Re: star office debian-correct installation
On 06/10/01 17:37:44 -0400, Jonathan D. Proulx wrote: On Sun, Jun 10, 2001 at 01:50:16PM -0700, Mark Wagnon wrote: :This started the installation program I put it in :/usr/local/bin/soffice52. After the installation finished, I then :logged in as an unpriviledged user, and ran: : :$ /usr/local/bin/soffice52/program/setup AFAIR, if you run soffice as a regular user it will so the setup thing (and then exit so you must run soffice again) Never tried that. But that's nice to know if you just tell someone to run soffice and it sets itself up for you. Cool. :Then to run StarOffice, you would then run ~/office52/soffice. You :might want to add ~/office52 to your path. On my network install I symlinked /usr/local/Office5.2/program/soffice to /usr/local/bin/soffice, this works fine and is much simple. In fact I didn't realize I had a ~/office52/soffice, untill you pointed that out. Yeah, I used to do that with the earlier versions of SO that had each of the programs as standalone apps. I think that was something like version 3. Ever since it started placing files in ~, I just ran it from there. :You may need to log in as root, startx, then run the main SO :installation before running the user installation. You don't need to be root, using sudo is fine. If you don't know what sudo is, install it and read the man page then ask here, it's *very* useful. I've never used sudo. Whenever I need to do something as root, I use su. What's the difference? Is one better/more secure than the other? :Hope this helps. If you have any questions, I hope I can answer them. Wow, you really went the extra mile on this one, much respect. -Jon Well, I take and take, so when I get the opportunity to help, I try. Thanks for the encouragement! Cheers! -- Mark Wagnon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: star office debian-correct installation
Mark Wagnon wrote: Also, this installation occured on a system running woody, and I don't have java installed so I don't have java support in SO. -- Mark Wagnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] AFAIR you'll only need java when you use SO as a web brower and e-mail client (I think it uses java for PGP support). If you want java support make sure to get the right version from Blackdown. Frank
Re: star office debian-correct installation
On Sun, Jun 10, 2001 at 10:25:23PM -0700, Mark Wagnon wrote: On 06/10/01 17:37:44 -0400, Jonathan D. Proulx wrote: You don't need to be root, using sudo is fine. If you don't know what sudo is, install it and read the man page then ask here, it's *very* useful. I've never used sudo. Whenever I need to do something as root, I use su. What's the difference? Is one better/more secure than the other? That is a topic of much debate. In general, I fall on the sudo is evil side of the fence, but the basic arguments are: pro-sudo: It allows you to give limited root access to certain users without requiring that they know the root password. This allows you to distribute administrative tasks to various people without giving them full control of the machine. anti-sudo: It allows you to give limited root access to certain users without requiring that they know the root password. This allows an attacker to obtain elevated privileges on the machine by discovering only a user password instead of requiring that they find both a user password and the root password. IMO, one well-controlled point of vulnerability (the root password) is preferable to several uncontrolled points of vulnerability (user passwords). The only time I think sudo is worthwhile is on a multiuser machine where all admin power cannot. for whatever reason, be concentrated in a single person. And even then, you have to be very careful about what commands you allow to be run through sudo - if you can open a shell from something run under sudo, you've got a fully-empowered root shell, easy as that. -- That's not gibberish... It's Linux. - Byers, The Lone Gunmen Geek Code 3.12: GCS d? s+: a C++ UL$ P+ L+++ E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w--- O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv+ b+ DI D G e* h r y+
Re: star office debian-correct installation
On Sun, Jun 10, 2001 at 10:25:23PM -0700, Mark Wagnon wrote: :I've never used sudo. Whenever I need to do something as root, I use :su. What's the difference? Is one better/more secure than the other? I find that if I use su for an X application I need to meddle with my display security (xhost +localhost or somesuch), where as sudo does the right thing. sudo is more secure in a multi-administrator setting. It logs usage so you can see who issued what command as whom. You can tune permissions so that certain users or groups are allow or dissallowed commands. And it's revocable, you never have to give out the reall root password (users authenticate with their regular password), so if you need to revoke privilege you don't need to change the root password, also people cant leave the root password taped to the monitor, because they don't know it. -Jon
Re: star office debian-correct installation
On Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 09:10:40AM -0500, Dave Sherohman wrote: :That is a topic of much debate. In general, I fall on the sudo is evil :side of the fence, but the basic arguments are: snip :anti-sudo: It allows you to give limited root access to certain users :without requiring that they know the root password. This allows an :attacker to obtain elevated privileges on the machine by discovering :only a user password instead of requiring that they find both a user :password and the root password. obviously I'm on the other side of this most religious debate :) First, I've seen alot of interesting (and just plain dumb too) ways of breaking into Un*x boxen, but never this one. More importantly, if someone gets a local user there's a very high likelyhood they can force root easily from there. My security policy is based on the presumption that any local account equates to root. If I was cracking a box and had a choice beween a local root exploit and using sudo, I'd take the sploit as sudo does logging which I'd then need to go erase. Like wise, if you don't trust a user with full root access, for the love of $DIETY don't give them sudo. I'm sure even if you restricted the commands to /bin/true someone could find a way to root. In practice the people who have sudo also have root and we use sudo mostly to leave an audit trail. -jon
star office debian-correct installation
When I last checked Star Office was not a package in the stable distribution. For our small school, which I am about to switch from NT to Linux, Star Office appears to be the answer to our need for a bundle of stable office programs. We mainly need a smooth switchover from MS Word, Excel and Internet Explorer. Is there anything special in the Star Office install process that will conflict with debian package management? I have been very pleased with package management with debian. It has made my life easier and my system more sane. Any references for Debian Star Office installs? Thanks for previous help from list. Joe Golden The Stevens School _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Re: star office debian-correct installation
--- joe golden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I last checked Star Office was not a package in the stable distribution. For our small school, which I am about to switch from NT to Linux, Star Office appears to be the answer to our need for a bundle of stable office programs. We mainly need a smooth switchover from MS Word, Excel and Internet Explorer. Is there anything special in the Star Office install process that will conflict with debian package management? I have been very pleased with package management with debian. It has made my life easier and my system more sane. Any references for Debian Star Office installs? Thanks for previous help from list. Joe Golden The Stevens School _ Hi, The Star Office binary installer from Sun does a very nice job as a source installer. I have not yet tried to alien it so it can be recognized by the dpkg package system but it installs on a debian system w/o problems. The only thing that I wish it would do is to make a default entry in each users home directory for a system-wide install (installed as root). Right now for a system-wide install each user must install it as well choosing an option that does a minimal user install referencing the system-wide install. P.S. You might want to change your email website. Since MickeySloth (micros*ft) bought the service it has some rather icky riders in the end-user aggreement (as in anything sent thru the service becomes the intellectual property of MS). I've been fairly happy w/ linuxfreemail.com . It doesn't have all the nicer features of hotmail, but it is a good service that is almost always up (now that MS has switched from BSD servers to Win2K w/ IIS 5.0 the reliablity of the service is somewhat lacking IMHO. = Regards- Tim Stetson Whiskey Sour Nuhn O. Yobiznez Licq # 14373626 Why?.Why not?..Why not try? The rule of an inquisitive mind. __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
Re: star office debian-correct installation
oppurtunity could you mention wich commands to follow installing staroffice for debian? That is that I wasnot able to find a convention for installing non-debian software. Reading dutch manual bij Bezemer. www.dddi.nl (there is a part in english). Thanks in advance Frans Schreuder - Original Message - From: Nuhn Yobiznez [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: joe golden [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2001 9:10 PM Subject: Re: star office debian-correct installation --- joe golden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I last checked Star Office was not a package in the stable distribution. For our small school, which I am about to switch from NT to Linux, Star Office appears to be the answer to our need for a bundle of stable office programs. We mainly need a smooth switchover from MS Word, Excel and Internet Explorer. Is there anything special in the Star Office install process that will conflict with debian package management? I have been very pleased with package management with debian. It has made my life easier and my system more sane. Any references for Debian Star Office installs? Thanks for previous help from list. Joe Golden The Stevens School _ Hi, The Star Office binary installer from Sun does a very nice job as a source installer. I have not yet tried to alien it so it can be recognized by the dpkg package system but it installs on a debian system w/o problems. The only thing that I wish it would do is to make a default entry in each users home directory for a system-wide install (installed as root). Right now for a system-wide install each user must install it as well choosing an option that does a minimal user install referencing the system-wide install. P.S. You might want to change your email website. Since MickeySloth (micros*ft) bought the service it has some rather icky riders in the end-user aggreement (as in anything sent thru the service becomes the intellectual property of MS). I've been fairly happy w/ linuxfreemail.com . It doesn't have all the nicer features of hotmail, but it is a good service that is almost always up (now that MS has switched from BSD servers to Win2K w/ IIS 5.0 the reliablity of the service is somewhat lacking IMHO. = Regards- Tim Stetson Whiskey Sour Nuhn O. Yobiznez Licq # 14373626 Why?.Why not?..Why not try? The rule of an inquisitive mind. __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: star office debian-correct installation
On 06/10/01 21:18:58 +0200, Frans Schreuder wrote: oppurtunity could you mention wich commands to follow installing staroffice for debian? That is that I wasnot able to find a convention for installing non-debian software. Reading dutch manual bij Bezemer. www.dddi.nl (there is a part in english). I haven't installed StarOffice in awhile, but from what I remember, you just untar it to some place under /usr/local and run the installation binary (can't remember what it's called off hand) with the - (or /, or \ -- again memory fails) net option. After the install, each user on the system runs the setup to install the minimal files/directories under their home directories. I'll go ahead and do it again and see what happens. Good Luck! -- Mark Wagnon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: star office debian-correct installation
--- Frans Schreuder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: oppurtunity could you mention wich commands to follow installing staroffice for debian? That is that I wasnot able to find a convention for installing non-debian software. Reading dutch manual bij Bezemer. www.dddi.nl (there is a part in english). Thanks in advance Frans Schreuder If you untar the downloaded package from Sun it should only be the binary installer (as I remember). Installing from promt should be: system:so-linux-x86.xx.bin or system:./so-linux.x86.x.bin This will start a GUI installer.Just follow the prompts. There is a dutch version too. = Regards- Tim Stetson Whiskey Sour Nuhn O. Yobiznez Licq # 14373626 Why?.Why not?..Why not try? The rule of an inquisitive mind. __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
Re: star office debian-correct installation
On 06/10/01 21:47:41 +0200, Frans Schreuder wrote: [..] But your install 'sequence' doesn't ring a bell ;-) ?espesially? (memory?) the 'net'-option. I have the executable. That I my knowledge ends. [..] I'm downloading it right now. It looks to be a little different from what I remember. The file has a .bin extension instead of .tgz. Once the transfer is complete, I'll install and let you know. The option to install StarOffice as a network installation is to run the so-whatever.bin file with the /net option. I pulled this info from the following location: http://pcquest.ciol.com/content/linux/100080101.asp Notice the have it installed under /opt, so you might consider /usr/local instead. I don't remember what each user must run afterwards, but I'll fin out in 10 minutes (that's how much time is left for the download). Are you unable to install it at all, or are you just looking for some advice on how it should be installed? I've CCd the list to keep all others reading the thread informed. -- Mark Wagnon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: star office debian-correct installation
On 06/10/01 13:16:15 -0700, Mark Wagnon wrote: On 06/10/01 21:47:41 +0200, Frans Schreuder wrote: [..] But your install 'sequence' doesn't ring a bell ;-) ?espesially? (memory?) the 'net'-option. I have the executable. That I my knowledge ends. [..] Okay, just installed SO 5.2. I made the file so-5_2-ga-bin-linux-en.bin executable with chmod, then I executed it (as root) like so: # ./so-5_2-ga-bin-linux-en.bin /net This started the installation program I put it in /usr/local/bin/soffice52. After the installation finished, I then logged in as an unpriviledged user, and ran: $ /usr/local/bin/soffice52/program/setup which then installed the necessary files for me as a normal user (about 1.6 MB). Then to run StarOffice, you would then run ~/office52/soffice. You might want to add ~/office52 to your path. You may need to log in as root, startx, then run the main SO installation before running the user installation. Also, this installation occured on a system running woody, and I don't have java installed so I don't have java support in SO. Hope this helps. If you have any questions, I hope I can answer them. ;-) -- Mark Wagnon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: star office debian-correct installation
On Sun, Jun 10, 2001 at 01:50:16PM -0700, Mark Wagnon wrote: :This started the installation program I put it in :/usr/local/bin/soffice52. After the installation finished, I then :logged in as an unpriviledged user, and ran: : :$ /usr/local/bin/soffice52/program/setup AFAIR, if you run soffice as a regular user it will so the setup thing (and then exit so you must run soffice again) :Then to run StarOffice, you would then run ~/office52/soffice. You :might want to add ~/office52 to your path. On my network install I symlinked /usr/local/Office5.2/program/soffice to /usr/local/bin/soffice, this works fine and is much simple. In fact I didn't realize I had a ~/office52/soffice, untill you pointed that out. :You may need to log in as root, startx, then run the main SO :installation before running the user installation. You don't need to be root, using sudo is fine. If you don't know what sudo is, install it and read the man page then ask here, it's *very* useful. :Hope this helps. If you have any questions, I hope I can answer them. Wow, you really went the extra mile on this one, much respect. -Jon
Re: star office debian-correct installation
On Sun, 10 Jun 2001, joe golden wrote: When I last checked Star Office was not a package in the stable distribution. waiting is. There have been threats to package OpenOffice for some time now. It won't go into stable for quite a while after that though. For our small school, which I am about to switch from NT to Linux, Star Office appears to be the answer to our need for a bundle of stable office programs. We mainly need a smooth switchover from MS Word, Excel and Internet Explorer. Make sure to look in the README as to how to do a net install... Is there anything special in the Star Office install process that will conflict with debian package management? I have been very pleased with package management with debian. It has made my life easier and my system more sane. Any references for Debian Star Office installs? No need for references other than the README on the SO CD. It does the trick flawlessly. Thanks for previous help from list. Joe Golden The Stevens School _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com -- Galt's sci-fi paradox: Stormtroopers versus Redshirts to the death. Who is John Galt? [EMAIL PROTECTED], that's who!
