systemd plans
Hello everyone! I just want to ask two simple questions about debian future. 1. Will systemd default init system in future? 2. Why I just can't purge systemd-*** in my system now? I don't want it. I don't need it. I hate it by my all heart. If I try to remove it, dbus depends on it as well. Why? So, I just need to ask debian developers one simple question. Are you planning to integrate this software in debian in future? Are you guys seriously think that systemd is good? If it is so, I'll have to look for gentoo or even LFS. Personally I think that systemd is evil. It's a very poor quality software that's create by lame arrogant programmer. This software I just DO NOT NEED is integrated to all systems by force. QR-codes? I do not use them. http server in init system? It's an overkill. All-in-one-encapsulated software approach? It's contrary linux way one task-one problem. Yes, I've read all this lying stuff from poettering. All of this modular-system, all of this progressive approach, bla-bla-blah. Enough of this! He can to pour his lies to everybody's ears, but me. I do not need holy wars about systemd. I'm already done my decision about it. I just want to have FREEDOM. Freedom of will. I DO NOT WANT ANY PULSEAUDIO, SYSTEMD and more of poettering software on ALL of MY computers. I JUST WANT TO PURGE THEM ALL. Can I do it now in debian? No. I can't purge systemd-login0 without removing dbus. So. If there will be systemd in debian, there is no place for me in such system. And I have to move to gentoo or LFS. Please, debian developers, announce your plans. Thank you. vadim v. balashoff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1380300362.6750.9904.36...@saddam4.rambler.ru
Re: systemd plans
I'll guess that you want one of the BSD variants or the Debian kFreeBSD variant as systemd is Linux only as I understand it. - Nate -- The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true. Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130927173506.gv4...@n0nb.us
Re: systemd plans
I'm not a Debian developer, but my main distro Arch Linux switched to systemd a long time ago. Regarding to the flame wars caused by the transition, people were banned from the Arch general mailing list and the list nowadays is moderated. The issue with packages you experiences has to do with decisions from upstream. It still makes me wonder, that Debian maintainers are willing to separate udev from systemd. I don't like software written by Lennart. Btw. when I type lennart po into the Google search, the second recommended auto-completion is lennart poettering idi?? (I censored the quote and btw. usually I use https://startpage.com/ and not Google). However, I still dislike systemd, but it's not that dramatic to be forced to use it. If you want to discuss systemd and hard dependency issues, please consider to do it at http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic and everybody who want's to discuss it, please keep one subject for the discussion, so that I directly can filter this thread and nobody is forced to set up one filter rule after the other. There really is no need for another I don't like systemd thread, everything about this issue that can be said, already was said a million times before. TIA, Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1380305330.689.14.camel@archlinux
Re: systemd plans
Hi. On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 20:46:02 +0400 Main Backup vvb.bac...@rambler.ru wrote: I just want to ask two simple questions about debian future. 1. Will systemd default init system in future? Why do you ask this question in the debian-user maillist? debian-devel or debian-testing seem to be more appropriate places for such fundamental questions. 2. Why I just can't purge systemd-*** in my system now? I don't want it. Could you please specify exact package names you can't purge please? See, in my current Debian stable there is exactly one package which can fit your description is installed: libsystemd-login0 And I'm pretty sure I'm using good old sysv init. I don't need it. I hate it by my all heart. If I try to remove it, dbus depends on it as well. Why? ldd /usr/bin/dbus-daemon should shed some light on this mystery. rant skipped The usual way of expressing worries about upstream software quality or packaging quality of such software is filling bug report on an appropriate package. Reco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130927221305.a555f79167aba37b5d837...@gmail.com
Re: systemd plans
On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 12:46 PM, Main Backup vvb.bac...@rambler.ru wrote: I just want to ask two simple questions about debian future. 1. Will systemd default init system in future? 2. Why I just can't purge systemd-*** in my system now? I don't want it. I don't need it. I hate it by my all heart. If I try to remove it, dbus depends on it as well. Why? So, I just need to ask debian developers one simple question. Are you planning to integrate this software in debian in future? Are you guys seriously think that systemd is good? If it is so, I'll have to look for gentoo or even LFS. Personally I think that systemd is evil. It's a very poor quality software that's create by lame arrogant programmer. This software I just DO NOT NEED is integrated to all systems by force. QR-codes? I do not use them. http server in init system? It's an overkill. All-in-one-encapsulated software approach? It's contrary linux way one task-one problem. Yes, I've read all this lying stuff from poettering. All of this modular-system, all of this progressive approach, bla-bla-blah. Enough of this! He can to pour his lies to everybody's ears, but me. I do not need holy wars about systemd. I'm already done my decision about it. I just want to have FREEDOM. Freedom of will. I DO NOT WANT ANY PULSEAUDIO, SYSTEMD and more of poettering software on ALL of MY computers. I JUST WANT TO PURGE THEM ALL. Can I do it now in debian? No. I can't purge systemd-login0 without removing dbus. So. If there will be systemd in debian, there is no place for me in such system. And I have to move to gentoo or LFS. We always welcome ranting and trolling on d-u. :) Debian hasn't decided on its sysinit future, whether it sticks with sysvinit or transitions to systemd or upstart. libsystemd-login0 is the replacement of consolekit (which has been deprecated) and is used for tracking sessions. Using it doesn't mean that you're using systemd as PID 1. Even Ubuntu's using it. I don't think that dbus depends on consolekit on Debian 6 and I have no idea why dbus depends on libsystemd-login0 on Debian 7. Perhaps libsystemd-login0 is better integrated (or just integrated) with dbus than consolekit (if it was at all), -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOdo=Sw3yNaRtBX1WO+hacLfcBR-r=KgYD8PV_XAMi5=wh7...@mail.gmail.com
Re: systemd plans
On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Nate Bargmann n...@n0nb.us wrote: I'll guess that you want one of the BSD variants or the Debian kFreeBSD variant as systemd is Linux only as I understand it. And FreeBSD'll switch to launchd and Vadim'll switch to Windows 9. :) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOdo=Swz-dWaX49K-rG6StYSm8=f9vhythqptvfn77sdesy...@mail.gmail.com
Re: systemd plans
On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 14:27:19 -0400 Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: libsystemd-login0 is the replacement of consolekit (which has been deprecated) and is used for tracking sessions. Using it doesn't mean that you're using systemd as PID 1. Even Ubuntu's using it. Oh no. What have you done :) You've mentioned ConsoleKit, which was designed by Poeterring, Satan incarnate himself. Worse, you've implied that libsysted-login0 is TRACKING user's sessions. And finally, you've mentioned the Dreaded Spaceboy Distro. I don't think that dbus depends on consolekit on Debian 6 and I have no idea why dbus depends on libsystemd-login0 on Debian 7. Why, because dbus is linked against it. Clearly it is not a coincidence, it's a conspirancy. Just joking, of course. Reco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130927230220.050524557d7d96f843518...@gmail.com
Re: systemd plans
On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 3:02 PM, recovery...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 14:27:19 -0400 Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: libsystemd-login0 is the replacement of consolekit (which has been deprecated) and is used for tracking sessions. Using it doesn't mean that you're using systemd as PID 1. Even Ubuntu's using it. Oh no. What have you done :) You've mentioned ConsoleKit, which was designed by Poeterring, Satan incarnate himself. Worse, you've implied that libsysted-login0 is TRACKING user's sessions. And finally, you've mentioned the Dreaded Spaceboy Distro. I don't think that dbus depends on consolekit on Debian 6 and I have no idea why dbus depends on libsystemd-login0 on Debian 7. Why, because dbus is linked against it. Clearly it is not a coincidence, it's a conspirancy. Just joking, of course. :) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAOdo=Sz3gq=mOPj7bbgRTLvgvYZCtqrYiue+AQ_SoE72C5=i...@mail.gmail.com
Re: systemd plans
(Trying hard to resist, ...) On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 3:28 AM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Nate Bargmann n...@n0nb.us wrote: I'll guess that you want one of the BSD variants or the Debian kFreeBSD variant as systemd is Linux only as I understand it. And FreeBSD'll switch to launchd and Vadim'll switch to Windows 9. :) And I thought Windows 9 was scheduled to be yet another fork of freebsd ... (Sigh, I needed to try harder.) -- Joel Rees Be careful where you see conspiracy. Look first in your own heart. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/caar43imkrimec1fbgzp4nwcr_-dc2c-p3mw1vya_gdc9-nc...@mail.gmail.com
