Thanks for Debian ^^^

[황병희]

Hellow Debian hackers,

Today i did upgrade Debian with successfuly: from 11 to 12.

All things are good. No error No failure!


Thanks again!


soyeomul@yw-1130:~$ uname -srm
Linux 6.1.0-9-amd64 x86_64
soyeomul@yw-1130:~$ lsb_release -d
No LSB modules are available.
Description:Debian GNU/Linux 12 (bookworm)
soyeomul@yw-1130:~$ evolution --version
evolution 3.46.4-2 
soyeomul@yw-1130:~$ env | grep WAYLAND
WAYLAND_DISPLAY=wayland-0
soyeomul@yw-1130:~$ date
2023. 06. 11. (일) 12:18:31 KST
soyeomul@yw-1130:~$ 



Sincerely, Byung-Hee (Bookworm user)

-- 
^고맙습니다 _布德天下_ 감사합니다_^))//

OT: Thanks and Margaret Thatcher (was: Re: scripts, was Re: TBird mail)

[rhkramer]

Thanks to David Wright and Greg Wooledge for their replies.

Thanks also to David for the reference to the article on Margaret Thatcher -- 
I'm trying to obtain a copy through my local library (ILL).


On Wednesday, December 07, 2022 11:53:18 AM David Wright wrote:
...
> Margaret Thatcher is a prime example, even making the pages of Nature:
> 
> https://www.nature.com/articles/300744a0
> 
> Of course, an initial "Er…" can be an important cue that you're going
> to say something. Without it, someone not paying attention to you will
> likely miss the first part of your utterance, or at least have to
> replay it in their head before comprehending it. I believe our replay
> mechanism has been much researched.

-- 
rhk 

(sig revised 20221206)

If you reply: snip, snip, and snip again; leave attributions; avoid HTML; 
avoid top posting; and keep it "on list".  (Oxford comma (and semi-colon) 
included at no charge.)  If you revise the topic, change the Subject: line.  
If you change the topic, start a new thread.

Writing is often meant for others to read and understand (legal documents 
excepted?) -- make it easier for your reader by various means, including 
liberal use of whitespace (short paragraphs, separated by whitespace / blank 
lines) and minimal use of (obscure?) jargon, abbreviations, acronyms, and 
references.

If someone has already responded to a question, decide whether any response 
you add will be helpful or not ...

A picture is worth a thousand words.  A video (or "audio"): not so much -- 
divide by 10 for each minute of video (or audio) or create a transcript and 
edit it to 10% of the original.

A speaker who uses ahhs, ums, or such may have a real physical or mental 
disability, or may be showing disrespect for his listeners by not properly 
preparing in advance and thinking before speaking.  (Remember Cicero who did 
not have enough time to write a short missive.)  (That speaker might have been 
"trained" to do this by being interrupted often if he pauses.)

A radio (or TV) station which broadcasts speakers with high pitched voices (or 
very low pitched / gravelly voices) (which older people might not be able to 
hear properly) disrespects its listeners.   Likewise if it broadcasts 
extraneous or disturbing sounds (like gunfire or crying), or broadcasts 
speakers using their native language (with or without an overdubbed 
translation).

A person who writes a sig this long probably has issues and disrespects (and 
offends) a large number of readers. ;-)
'

Re: Thanks for help!

[Georgi Naplatanov]

On 7/11/21 9:18 PM, Gunnar Gervin wrote:
> 
> How repaired hdd in old osx 8.6 mac i386.
> A live usb with debian 10.9 buster did it asked to change from Bios boot
> to Uefi boot & reinstalled hdd. Laptop works. So now can put distro in
> usb, & try which debian based distro works best on Mac osx 10.13.6. MX,
> PsychOS, Manjaro, Debian?
> I liked the software setup in Psychos; many writing tools in it.
> Gunnar

Hi Gunnar,

what is the hardware you want to use with GNU/Linux?

At the beginning you mentioned macOS 8.6 and after that macOS 10.13.6 ???

What do you want to do with GNU/Linux? You mentioned writing software
but what does this mean - software for writers like LibreOffice or
anything else?

if you are looking for high quality software then I would recommend
Debian, Ubuntu LTS releases or something based on them. Rolling release
distributions often are low quality software - they usually have more bugs.

Kind regards
Georgi

Thanks for help!

[Gunnar Gervin]

How repaired hdd in old osx 8.6 mac i386.
A live usb with debian 10.9 buster did it asked to change from Bios boot to
Uefi boot & reinstalled hdd. Laptop works. So now can put distro in usb, &
try which debian based distro works best on Mac osx 10.13.6. MX, PsychOS,
Manjaro, Debian?
I liked the software setup in Psychos; many writing tools in it.
Gunnar

Re: Thanks to all -- Re: Does Debian have a "nag" tool?

[Paul M Foster]

On Sat, Aug 15, 2020 at 08:46:18AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:

> "remind" is the appropriate tool.
> It does NOT rely on anything other than computer being turned on.
> With appropriate script it can "nag" me  ;}
> q.v.
> https://manpages.debian.org/buster/remind/remind.1.en.html
> https://dianne.skoll.ca/projects/remind/

FWIW, I run remind as a personal cron job every day, and have it email
me the results of today's reminders. Incredibly useful. I also wrote a
web front end for it which looks a lot nicer than tkremind. It can't
update the reminders, but it does show them in a nice calendar format on
a web page.

Paul


-- 
Paul M. Foster
http://noferblatz.com
http://quillandmouse.com

Thanks to all -- Re: Does Debian have a "nag" tool?

[Richard Owlett]

"remind" is the appropriate tool.
It does NOT rely on anything other than computer being turned on.
With appropriate script it can "nag" me  ;}
q.v.
https://manpages.debian.org/buster/remind/remind.1.en.html
https://dianne.skoll.ca/projects/remind/

On 08/15/2020 06:30 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:

Just missed girlfriend's birthday by 6 weeks :{
[just sent a 'mea culpa' email.]
Is there a better tool than "cron"?

Just looked at its manpage.
I'm looking for something slightly different.

Independent of when I turn on or first do something after midnight on a 
specific date I want a reminder to be displayed unless I have taken a 
specific action.


As:
  1. I've known her for > 30 years.
  2. I'm a _senior_ citizen.
  3. She is a decade younger.
I am about to receive just retribution.
   [She'll claim I'm forgiven due to senility.]

Wish to prevent such a response next year ;/

TIA

Re: [Thanks all] - Re: Seeing command history when using MATE terminal

[rhkramer]

On Saturday, April 18, 2020 07:52:23 AM Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 04/18/2020 05:19 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> > I can see any *ONE* previous commands by using the up-arrow key.
> > But I need to see the *complete* history. F1 is no "Help".
> > Obviously its stored in a file. Where?
> > TIA
> 
> Using 'cat ~/.bash_history' gives desired format (i.e. without the line
> numbers prepended by the 'history' command).
> 
> There's one thing I don't understand - erasure of previous history.
> 
>   https://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/088 states it as:
> > ... it overwrites the existing history with the new version.
> 
> What I actually see goes back over several uses of the MATE terminal
> including multiple power off/on cycles. Not that I object, it is my
> desired result.

I believe that is because when a terminal starts it loads the existing 
contents of the $HISTFILE.  (Then, as stated in other posts, it is saved when 
the terminal is closed.  

But there is a limit to the number of command lines saved in any instance of 
bash (any terminal), and when commands exceed that limit, the oldest are 
dropped.

$HISTSIZE is the limit in within a terminal, the default is 500 -- setting it 
to a negative number makes it unlimited

$HISTFILESIZE is a limit on the size of the command history file (in lines)

Re: [Thanks all] - Re: Seeing command history when using MATE terminal

[tomas]

On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 06:52:23AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:

[...]

> There's one thing I don't understand - erasure of previous history.
>  https://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/088 states it as:
> >... it overwrites the existing history with the new version.

That's because it reads the history file at start. Concatenation
happens, so to speak, in bash's belly.

Cheers
-- t


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[Thanks all] - Re: Seeing command history when using MATE terminal

[Richard Owlett]

On 04/18/2020 05:19 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:

I can see any *ONE* previous commands by using the up-arrow key.
But I need to see the *complete* history. F1 is no "Help".
Obviously its stored in a file. Where?
TIA



Using 'cat ~/.bash_history' gives desired format (i.e. without the line 
numbers prepended by the 'history' command).


There's one thing I don't understand - erasure of previous history.
 https://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/088 states it as:

... it overwrites the existing history with the new version.


What I actually see goes back over several uses of the MATE terminal 
including multiple power off/on cycles. Not that I object, it is my 
desired result.

[RESOLVED/Thanks] Re: Debian Perl or Brew Perl for production application?

[Didar Hossain]

On Tue, Jul 02, 2019 at 01:36:52PM +0200, Alex Mestiashvili wrote:
> On 7/2/19 11:20 AM, Dave Sherohman wrote:
> > On Mon, Jul 01, 2019 at 06:30:19PM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> >> I tend to stick to Debian packages as my primary choice, resorting
> >> to off-distribution packages when needed (e.g. not packaged for
> >> Debian, or I /need/ a newer version). Of course it takes some foresight
> >> to guess in advance whether you expect such a situation in the
> >> future.
> >>
> >> Rationale: they mesh better with the flow of system updates/upgrades.
> >>
> >> I've found Perl packaging in Debian outstanding. The Debian Perl
> >> packaging team does a damn good job indeed.
> > 
> > Pretty much the same here.  I was initially hired as a Perl developer,
> > then gradually moved into more sysadmin duties and, in both roles, I
> > prefer to stick with the Debian-packaged perl binary.  It gets me
> > security updates as needed and the only reasons I see a particular need
> > for PerlBrew and the like are:
> > 
> > 1) You need different compile-time options than Debian chooses
> > 
> > 2) You need access to a feature that's only present in a newer-than-
> >Debian Perl version
> > 
> > 3) You want to have the "latest and greatest" for its own sake
> > 
> > Personally, I've never encountered #1 or #2 in practice and if #3
> > mattered to me, then I wouldn't be running Debian stable in the first
> > place.
> > 
> 
> +1 here, but in case one need the "latest and greatest" modules, in most
> cases it's dead simple to package a not-yet-packaged module with
> cpan2deb from dh-make-perl package.
> 
> One of the benefits of this approach, is that you don't need to bring
> compilers and sources of the dependencies to the production machine.
> Build packages on a "development" node and install binary packages on
> the production.
> 
> In case you need to replicate the setup, or you have more than one
> machine one can maintain a repository,making installation of a new
> system way easier.
> 
> And you also can contribute back to Debian in case you packaged a new
> software.
> 
> Best,
> Alex

Thank you all for your responses. 

My position was indeed to stick with debian packages for the same reasons you
all mentioned. I am simply prone to self-doubt as my background is more of a
systems admin rather than a developer.

Kind regards,
Didar

-- 
Anthony's Law of Force:
Don't force it; get a larger hammer.

More better thanks to the stretch digikam folks

[Gene Heskett]

I had just bought a new camera, a cannon with more capable glass than my 
now elderly nikon with its very flaky usb socket.  Wheezy was never 
aware the camera was even plugged in, but I'd just installed a modified 
stretch the linuxcnc folks are testing to a test machine, so I took it 
to that machine, and digikam took about a second to find it and load the 
first 2 snaps I'd taken.

So a hearty tip of the 5 gallon hat to the digikam folks, you done good, 
thank you very much.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Thanks for the help today folks

[deb]

I will summarize them all up.

Thanks

Re: Thanks Mart -- Re: Mart -- [Solved] [Well, not solved,. but sickened by] Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools

[Brian]

On Tue 12 Mar 2019 at 19:20:34 -0400, deb wrote:

> Fortunately Brian has blocked me,

Eh? You'll have to explain.

-- 
Brian.

Thanks Mart -- Re: Mart -- [Solved] [Well, not solved,. but sickened by] Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools

[deb]

On 3/11/19 5:08 PM, Mart van de Wege wrote:

And yeah, Debian is an upstream distribution, so you will have a lot of
people who are being overly purist about Linux solutions, because they
have the luxury of working in homogenous environments. Unfortunately a
lot of them are lousy communicators.



I'll say...

:-)


Fortunately Brian has blocked me, so that will enhance the noise::answer 
ratio :-)


What a tin-foil wearing curmudgeon that one is.


At least others want to help as bit.

Thank you Mart !

Thanks Dan. Re: Swap space choice on a SSD <- Current best practice on?

[deb]

Thank you.

On 2/13/2019 9:11 AM, Dan Ritter wrote:

deb wrote:

On 2/13/2019 8:46 AM, Michael Stone wrote:

On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 08:41:33AM -0500, deb wrote:

#1 Given that it's not great to pound the same area of a SSD with
writes; is it indeed still best practice to go with a swap partition
on a SSD rather than a swap FILE?

That's not a thing: the SSD will balance writes physically across the
drive regardless of where they are logically.



OK, that's interesting.

I though the partition might physically lock a section of writes.

Is there a link that goes into that *partitions are not a boundary on
physical SSD writes* further?

For a spinning disk, your OS generally has control of what will
go where*. For an SSD, the incentive to not rewrite a sector
until absolutely necessary is so high that the geometry of the
disk is completely mythical. The SSD controller will pretend
that there are contiguous sectors for partitions to be in, but
they can all be remapped anywhere at any time.

If you want maximum SSD longevity, increase the amount of space
that the SSD can use for remapping by never writing to some
amount of space. Easiest is to not fill the disk with partitions
-- leave 5-10% empty.

*The disk may remap a known bad sector to a pool of reserve
sectors without the OS being told about it. Or not.


If I'm sure, I'll just let Debian partition for Swap.

... I'm still curious how to get the installer to go with a swap FILE rather
than a swap PARTITION though.

The installer doesn't have that option, but if you tell it to go
ahead without a swap partition, you can create a swapfile
later. Or multiple swapfiles. Or use the swapspace package,
which will create and destroy swapfiles as memory requirements
dictate.

-dsr-

Re: Thanks Thomas!

[songbird]

Thomas Schmitt wrote:
>songbird wrote:
...
>>   ok, looks like the two versions are the same in
>> the first sector (netinst for i386 and amd64) so
>> the fix should work...
>
> The fix should apply to all Debian i386 and amd64 ISOs which were made
> with isohybrid functionality. The bug was introduced in may 2009. Steve
> McIntyre announced the new capability of Debian testing ISOs in january
> 2011. Debian 6 came out in february.
> I have a debian-6.0.5-amd64-businesscard.iso which already is isohybrid.
>
> One possible drawback is that it does not preserve the Apple Partition
> Map of the EFI-capable Debian ISOs.
> I am not aware of any machine which would boot Debian ISOs with APM
> and would not if APM is missing. To my understanding it is necessary
> to anounce HFS+ boot images to certain old Macs. But Debian ISOs do
> not provide HFS+ images.

...

  i just realised this morning that for the new
machine i should not need to apply this fix to
get it to boot from a USB stick.  heh...


  songbird

Re: Thanks Thomas!

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

i wrote:
> > (It would be embarrassing if a different Thomas was meant.)

songbird wrote:
>   context is good...  i dislike posting last names to usenet/mailing lists.

Well, germany is full of baby-boomer Thomases. :))


> >   http://www.ludd.ltu.se/~ams/tmp/isohdpfx.bin.170324

> i hope the author released it as open source/bytes!  :)

The bug fix is not worth an own copyright.
So it is provided under the BSD-ish license of isohdpfx.S by H. Peter
Anvin and Intel Corporation:
  http://git.zytor.com/syslinux/syslinux.git/tree/mbr/isohdpfx.S


> i'm not sure what else i can do.

Nothing more for now. We have to wait for a decision of debian-cd
how to handle this not-so-exotic-any-more bug.


>   ok, looks like the two versions are the same in
> the first sector (netinst for i386 and amd64) so
> the fix should work...

The fix should apply to all Debian i386 and amd64 ISOs which were made
with isohybrid functionality. The bug was introduced in may 2009. Steve
McIntyre announced the new capability of Debian testing ISOs in january
2011. Debian 6 came out in february.
I have a debian-6.0.5-amd64-businesscard.iso which already is isohybrid.

One possible drawback is that it does not preserve the Apple Partition
Map of the EFI-capable Debian ISOs.
I am not aware of any machine which would boot Debian ISOs with APM
and would not if APM is missing. To my understanding it is necessary
to anounce HFS+ boot images to certain old Macs. But Debian ISOs do
not provide HFS+ images.


> diff new amd
> < 000   3 355 220 220 220 220 220 220 220 220 220 220 220 220 220 220
> < 020 220 220 220 220 220 220 220 220 220 220 220 220 220 220 220 220
> ---
> > 000   E   R  \b  \0  \0  \0 220 220  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0
> > 020  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0

Upper without APM signature, lower with APM signature.
Both groups of 32 bytes are supposed to do nothing harmful when executed
as x86 machine code (which PC-BIOS does).

The other differences are due to the new instructions of the fixed version.
They change positions of older instructions and cause changes in relative
memory addresses.


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Re: Thanks Thomas!

[songbird]

Thomas Schmitt wrote:

> (It would be embarrassing if a different Thomas was meant.)

  context is good...  i dislike posting
last names to usenet/mailing lists.


> songbird wrote:
>> your recent efforts helped me get an
>> install going via USB stick on this ancient 
>> machine (the bug with the cd image not being
>> able to find isolinux.bin also was affecting
>> the netinst i386 cd-image i had downloaded).
>
> I assume you mean
>   https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=857597
>
> In this case i have to share the thanks with David Christensen, who
> reported the bug and bravely tested, and Martin Str|mberg, who produced
> the fixed code. 

  ack'd in moreinfo followup.  :)


>>  the dd to copy the bytes as posted to the
>> bug (see cd-image bug list for those who
>> care) took care of it and i was off and 
>> running...
>
> The vulnerable BIOSes seem to be more widespread than thought.

  old machines are still being used and people 
who might want to upgrade may try to use them
to write a new USB stick.

  i wasn't even sure at first that any new USB
stick would work (it did, i picked up a sandisk
cruzer the other day for a few $) on such an
ancient machine.

uses the Intel D865GVHZ chipset.


> The fixed MBR code piece
>   http://www.ludd.ltu.se/~ams/tmp/isohdpfx.bin.170324
> is said to be available only for a limited time.

  well now there are other people who have it.  i
hope the author released it as open source/bytes!  :)


> Be so kind and write a mail to  857...@bugs.debian.org  which tells
> that David Christensen is not the only one who has a needy computer.
> Consider to support my proposal in
>   https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=857597#55
>   "I propose that Debian gets it too and offers it for download together
>with a description what problem it might fix and how to apply it.
>If it gets a Debian URL and if i get pointed to an empty wiki page,
>i would volunteer to write the description."

  i added a moreinfo to it and a thank you.  i'm
not sure what else i can do.

  i have been searching for a local computer store
to visit because i dislike doing online hardware
purchases where i'm not sure if the hardware is
even found by the debian installer.  having a bootable
USB stick i can take with me is the goal.

  now i have to get the 64 bit version sorted out.

  ok, looks like the two versions are the same in
the first sector (netinst for i386 and amd64) so
the fix should work...

  here is the diff between fixed and unfixed



diff new amd
1,2c1,2
< 000   3 355 220 220 220 220 220 220 220 220 220 220 220 220 220 220
< 020 220 220 220 220 220 220 220 220 220 220 220 220 220 220 220 220
---
> 000   E   R  \b  \0  \0  \0 220 220  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0
> 020  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0  \0
7,21c7,21
< 140 203 341 001   t  \v   f 307 006 363 006 264   B 353 025 353 002
< 160   1 311   Z   Q 264  \b 315 023   [ 017 266 306   @   P 203 341
< 200   ?   Q 367 341   S   R   P 273  \0   | 271 004  \0   f 241 260
< 220  \a 350   D  \0 017 202 200  \0   f   @ 200 307 002 342 362   f
< 240 201   >   @   | 373 300   x   p   u  \t 372 274 354   { 352   D
< 260   |  \0  \0 350 203  \0   i   s   o   l   i   n   u   x   .   b
< 300   i   n   m   i   s   s   i   n   g   o   r   c   o
< 320   r   r   u   p   t   .  \r  \n   f   `   f   1 322   f 003 006
< 340 370   {   f 023 026 374   {   f   R   f   P 006   S   j 001   j
< 360 020 211 346   f 367   6 350   { 300 344 006 210 341 210 305 222
< 400 366   6 356   { 210 306  \b 341   A 270 001 002 212 026 362   {
< 420 315 023 215   d 020   f   a 303 350 036  \0   O   p   e   r   a
< 440   t   i   n   g   s   y   s   t   e   m   l   o   a   d
< 460   e   r   r   o   r   .  \r  \n   ^ 254 264 016 212   >   b
< 500 004 263  \a 315 020   <  \n   u 361 315 030 364 353 375  \0  \0
---
> 140 203 341 001   t  \v   f 307 006 361 006 264   B 353 025 353  \0
> 160   Z   Q 264  \b 315 023 203 341   ?   [   Q 017 266 306   @   P
> 200 367 341   S   R   P 273  \0   | 271 004  \0   f 241 260  \a 350
> 220   D  \0 017 202 200  \0   f   @ 200 307 002 342 362   f 201   >
> 240   @   | 373 300   x   p   u  \t 372 274 354   { 352   D   |  \0
> 260  \0 350 203  \0   i   s   o   l   i   n   u   x   .   b   i   n
> 300   m   i   s   s   i   n   g   o   r   c   o   r   r
> 320   u   p   t   .  \r  \n   f   `   f   1 322   f 003 006 370   {
> 340   f 023 026 374   {   f   R   f   P 006   S   j 001   j 020 211
> 360 346   f 367   6 350   { 300 344 006 210 341 210 305 222 366   6
> 400 356   { 210 306  \b 341   A 270 0

Re: Thanks Thomas!

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

(It would be embarrassing if a different Thomas was meant.)

songbird wrote:
> your recent efforts helped me get an
> install going via USB stick on this ancient 
> machine (the bug with the cd image not being
> able to find isolinux.bin also was affecting
> the netinst i386 cd-image i had downloaded).

I assume you mean
  https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=857597

In this case i have to share the thanks with David Christensen, who
reported the bug and bravely tested, and Martin Str|mberg, who produced
the fixed code. 


>  the dd to copy the bytes as posted to the
> bug (see cd-image bug list for those who
> care) took care of it and i was off and 
> running...

The vulnerable BIOSes seem to be more widespread than thought.

The fixed MBR code piece
  http://www.ludd.ltu.se/~ams/tmp/isohdpfx.bin.170324
is said to be available only for a limited time.

Be so kind and write a mail to  857...@bugs.debian.org  which tells
that David Christensen is not the only one who has a needy computer.
Consider to support my proposal in
  https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=857597#55
  "I propose that Debian gets it too and offers it for download together
   with a description what problem it might fix and how to apply it.
   If it gets a Debian URL and if i get pointed to an empty wiki page,
   i would volunteer to write the description."


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Thanks Thomas!

[songbird]

  your recent efforts helped me get an
install going via USB stick on this ancient 
machine (the bug with the cd image not being
able to find isolinux.bin also was affecting
the netinst i386 cd-image i had downloaded).

  the dd to copy the bytes as posted to the
bug (see cd-image bug list for those who
care) took care of it and i was off and 
running...

  it actually works.  :)


  songbird

Thanks all - was [Re: Which version of Debian from which physical device?]

[Richard Owlett]

On 10/8/2016 12:36 PM, Felix Miata wrote:

Richard Owlett composed on 2016-10-08 10:47 (UTC-0500):


...today, while chasing down an intermittent problem, I
needed to know which point release was active...


cat /etc/debian_version


I never had need of "cat" before.
Exploring /etc was educational. Browsing randomly hints that much 
can be done to "have Debian *MY WAY* " [apologies to some fast 
food chain ;] Many man pages to investigate.





...and which physical device contained the OS...


(as Ben Finney already answered)
mount | grep 'on / '


Worked nicely.

Re: Okay thanks michael and tim but.......

[Riley Baird]

On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 15:43:47 -0400
Betterthan You betterthanyou...@gmail.com wrote:

 My dad restricts me to package games only. So when you said metro redux and
 those other games i knew i couldent get them. I have seen those games
 before on youtube but i cant get them myself. (Plus they cost and my dad
 would never let me). Can you guys tell me games from the synaptic package
 manager? I'm only 12 so I dont really know what to upload and what not too.
 Also heres a link to my channel ://
 www.youtube.com/channel/UCliVN9ANuzm7u4KpxnqWRNg

Here's a good way to find package games:
1. Install the debtags package
2. In a terminal, run the command debtags tagsearch game
3. You'll see a list of categories, like game::adventure, game::arcade
and game::rpg.
4. If you want to look at the RPG games, for example, you'd run the
command debtags search game::rpg. If you want to look at the arcade
games, you'd run the command debtags search game::arcade.

 P.s. I have asked my dad if i could get games from steam but he says no. He
 doesent trust them on our system beacuse he doesent know who makes the game
 and who runs steam. Can you please tell me tye anser that way I can make a
 aurgument up against my dad? I really do want to use steam and alot of my
 friends use it too. Thanks!

Steam is made by Valve Software.

You might want to tell your Dad that Debian has a steam package.

https://packages.debian.org/stretch/steam


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Okay thanks michael and tim but.......

[Betterthan You]

My dad restricts me to package games only. So when you said metro redux and
those other games i knew i couldent get them. I have seen those games
before on youtube but i cant get them myself. (Plus they cost and my dad
would never let me). Can you guys tell me games from the synaptic package
manager? I'm only 12 so I dont really know what to upload and what not too.
Also heres a link to my channel ://
www.youtube.com/channel/UCliVN9ANuzm7u4KpxnqWRNg

P.s. I have asked my dad if i could get games from steam but he says no. He
doesent trust them on our system beacuse he doesent know who makes the game
and who runs steam. Can you please tell me tye anser that way I can make a
aurgument up against my dad? I really do want to use steam and alot of my
friends use it too. Thanks!

Re: Can't Write to dvdrw Device - Thanks, Now I Understand

[Thomas H. George]

On 06/25/2015 04:07 PM, Sven Arvidsson wrote:

The ogg files are all audio files playable with ogg123. The
description
of Brasero says it is capable of coverting on the fly musical play
lists
of all formats supported by GStreamer.

I just put a CD-R disc in the drive and Brasero did switch the burn
line
from brasero.cue to Blank CD-R disc: 36 minutes of free space. Since
the
project estimated size is 48.18 minutes this wont work. That's why I
wanted to use a dvd disk.  It is interesting that when I inserted the

dvd disk Brasero asked to have a suitable cd or dvd disc inserted.
The
drive explicitly says it can write DVD±R/±RW discs but perhaps
Brasero
can only write CD-R and DVD-R discs. I'll have to get one and check
it out.

I think you misunderstand.

You are trying to create an audio CD, playable in a stereo. Brasero can
convert digital files and make a cd. But AFAIK you can't make an audio
DVD. If you buy music on a DVD it is digital files.

When Brasero says 36 minutes of free space, it means that's what's left
free on the disk, of the 74/80 or whatever minutes that fit on a CD-R.


Got it.  In my various attempts I must have picked up a partially used cd.
After a few selections were deleted to reduce the play list to 39 minutes
Brasero burnt the cd with no problems.

Thanks








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Solved: Re: Icedove Mail Forwarding Problem - Thanks for the Solution

[Ralph Katz]

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 Thanks I just tested Shift-Forward and it worked like a charm.
 With this problem solved Icedove works perfectly for me.

Great! Nice to hear.
Regards,
Ralph

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Re: Adobe Flash Player in Jessie Iceweasel and Shutterfly? Thanks

[Thomas H. George]

On 06/12/2015 03:34 PM, The Wanderer wrote:

On 06/12/2015 at 02:58 PM, Thomas H. George wrote:


Using Iceweasel I continually get a popup saying Flash Player needed
to display some content. In fact, all the content seems to be
displayed so the popup is only a minor annoyance.

BUT then a friend send a link to photos at shutterfly which I can't
view as Flash Player is required.

I tried installing Flash Player by downloading the tar.gz version and
following the installation instructions. Popup is still there.  Next
I downloaded the .rpm version and used alien and dpkg to install it.
Popup is still there and no photos.

First, if you need the Flash Player, I recommend installing it via the
'flashplugin-nonfree' package.

Right. Added non-free to entries in sources.list. Updated, ran 
dist-upgrade and then install flashplugin-nonfree and it still was not 
found. Then remembered the sources.list entries always used to be main 
contrib non-free. With this change flashplugin-nonfree was found and 
installed.



Did you restart Iceweasel after the install?
just to be sure I rebooted the system and now it all works. Iceweasel 
and shutterfly.


In my experience, Firefox / Iceweasel / other-variants-of-the-same does
not recognize changes in the Flash plugin (and possibly in other
similarly interfaced plugins) until after the browser has been restarted.

Also, what does about:plugins say about the situation?


I've been experimenting with the Shumway extension, which is an attempt
to implement a Flash player in JavaScript, as part of Mozilla's effort
to kill the need for the binary Flash plugin. It's certainly not 100%
compatible yet (or anything near it, really), but it's surprisingly good
in a lot of cases.

If you care enough about trying to use only free software, and tend to
use only the sorts of Flash found on the major sites that rely on it, it
may be worth giving Shumway a try.




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Re: Colorized Prompts Problem - Thanks for the Deconstruction

[David Wright]

Quoting Chris Bannister (cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz):
 On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 09:49:12PM -0500, David Wright wrote (and corrected 
 himself):

  This conversation made me revisit my own prompt which I have now
  modified. I thought I'd share it with you in case any part of it
  should be helpful.
  
  LOCAL_COLOR is set in a host-specific file that also sets things like
  different colours for midnight commander (mc) so I know which host I'm on.
  
  PROMPT_COMMAND adds a space after the return code and then removes
  itself if it would print zero. It also sets the title-bar in an xterm,
  again so I know where I am. (I have a couple of dozen xterms, some
  ssh'd to other hosts.) Putting the tty number in the title bar makes
  it easier to kill an xterm should it freeze.
  
  PS1 makes any non-zero return code stand out; then the local colour
  takes over the rest of the prompt. Note that the 0; is required in
  LOCAL_COLOR to cancel the earlier 1; that highlights the return code.
  Breaking the PS1 line into 3 parts avoids another level of quoting.
  
  
  LOCAL_COLOR='\e[0;34m' # blue (this is in ~/.bash-hostname)

I was economical with the truth to make the posting simpler.

.bashrc has . .bash-1-hostname near the top (and . .bash-9-hostname
near the bottom) to set host-specific parameters and functions.

.bash-1-hostname in turn has . .bash-c-colour to set its desired
colours in LOCAL_COLOR and MC_COLOR_TABLE. (The latter accounts for
the spelling of the former.)

  export PROMPT_COMMAND='MYPROMPT=$?   [ $MYPROMPT = 0  ]  
  MYPROMPT='
  case $TERM in
  xterm*)
  export PROMPT_COMMAND+= ; echo -ne '\e]0;${HOSTNAME^^}  $(tty) 
   ${HOSTNAME^^}\a'
  ;;
  esac
  
  export PS1='\[\e[1;33;41m\]$MYPROMPT\['
  export PS1+=$LOCAL_COLOR
  export PS1+='\]\H!\u \t \w \$ \[\e[m\]'
  unset LOCAL_COLOR
(I've corrected || in the original posting to ;.)

 Is all that in one file? Is it sourced via .bashrc?

So not one file, but the lines in the last section quoted above *are*
the very last lines in ~/.bashrc. Why last? To avoid my startup files
printing anything with non-interactive shells, which they detect by
PS1 being empty/unset.

The only other slightly relevant change I made was to add the line

:

to ~/.bash_profile in order to prevent one getting a highlighted
return code on logging in, eg, if the last command is a grep that
matches nothing.

Cheers,
David.


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Re: Colorized Prompts Problem - Thanks for the Deconstruction

[Chris Bannister]

On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 09:49:12PM -0500, David Wright wrote:
 Quoting Thomas H. George (li...@tomgeorge.info):
   
  Your explanation is very helpful, converts the jumble I copied from a
  website into a logical sequence of instructions. I really appreciate
  being able to understand the meaning of the prompt.
 
 This conversation made me revisit my own prompt which I have now
 modified. I thought I'd share it with you in case any part of it
 should be helpful.
 
 LOCAL_COLOR is set in a host-specific file that also sets things like
 different colours for midnight commander (mc) so I know which host I'm on.
 
 PROMPT_COMMAND adds a space after the return code and then removes
 itself if it would print zero. It also sets the title-bar in an xterm,
 again so I know where I am. (I have a couple of dozen xterms, some
 ssh'd to other hosts.) Putting the tty number in the title bar makes
 it easier to kill an xterm should it freeze.
 
 PS1 makes any non-zero return code stand out; then the local colour
 takes over the rest of the prompt. Note that the 0; is required in
 LOCAL_COLOR to cancel the earlier 1; that highlights the return code.
 Breaking the PS1 line into 3 parts avoids another level of quoting.
 
 
 LOCAL_COLOR='\e[0;34m' # blue (this is in ~/.bash-hostname)
 
 export PROMPT_COMMAND='MYPROMPT=$?   [ $MYPROMPT = 0  ]  
 MYPROMPT='
 case $TERM in
 xterm*)
   export PROMPT_COMMAND+= || echo -ne '\e]0;${HOSTNAME^^}  
 $(tty)  ${HOSTNAME^^}\a'
   ;;
 esac
 
 export PS1='\[\e[1;33;41m\]$MYPROMPT\['
 export PS1+=$LOCAL_COLOR
 export PS1+='\]\H!\u \t \w \$ \[\e[m\]'
 unset LOCAL_COLOR


Is all that in one file? Is it sourced via .bashrc?



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Re: Colorized Prompts Problem - Thanks for the Deconstruction

[David Wright]

Quoting Thomas H. George (li...@tomgeorge.info):
  
 Your explanation is very helpful, converts the jumble I copied from a
 website into a logical sequence of instructions. I really appreciate
 being able to understand the meaning of the prompt.

This conversation made me revisit my own prompt which I have now
modified. I thought I'd share it with you in case any part of it
should be helpful.

LOCAL_COLOR is set in a host-specific file that also sets things like
different colours for midnight commander (mc) so I know which host I'm on.

PROMPT_COMMAND adds a space after the return code and then removes
itself if it would print zero. It also sets the title-bar in an xterm,
again so I know where I am. (I have a couple of dozen xterms, some
ssh'd to other hosts.) Putting the tty number in the title bar makes
it easier to kill an xterm should it freeze.

PS1 makes any non-zero return code stand out; then the local colour
takes over the rest of the prompt. Note that the 0; is required in
LOCAL_COLOR to cancel the earlier 1; that highlights the return code.
Breaking the PS1 line into 3 parts avoids another level of quoting.


LOCAL_COLOR='\e[0;34m' # blue (this is in ~/.bash-hostname)

export PROMPT_COMMAND='MYPROMPT=$?   [ $MYPROMPT = 0  ]  MYPROMPT='
case $TERM in
xterm*)
export PROMPT_COMMAND+= || echo -ne '\e]0;${HOSTNAME^^}  
$(tty)  ${HOSTNAME^^}\a'
;;
esac

export PS1='\[\e[1;33;41m\]$MYPROMPT\['
export PS1+=$LOCAL_COLOR
export PS1+='\]\H!\u \t \w \$ \[\e[m\]'
unset LOCAL_COLOR

Cheers,
David.


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Re: Colorized Prompts Problem - Thanks for the Deconstruction (correction)

[David Wright]

Quoting David Wright (deb...@lionunicorn.co.uk):
   export PROMPT_COMMAND+= || echo -ne '\e]0;${HOSTNAME^^}  
 $(tty)  ${HOSTNAME^^}\a'


Forgive the typo; that || was in the penultimate version that I
accidentally included. It should of course be ; otherwise the
title only appears after a non-zero return code. Thus:

export PROMPT_COMMAND+= ; echo -ne '\e]0;${HOSTNAME^^}  $(tty) 
 ${HOSTNAME^^}\a'

Cheers,
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Re: Colorized Prompts Problem - Thanks for the Deconstruction

[Thomas H. George]

On Mon, May 04, 2015 at 12:31:15PM -0500, David Wright wrote:
 Quoting Thomas H. George (li...@tomgeorge.info):
  On Mon, May 04, 2015 at 06:54:40AM +, Bonno Bloksma wrote:
   Hi,
   
I entered the following in .bashrc

   PS1='\033[01;33m\h:\w\$ \033[00m'   

to colorize the prompt (very handy to find the prompt when a command
fills the console screen with lines of text)

The only problem occurs when the next entry is more than one line.  In 
that
case the entry wraps around without moving to a new line.
   
   I had the same problem using the prompt I found at first, I think it is 
   the same you are using. It seems there is a problem in closing the ANSI 
   code string.
   Someone else gave me this:
 PS1='\[\e[0;31m\]${debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)}\h:\w\$\[\e[m\] '
   This does not have the problem, I have been using this now for over a 
   year, no problems at all.
   
   Bonno Bloksma
   
  Thank you, this works while nothing else did.  The sequences to start
  and end coloring are different and the colors are different too.
 
 Perhaps it's worth deconstructing this into its constituents:
 
 '\[\e[0;31m\]${debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)}\h:\w\$\[\e[m\] '
 
 Take out ${debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)}
 As explained before, this prints the value of $debian_chroot but uses
 the :+ trick to avoid printing () when $debian_chroot is empty/unset.
 
 '\[\e[0;31m\]\h:\w\$\[\e[m\] '
 
 Take out the two \[ and \] brackets.
 As explained before, these brackets must enclose anything that doesn't
 advance the cursor, ie the colouring strings. That tells bash to
 ignore those strings in calculating how much room the prompt has taken
 up. That's the fix for your original complaint.
 
 '\e[0;31m\h:\w\$\e[m '
 
 Take out \h:\w\$ and that space at the end.
 That's the prompt that you want to see coloured. (In your original,
 the space at the end of the prompt was coloured too.)
 
 '\e[0;31m' and '\e[m'
 
 Now all that remains is colour-on and colour-off.
 
 Off: Where you had \033[00m this has \e[m because the 00 before the
 m is unnecessary (blank is zero), and \e is a clearer way of writing
 the ESCape character (octal 33) in more modern versions of bash.
 (The latter eliminates one source of confusion: the mixture of octal
 and decimal numbers.)
 
 On: Similarly, where you had \033[01;33m this has \e[0;31m which,
 as pointed out below, changes the foreground colour to normal red.
 So you should set it back to \e[1;33m
 
 It is harmless, but that leading 0 that you had in 01;33m could be a
 cause for confusion; the numbers before the m are *decimal* whereas
 \033 is octal. So 33m actually means 30 + 3 m where 30 is the
 foreground colour, 3 is the yellow, and m is colouring rather than,
 say, moving the cursor.
 
 Cheers,
 David.
 
Your explanation is very helpful, converts the jumble I copied from a
website into a logical sequence of instructions. I really appreciate
being able to understand the meaning of the prompt.

Tom

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Re: Thanks for all your suggestions regarding Xfce!

[Wilko Fokken]

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Re: ALSA - Multiple Sources...? / Thanks

[hobie]

Just a note of thanks to Joel, Andrei and Florent. :)  I'll carry my
situation to the Audio users list and see what happens.  Thanks for the
time and the courteous comments.

--hobie

 On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 04:56:12AM -0500, ho...@rumormillnews.com wrote:
  On Jo, 27 nov 14, 03:03:33, ho...@rumormillnews.com wrote:
   On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 05:55:24PM -0500, ho...@rumormillnews.com
  wrote:
  
   Do you know if pulseaudio is installed?
  
   dpkg -l | grep pulseaudio
 
  Hi, Joel - Thanks. :)  Synaptic says no but running the dpkg -l
  command
  indicates pulseaudio 2.0.3 is present. (!)  It isn't, but there's a
 fair
  number of residual files around from some earlier install, including
  things like the gstreamer1.0-pulseaudio plugin and PulseAudio client
  libraries.  I don't _think_ there's anything there that would cause
 ALSA
  to block...?
 
  Would you mind just copy-pasting the output of above command?
 
  BTW, interpreting the output of 'dpkg -l' would be easier if one would
  not use grep to strip the header with explanations and use only dpkg's
  built-in pattern support, in this particular case:
 
  dpkg -l '*pulseaudio*'
 
  Thanks,
  Andrei
  --

 Thanks, Andrei - here 'tis:

 Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
 |
 Status=Not/Inst/Conf-files/Unpacked/halF-conf/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend
 |/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
 ||/ Name   Version  Architecture Description
 +++-==---=
 ii  gstreamer0.10- 0.10.31-3+nm amd64GStreamer plugin for
 PulseAudio
 ii  gstreamer1.0-p 1.4.4-2  amd64GStreamer plugin for
 PulseAudio
 un  libsdl1.2debia none   none   (no description available)
 rc  pulseaudio 2.0-3amd64PulseAudio sound server
 un  pulseaudio-eso none   none   (no description available)
 un  pulseaudio-mod none   none   (no description available)
 un  pulseaudio-uti none   none   (no description available)


 Okay, no pulseaudio.

 This reference says you get dmix by default
 for ALSA, version above 1.0.9rc2. So several
 years.

 http://alsa.opensrc.org/Dmix

 You also want to make sure there is no asoundrc.

 Probably you will get better help if you post
 to Linux Audio Users mailing list.

 It may help to know the output of

 lspci

 cat /proc/asound/cards

 lsmod | grep snd


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Thanks for your mail

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Thanks for your mail. Please keep on listening to Love Guru, only on Radio City 
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Re: Thanks for your mail

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On 09/26/2014 09:13 AM, Rajavel wrote:
 
 
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Re: Thanks for your mail

[Lisi Reisz]

On Friday 26 September 2014 16:53:56 Doug wrote:
 On 09/26/2014 09:13 AM, Rajavel wrote:

 I wouldn't listen to that garbage if it was the only radio station in the
 world!

Must you reply to spam. :-(  It makes life harder for the filters.

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Thanks, Guys :-) was: Re: Preseeded setting on openssh-server ignored

[Lisi Reisz]

On Saturday 14 June 2014 11:57:59 Lisi Reisz wrote:
 On Friday 13 June 2014 22:02:06 Bob Proulx wrote:
  Just to plug a good tool I like using pwgen to generate truly random
  passwords.  A long random password is sufficiently difficult to
  exploit.  If you are using passwords that are easy to crack then they
  should definitely be disabled.  Here is an example:
 
    $ pwgen 16 1
    au6fiegieCh5shio

 Can it be set to use anything other than alpha-numeric?

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Thanks! Re: Help with command - cp

[Lisi Reisz]

On Sunday 26 January 2014 14:26:18 Lisi Reisz wrote:
 I am wanting to use the CLI to copy some files from dirA to dirB. 
 I want to exclude all hidden files.  Will this command achieve it?
 :--

 cp -Rp /path/to/sourcedir/A/* /path/to/destinationdir/B

I have been away from my computer for a while, and have come back to a 
most generous number of answers.  Individual thank-yous for each to 
the list could get tiresome for everyone else, so thank you, all of 
you.  I really appreciate it, and have much to chew on.

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Re: XFCE4 - gedit - was Re: Thanks

[Kailash]

On Thursday 05 September 2013 07:48 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
 On 9/5/13, Nate Bargmann n...@n0nb.us wrote:
 * On 2013 05 Sep 05:48 -0500, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
 Turns out, they both produce almost identical errors. Gedit error:

 (gedit:15593): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: gtk.css:101:18:
 Not using units is deprecated. Assuming 'px'.

 Evince error:

 (evince:15620): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: gtk.css:101:18:
 Not using units is deprecated. Assuming 'px'.
 
 It sounds like you're lacking a GTK3 theme engine.  For example, I have
 the clearlooks-phenix-theme package installed so that GTK3 and GTK2 apps
 look nearly identical.
 
 Thanks. Adwaita's not too bad either. A theme is another thing I'd
 like to create one day - cross-desktop, cross-display engine,
 highly-customizable theme.
 
 Now my text box in firefox is no longer expandable - hopefully will
 fix itself on restart.
 
 That's all folks, and thanks again,
 Zenaan
 
 
Hi,

So was the gedit issue resolved?

Kailash


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Re: XFCE4 - gedit - was Re: Thanks

[Zenaan Harkness]

On 9/10/13, Kailash listskail...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Thursday 05 September 2013 07:48 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
 On 9/5/13, Nate Bargmann n...@n0nb.us wrote:
 * On 2013 05 Sep 05:48 -0500, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
 Turns out, they both produce almost identical errors. Gedit error:

 (gedit:15593): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: gtk.css:101:18:
 Not using units is deprecated. Assuming 'px'.

 Evince error:

 (evince:15620): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: gtk.css:101:18:
 Not using units is deprecated. Assuming 'px'.

 It sounds like you're lacking a GTK3 theme engine.  For example, I have
 the clearlooks-phenix-theme package installed so that GTK3 and GTK2 apps
 look nearly identical.

 Thanks. Adwaita's not too bad either. A theme is another thing I'd
 like to create one day - cross-desktop, cross-display engine,
 highly-customizable theme.

Yes, thanks Kailash. I had to install gnome themes and choose one. The
XFCE themes appear to not work, and gedit appears to not have a
dependency tree to make even a minimal default theme work. There was
one theme allegedly (apt-cache show details) allowed gnome themes to
work with xfce, but I could not determine how that worked (it seemed
to not work, perhaps I didn't try hard enough).

Anyway, I have adequate theming now, and gedit displays reasonably now
(would prefer a nice compact theme, just not so compact as no space
at all between menus :)

 Now my text box in firefox is no longer expandable - hopefully will
 fix itself on restart.

Even this resolved itself.

 So was the gedit issue resolved?

Yes, thanks again
Zenaan


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Re: XFCE4 - gedit - was Re: Thanks

[Zenaan Harkness]

On 9/5/13, Kailash listskail...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sunday 01 September 2013 08:24 AM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
 On 9/1/13, Joe Pfeiffer pfeif...@cs.nmsu.edu wrote:
 I'm just going to revert to squeeze, that desktop actually worked.

 Another vote for xfce.  I switched to it quite a while ago, and have
 been happy since.

 I don't like mousepad editor however, and I don't gedit. So I installed

BTW, that should have been I don't mind gedit..

 gedit.

 But gnome apps aren't configuring properly; in particular, in the menu
 bar of gedit (and I've seen it elsewhere I think), all the menus are
 jammed up against each other - no nice spacing between them. Anyone
 know what I ought to install to make these gnome menus work properly
 with XFCE4 ?

 Hi Zenaan,

 Have you tried running gedit from terminal? Perhaps some interesting
 errors or warnings may crop up.

Good point. In fact, that's the only way I run it :)

Which reminds me, evince always comes up with an error .. checking now ..

Turns out, they both produce almost identical errors. Gedit error:

(gedit:15593): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: gtk.css:101:18:
Not using units is deprecated. Assuming 'px'.

Evince error:

(evince:15620): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: gtk.css:101:18:
Not using units is deprecated. Assuming 'px'.

And that to me looks perhaps like the perfect culprit, let's say that
the original gtk.css is assuming cm or mm, and this new theme parser
is assuming 'px', so 5mm would definitely be greater than 5px. And if
that is mean to be the minimum width of a menu, of course we end up
with no gaps between menus. This however is just my theoretical
metahypotheticalizationisms.

Anyone know how to fix, or what to install .. ?


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Re: XFCE4 - gedit - was Re: Thanks

[Zenaan Harkness]

 Turns out, they both produce almost identical errors. Gedit error:

 (gedit:15593): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: gtk.css:101:18:
 Not using units is deprecated. Assuming 'px'.

 Evince error:

 (evince:15620): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: gtk.css:101:18:
 Not using units is deprecated. Assuming 'px'.

PS, the menus with no spacing between them occurs the same in both
gedit and evince.


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Re: XFCE4 - gedit - was Re: Thanks

[Nate Bargmann]

* On 2013 05 Sep 05:48 -0500, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
  Turns out, they both produce almost identical errors. Gedit error:
 
  (gedit:15593): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: gtk.css:101:18:
  Not using units is deprecated. Assuming 'px'.
 
  Evince error:
 
  (evince:15620): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: gtk.css:101:18:
  Not using units is deprecated. Assuming 'px'.
 
 PS, the menus with no spacing between them occurs the same in both
 gedit and evince.

It sounds like you're lacking a GTK3 theme engine.  For example, I have
the clearlooks-phenix-theme package installed so that GTK3 and GTK2 apps
look nearly identical.

Both Gedit and Evince use GTK3 which has its own method of defining
themes, as I understand it.  Also, I don't see the Theme parsing error
you're getting when starting either Geany or Evince from a terminal (I'm
running a nearly up-to-date Sid).  

Try experimenting with different GTK3 theme packages.

- Nate

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Re: XFCE4 - gedit - was Re: Thanks

[Zenaan Harkness]

On 9/5/13, Nate Bargmann n...@n0nb.us wrote:
 * On 2013 05 Sep 05:48 -0500, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
  Turns out, they both produce almost identical errors. Gedit error:
 
  (gedit:15593): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: gtk.css:101:18:
  Not using units is deprecated. Assuming 'px'.
 
  Evince error:
 
  (evince:15620): Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error: gtk.css:101:18:
  Not using units is deprecated. Assuming 'px'.

 It sounds like you're lacking a GTK3 theme engine.  For example, I have
 the clearlooks-phenix-theme package installed so that GTK3 and GTK2 apps
 look nearly identical.

Thanks. Adwaita's not too bad either. A theme is another thing I'd
like to create one day - cross-desktop, cross-display engine,
highly-customizable theme.

Now my text box in firefox is no longer expandable - hopefully will
fix itself on restart.

That's all folks, and thanks again,
Zenaan


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Re: XFCE4 - gedit - was Re: Thanks

[Kailash]

On Sunday 01 September 2013 08:24 AM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
 On 9/1/13, Joe Pfeiffer pfeif...@cs.nmsu.edu wrote:
 I'm just going to revert to squeeze, that desktop actually worked.

 Another vote for xfce.  I switched to it quite a while ago, and have
 been happy since.
 
 I find it adequate; ~8months now; I am however reasonable with the command 
 line.
 
 I don't like mousepad editor however, and I don't gedit. So I installed gedit.
 
 But gnome apps aren't configuring properly; in particular, in the menu
 bar of gedit (and I've seen it elsewhere I think), all the menus are
 jammed up against each other - no nice spacing between them. Anyone
 know what I ought to install to make these gnome menus work properly
 with XFCE4 ?
 
 
Hi Zenaan,

Have you tried running gedit from terminal? Perhaps some interesting
errors or warnings may crop up.

Sincerely,
Kailash


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Re: XFCE4 - gedit - was Re: Thanks

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Mon, 2013-09-02 at 02:02 +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
 http://upmart.org/gedit-menus-example.jpg

That's really odd :(. When using gedit on Xfce (different distros,
including Ubuntu/Debian) it's ok on my machine. I agree there seems to
be some lib(s) missing. Xfce was and for some installs still is the only
DE here too, but I installed a lot of gtk stuff as dependency for other
software. After installing Cinnamon and Mate to one of my installed
Linux distros, the theme used by Xfce changed a little bit.


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Re: Thanks

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Sun, 2013-09-01 at 13:32 -0400, Ralph Katz wrote:
 On 08/31/2013 10:21 PM, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
  Thod Motte tmo...@mail.com writes:
  
  Thanks to debian and Gnome 3 for making my desktop as buggy and unstable 
  as Windows 95 was in 1997 and less
  customizable.
 
  I'm just going to revert to squeeze, that desktop actually worked.
  
  Another vote for xfce.  I switched to it quite a while ago, and have
  been happy since.
  
 
 Add my vote for xfce with lightdm.  It's all I use.
 
 Ralph

I'm using it with lightdm too.



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Re: XFCE4 - gedit - was Re: Thanks

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Mon, 2013-09-02 at 11:43 +0900, Joel Rees wrote:
 Hmm. I think I have seen that kind of thing once, some years ago, but
 not recently. I think it was with a less stable version of LXDE
 (running a Fedora security tools live USB).

I've seen it before too, but don't remember the reason for this, but I
guess it wasn't a broken version of Xfce, just something was missing. I
guess it was s theme or GTK lib.


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Re: Thanks

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Mon, 2013-09-02 at 11:24 -0500, Conrad Nelson wrote:
 What's wrong with MATE?

It could cause conflicts with packages from official repositories.

 Xfce hasn't done anything interesting in years, and I've seen 
 big bugs in Xfce that still need fixing that are even more glaring than 
 most of MATE's.

It's wanted that it doesn't change that much. What are those bugs?

 I like MATE because they've kept the (Excellent.) GNOME 2 desktop alive

No, it's not GNOME2.

 I do think Cinnamon could be loads better, but it's not terrible, either.

Than you don't use a ATI graphics with the FLOSS driver? I suspect you
don't know all important things from GNOME2 and yo never compared GNOME2
and it's forks running top.

 I used to actually be a big KDE user. I still like it but I've found 
 it's gone from being one of the fastest, but still flexible desktop 
 environments around to being one of the absolute slowest.

Again! The OP is used to GNOME2 and the best replacement to GNOME2 is
Xfce.

The OP shouldn't use

 MATE from its

third party

 Debian repository

At the forums they claim gvfs isn't a dependency for the Debian
repository, but they only support it when gvfs is installed. And
packages could conflict with packages from official repositories.


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Re: XFCE4 - gedit - was Re: Thanks

[Frank Lanitz]

Am 01.09.2013 08:22, schrieb Joel Rees:
 've been looking at geany, and it looks interesting functionally, but
 I'm not at all sold on it. Don't like lots of tool panes all over.
 It's part of the reason I can't quite bring myself to use either
 netbeans or eclipse regularly.

Most of them can be turned off.

Cheers,
Frank



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Re: Thanks

[Conrad Nelson]

On 09/03/2013 03:08 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

On Mon, 2013-09-02 at 11:24 -0500, Conrad Nelson wrote:

What's wrong with MATE?

It could cause conflicts with packages from official repositories.



Could, could, could. So what? I've seen conflicts of the same nature in 
the official repositories. Also, in my entire time using MATE on both 
Arch and Debian, not one of your hypothetical conflicts came up for me. 
Maybe the issue is not in it being a third party repository but in users 
doing something ass-backwards with their package management. Not the 
fault of MATE.



Xfce hasn't done anything interesting in years, and I've seen
big bugs in Xfce that still need fixing that are even more glaring than
most of MATE's.

It's wanted that it doesn't change that much. What are those bugs?


There's not changing that much, then there's being a stale codebase. The 
reason Xfce never found the success GNOME or KDE had was precisely 
because Xfce lacked direction or any sort of motivation to keep itself 
up to date.



I like MATE because they've kept the (Excellent.) GNOME 2 desktop alive

No, it's not GNOME2.


It's a fork of the GNOME 2 codebase. No, officially, it is not GNOME 2. 
But it is a lot closer to GNOME 2 than Xfce ever will be.





I do think Cinnamon could be loads better, but it's not terrible, either.

Than you don't use a ATI graphics with the FLOSS driver? I suspect you
don't know all important things from GNOME2 and yo never compared GNOME2
and it's forks running top.



Nope, I've either been using nvidia's driver with nVidia cards on 
desktops or Intel's driver on laptops. ATI still has too much of a 
reputation for spotty Linux support for me to be confident in investing 
in their GPUs. I won't deny they've improved a lot, but I still see hit 
or miss support.


No, I never compared MATE with GNOME 2 on top. What relevance does this 
have to my point that Cinnamon isn't really as good a GNOME 3 
alternative as MATE?



I used to actually be a big KDE user. I still like it but I've found
it's gone from being one of the fastest, but still flexible desktop
environments around to being one of the absolute slowest.

Again! The OP is used to GNOME2 and the best replacement to GNOME2 is
Xfce.


In your opinion.

Despite the fact that aside from name changes and bug fixes MATE *is* 
GNOME 2, which is what the OP wants.



The OP shouldn't use


MATE from its

third party


So what if the repo is third party? Oh right, because of potential for 
minor problems. All blindly hail and use ONLY Debian's official 
repositories. Never mind that until recently debian itself made for 
TERRIBLE desktops because its repositories left out a lot of stuff most 
desktop users actually WANTED (Full multimedia capabilities among them.).





Debian repository

At the forums they claim gvfs isn't a dependency for the Debian
repository, but they only support it when gvfs is installed. And
packages could conflict with packages from official repositories.


They've pushed to have MATE added to the official repositories, and got 
smug arrogant hostility back. This is not their fault.



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Re: Thanks

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Tue, 03 Sep 2013 19:47:54 +0200, Conrad Nelson y...@marupa.net wrote:


On 09/03/2013 03:08 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

On Mon, 2013-09-02 at 11:24 -0500, Conrad Nelson wrote:

What's wrong with MATE?

It could cause conflicts with packages from official repositories.



Could, could, could. So what? I've seen conflicts of the same nature in  
the official repositories. Also, in my entire time using MATE on both  
Arch and Debian, not one of your hypothetical conflicts came up for me.  
Maybe the issue is not in it being a third party repository but in users  
doing something ass-backwards with their package management. Not the  
fault of MATE.


E.g. file roller from GNOME does conflict with Mate's version. What  
packages from official Debian repositories do conflict? Sure, jack1 does  
conflickt with jack2, for good reasons, so I mean what other package makes  
something really unusable. Such serious issues only appear when using  
third party repositories.



Xfce hasn't done anything interesting in years, and I've seen
big bugs in Xfce that still need fixing that are even more glaring than
most of MATE's.

It's wanted that it doesn't change that much. What are those bugs?


There's not changing that much, then there's being a stale codebase. The  
reason Xfce never found the success GNOME or KDE had was precisely  
because Xfce lacked direction or any sort of motivation to keep itself  
up to date.


And what are the bugs you mentioned?




I like MATE because they've kept the (Excellent.) GNOME 2 desktop alive

No, it's not GNOME2.


It's a fork of the GNOME 2 codebase. No, officially, it is not GNOME 2.  
But it is a lot closer to GNOME 2 than Xfce ever will be.


No untrue, resp. regarding to what is it closer to GNOME 2? To flashy  
crap, but not to the workflow while needing less resources.


I do think Cinnamon could be loads better, but it's not terrible,  
either.

Than you don't use a ATI graphics with the FLOSS driver? I suspect you
don't know all important things from GNOME2 and yo never compared GNOME2
and it's forks running top.



Nope, I've either been using nvidia's driver with nVidia cards on  
desktops or Intel's driver on laptops. ATI still has too much of a  
reputation for spotty Linux support for me to be confident in investing  
in their GPUs. I won't deny they've improved a lot, but I still see hit  
or miss support.


No, I never compared MATE with GNOME 2 on top. What relevance does this  
have to my point that Cinnamon isn't really as good a GNOME 3  
alternative as MATE?


Resources!



I used to actually be a big KDE user. I still like it but I've found
it's gone from being one of the fastest, but still flexible desktop
environments around to being one of the absolute slowest.

Again! The OP is used to GNOME2 and the best replacement to GNOME2 is
Xfce.


In your opinion.

Despite the fact that aside from name changes and bug fixes MATE *is*  
GNOME 2, which is what the OP wants.


Pff!



The OP shouldn't use


MATE from its

third party


So what if the repo is third party? Oh right, because of potential for  
minor problems. All blindly hail and use ONLY Debian's official  
repositories. Never mind that until recently debian itself made for  
TERRIBLE desktops because its repositories left out a lot of stuff most  
desktop users actually WANTED (Full multimedia capabilities among them.).





Debian repository

At the forums they claim gvfs isn't a dependency for the Debian
repository, but they only support it when gvfs is installed. And
packages could conflict with packages from official repositories.


They've pushed to have MATE added to the official repositories, and got  
smug arrogant hostility back. This is not their fault.


It is,  I talked to Mate folks, they are ignorant. I don't know any  
serious Linux distro who include it to the official repositories.


Regards,
Ralf


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Re: Thanks

[Conrad Nelson]

On 08/31/2013 06:07 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

On Sat, 2013-08-31 at 07:01 -0400, Thod Motte wrote:

Thanks to debian and Gnome 3 for making my desktop as buggy and
unstable as Windows 95 was in 1997 and less customizable.

I'm just going to revert to squeeze, that desktop actually worked.

Don't! Install Xfce, IMO the best DE that can be used as successor for
GNOME 2. If people should mention Cinnamon and Mate, don't waste your
time with those GNOME forks, if you shouldn't be happy to try out new
things.

Xfce isn't GNOME 2, but it's ok.



What's wrong with MATE?

The problem with Xfce is that they develop and add new features to it 
very, very slowly, that, to modernize it and keep it as usable as more 
frequently updated desktops you have to install a lot of outside 
packages. Xfce hasn't done anything interesting in years, and I've seen 
big bugs in Xfce that still need fixing that are even more glaring than 
most of MATE's.


I like MATE because they've kept the (Excellent.) GNOME 2 desktop alive, 
though they could probably do better in adding new stuff, though that 
will be their plan eventually. Right now they're focused on completely 
branching MATE off of the dead GNOME 2 codebase.


I do think Cinnamon could be loads better, but it's not terrible, either.

I used to actually be a big KDE user. I still like it but I've found 
it's gone from being one of the fastest, but still flexible desktop 
environments around to being one of the absolute slowest.


Anyway... to the OP, I don't know why you'd use Debian Stable on a 
desktop system. Also, it's not the Debian developers' fault that GNOME 3 
is a minefield of terrible ideas, changes for changes sake, tabletitis, 
and failure to listen to users (Gee, sounds almost like Windows 8, 
doesn't it?). That's on the GNOME developers. The Debian developers are 
not the GNOME developers. The only thing I fault the Debian developers 
for is sticking with GNOME as their official desktop when it was pretty 
well-known by then what a pile of crap it became.


My recommendation is not to fall back to Squeeze but to actually use 
Debian Testing (Which is better for desktops, Stable is better used on 
servers.) and use some other desktop: Xfce (Despite it's 
slow-as-molasses development cycle.) , MATE from its Debian repository, 
LXDE, even KDE. Just... run away. Run far, far away from GNOME 3.



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Re: Thanks

[Lisi Reisz]

On Monday 02 September 2013 17:24:56 Conrad Nelson wrote:
 I used to actually be a big KDE user. I still like it but I've found
 it's gone from being one of the fastest, but still flexible desktop
 environments around to being one of the absolute slowest.

The fast, flexible environment is still alive in the Trinity Desktop 
Environment fork, www.trinitydesktop.org .  It was originally called 
Trinity-KDE, but KDE objected.

It has continued to be developed and has reached 3.5.13.2, with 14 about to be 
released.  (KDE 3 ended at 3.5.10.)

Lisi


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Re: Thanks

[Jeff]

Lisi Reisz wrote:

On Monday 02 September 2013 17:24:56 Conrad Nelson wrote:

I used to actually be a big KDE user. I still like it but I've found
it's gone from being one of the fastest, but still flexible desktop
environments around to being one of the absolute slowest.

The fast, flexible environment is still alive in the Trinity Desktop
Environment fork, www.trinitydesktop.org .  It was originally called
Trinity-KDE, but KDE objected.

It has continued to be developed and has reached 3.5.13.2, with 14 about to be
released.  (KDE 3 ended at 3.5.10.)

Lisi



Gnome 3 Classic is a good substitute for Gnome 2.

Jeff


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Re: Thanks

[Conrad Nelson]

On 09/02/2013 03:38 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:

On Monday 02 September 2013 17:24:56 Conrad Nelson wrote:

I used to actually be a big KDE user. I still like it but I've found
it's gone from being one of the fastest, but still flexible desktop
environments around to being one of the absolute slowest.

The fast, flexible environment is still alive in the Trinity Desktop
Environment fork, www.trinitydesktop.org .  It was originally called
Trinity-KDE, but KDE objected.

It has continued to be developed and has reached 3.5.13.2, with 14 about to be
released.  (KDE 3 ended at 3.5.10.)

Lisi



Alas, Trinity's Debian repo does not appear to work for Jessie.


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Re: XFCE4 - gedit - was Re: Thanks

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Sun, 2013-09-01 at 12:54 +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
 But gnome apps aren't configuring properly; in particular, in the menu
 bar of gedit (and I've seen it elsewhere I think), all the menus are
 jammed up against each other - no nice spacing between them. Anyone
 know what I ought to install to make these gnome menus work properly
 with XFCE4 ?

Could you please post a link to a screenshot? I experience Xfce doing a
better job for GTK + Qt apps than GNOME did and Mate does. For GNOME and
Mate Qt apps were/are an issue. Perhaps the space between the menus is
less wide, than it is using GNOME and I'm simply used to it, but at
least there is a little bit space between the drop down menu titles in
the menu bar of GNOME apps, such as gedit and evolution.



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Re: Thanks

[Ralf Mardorf]

There are a lot of other good (and also lots of bad) DEs, but Xfce4 is
the DE that is most similar to GNOME2 + stable + in official
repositories of Debian and many other distros. I suspect the OP wants
GNOME2, so recommending KDE (a good DE) or recommending Fluxbox and LXDE
(good DEs too) isn't good. To recommend something unstable as
Enlightenment or something that comes with similar issues as GNOME 3,
e.g. Cinnamon or something that isn't in official repositories from
Debian and most other distros, e.g. Mate isn't good too. IMO the OP
should test Xfce4. Just to name each DE we know and like isn't a help
for the OP.

2 Cents,
Ralf


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Re: XFCE4 - gedit - was Re: Thanks

[Joel Rees]

On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 at 11:54 AM, Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net wrote:
 On 9/1/13, Joe Pfeiffer pfeif...@cs.nmsu.edu wrote:
 I'm just going to revert to squeeze, that desktop actually worked.

 Another vote for xfce.  I switched to it quite a while ago, and have
 been happy since.

 I find it adequate; ~8months now; I am however reasonable with the command 
 line.

 I don't like mousepad editor however, and I don't gedit. So I installed gedit.

I think, but I am not sure, that mousepad is in there because it is
small and doesn't have a lot of dependencies. So it fits small
footprint installs.

Can't imagine any other reason for including it.

 But gnome apps aren't configuring properly; in particular, in the menu
 bar of gedit (and I've seen it elsewhere I think), all the menus are
 jammed up against each other - no nice spacing between them. Anyone
 know what I ought to install to make these gnome menus work properly
 with XFCE4 ?

Odd. I haven't seen that with gedit, neither in English nor Japanese sessions.

Default fonts issue maybe?

I've been looking at geany, and it looks interesting functionally, but
I'm not at all sold on it. Don't like lots of tool panes all over.
It's part of the reason I can't quite bring myself to use either
netbeans or eclipse regularly.

gedit works well enough for me, even though I pretty much keep gnome
off my system.

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Re: XFCE4 - gedit - was Re: Thanks

[Joe]

On Sun, 1 Sep 2013 12:54:07 +1000
Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net wrote:

 On 9/1/13, Joe Pfeiffer pfeif...@cs.nmsu.edu wrote:
  I'm just going to revert to squeeze, that desktop actually worked.
 
  Another vote for xfce.  I switched to it quite a while ago, and have
  been happy since.
 
 I find it adequate; ~8months now; I am however reasonable with the
 command line.
 
 I don't like mousepad editor however, and I don't gedit. So I
 installed gedit.
 
 But gnome apps aren't configuring properly; in particular, in the menu
 bar of gedit (and I've seen it elsewhere I think), all the menus are
 jammed up against each other - no nice spacing between them. Anyone
 know what I ought to install to make these gnome menus work properly
 with XFCE4 ?
 
 

I have gedit working fine on Xfce on sid, but I switched from Gnome at
the time of 3, and haven't quite dared to purge everything with 'gnome'
in the name, so there may be something else involved.

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Re: Thanks

[Weaver]

On Sat, August 31, 2013 11:19 pm, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
 There are a lot of other good (and also lots of bad) DEs, but Xfce4 is
 the DE that is most similar to GNOME2 + stable + in official
 repositories of Debian and many other distros. I suspect the OP wants
 GNOME2, so recommending KDE (a good DE) or recommending Fluxbox and LXDE
 (good DEs too) isn't good. To recommend something unstable as
 Enlightenment or something that comes with similar issues as GNOME 3,
 e.g. Cinnamon or something that isn't in official repositories from
 Debian and most other distros, e.g. Mate isn't good too. IMO the OP
 should test Xfce4. Just to name each DE we know and like isn't a help
 for the OP.

Actually, Ralf, I've been using Enlightenment for a good year now and find
it as solid as a rock.

Vastly improved, in that regard, from the old days of all the 'burnished
metal finishes and etc.
Kind regards,

Weaver.

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Re: Thanks

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Sun, 2013-09-01 at 02:15 -0700, Weaver wrote:
 On Sat, August 31, 2013 11:19 pm, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
  There are a lot of other good (and also lots of bad) DEs, but Xfce4 is
  the DE that is most similar to GNOME2 + stable + in official
  repositories of Debian and many other distros. I suspect the OP wants
  GNOME2, so recommending KDE (a good DE) or recommending Fluxbox and LXDE
  (good DEs too) isn't good. To recommend something unstable as
  Enlightenment or something that comes with similar issues as GNOME 3,
  e.g. Cinnamon or something that isn't in official repositories from
  Debian and most other distros, e.g. Mate isn't good too. IMO the OP
  should test Xfce4. Just to name each DE we know and like isn't a help
  for the OP.
 
 Actually, Ralf, I've been using Enlightenment for a good year now and find
 it as solid as a rock.
 
 Vastly improved, in that regard, from the old days of all the 'burnished
 metal finishes and etc.

My apologize Weaver,

indeed it might be more than a year ago, that I tested it the last time.
So ok, it now is stable. In the old days it wasn't that close to GNOME 2
as Xfce is, I still suspect that Xfce is the best recommendation as a
replacement for GNOME. I might be mistaken with this too ;).

Regards,
Ralf


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Re: XFCE4 - gedit - was Re: Thanks

[Jape Person]

On 09/01/2013 02:22 AM, Joel Rees wrote:
...
 
 I've been looking at geany, and it looks interesting functionally, but
 I'm not at all sold on it. Don't like lots of tool panes all over.
 It's part of the reason I can't quite bring myself to use either
 netbeans or eclipse regularly.
 
...

As an aside, thought I'd mention that geany's interface is very highly
configurable. It's easy enough through the Preferences dialog to eliminate side
panes, bottom panes, etc. -- or to relocate them. You can make this editor's
interface as simple as mousepad's.

JP


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Re: XFCE4 - gedit - was Re: Thanks

[Zenaan Harkness]

On 9/1/13, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote:
 On Sun, 2013-09-01 at 12:54 +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
 But gnome apps aren't configuring properly; in particular, in the menu
 bar of gedit (and I've seen it elsewhere I think), all the menus are
 jammed up against each other - no nice spacing between them. Anyone
 know what I ought to install to make these gnome menus work properly
 with XFCE4 ?

 Could you please post a link to a screenshot? I experience Xfce doing a

http://upmart.org/gedit-menus-example.jpg
It's about 1.9KiB, just a cropped image of the menus and top part of toolbar.

 better job for GTK + Qt apps than GNOME did and Mate does. For GNOME and
 Mate Qt apps were/are an issue. Perhaps the space between the menus is
 less wide, than it is using GNOME and I'm simply used to it, but at
 least there is a little bit space between the drop down menu titles in
 the menu bar of GNOME apps, such as gedit and evolution.

I only ever installed xfce, not gnome. Manually installed gedit. I'm
guessing there's some libs to isntall...

TIA
Zenaan


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Re: Thanks

[Ralph Katz]

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On 08/31/2013 10:21 PM, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
 Thod Motte tmo...@mail.com writes:
 
 Thanks to debian and Gnome 3 for making my desktop as buggy and unstable as 
 Windows 95 was in 1997 and less
 customizable.

 I'm just going to revert to squeeze, that desktop actually worked.
 
 Another vote for xfce.  I switched to it quite a while ago, and have
 been happy since.
 

Add my vote for xfce with lightdm.  It's all I use.

Ralph



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Re: XFCE4 - gedit - was Re: Thanks

[Joel Rees]

On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 1:02 AM, Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net wrote:
 On 9/1/13, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote:
 On Sun, 2013-09-01 at 12:54 +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
 But gnome apps aren't configuring properly; in particular, in the menu
 bar of gedit (and I've seen it elsewhere I think), all the menus are
 jammed up against each other - no nice spacing between them. Anyone
 know what I ought to install to make these gnome menus work properly
 with XFCE4 ?

 Could you please post a link to a screenshot? I experience Xfce doing a

 http://upmart.org/gedit-menus-example.jpg
 It's about 1.9KiB, just a cropped image of the menus and top part of toolbar.

Hmm. I think I have seen that kind of thing once, some years ago, but
not recently. I think it was with a less stable version of LXDE
(running a Fedora security tools live USB).

 better job for GTK + Qt apps than GNOME did and Mate does. For GNOME and
 Mate Qt apps were/are an issue. Perhaps the space between the menus is
 less wide, than it is using GNOME and I'm simply used to it, but at
 least there is a little bit space between the drop down menu titles in
 the menu bar of GNOME apps, such as gedit and evolution.

 I only ever installed xfce, not gnome. Manually installed gedit. I'm
 guessing there's some libs to isntall...

 TIA
 Zenaan

Manually, as in ...?

Downloading from https://projects.gnome.org/gedit/ and unpacking and
installing, or even compiling and installing the source?

Doing something similar with the .deb packages?

Or as in using apt-get install or synaptic, or what, exactly?

apt-get and synaptic should pull in the dependencies unless you tell
it not to. If you told it not to install some of the dependencies, you
might try doing a re-install.

The dependencies for gedit made me wince a bit the first time I pulled
it into a relatively pristine XFCE, but when you start pulling in GUI
tools, you'll find that a lot of them depend on the gnome libraries.
But you're not pulling in the entire desktop, by any means.

Synaptic is pretty convenient about that. When you select for install,
it will tell you which dependencies it's also pulling in, and then
when you tell it to go ahead, it will show the sizes. My memory is
that straight apt-get gives you the information and the chance to back
out, as well.

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Re: XFCE4 - gedit - was Re: Thanks

[Zenaan Harkness]

On 9/2/13, Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 1:02 AM, Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net wrote:
 On 9/1/13, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote:
 On Sun, 2013-09-01 at 12:54 +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:

 better job for GTK + Qt apps than GNOME did and Mate does. For GNOME and
 Mate Qt apps were/are an issue. Perhaps the space between the menus is
 less wide, than it is using GNOME and I'm simply used to it, but at
 least there is a little bit space between the drop down menu titles in
 the menu bar of GNOME apps, such as gedit and evolution.

 I only ever installed xfce, not gnome. Manually installed gedit. I'm
 guessing there's some libs to isntall...

 Manually, as in ...?

:) Thanks, even apt and aptitude have differences which can be relevant.

 Or as in using apt-get install or synaptic, or what, exactly?

apt-get install gedit

 apt-get and synaptic should pull in the dependencies unless you tell
 it not to. If you told it not to install some of the dependencies, you
 might try doing a re-install.

just ran apt-get purge gedit , apt-get install gedit
same problem


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Re: XFCE4 - gedit - was Re: Thanks

[Joel Rees]

On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 12:04 PM, Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net wrote:
 On 9/2/13, Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 1:02 AM, Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net wrote:
 On 9/1/13, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote:
 On Sun, 2013-09-01 at 12:54 +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:

 better job for GTK + Qt apps than GNOME did and Mate does. For GNOME and
 Mate Qt apps were/are an issue. Perhaps the space between the menus is
 less wide, than it is using GNOME and I'm simply used to it, but at
 least there is a little bit space between the drop down menu titles in
 the menu bar of GNOME apps, such as gedit and evolution.

 I only ever installed xfce, not gnome. Manually installed gedit. I'm
 guessing there's some libs to isntall...

 Manually, as in ...?

 :) Thanks, even apt and aptitude have differences which can be relevant.

 Or as in using apt-get install or synaptic, or what, exactly?

 apt-get install gedit

 apt-get and synaptic should pull in the dependencies unless you tell
 it not to. If you told it not to install some of the dependencies, you
 might try doing a re-install.

 just ran apt-get purge gedit , apt-get install gedit
 same problem

Well, it might be worth playing playing with the appearance settings
-- edit menu, settings or preferences. (I forget which in English.)
Try changing the font while you're at it.

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Thanks

[Thod Motte]

Thanks to debian and Gnome 3 for making my desktop as buggy and unstable as 
Windows 95 was in 1997 and less customizable.

I'm just going to revert to squeeze, that desktop actually worked.

Re: Thanks

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Sat, 2013-08-31 at 07:01 -0400, Thod Motte wrote:
 Thanks to debian and Gnome 3 for making my desktop as buggy and
 unstable as Windows 95 was in 1997 and less customizable.
 
 I'm just going to revert to squeeze, that desktop actually worked.

Don't! Install Xfce, IMO the best DE that can be used as successor for
GNOME 2. If people should mention Cinnamon and Mate, don't waste your
time with those GNOME forks, if you shouldn't be happy to try out new
things.

Xfce isn't GNOME 2, but it's ok.


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Re: Thanks

[Hans-J. Ullrich]

 Xfce isn't GNOME 2, but it's ok.

Yeah! XFCE is great. Tried it, too, on my netbook. It is fast and well usable.
I also was very pleased with LXDE, which is also very lightweight and highly 
usable. In fact, I still could not find a decision, which one is better or 
faster. So I did the bst thing - use both!

Best regards

Hans


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Re: Thanks

[Sharon Kimble]

On Sat, 31 Aug 2013 07:01:42 -0400
Thod Motte tmo...@mail.com wrote:

 Thanks to debian and Gnome 3 for making my desktop as buggy and
 unstable as Windows 95 was in 1997 and less customizable.
 
 I'm just going to revert to squeeze, that desktop actually worked.

Instead of shooting the upgrade, how about using a different desktop
environment, like LXDE, XFCE, fluxbox, and several others? That way you
can still keep the goodness of wheezy but its still usable. But the
choice is yours.

Sharon.
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Re: Thanks

[Joe Pfeiffer]

Thod Motte tmo...@mail.com writes:

 Thanks to debian and Gnome 3 for making my desktop as buggy and unstable as 
 Windows 95 was in 1997 and less
 customizable.

 I'm just going to revert to squeeze, that desktop actually worked.

Another vote for xfce.  I switched to it quite a while ago, and have
been happy since.


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XFCE4 - gedit - was Re: Thanks

[Zenaan Harkness]

On 9/1/13, Joe Pfeiffer pfeif...@cs.nmsu.edu wrote:
 I'm just going to revert to squeeze, that desktop actually worked.

 Another vote for xfce.  I switched to it quite a while ago, and have
 been happy since.

I find it adequate; ~8months now; I am however reasonable with the command line.

I don't like mousepad editor however, and I don't gedit. So I installed gedit.

But gnome apps aren't configuring properly; in particular, in the menu
bar of gedit (and I've seen it elsewhere I think), all the menus are
jammed up against each other - no nice spacing between them. Anyone
know what I ought to install to make these gnome menus work properly
with XFCE4 ?


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Re: Thanks

[taz man]

 - Original Message -
 From: Joe Pfeiffer
 Sent: 09/01/13 02:21 AM
 To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
 Subject: Re: Thanks
 
 Thod Motte tmo...@mail.com writes:
 
  Thanks to debian and Gnome 3 for making my desktop as buggy and unstable as 
  Windows 95 was in 1997 and less
  customizable.
 
  I'm just going to revert to squeeze, that desktop actually worked.
 
 Another vote for xfce. I switched to it quite a while ago, and have
 been happy since.
 

I use openbox as a standalone WM without any DE, 
and I'm happy with Wheezy.
or, really, the only trouble I've had with Wheezy has been on web/mail servers
(had to about completely reconfigure postfix and dovecot and stuff),
but not on the desktop.

t
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Re: Thanks

[Weaver]

On Sat, August 31, 2013 8:14 pm, taz man wrote:
 - Original Message -
 From: Joe Pfeiffer
 Sent: 09/01/13 02:21 AM
 To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
 Subject: Re: Thanks

 Thod Motte tmo...@mail.com writes:

  Thanks to debian and Gnome 3 for making my desktop as buggy and
 unstable as Windows 95 was in 1997 and less
  customizable.
 
  I'm just going to revert to squeeze, that desktop actually worked.

 Another vote for xfce. I switched to it quite a while ago, and have
 been happy since.


 I use openbox as a standalone WM without any DE,
 and I'm happy with Wheezy.
 or, really, the only trouble I've had with Wheezy has been on web/mail
 servers
 (had to about completely reconfigure postfix and dovecot and stuff),
 but not on the desktop.

I used to be a Gnome fan, well before the days of Gnome3, but found a
combination of KDE, Gnome and Xfce apps worked better and was more
customisable to what I required with another Desktop Environment -
generally, Xfce, but found Fluxbox also quite workable.

These days I find KDE much improved beyond the endless segfaults it used
to suffer from and I also run Enlightenment as a second choice to give
myself a break every now and again, but all this with unstable.

Nothing wrong with Debian.
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Re: Thanks to All

[Anthony Campbell]

On 01 May 2013, Chris Bannister wrote:
 On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 06:14:00PM +0100, Brad Rogers wrote:
  On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 09:19:36 -0500 Hugo Vanwoerkom
  hvw59...@care2.com wrote:
  
  Hello Hugo,
  
  mine neither
  
  Are you saying that you don't take into consideration a company's or
  developer's morality (insofar as it's possible to know their moral
  stance) when choosing a product/app/whatever?
 
 I think the point is that it has nothing to do with age.
 
Probably not. As I shall be 80 this month, I thought it was time to
start experimenting with FreeBSD. Clearly a technical challenge; as for
morality, I think FreeBSD, like Debian, scores pretty well for that.

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Re: Thanks to All

[staticsafe]

On 5/1/2013 3:27, Anthony Campbell wrote:
 On 01 May 2013, Chris Bannister wrote:
 On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 06:14:00PM +0100, Brad Rogers wrote:
 On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 09:19:36 -0500 Hugo Vanwoerkom
 hvw59...@care2.com wrote:

 Hello Hugo,

 mine neither

 Are you saying that you don't take into consideration a company's or
 developer's morality (insofar as it's possible to know their moral
 stance) when choosing a product/app/whatever?

 I think the point is that it has nothing to do with age.

 Probably not. As I shall be 80 this month, I thought it was time to
 start experimenting with FreeBSD. Clearly a technical challenge; as for
 morality, I think FreeBSD, like Debian, scores pretty well for that.
 
 AC`kkk
 

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Re: Thanks to All

[Brad Rogers]

On Wed, 1 May 2013 09:40:28 +1200
Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote:

Hello Chris,

I think the point is that it has nothing to do with age.

Ah, I see.

Obviously, I'm not as wise as I am old.   :-)

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Re: Thanks to All

[Anthony Campbell]

On 01 May 2013, staticsafe wrote:
 On 5/1/2013 3:27, Anthony Campbell wrote:
  
 
 If you need any help, feel free to subscribe to freebsd-questions[0].
 
 [0] - http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions
 

Yes, thanks - already done that. I'm enjoying my exploration of FreeBSD.

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Re: Thanks to All (Was: MUA Yahoo)

[Brad Rogers]

On Mon, 29 Apr 2013 23:36:53 +0200
Siard shiems...@kpnplanet.nl wrote:

Hello Siard,

AFAIK, in general, the older one gets, the less important technical
aspects become w.r.t. the choices one makes, and the more important
the extent gets to which one can identify himself with the makers/
manufacturers/developers.

Whilst I agree that the manufacturer's/developer's (etc.) philosophy
starts to get more important as one gets older (I'm 52 myself), if the
technical aspects don't fit my requirements the project would still be a
non starter.  For me.

Like I said;  Each to their own.

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Re: Thanks to All (Was: MUA Yahoo)

[Brad Rogers]

On Mon, 29 Apr 2013 16:47:01 -0700
Patrick Bartek bartek...@yahoo.com wrote:

Hello Patrick,

I installed Claws-Mail and only the Fancy plugin.  It works, sort
of:  Format HTML correctly, but doesn't show images.  Config problem?
Don't know.  Yet.

Yes.  Even if the Load images option is set to yes, there are times
when they still won't get displayed unless you also set enable remote
content.  If you don't want to do that on a permanent basis (via the
Fancy plugin configuration menu item), it can be done on a per mail
basis by clicking on the tools icon at the bottom of the display area
and selecting enable remote content there.

Sylpheed only has one plugin.  And it wasn't what I needed.  CM plugin
don't show up in Sylpheed, but I haven't really tried finding out why
or even if they are compatible.

Since the divergence (some years ago now), I have no idea whether the
plugin i/f's are compatible.

Gotta finish reading the f'ing manuals first. ;-)

Manuals?  We don't need no stinkin' manuals!   :-)

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Re: Thanks to All

[Siard]

John Hasler writes:
 Siard writes:
  AFAIK, in general, the older one gets, the less important technical
  aspects become w.r.t. the choices one makes, and the more important
  the extent gets to which one can identify himself with the makers/
  manufacturers/developers.
 
 That has not been my experience.

Some people mature very slowly... :-))  Perhaps it's yet to come ;-)

I used SuSE for a long time. But when its owner, Novell, went to
collaborate with a company that is not known for its noble intentions,
I could not live with that and switched to Debian.  That is a clear
example of a non-technical criterion.


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Re: Thanks to All

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

John Hasler wrote:

Siard writes:

AFAIK, in general, the older one gets, the less important technical
aspects become w.r.t. the choices one makes, and the more important
the extent gets to which one can identify himself with the makers/
manufacturers/developers.


That has not been my experience.


mine neither

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Re: Thanks to All

[Brad Rogers]

On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 09:19:36 -0500
Hugo Vanwoerkom hvw59...@care2.com wrote:

Hello Hugo,

mine neither

Are you saying that you don't take into consideration a company's or
developer's morality (insofar as it's possible to know their moral
stance) when choosing a product/app/whatever?

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Re: Thanks to All

[Chris Bannister]

On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 06:14:00PM +0100, Brad Rogers wrote:
 On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 09:19:36 -0500
 Hugo Vanwoerkom hvw59...@care2.com wrote:
 
 Hello Hugo,
 
 mine neither
 
 Are you saying that you don't take into consideration a company's or
 developer's morality (insofar as it's possible to know their moral
 stance) when choosing a product/app/whatever?

I think the point is that it has nothing to do with age.

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Re: Thanks to All (Was: MUA Yahoo)

[Siard]

Patrick Bartek wrote:
 google-chrome '%s' works.  Don't forget the hyphen.
 
 I just wish it could open in Sylpheed's reader window itself, instead
 of me having to switch to a different workspace where google-chrome is
 running all the time.

Instead of google-chrome, you could try midori, and close it after viewing.
It's a fast, light-weight browser that I find well suited for this purpose.


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Re: Thanks to All (Was: MUA Yahoo)

[Siard]

Lisi Reisz:
 Siard:
  Check whether you can open chrome + url from the command line like
  this: $ chrome www.google.com
  If this works, then  chrome '%s'  should work with the 'Open' menu
  option mentioned above.
 
 I type google-chrome (without the  and ) in the launcher to get
 Crome opened.

Yes, as you can see, I don't have Chrome installed myself...  ;-)


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Re: Thanks to All (Was: MUA Yahoo)

[Darac Marjal]

On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 06:41:31PM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote:
 On Sun, 28 Apr 2013 19:36:06 +0200, Siard shiems...@kpnplanet.nl
 wrote:
 
[cut]
 
 google-chrome '%s' works.  Don't forget the hyphen.
 
 I just wish it could open in Sylpheed's reader window itself, instead
 of me having to switch to a different workspace where google-chrome is
 running all the time.  Would Thunderbird or similar do that?  I've
 never used it, so I don't know.

You might try switching to Claws-Mail, then. It's a fork of Sylpheed
which offers extra features, one of which is the Fancy plugin. Enable
that and you can view HTML messages directly in the viewer pane.



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Re: Thanks to All (Was: MUA Yahoo)

[Patrick Bartek]

On Mon, 29 Apr 2013 11:45:46 +0100
Darac Marjal mailingl...@darac.org.uk wrote:

 On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 06:41:31PM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote:
  On Sun, 28 Apr 2013 19:36:06 +0200, Siard shiems...@kpnplanet.nl
  wrote:
  
 [cut]
  
  google-chrome '%s' works.  Don't forget the hyphen.
  
  I just wish it could open in Sylpheed's reader window itself,
  instead of me having to switch to a different workspace where
  google-chrome is running all the time.  Would Thunderbird or
  similar do that?  I've never used it, so I don't know.
 
 You might try switching to Claws-Mail, then. It's a fork of Sylpheed
 which offers extra features, one of which is the Fancy plugin.
 Enable that and you can view HTML messages directly in the viewer
 pane.

Sylpheed accepts plugins, too.  To what extent I don't know.
Haven't gotten that far in the manual.  Since Claws is a fork, maybe,
they are similar.

B


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Re: Thanks to All (Was: MUA Yahoo)

[Patrick Bartek]

On Sun, 28 Apr 2013 23:41:50 -0400
Frank McCormick debianl...@videotron.ca wrote:

 On 04/28/2013 09:41 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote:

  [snip]
  I just wish it could open in Sylpheed's reader window itself,
  instead of me having to switch to a different workspace where
  google-chrome is running all the time.  Would Thunderbird or
  similar do that?  I've never used it, so I don't know.
 
 
That's one of the main reasons I switched from Sylpheed to 
 Thunderbird. It's handling of html is built-in. A second reason was I 
 found Sylpheed's IMAP-handling a little flakey. YMMV.

Flakey in what way?  So far, I haven't noted anything unusual with
Sylpheed.

B


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Re: Thanks to All (Was: MUA Yahoo)

[Brad Rogers]

On Mon, 29 Apr 2013 07:07:01 -0700
Patrick Bartek bartek...@yahoo.com wrote:

Hello Patrick,

Sylpheed accepts plugins, too.  To what extent I don't know.
Haven't gotten that far in the manual.  Since Claws is a fork, maybe,
they are similar.

Look 'n' feel is similar, but one of the reasons for the split was the
ever increasing difficulty of merging Claws code into a new release of
the Sylpheed original.  It shouldn't be difficult to migrate.

From what I see at their respective web sites, CM has more plugins
available for it that Sylpheed has.

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Re: Thanks to All (Was: MUA Yahoo)

[Frank McCormick]

On 04/29/2013 10:10 AM, Patrick Bartek wrote:

On Sun, 28 Apr 2013 23:41:50 -0400
Frank McCormick debianl...@videotron.ca wrote:


On 04/28/2013 09:41 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote:



[snip]
I just wish it could open in Sylpheed's reader window itself,
instead of me having to switch to a different workspace where
google-chrome is running all the time.  Would Thunderbird or
similar do that?  I've never used it, so I don't know.



That's one of the main reasons I switched from Sylpheed to
Thunderbird. It's handling of html is built-in. A second reason was I
found Sylpheed's IMAP-handling a little flakey. YMMV.


Flakey in what way?  So far, I haven't noted anything unusual with
Sylpheed.


   As I recall (it's been a year or two since I switched) Sylpheed was 
timing out on one or two IMAP connections...waiting for the 60 sec 
timeout, then rebuilding the IMAP connection, at which point everything 
would be fine...until the next time when it would timeout again..etc 
etc. I spent a lot of time configuring and reconfiguring, Googline the 
problem etc. Thundebird never seems to have the problem.


  As far as plugins, CLAWS is the definite winner. Sylpheed has very 
few (if any).


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Re: Thanks to All (Was: MUA Yahoo)

[Siard]

Brad Rogers:
 Patrick Bartek:
  Sylpheed accepts plugins, too.  To what extent I don't know.
  Haven't gotten that far in the manual.  Since Claws is a fork,
  maybe, they are similar.
 
 Look 'n' feel is similar, but one of the reasons for the split was the
 ever increasing difficulty of merging Claws code into a new release of
 the Sylpheed original.  It shouldn't be difficult to migrate.
 
 From what I see at their respective web sites, CM has more plugins
 available for it that Sylpheed has.

Using Sylpheed, I once tried Claws.  For messages marked with a color
in Sylpheed, the colors got lost.  It had a couple of extra bells and
whistles I didn't need and that I found just irritating.  But that
horrible logo just about put the lid on it.  It was a picture of a
bird's claw.  Then I realized: I'm not of their kind.  Back to Sylpheed!


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Re: Thanks to All (Was: MUA Yahoo)

[Brad Rogers]

On Mon, 29 Apr 2013 19:41:17 +0200
Siard shiems...@kpnplanet.nl wrote:

Hello Siard,

Using Sylpheed, I once tried Claws.  For messages marked with a color
in Sylpheed, the colors got lost.  It had a couple of extra bells and

IDK why that happened.  I never used colouring in Sylpheed, so can't
even hazard guess for the reason.

whistles I didn't need and that I found just irritating.  But that
horrible logo just about put the lid on it.  It was a picture of a
bird's claw.  Then I realized: I'm not of their kind.  Back to Sylpheed!

Each to their own, of course.  I don't care about logos, etc.  If the
program does what I want, then it's fine by me.

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Re: Thanks to All (Was: MUA Yahoo)

[Siard]

Brad Rogers:
 Siard:
  But that horrible logo just about put the lid on it.  It was a
  picture of a bird's claw.  Then I realized: I'm not of their kind.
  Back to Sylpheed!
 
 Each to their own, of course.  I don't care about logos, etc.  If the
 program does what I want, then it's fine by me.

AFAIK, in general, the older one gets, the less important technical
aspects become w.r.t. the choices one makes, and the more important
the extent gets to which one can identify himself with the makers/
manufacturers/developers.

- Siard (male, 62)


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Re: Thanks to All

[John Hasler]

Siard writes:
 AFAIK, in general, the older one gets, the less important technical
 aspects become w.r.t. the choices one makes, and the more important
 the extent gets to which one can identify himself with the makers/
 manufacturers/developers.

That has not been my experience.
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Re: Thanks to All (Was: MUA Yahoo)

[Patrick Bartek]

On Mon, 29 Apr 2013 15:21:54 +0100
Brad Rogers b...@fineby.me.uk wrote:

 On Mon, 29 Apr 2013 07:07:01 -0700
 Patrick Bartek bartek...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 Hello Patrick,
 
 Sylpheed accepts plugins, too.  To what extent I don't know.
 Haven't gotten that far in the manual.  Since Claws is a fork, maybe,
 they are similar.
 
 Look 'n' feel is similar, but one of the reasons for the split was the
 ever increasing difficulty of merging Claws code into a new release of
 the Sylpheed original.  It shouldn't be difficult to migrate.

I installed Claws-Mail and only the Fancy plugin.  It works, sort
of:  Format HTML correctly, but doesn't show images.  Config problem?
Don't know.  Yet.

 From what I see at their respective web sites, CM has more plugins
 available for it that Sylpheed has.

Sylpheed only has one plugin.  And it wasn't what I needed.  CM plugin
don't show up in Sylpheed, but I haven't really tried finding out why
or even if they are compatible.

Gotta finish reading the f'ing manuals first. ;-)

B


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