2+ support, 
  * it needs WiFi, preferably something supported by ath5k/ath9k or
OpenFWWF
  * it needs 4 Ethernet ports, speed isn't too important
  * it needs to either support coreboot or not be x86 (ARM/MIPS/etc)
  * it needs to be unbrickable, via semi-read-only secondary
bootloader or whatever.
  * internal SATA or eSATA would be nice so that it has useful
amounts of storage and can be used as a NAS
  * a few USB ports would be nice
  * some hardware expandability would be nice, miniPCI or whatever

-- 
bye,
pabs

http://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise


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