Re: umsdos under 2.6
Martin Lefebvre wrote: On 12/9/05, Iñaki Silanes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I have a USB pendrive formatted as umsdos (I think), and I just can't mount it with my Debian Etch 2.6 kernel machine. Try vfat... works with my 2 usbdrives Thanks, Martin. I mention in my post that I have tried -t msdos and it doesn't work. -t vfat gives the very same error: Bart:~# mount /dev/autousb /mnt/usb/ -t msdos mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/autousb, missing codepage or other error In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try dmesg | tail or so which gives: Bart:~# dmesg | tail -2 FAT: invalid media value (0xb9) VFS: Can't find a valid FAT filesystem on dev sdf1. Any suggestion? -- Iñaki Silanes / Chemistry Faculty UPV-EHU Donostia http://www.sc.ehu.es/powgep99/dcytp/teoricos/staff/inaki/inaki.htm On Intelligent Design: http://www.venganza.org/
Re: umsdos under 2.6
On 12/12/05, Iñaki Silanes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, Martin. I mention in my post that I have tried -t msdos and it doesn't work. -t vfat gives the very same error: Bart:~# mount /dev/autousb /mnt/usb/ -t msdos mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/autousb, missing codepage or other error In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try dmesg | tail or so which gives: Bart:~# dmesg | tail -2 FAT: invalid media value (0xb9) VFS: Can't find a valid FAT filesystem on dev sdf1. Any suggestion? Well if -t vfat gives you the same error, you can try redoing the filesystem on the USB drive. I've seen that happen when the device is not properly unmounted, or if something bad happened to it (mine was dropped... still works, but I had to redo the FS) -- Martin Lefebvre eMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: https://sigterm.homeunix.com Registered Linux #349269 -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GAT dpu s:-- a- C+++ UL P-- L E--- W+++ N++ o-- K- w--- O- M-- V-- PS PE Y PGP-- t+++ 5- X R- tv++ b+ DI-- D+ G-- e h++ r++ y** --END GEEK CODE BLOCK--
Re: umsdos under 2.6
On 12/12/05, Martin Lefebvre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well if -t vfat gives you the same error, you can try redoing the filesystem on the USB drive. I've seen that happen when the device is not properly unmounted, or if something bad happened to it (mine was dropped... still works, but I had to redo the FS) Yikes! memory segfaulted there for a sec Before you do something so drastic, at least confirm that your kernel has msdosfs and VFAT support by checking in /lib/modules. Does the USB thingy work on other machines or with Windows for example? -- Martin Lefebvre eMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: https://sigterm.homeunix.com Registered Linux #349269 -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GAT dpu s:-- a- C+++ UL P-- L E--- W+++ N++ o-- K- w--- O- M-- V-- PS PE Y PGP-- t+++ 5- X R- tv++ b+ DI-- D+ G-- e h++ r++ y** --END GEEK CODE BLOCK--
umsdos under 2.6
Hi all, I have a USB pendrive formatted as umsdos (I think), and I just can't mount it with my Debian Etch 2.6 kernel machine. The pendrive mounts flawlessly under a Slakware 2.4 kernel machine, with a fstab entry of: /dev/sda1 /mnt/flash autonoauto,user 0 0 So, auto for fs. Im the Slackware machine the dmesg entry reads: WARNING: USB Mass Storage data integrity not assured USB Mass Storage device found at 9 SCSI device sda: 501760 512-byte hdwr sectors (257 MB) sda: Write Protect is off sda: sda1 UMSDOS 0.86k (compatibility level 0.4, fast msdos) usb.c: USB disconnect on device 00:1d.7-7 address 9 So, it says something about UMSDOS fs, right? But in my machine I get the following (I have an udev rule that creates the autousb dev for this pendrive): Bart:~# mount /dev/autousb /mnt/usb/ -t umsdos mount: unknown filesystem type 'umsdos' and: Bart:~# mount /dev/autousb /mnt/usb/ -t msdos mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/autousb, missing codepage or other error In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try dmesg | tail or so which gives: Bart:~# dmesg | tail -2 FAT: invalid media value (0xb9) VFS: Can't find a valid FAT filesystem on dev sdf1. (sdf is synonym for autousb in this case). Also fdisk says the following: Bart:/boot# fdisk /dev/autousb The number of cylinders for this disk is set to 7943412. There is nothing wrong with that, but this is larger than 1024, and could in certain setups cause problems with: 1) software that runs at boot time (e.g., old versions of LILO) 2) booting and partitioning software from other OSs (e.g., DOS FDISK, OS/2 FDISK) Command (m for help): p Disk /dev/autousb: 2082.3 GB, 2082317979648 bytes 16 heads, 32 sectors/track, 7943412 cylinders Units = cylinders of 512 * 512 = 262144 bytes Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/autousb1 * 1 980 250864e W95 FAT16 (LBA) Aside from the 2082.3 GB thing (cfdisk says it's free space, which it isn't, because there isn't such space, of course), it means that -t vfat or -t msdos should work... right? Is there any issue with umsdos and the 2.6 kernel (it's deprecated or something)? Because searching for umsdos in the packages gives the following: Bart:/boot# wajig whichpkg umsdos File Path Package ===-= /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-686-smp/kernel/fs/umsdos/umsdos.o kernel-image-2.4.27-2-686-smp /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-686-smp/kernel/fs/umsdos kernel-image-2.4.27-2-686-smp [...] Some more lines with 2.4 stuff have been omitted, but no line with 2.6 stuff appeared. I have also found that there is an umsdos package for stable and oldstable, but not for Etch... has it been deprecated/superseded? If so, by what? I have also tried to find the kernel .config settings for umsdos, an got the following: Bart:~# grep -i umsdos /boot/* /boot/config-2.4.27-2-686-smp:CONFIG_UMSDOS_FS=m So there's some umsdos module (configured as manually loadable in this case) for my 2.4.27-2-686-smp kernel, but not for my 2.6 kernel. I also found out about it by: Bart:~# modprobe umsdos FATAL: Module umsdos not found. So, please, anyone knows how to mount the damned thing in my computer? -- Iñaki Silanes / Chemistry Faculty UPV-EHU Donostia http://www.sc.ehu.es/powgep99/dcytp/teoricos/staff/inaki/inaki.htm On Intelligent Design: http://www.venganza.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: umsdos under 2.6
On 12/9/05, Iñaki Silanes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I have a USB pendrive formatted as umsdos (I think), and I just can't mount it with my Debian Etch 2.6 kernel machine. Try vfat... works with my 2 usbdrives -- Martin Lefebvre eMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: https://sigterm.homeunix.com Registered Linux #349269 -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GAT dpu s:-- a- C+++ UL P-- L E--- W+++ N++ o-- K- w--- O- M-- V-- PS PE Y PGP-- t+++ 5- X R- tv++ b+ DI-- D+ G-- e h++ r++ y** --END GEEK CODE BLOCK--
Re: /home na umsdos ??
On Wed, 19 Nov 2003, PLum wrote: Hello Daniel, DK zainstalowalem koledze knoppixa i chcialem zrobić /home jako umsdos zeby DK miał mozliwość odwrotu ale jakbym nie próbował to zawsze mam /home jako DK xwr--r--r i normalnego użytkownika pakuje do / bo nie ma mozliwosci DK czytania /home a niemoge zmienic praw do tego katalogu - jedynie DK zamontowac z innym uid alb gid hmm normalne raczej... przeca partycja msdos nie obsluguje UID i GID wiec nie ma mozliwosci zeby tam zakladac rozne konta (z roznymi uprawnieniami) jak chcesz zeby jego katalog byl msdos to daj tylko na jego ... /home/user a najlepiej /home/user/winda czy cos na msdos nie ma UID i GID. ale na umsdos jest. w koncu po cos ta atrapa powstala. ale skoro montowanie pod winda, to czemu nie vfat ? uid/gid co prawda nie ma, ale mozna wszystkiemu nadac atrybuty 777 przez odpowiednie zamontowanie partycji. rownie dobrze mozna tez wkompilowac w kernela obsluge ACL, ale nie te postfixowa bo ona modyfikuje system plikow (na faty sie nie nadaje), ale takie inne ACL, ktore sie laduje wylacznie do kernela. link: http://trustees.sourceforge.net/ wtedy w jednym pliku ktory ma sie odpalic podczas bootowania, mozna nadac dodatkowe prawa do takiego fatowskiego systemu plikow. dziala z kernelami 2.2 i 2.4 . jest tam wersja dla kernela 2.4.20 (dawno zagladalem), ale ja zapakowalem to w kernela 2.4.22 . niestety z patcha musialem wywalic support do NTFS bo nie chcial sie zalatac. i tak nie uzywam NTFS :) ja tego uzywam z powodzeniem od kilku lat ale z innych powodow. po prostu musze uzytkownikom nadawac prawa, ktore umozliwia im bezproblemowe wspoldzielenie plikow, tak ze przywiazuje prawa do katalogow i pliki to dziedzicza (podobnie jak np. w win XP), prawa do plikow nie sa wogole nadawane. a co ciekawe, jest mozliwosc kompletnego ignorowania praw unixa. znik.
/home na umsdos ??
zainstalowalem koledze knoppixa i chcialem zrobić /home jako umsdos zeby miał mozliwość odwrotu ale jakbym nie próbował to zawsze mam /home jako xwr--r--r i normalnego użytkownika pakuje do / bo nie ma mozliwosci czytania /home a niemoge zmienic praw do tego katalogu - jedynie zamontowac z innym uid alb gid
Re: /home na umsdos ??
Hello Daniel, Tuesday, November 18, 2003, 4:48:40 PM, you wrote: DK zainstalowalem koledze knoppixa i chcialem zrobić /home jako umsdos zeby DK miał mozliwość odwrotu ale jakbym nie próbował to zawsze mam /home jako DK xwr--r--r i normalnego użytkownika pakuje do / bo nie ma mozliwosci DK czytania /home a niemoge zmienic praw do tego katalogu - jedynie DK zamontowac z innym uid alb gid hmm normalne raczej... przeca partycja msdos nie obsluguje UID i GID wiec nie ma mozliwosci zeby tam zakladac rozne konta (z roznymi uprawnieniami) jak chcesz zeby jego katalog byl msdos to daj tylko na jego ... /home/user a najlepiej /home/user/winda czy cos -- Best regards, PLummailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
msdos has umsdos and vfat has ?????
Hi Guys n Gals, I would like to have umsdos with the long file name ability. Does anyone have such a setup ? If so, how ? My googling brought up uvfat (from around 1997-1998) but that seems to have disappeared altogether from most everywhere. Regards, Shri -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: umsdos and vfat works but no uvfat - any ideas?
On Sat, Jun 15, 2002 at 04:36:28PM +0100, Shri Shrikumar wrote: Hi All, I've been trying to get uvfat working and it says that I just need to enable umsdos and vfat (which I have) and they both work fine. However, when I do mount -t uvfat /dev/hda11 /mnt it tells me that uvfat is not supported by the kernel. Anybody get uvfat working and if so, how ? Im running kernel 2.4.18 BTW on Deb Woody. root # modprobe umsdos root # modprobe vfat root # cat /proc/filesystems nodev rootfs nodev bdev nodev proc nodev sockfs nodev tmpfs nodev shm nodev pipefs cramfs nodev devfs nodev devpts ext3 ext2 nodev autofs msdos umsdos vfat Looks like no support for uvfat. But I do not see uvfat in manual page of mount. I see no occurance of uvfat in 2.4 kernel source. Where did you get idea for uvfat? -- ~\^o^/~~~ ~\^.^/~~~ ~\^*^/~~~ ~\^_^/~~~ ~\^+^/~~~ ~\^:^/~~~ ~\^v^/~~~ + Osamu Aoki @ Cupertino CA USA See User's Guide: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/users-guide/ See Debian reference: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ Debian reference Project at: http://qref.sf.net I welcome your constructive criticisms and corrections. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: umsdos and vfat works but no uvfat - any ideas?
On Sun, 2002-06-16 at 20:03, Osamu Aoki wrote: On Sat, Jun 15, 2002 at 04:36:28PM +0100, Shri Shrikumar wrote: Hi All, I've been trying to get uvfat working and it says that I just need to enable umsdos and vfat (which I have) and they both work fine. However, when I do mount -t uvfat /dev/hda11 /mnt it tells me that uvfat is not supported by the kernel. Anybody get uvfat working and if so, how ? Im running kernel 2.4.18 BTW on Deb Woody. root # modprobe umsdos root # modprobe vfat root # cat /proc/filesystems nodev rootfs nodev bdev nodev proc nodev sockfs nodev tmpfs nodev shm nodev pipefs cramfs nodev devfs nodev devpts ext3 ext2 nodev autofs msdos umsdos vfat Looks like no support for uvfat. But I do not see uvfat in manual page of mount. I see no occurance of uvfat in 2.4 kernel source. Where did you get idea for uvfat? just google for it (I was originally looking for vfat with unix meta information like umsdos for msdos) It looks like it existed at least at some point. Any ideas where I might be able to get more info on it - couldn't really find any email addresses in my hunt. All help appreciated. Shri -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
umsdos and vfat works but no uvfat - any ideas?
Hi All, I've been trying to get uvfat working and it says that I just need to enable umsdos and vfat (which I have) and they both work fine. However, when I do mount -t uvfat /dev/hda11 /mnt it tells me that uvfat is not supported by the kernel. Anybody get uvfat working and if so, how ? Im running kernel 2.4.18 BTW on Deb Woody. Regards, Shri -- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Problema con UMSDOS y FAT32
Buenas, Tengo un problema al usar UMSDOS sobre una partición FAT32, y es q cuando cambio un uid o los permisos de un fichero al cabo de un rato vuelve a tener los originales. Alguien sabe pq es esto? Alguien a usado UMSDOS sobre FAT32? Gracias de antemano y saludos a todas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
umsdos/loopback with debian
hi all, what i want to do is convert my existing linux partition into an umsdos or loopback filesystem to send to a friend. i have done the opposite - converted umsdos to ext2, but could someone tell me how to go the other way? thanks, saqib
Re: umsdos/loopback with debian
on Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 07:10:53AM +0100, Saqib Shaikh ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: hi all, what i want to do is convert my existing linux partition into an umsdos or loopback filesystem to send to a friend. i have done the opposite - converted umsdos to ext2, but could someone tell me how to go the other way? First: why? Second: what are you trying to accomplish? If you're sending a umsdos image, he will need GNU/Linux to access it, ditto a loopback image. You're not trying to give this to someone running Legacy MS Windows to see what GNU/Linux looks like are you? Third: archive formats -- tar, cpio, afio, etc., are far preferable for transferring sets of files, directory trees, or partitions, in general. That said, if you're trying to image a partition, the way to do it in raw format is, assuming /dev/hda1 as the device the partition is on, and 'mypartition.img' as the image file: # Image partition via dd: $ dd if=/dev/hda1 of=mypartition.img bs=1024 ...this partition can be mounted as a loopback filesystem. To create an arbitrary filesystem as an image file, and copy content into it. Note that I'm not sure umsdos can be created in this fashion. # Create a zeroed-out file of sufficient size to save to: $ dd if=/dev/zero bs=1024 count=size of image in KB of=image.img $ mkfs.fstype image.img $ mkdir /tmp/mount.point $ mount -o loop -t fstype image.img /tmp/mount.point # copy data into the new partition via perferred method. E.g.: $ cd /mypartition; tar cvf - . | ( cd /tmp/mount.point; tar xvf - ) ...I think. Cheers. -- Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.comhttp://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of Gestalt don't you understand? There is no K5 cabal http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ http://www.kuro5hin.org pgpZTrsxHJg4Q.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Debian umsdos
En debian no he hecho nada sobre eso, pero sí he probado una minidistribución llamada doslinux que no necesitas particionar (creo que no usa umsdos). Crea un dichero gordo de lo que tú digas (a mí con 80 megas me cabían hasta las Xwindows y el wmaker). Si ves que te falta sitio, se le corre una utilidad (ya no me acuerdo muy bien cual) y te hace el fichero gordo más grande. Está basada en slackware y el mc lo da configurado para instalar y desinstalar los paquetes de slackware muy fácilmente. Yo lo usé en un 486 con 450 Mb 33MHz y me funcionó muy bien. Las Xwindows algo lentas pero la máquina no daba para más. En umsdos creo que funciona la minidistribución microlinux (mulinux), pero no te la recomiendo porque creo que iba con libc5 y era bastante cerrada en cuanto a la instalación de otros paquetes y iba en el mismo PC bastante más lenta que doslinux. Pero de esto hace 2 años y ahora parece que tiene muchas más cosas. Trae hasta 8 addons (8 diskettes de utilidades) La dirección de doslinux es http://www.tux.org/pub/people/kent-robotti/index.html Otra dirección donde vienen muchas minidistribuciones es http://www.ciberdroide.com/misc/donde/dondelinux.html busca en minidistribuciones. La más completa dentro de minidistribuciones me parece doslinux. Saludos
Debian umsdos
Holas lista!! Hace un tiempo tuve una version de slink que permitia hacer una instalacion en un disco usando el formato umsdos. El caso es que ahora mi hermana tiene un 486 con un hd no muy grande y windows instalado (que conste que yo ya le dije que le iria lent...), y como no puedo particionar pq no se cuanto disco va a necesitar, me gustaria instalarle debian en un formato umsdos (si no pudiera ser debian, pues otra, pero entonces ya no sera con mi querida espiral...) Gracias -- Corolario de Farnsdick - Después que las cosas hayan ido de mal en peor, el ciclo se repetirá por sí mismo.
Re: [Q] Debian with UMSDOS part.
On Sat, 30 Dec 2000 kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote: Not that I'm aware of. Too bad. :-( SuSE GNU/Linux had an option to install onto a UMSDOS partition some time back, as well as a live CD installation. There's also PHAT Linux, as well as a number of other GNU/Linux distributions which were intended for installation under Legacy MS Windows. Yes I know. I have already an UMSDOS installation of Peanut Linux, but I just wanted to give a try to Debian. Why do you want to do this? In general, you get much better performance, functionality, and safety, running on a standard ext2fs (or similar) partition. Actually I have a 100% Linux Box (RedHat) and a 100% FreeBSD box, home. However, in my work they don't let me to install Linux (I really don't know why), so I have to use Winblows. I tried to explain that an UMSDOS installation is a kind of Linux emulation (sic), although I know that this is not true, and they believed it! :-) Thanx for your answer. Best wishes for the new year! Cheers, Elias -- Elias Athanasopoulos | I bet the human brain is | H.E.P Apps. Lab. http://www.uoa.gr/~eatha | a kludge. -Marvin Minsky | University Of Athens
Re: [Q] Debian with UMSDOS part.
on Thu, Dec 28, 2000 at 03:13:24PM +0200, Elias Athanasopoulos ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Hi! Is there an installation image in order to have Debian Linux installed under an MS-DOS partition? Any sources are welcomed. Not that I'm aware of. SuSE GNU/Linux had an option to install onto a UMSDOS partition some time back, as well as a live CD installation. There's also PHAT Linux, as well as a number of other GNU/Linux distributions which were intended for installation under Legacy MS Windows. At a minimum, you'd need msdos, vfat, and/or umsdos support in the kernel (compiled-in, not a module). I'd start poking around through the the HOWTOs and possibly some of the Linux-on-DOS distributions to see how they're configured. Why do you want to do this? In general, you get much better performance, functionality, and safety, running on a standard ext2fs (or similar) partition. -- Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.comhttp://kmself.home.netcom.com/ Evangelist, Zelerate, Inc. http://www.zelerate.org What part of Gestalt don't you understand? There is no K5 cabal http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/http://www.kuro5hin.org
[Q] Debian with UMSDOS part.
Hi! Is there an installation image in order to have Debian Linux installed under an MS-DOS partition? Any sources are welcomed. Regards, Elias PS. Please 'cc' me, as I am not subscribed. -- Elias Athanasopoulos | I bet the human brain is | H.E.P Apps. Lab. http://www.uoa.gr/~eatha | a kludge. -Marvin Minsky | University Of Athens
Installing Debian into dos filesystem (umsdos)
Yes, I know it's better to have an own partition for Linux as i do for my private Linux box. But here at work I can't delete or shrink partitions. Therefore I'd like to install Debian (slink or potato) into an already existing dos filesystem with umsdos. What I have: PII 300 / 64 Mb 100 Mb free space in the target filesystem. (enough for me) I can boot from CD (and have a [pre]potato-cd). I already installed systems from this CD. I could copy the umsdos module into the msdos filesystem. I could create bootdisks. I could compile a modified kernel. - Is it possible? - How do I proceed? As usual, any hint is very appreciated Matthias Maisenbacher
Re: Debian on UMSDOS?
On Mon, May 15, 2000 at 03:40:13PM +0100, Graeme Mathieson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, Steve Lamb [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Subject says all. Has anyone successfully installed Debian on a UMSDOS partition? Well, can't say that I have. Another solution which (I've heard) is workable. Installing on a loopback filesystem. I've never heard of it being done with Debian, but it'd be worth investigating... Hi, I did loopback instalation. I simply installed looplinux distribution and used Debian install from disk. Mirek
Debian on UMSDOS?
Subject says all. Has anyone successfully installed Debian on a UMSDOS partition? -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+-
Re: Debian on UMSDOS?
Subject says all. Has anyone successfully installed Debian on a UMSDOS partition? is this a is it possible at all or how difficult is it question? the answer to the first one is yes, to the second one no idea *g*. i've made this some years ago with an old redhat. it wasn't funny. an umsdos /dev directory with 2000 nodes is slow. -- Hi! I'm a .signature virus! Copy me into your ~/.signature, please! -- If Windows is the answer, I want the problems back!
Re: Debian on UMSDOS?
On Mon, May 15, 2000 at 03:45:19PM +0200, Oswald Buddenhagen wrote: is this a is it possible at all or how difficult is it question? the answer to the first one is yes, to the second one no idea *g*. i've made this some years ago with an old redhat. it wasn't funny. an umsdos /dev directory with 2000 nodes is slow. The latter. I know I can get Slackware onto UMSDOS fairly easy as well as a few others (Monkey Linux comes to mind). I much prefer Debian however. Easier to have the dreaded Win98 (Asheron's Call, mmm) and Linux on a single partition for multi-booting that to juggle different partitions. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+-
Re: Debian on UMSDOS?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, Steve Lamb [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Subject says all. Has anyone successfully installed Debian on a UMSDOS partition? Well, can't say that I have. Another solution which (I've heard) is workable. Installing on a loopback filesystem. I've never heard of it being done with Debian, but it'd be worth investigating... - -- Graeme. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Life's not fair, I reply. But the root password helps. - BOFH -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE5IAxLPjGH3lNt65URAndzAJ41HfjfrLN6pwNZiHrPEhLHler59QCgsbqF B9PnKZ0iaXmugBxvUFRYAxo= =OiEV -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Debian on UMSDOS?
The latter. I know I can get Slackware onto UMSDOS fairly easy as well as a few others (Monkey Linux comes to mind). I much prefer Debian however. Easier to have the dreaded Win98 (Asheron's Call, mmm) and Linux on a single partition for multi-booting that to juggle different partitions. ok ... i don't know, if the boot floppies offer the install on umsdos option. i guess no, otherwise you probably would not ask. so you would have to go that way (only my ideas, i didn't try that): make a directory c:\linux boot linux. load the umsdos fs driver module. define /dev/hda1 as your / partition; set the type to umsdos; mount it (all this _should_ be possible in the setup program - if not, you have to go to the second console (ALT-F1) and do mount -t umsdos /dev/hda1 /target). if everything works as expected, you should be able to to install lunux now (i hope, the partition does not require a initial setup - if it does, you have a problem). now comes the hard part: you need a kernel with umsdos support compiled in. i don't think, you will find that in the standard kernels. would be nice, if somebody could tell a place to get such thing, otherwise i can compile a kernel for you (you would have to tell me something about your hardware). final notes: 1) these are only thoughts! they may be total bullshit! 2) it is no good idea to install linux and windoze on one partition. it is a performance (umsdos is slow by nature, if it was not drastically improved since the 2.0.0 kernel *g*) and security issue (a stupid windows virus might delete all your linux files, you have no protection while in windoze). however ... good luck! -- Hi! I'm a .signature virus! Copy me into your ~/.signature, please! -- If Windows is the answer, I want the problems back!
Re: Debian on UMSDOS?
you have to go to the second console (ALT-F1) and do ALT-F2, of course, but you know, don't you? ;-) -- Hi! I'm a .signature virus! Copy me into your ~/.signature, please! -- If Windows is the answer, I want the problems back!
Re: Debian on UMSDOS?
On Mon, May 15, 2000 at 07:38:41AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: snipped Easier to have the dreaded Win98 (Asheron's Call, mmm) and Linux on a single partition for multi-booting that to juggle different partitions. When I got my laptop a few months ago, I set it up to dual-boot Win98 and Debian. Win98 and Debian exist on seperate partitions, and the booting is handled through LILO. It was actually quite easy to do. -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | Where do you want to go today? | As far from Redmond as possible! '91 GS500E| Morgantown WV | Only dead fish go with the flow.
Re: Debian on UMSDOS?
On Mon, May 15, 2000 at 02:46:09PM -0400, Mike Werner wrote: When I got my laptop a few months ago, I set it up to dual-boot Win98 and Debian. Win98 and Debian exist on seperate partitions, and the booting is handled through LILO. It was actually quite easy to do. I know it is easy to do. I don't feel like resizing the partitions and trying to keep the two partitions with enough free space to be viable. I'd much rather keep them on a single large partition so the free space is shared between them. I mean I'm the guy who was sick enough to have Win95, WinNT, OS/2 and Linux all on one machine. :) -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+-
Can UMSDOS support long filenames on FAT32?
Hi, I have a fat32 partition which I mount by typing 'mount -t umsdos /dev/hdb3 /mnt'. On this partition I have files with names longer than 8 letters and now when I make a 'umssync .' all the files with long filenames get renamed to 8.3 format. Is there someway I can make Umsdos support long filenames? / John UIN:7325429 E-MAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http:/hem2.passagen.se/highlndr
Instalar debian desde UMSDOS
¿Alguno de vosotros ha conseguido/intentado instalar Debian en UMSDOS? Estuve peleándome el fin de semana para instalarla en UMSDOS (un directorio de una partición DOS), con resultados ... bueno, más bien sin resultados y punto ;D (lo estuve intentando con RedHat y con Debian). En teoría basta con montar el raiz en el umsdos desde la consola que tienes en tty2 cuando arranca la instalación de debian y pasar de las opciones del menú de debian para crear y activar la partición de swap y crear la partición root (se crea desde esa consola cuando montas el sistema umsdos). El problema inicial es que los kernels que traen los CDs no reconocen el sistema umsdos, y la cosa es que no tengo acceso a un módulo umsdos que concuerde con el kernel que trae el instalador. Supongo que luego, a la hora de arrancar el sistema, habría otro problema y es que el kernel tiene que tener umsdos no como módulo, sino linkado estáticamente, ya que si no, al arrancar pegará un petardo que pá qué (pasa lo mismo si tienes el root en ext2, tienes que tener el fs ext2 linkado estáticamente). Una solución sería compilar un kernel con el soporte que necesite, pero me gustaría saber si un usuario que no tenga linux podría instalarlo en umsdos :-m Estuve mirando en las imágenes de boot disks de debian, pero sólo tienen el 1440, el 1440tecra y poco más :-m (y ninguno de ellos viene con un kernel con soporte umsdos). Igual tendría que mirar los kernels de la slackware, que suele traer un montón de boot disks con kernel de lo más variopinto. Antonio Tejada Lacaci [EMAIL PROTECTED] Depto. Análisis y Programación Banca March S.A.
Debian on UMSDOS
Does anyone have any experience with installing Debian on a UMSDOS partition? -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+-
Problemas con UMSDOS
Quiero poner Linux en un 486 pero sin reparticionar el HD (solo particion swap), pero no se como instalarlo para usar umsdos ¿Alguien puede ayudarme? Gracias -- Cada día, un nuevo día Y cada noche a dormir (¿o no?)
Problemas con UMSDOS
Quiero poner Linux en un 486 pero sin reparticionar el HD (solo particion swap), pero no se como instalarlo para usar umsdos ¿Alguien puede ayudarme?
Debain and FAT32/UMSDOS
Can I install Debain/GNU linux on a FAT32/UMSDOS partition like Zip Slackware?
using umsdos
Hi, Is there anyone using debian with umsdos? Is there a documentation somewhere of how to install a Debian umsdos root filesystem? The umsdos howto is pretty old... I have a PC with NT borrowed for some weeks and I don't want to repartition the disk... Is there a better solution? Is it possible to create my root filesystem in a single DOS file and boot from a diskette? Thanks in advance, Marko
Re: UMSDOS as root
I've been trying to run UMSDOS as my root partition for the last week or so. I posted to the debian-user list to see if anyone knew about how to make this work, but I haven't received a reply yet. Debian definitely doesn't support UMSDOS as root out of the box. I can get tantalizingly close to having a working system, but odd things are happening (like perl disappearing, or shrinking down to 24 bytes or losing its executable status). Normally, UMSDOS has been quite robust for me, so I suspect that somehow when used as the root partition under Debian it has some problems. If you don't specifically want to run Debian (which I do), you should check out the IronWing distribution (do a search; I don't have the URL handy). It's designed to run out of a UMSDOS root partition, and it works quite well. It's a Slackware derivative, but it knows how to handle RedHat RPMs, so you should be able to install what you need. Steve
running linux UMSDOS(?)
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Help installing Debian on UMSDOS file system?
I'm trying to install Debian on my wife's laptop that's currently running Windows 95. She's afraid that if I repartition it to make space for Linux, that she won't be able to reinstall all the Win95 software that's on the disk (it's a Compaq, and they don't ship Win95 installation CDs with their boxes). So, I'm trying to make a UMSDOS partition and set up Debian using that. The Debian installation system doesn't seem to support UMSDOS based installation directly, although I've managed to put a UMSDOS-aware kernel on the rescue disk and get it to boot. I untarred the base_2.0.tgz file into a top level target directory that I'vecalled linux, as that's what loadlin and the UMSDOS-aware kernels seem to want for their root file systems. The Debian installation system wants to mount a partition itself; I tried mounting my UMSDOS partition by hand, but Debian didn't like it (though I don't know the magic to get /dev/hda1/linux mounted directly as a UMSDOS partition; so this may be why Debian doesn't see it). Debian said your system is unconfigured and maybe you need to install your rescue disk into the floppy drive and reboot. I've been using Debian since late '93, and have it installed on all my other computers, but this one has me stumped. Hopefully, someone can tell me: a) what the Debian does when configuring the base system so that I can do that by hand? b) how and where to mount the /linux directory UMSDOS partition so that the Debian installation system recognizes it as a valid Debian system that I can then complete the configuration on? c) is there some other way to install onto a UMSDOS paritition? d) there used to be dpkg.tar that you could use to bootstrap the installation process with; I can't find it anymore...is it still in existence? I tried installing the IronWing distribution which does run out of the box in a UMSDOS partition and then upgrading it to Debian, but I got stuck when trying to install the Debian glibc (IronWing is Slackware based, and is somewhat behind the times in the versions of software that are available for it; also, its /etc files use the different rc.d setup (no init.d), so installing .deb packages tends to lose when they try to set up their rc files). I appreciate any help that you can provide. Thanks! Steve
UMSDOS on Debian
I would like to install Debian without partitioning a disk. Is it possible to install Debian on a UMSDOS filesystem? Has anybody some hints or can post any pointer regarding this issue? Thanks Salvador Bosque -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: Instalar Debian sobre UMSDOS
On Tue, Jul 14, 1998 at 09:19:54PM +0200, Alberto Ruiz wrote: Hola a todos! ¿Como se podria instalar Debian 1.3.1 sobre umsdos? Quiero instalar Debian sobre umsdos y habia pensado en creal el sistema de ficheros con los diskettes de instalacion de una Slackware que deja instalar en umsdos y una vez creado el sistema de ficheros instalar Debian indicando como destino de instalacion la particion umsdos. Pero no funciona. ¿Podria hacerse lo que yo quiero? Actualmente el sistema de instalación no contempla la instalación sobre UMSDOS. No es un fallo, es una característica. El UMSDOS es un sistema poco eficiente y con bastante problemas, así que no está previsto usarlo, ni ahora ni en un futuro, hasta que se mejore (y el propio autor no lo tiene muy claro). Eso no quita para que puedas hacer la instalación a mano, pero es una tarea algo compleja. Hay mucha gente que desea probar el Linux sin reparticionar su disco. Aunque el sistema resultante es tremendamente ineficiente (lo que puede dar lugar a que piensen que el Linux, cualquier Linux, es ineficiente), puede ser interesante atender a esa demanda y ofrecer esa posibilidad, de hecho es una de las cosas en la lista por-hacer del sistema de instalación de Debian. Aprovechando una conversación paralela en el proyecto Debian GNU/Hurd he estado jugando con la idea de instalar Debian en una partición ext2fs virtual, contenida en un fichero en la partición MS-DOS. Esto elimina la necesidad de reparticionar, y cuando el usuario se canse del Linux (¡imposible!) ;-) borramos el fichero desde el DOS y yasstá. En cualquier caso no es algo que vaya a estar listo en poco tiempo. Saludos, -- Enrique Zanardi [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Instalar Debian sobre UMSDOS
Hola a todos! ¿Como se podria instalar Debian 1.3.1 sobre umsdos? Quiero instalar Debian sobre umsdos y habia pensado en creal el sistema de ficheros con los diskettes de instalacion de una Slackware que deja instalar en umsdos y una vez creado el sistema de ficheros instalar Debian indicando como destino de instalacion la particion umsdos. Pero no funciona. ¿Podria hacerse lo que yo quiero? Un saludo, Alberto. +--+ ¦ ¿Telefónica nos Estafa? (recogida de firmas) ¦ ¦ Y también las nuevas tarifas de Telefónica...¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ http://www.arrakis.es/~albertor/ ¦ +--+ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: umsdos run on fat32 ?
On Mon, Jun 08, 1998 at 01:33:40PM -0400, R. Chris Ross wrote: I have recently gotten a laptop at work that I need to run Win95 and later, likely NT. It would be great to also load Linux in the same partition. Can Debian be installed using an umsdos file system in a fat32 partition? NT can't read FAT32 anyway, but I don't think it'd work. I may be wrong. pgpRTqR3yPtvQ.pgp Description: PGP signature
umsdos run on fat32 ?
I have recently gotten a laptop at work that I need to run Win95 and later, likely NT. It would be great to also load Linux in the same partition. Can Debian be installed using an umsdos file system in a fat32 partition? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Installing UMSDOS
HEllo ! Can anybody tell me an URL or any other docu. when i can find more information how to install UMSDOS on DOS partition? thnx ! james -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Installing UMSDOS
i believe there is a UMSDOS howto at: http://sunsite.unc.edu/LDP/HOWTO/UMSDOS-HOWTO.html i found this to be pretty helpful when installing umsdos for my machine. -sen at some point around Tue, 17 Feb 1998 12:37:21 +0100 Bujtar Janos [EMAIL PROTECTED] mentioned: HEllo ! Can anybody tell me an URL or any other docu. when i can find more information how to install UMSDOS on DOS partition? -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: umsdos
Jason Ish said I have to install Linux onto a umsdos file system on one of my computers, even though I know it isn't a suggested practice. What steps should I take to install a fresh debian system onto umsdos. I have a up and running Debian system to make a new kernel and what not. Thanks for any info or pointers to info. Jason I've asked the same myself, and got some feedback: - Forwarded message from Giuliano Procida - From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sat Aug 23 15:02:52 1997 To: Martin Str|mberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: UMSDOS support for boot-floppies Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 14:02:48 +0100 From: Giuliano Procida [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have done this already. However, there are bugs in UMSDOS [yes, the Linux kernel] which make it impossible to use reliably. In particular there is one bug of unknown origin that completely crashes Linux (it never returns from a syscall). This bug is triggered during dpkg -i ncurses-term* . Another bug caused dpkg -i libc* to fail [but this has been isolated]. For the moment, I have suspended further development work on UMSDOS support. It is possible that the UMSDOS stuff may be cleaned up when it is converted to work with new dcache scheme in the 2.1 kernels. If you are interested in my work to date, please feel free to take a look at ftp://hilfy.magd.cam.ac.uk/pub/ boot-floppies/*patch* and current/PROBLEMS . I can make a more recent patch available if you are interested. Giuliano. - End of forwarded message from Giuliano Procida - Please note that this info is somewhat dated, but the ftp directory is still there. There might be some info in the debian-user mailing list archives as well. HTH, MartinS -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: umsdos
On Tue, Dec 09, 1997 at 01:27:20PM -0600, Jason Ish wrote: I have to install Linux onto a umsdos file system on one of my computers, even though I know it isn't a suggested practice. What steps should I take to install a fresh debian system onto umsdos. I have a up and running Debian system to make a new kernel and what not. Youch! I tried doing this a while ago and when I finally had it working, I tried to shrink it down in size and then broke it and gave up. I used a normal Debian box and mounted the directory etc. Maybe there is a cunning way to do this using a looped? filesystem? Adrian email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Debian Linux - www.debian.org http://www.poboxes.com/adrian.bridgett | Because bloated, unstable PGP key available on public key servers | operating systems are from MS -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: umsdos
On Tue, Dec 09, 1997 at 01:27:20PM -0600, Jason Ish wrote: I have to install Linux onto a umsdos file system on one of my computers, even though I know it isn't a suggested practice. What steps should I take to install a fresh debian system onto umsdos. I have a up and running Debian system to make a new kernel and what not. First, you have to roll a kernel with umsdos compiled in. I don't remember how exactly Slack does it, but the idea is to have root in a umsdos dir and to use swapfile on dos fs. Details should be in UMSDOS-HOWTO I guess. You'll also want to go through /etc/init.d/scripts and hunt down calls to e2fsck etc. -- Dimitri if replying to a Usenet posting, reply to emaziuk at curtin dot edu dot au The views expressed above (hereafter, views) are mine and ownership remains with me. They are provided as is without expressed or implied warranty of any kind, including, but not limited to, the implied warranties of the suitability of the views for any purpose. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
umsdos
I have to install Linux onto a umsdos file system on one of my computers, even though I know it isn't a suggested practice. What steps should I take to install a fresh debian system onto umsdos. I have a up and running Debian system to make a new kernel and what not. Thanks for any info or pointers to info. Jason [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
debian in umsdos
Hi, I'm trying to install debian in a umsdos partition (it's for my father, which cannot repartition the hard-disk). This my plan: 1) install doslinux in /dev/hda1 (DOS partition); 2) go to my Linux system in /dev/hdc1; 3) mount -tumsdos /dev/hda1 /mnt; 4) rm -r /mnt/linux/*; 5) cd /mnt/linux; 6) gzip -cd ~/debian.tar.gz | tar -xf -; (debian.tar.gz is a debian base system prepackaged) 7) put the doslinux kernel zimage.dos in the new linux system and modify the loadlin script supplied with doslinux. 8) edit /etc/fstab etc. 9) go to DOS and make a ZIP archive of /linux 10) deZIP the archive over the hard-disk of my father. but after step 6, I've a problem: if I go to dos and call loadlin the kernel start, begin to mount the filesystem and then it hang; this happen before of the INIT message. With doslinux the system start normally. I've used a debia 1.3 system. Can anyone en-light me on the problem? Please CC the answer to me: I cannot stand the mail traffic of debian-devel+debian-user. ciao Francesco [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Debian over MS-DOS (UMSDOS distribution)
Does anyone have experience of running Debian as a UMSDOS system - I have used a Slakware based system built on UMSDOS as a gentle introduction to Linux for people who dont like the idea of partitioning their hard disks, just to try Linux. They pull a big tar file off the network, and a copy of gnu tar for DOS, untar it and use Bootlin to reboot into Linux, where they automatically pick up their IP address etc through BOOTP and they can then install anything outside the base system via an NFS mounted Slakware distribution. The whole process takes about 10 minutes and they can get rid of Linux from Windows file manager very quickly if they want. (Very few people do get rid of it, but it is much easier to persuade someone to try it if they know they can get back to where they started very easily.) John Lines -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Debian over MS-DOS (UMSDOS distribution)
John Lines wrote: Does anyone have experience of running Debian as a UMSDOS system I'm cc'ing this to a friend who runs 3 debian systems over top of umsdos. I wouldn't reccommend it, but if you have to do it, maybe he can help you. - I have used a Slakware based system built on UMSDOS as a gentle introduction to Linux for people who dont like the idea of partitioning their hard disks, just to try Linux. They pull a big tar file off the network, and a copy of gnu tar for DOS, untar it and use Bootlin to reboot into Linux, where they automatically pick up their IP address etc through BOOTP and they can then install anything outside the base system via an NFS mounted Slakware distribution. The whole process takes about 10 minutes and they can get rid of Linux from Windows file manager very quickly if they want. (Very few people do get rid of it, but it is much easier to persuade someone to try it if they know they can get back to where they started very easily.) John Lines -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- see shy jo -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: umsdos and df command
On Tue, 29 Jul 1997, Jim Foltz wrote: Anyway, it uses umsdos. I am using a bastardized version of /etc/init.d/boot and have prety much left the filesystem checking as it is by default. The umsdos filesystem (root) is mounted and sync'd ok, but the df command does not show that /dev/hda1 was mounted, although it obviously is because the system boots. Can anyone offer a clue as to why this might be? I ran slackware over umsdos just to try out linux, but I've since chucked all the documentation away. I think what you observe is just a feature of the way umsdos works. C:\LINUX gets promoted to / and C:\ is made visible to linux as /DOS, IIRC. Quite where one would expect to see /dev/hda1 mounted is a complete mystery to me! (Presumably, you can't see /DOS/linux either, even though you know C:\LINUX exists. I don't remember.) -- David Wright, Open University, Earth Science Department, Milton Keynes MK7 6AA U.K. email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel: +44 1908 653 739 fax: +44 1908 655 151 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
umsdos and df command
Hello everyone I have made a small (3.5M) Linux installation for DOS users so they can use the network services of our local community network. (free PPP limited to an hour per day; not bad for nuthin' huh?) Anyway, it uses umsdos. I am using a bastardized version of /etc/init.d/boot and have prety much left the filesystem checking as it is by default. The umsdos filesystem (root) is mounted and sync'd ok, but the df command does not show that /dev/hda1 was mounted, although it obviously is because the system boots. Can anyone offer a clue as to why this might be? -- Regards, Jim -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Debian generic kernal w/umsdos?
Robin,
If you only want to do backup's, i can recomend you to have an ext2
partition, i do my backup's from dos too, but i generate the linux files
with tar, what i do is the following:
tar -cf archi.tar dir1 dir2 dir3
// this creates archi.tar with directories dir1 dir2 dir3 and all
// it's subdirectories
gzip -9 archi.tar
// this zip's the file with maximum compresion and generates
// archi.tar.gz
mv archi.tar.gz archi.tgz
// this creates an 8.3 dos style file name to copy to one dos
// partition
cp archi.tgz /dos/c/direndos/subd-dos
// this copies the file to a dos subdirectorie in my particular
// setup of partitions, i mount mine dos partitions by default
// in /etc/fstab
There are only two drawbacks as i see it, one is that you need write
permision to the dos partitions to do this, and for that you must do the
final copy as root, the rest can be done with your normal user. And the
second is that you must have i lot of free diskspace if you want to backup
a directory with lots of files in it.
And if you have Windoze 95, then you could mount it's partitions with the
vfat filesystem, and could have even long filenames.
To mount a dos partition in linux, just do the following:
mkdir /dos
mkdir /dos/c
{this is the way i like it, you could use a single dir}
mount /dev/hdaX /dos/c -t msdos
{where X is 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, which ever is your dos partition}
or,
mount /dev/hdaX /dos/c -t vfat
{for windoze 95 file system with long file names, to access names with
spaces in it, as Program files, you could do:
cd /dos/c/Program files
}
On Mon, 9 Jun 1997, Robin Rowe wrote:
Chuck,
Thanks for the reply. I guess I have to make my own kernal.
The main reason I want to run Debian on a dos partition is so that I can
see unix files from the Win95 side (backups and other conveniences). The
umsdos faq says that I shouldn't expect any degradation in speed or
reliability, only size. Was this a false claim?
As for the degradation, i have used a linux distribution (don't remember
it's name), that run's under dos with umsdos, and in it documentation it
say's it only run on umsdos because of the convenience for new user's to
try it before decide on partitioning his hard disk, and i was realy
disapointed in the terms of speed, i could always expect that slackware or
debian run on my 486dx 100 with 8 mb of ram twice as fast as windoze 95,
(which slows the machine to a 386sx 25mhz), but it run's just the same
speed, because my machine does not have enought memory i think, and use a
lot of swaping, but with ext2 it's so fast i almost can't notice it. :)
HTH,
Roberto Ruiz
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Re: Debian generic kernal w/umsdos?
Chuck, This may be a trade-off you're willing to make - it just needs (IMNSHO) to be an informed decision. I think I can live with it. This is for a primarily Win95 box, not a unix server. If umsdos will work decently I should be able to be happy w/o ext2. I'm not having much luck with the UMSDOS kernal I compiled. When I use loadlin to bring it up it hangs trying to load root.bin. It says VFS error. This is the generic root.bin, which works fine loading with the generic kernal. I'm using the loadlin parameters from the debian install FAQ. Do I need to make a custom root.bin to go with my custom kernal? How? Thanks. Robin === Robin Rowe, PM SAIC San Diego [EMAIL PROTECTED] 619-225-3107 RD in Internet video and speech recognition using Java and C++ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Debian generic kernal w/umsdos?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Mon, 9 Jun 1997, Robin Rowe wrote: The umsdos faq says that I shouldn't expect any degradation in speed or reliability, only size. Was this a false claim? No. Nowadays this is true. In the past (1.2 kernels) UMSDOS was rather slow. Ext2 however still is more stable I believe. Nils - -- \ /| Nils Rennebarth --* WINDOWS 42 *-- | Schillerstr. 61 / \| 37083 Göttingen | ++49-551-71626 Micro$oft's final answer | http://www.nus.de/~nils -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: noconv iQB1AwUBM50cSVptA0IhBm0NAQGfoAL/aNKDB/Wb8E/IDuUpWdtikdrGNtKR2bZZ zhEQBtGr76a3bhd0kVEuy3qn3k1YtntRxzSzFRTmJ3mvHkUBVZQGfip8yV4MlNPv 9uWQqB7uP42QSMszTiHjZmNlWxZzpCOt =lcYv -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Debian generic kernal w/umsdos?
Hi. I want to install Debian on a system without an ext2 partition. I can boot the install program using loadlin, but can't mount my umsdos partition because the generic kernal doesn't support umsdos. My intention, perhaps wrongly, is to 'mount -t umsdos /dev/hdc2 /target'. I have Debian installed on another partition that is ext2, but am looking for a general procedure that won't require that. Is there a generic Debian kernal I can download with umsdos support, or is there some other procedure to allow me to install Debian directly on a dos partition? Thanks. Robin === Robin Rowe, PM SAIC San Diego [EMAIL PROTECTED] 619-225-3107 RD in Internet video and speech recognition using Java and C++ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Debian generic kernal w/umsdos?
Chuck, Thanks for the reply. I guess I have to make my own kernal. The main reason I want to run Debian on a dos partition is so that I can see unix files from the Win95 side (backups and other conveniences). The umsdos faq says that I shouldn't expect any degradation in speed or reliability, only size. Was this a false claim? Robin I do not believe that there is a kernel with umsdos support compiled in. . . . The biggest question I have for you is Why do you want to run Linux on a umsdos partition? The performance penalty is going to be severe. Also I'm not sure that the DOS FAT is as robust as ext2. === Robin Rowe, PM SAIC San Diego [EMAIL PROTECTED] 619-225-3107 RD in Internet video and speech recognition using Java and C++ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: does debian 1.2.x support umsdos
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I have an ATT globalyst 362TPC comuter with a s3 trio 64 chip set. I am now using slackware 2.2 running linux 1.2.1 kernel as a umsdos file system. It is working fine except I can't get xfx86 running. I want to upgrade the linux kernel to 2.*. I am interested in using debian as my linux because I had heard good reports on debian. I am interested in a new book from http://www.ssc.com Linux Installation Getting Started, Version 3 which contains cd-rom with debian Linux 1.2.x. Does debian support umsdos? Does it have xf86? What version of the linux kernel is in debian 1.2.x? I like umsdos because you don't need lilo which can cause problems because it can mess up your MBR and it is hard to configure. I also use loadlin to boot up from my dos partition. umsdos also lets you access all your dos files as it can coexist with dos. Please answer by email. Thanks in advance, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yes umsdos can be good if you want a slower system. Not that noticable but I'm picky that way. Debian does have all of the above and a better install interface than slackware (I've had it). You should be aware that the new modules for the kernel enable you to read msdos and the vfat that windows95 uses for long file names. From the linux partition I can read any msdos or win95 file I want without a problem. The present kernel in the Debian package is 2.0.27. Lilo doesn't mess up your MBR. To configure it just run the liloconfig. It's really pretty easy. There's even a quickstart script to get you up and running. And you can still use loadlin to boot across to linux without a reboot. If you want a perfect linux system one of the steps is having it in it's own filing system. Running a 3 year old distribution I can understand the confusion. Linux has grown quite a bit since that, a.out, antique version you're using. You probably can't run X because you have half ELF and half a.out files that WON'T talk to eachother. Upgrade and move on to better days. -- --Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
does debian 1.2.x support umsdos
I have an ATT globalyst 362TPC comuter with a s3 trio 64 chip set. I am now using slackware 2.2 running linux 1.2.1 kernel as a umsdos file system. It is working fine except I can't get xfx86 running. I want to upgrade the linux kernel to 2.*. I am interested in using debian as my linux because I had heard good reports on debian. I am interested in a new book from http://www.ssc.com Linux Installation Getting Started, Version 3 which contains cd-rom with debian Linux 1.2.x. Does debian support umsdos? Does it have xf86? What version of the linux kernel is in debian 1.2.x? I like umsdos because you don't need lilo which can cause problems because it can mess up your MBR and it is hard to configure. I also use loadlin to boot up from my dos partition. umsdos also lets you access all your dos files as it can coexist with dos. Please answer by email. Thanks in advance, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: does debian 1.2.x support umsdos
On Fri, 21 Mar 1997, Joseph Zieniewicz wrote: Does debian support umsdos? Debian does not support umsdos although with a liitle hacking you can create a umsdos partition, umsync it, and put the debian base distribution on it. However, I do not reccomend this. The performance is cruddy, and it's not necessary. Does it have xf86? Yes. What version of the linux kernel is in debian 1.2.x? Last I checked... 2.0.27 I like umsdos because you don't need lilo which can cause problems because it can mess up your MBR and it is hard to configure. I also use loadlin to boot up from my dos partition. You do not need to use umsdos just to use loadlin in leiu of lilo. Loadlin can boot linux on an ext2 partition just as easily. umsdos also lets you access all your dos files as it can coexist with dos. Linux on an ext2 can also access your dos partions. In fact if you have win95 it can access your long filenames. Time flies like arrows, but fruit flies like bananas Perry Piplanihttp://perrypip.netservers.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.netservers.com
Fresh Debian on UMSDOS?
Hello. Brian K Servis wrote: So the question is how can he install a fresh Debian to his DOS/VFAT internal using UMSDOS? By using my experimental Debian installation software. I would rather not make this generally available yet as there are some known problems to be ironed out and some of the extra features may be integrated into the standard disk sets in due course. Beside myself, I have a report of one mostly successful installation onto a SCSI ZIP drive with a DOS file system. If you would like to help with testing or just want to try it out then let me know by email and I will send details. You will need to download 9Mbyte of files. Giuliano Procida. A note on VFAT. The long file names used by Linux will be provided completely separately from those under Win95 which uses a different technique. Thus long file names on one system will be a mess on the other. There is apparently a UVFAT fs in progress which integrates the two better.
Re: Fresh Debian on UMSDOS?
I have been working with a small kernel patch that allows the kernel to use the loop device to mount the root file system contained as an image in a file. You simply copy; rootfs, vmlinuz, loadlin.exe, and linux.bat to /linux on your C: drive; cd /linux and run the batch job. This is a read/write root file system in ext2 file format. It is my intention to provide enough of a system to build a custom kernel (about 60 meg), so that if the delivery kernel doesn't suit your machine, you can build one that does, if you can find 60 meg of free space on a dos machine. The beauty of this approach over umsdos is that you can install the rootfs file on any partition, not just a dos one, so you can use it to upgrade another distribution as well as install a new Debian one. I hope to have the kinks out by the 1.3 release and intend to provide it on my gold CDs. On Tue, 4 Mar 1997, Scott Barker wrote: Brian K Servis said: So the question is how can he install a fresh Debian to his DOS/VFAT internal using UMSDOS? I can't provide any easy answers to your specific question, but I would like to say that your friend should use ext2 filesystems on his SCSI disk. Tell him to absolutely not, under any circumstances, use UMSDOS on SCSI disks. There is currently a bug somewhere between UMSDOS and SCSI disks which causes kernel stack overflow, and can cause severe filesystem corruption. Up to kernel 2.0.29, I still haven't seen a fix. -- Scott Barker Linux Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~barkers/ (under construction) [ I try to reply to all e-mail within 3 days. If you don't ] [ get a response by then, I probably didn't get your e-mail. ] [ Unsolicited commercial and junk e-mail will be proof-read for US$100 ] What do they call a comedian who doesn't get any laughs? A philosopher. - Phil Proctor Dwarf -- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 If you don't see what you want, just ask -- Received: (qmail 4746 invoked by uid 888); 4 Mar 1997 20:11:10 - Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: (qmail 4736 invoked by uid 888); 4 Mar 1997 20:11:09 - Delivered-To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Received: (qmail 4726 invoked from network); 4 Mar 1997 20:11:08 - Received: from timberwolf.snip.net (HELO timberwolf) ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) by master.debian.org with SMTP; 4 Mar 1997 20:11:08 - Received: from localhost by timberwolf with smtp id m0w209O-000MYPC (Debian Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #2); Tue, 4 Mar 1997 14:45:26 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 14:45:26 -0500 (EST) From: System Account [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Debian-Users-List debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Scanner Help/Info Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi there all :) I posted a few weeks ago for info on scanners. I haven't recieved any replies on this matter so i'll ask again. Is there any support for the use of scanners with Debian? If so where is it? The only thing i have seen is the hpscanpbm package but this is for the Hewlett-Packard ScanJet series scanners only. Last month i purchased a ScanTak scanner that uses the TWIAN drivers. It seems to be a great scanner for a low price (selling for around 200.00 US). I've seen it at a few shows and they seem to be selling quite will. Any info/help in this matter would be greatly appreciated as I hate rebooting to use windows to do any scanning. Thanx -Rob Received: (qmail 9620 invoked by uid 888); 4 Mar 1997 20:18:42 - Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: (qmail 9613 invoked by uid 888); 4 Mar 1997 20:18:41 - Delivered-To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Received: (qmail 9603 invoked from network); 4 Mar 1997 20:18:41 - Received: from mustang.ucsd.edu (132.239.20.34) by master.debian.org with SMTP; 4 Mar 1997 20:18:40 - Received: by mustang.ucsd.edu (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA14220; Tue, 4 Mar 1997 12:10:41 -0800 Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 12:10:41 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Debian-User debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: UNSUSCRIBE Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII These people keep sending unsuscribe notices, but they are replying to do it. I figured if the unsuscribes are being done by hand, nobody is going to notice them. Just thought I would make their desires a little clearer. Scott -- Forwarded message -- Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 10:45:06 -0800 From: Kevin Lara Olfert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Debian-user debian-user@lists.debian.org, 'Ioannis Tambouras' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: make config, [486] or [586] UNSUSCRIBE Received
Re: Debian on an umsdos zip disk
Hi Gertjan I made myself a system like this, just to see. Debian detects the ZIP drive on startup, so you must have the drive attached AND a disc in the drive at this time. You can then proceed as for a 'normal' installation. The big drawback is that the parallel port drive is so slow, at least with the current driver. I'm going to follow up the recent post about a faster one! I would recommend the SCSI version for performance, though. Also, there's only about 80-90M free if you put a swap partition of the disk as well. Interesting exercise, though. Best of luck! cheers, Robert Varley Trowbridge, Wilts On Fri, 14 Feb 1997, Gertjan Klein wrote: How can I convince Debian to install itself on an umsdos ZIP disk? The kernel on the rescue disk doesn't have the umsdos filesystem built-in. I would like to try and create a small Debian system that I can boot with loadlin, on a ZIP disk that I can transport to other computers. Is this feasible? TIA, Gertjan. -- Gertjan Klein [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Boot Control home page: http://www.xs4all.nl/~gklein/bcpage.html -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Umsdos support?
Giuliano Procida [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is possible to fool the installation process roughly as follows: You need a DOS partition, say /dev/hda1, umssync, and perhaps other things (it's been a while). Replace the boot-floppy kernel with one that has FAT and UMSDOS compiled in. Ah, you make it sound so easy ;-) I can't seem to get this right. I copy the kernel to the file linux and run ./rdev.sh. This script tries to run rdev /mnt/linux /dev/ram0 - and there is no /dev/ram0. Why does the script ask for something Debian doesn't supply? Anyway, if I ignore this error or run the command manually with /dev/ram (which I do have), and boot the floppy, it stops here: RAMDISK: compressed image found at block 0 VFS: Mounted root (minix filesystem) Root is mounted from /dev/ram /etc/rc done. And then it just sits there. I can get a shell at Alt-F2, but obviously something must be wrong so I didn't try going any further. What could cause this? The other instructions you gave seem easy enough to follow, but unfortunately I didn't get that far :-( Unfortunately, after a message of VFS: Mounted umsdos filesystem as root (or similar), the system hangs in an endless loop continuously reading the harddisk. You seem to have got most of the way. What messages does it give? Just that. Perhaps this was caused by the remounting in /etc/init.d/boot? I didn't know I had to change that. In the mean time I deleted the test harddisk partition so I can't easily try again. As an alternative, you could try my modifications to the boot-floppies package to handle UMSDOS installs. There has just been a new boot-floppies release, so I'll have do some merging before I have a proper set of patches ready. Have a look at ftp://pootle.magd.cam.ac.uk/ if you are interested (patches against boot-floppies 1.2.5). My mirror doesn't carry 1.2.5, only 1.2.4. It seems there's some stuff specific to your system in the patch (I saw some copying of loadlin); was I too early downloading it? In your other message you mentioned a ZIP drive, can't you format a disk as ext2? Or is that not a possibility for you? Not really. I want Debian to run from the ZIP disk so I can take it to my father's place and run Linux there. This way, I don't need a special boot floppy, or files on his harddisk. I just insert the ZIP disk and get Linux. This is only possible using umsdos. (I am a bit surprised, actually, that Debian doesn't support installation to umsdos). Thanks for your help, Gertjan. -- Gertjan Klein [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Boot Control home page: http://www.xs4all.nl/~gklein/bcpage.html -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Umsdos?
Gertjan Klein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah, you make it sound so easy ;-) I can't seem to get this right. I Nor could I for a long time! copy the kernel to the file linux and run ./rdev.sh. This script tries to run rdev /mnt/linux /dev/ram0 - and there is no /dev/ram0. Why does the script ask for something Debian doesn't supply? Anyway, if I ignore this error or run the command manually with /dev/ram (which I do have), and boot the floppy, it stops here: RAMDISK: compressed image found at block 0 VFS: Mounted root (minix filesystem) Root is mounted from /dev/ram /etc/rc done. I have to say I'm not sure what's going wrong. This looks like it _might_ be a corrupted root fs image. ALT F3 gives a log of all process deaths with error messages so any frantic activity should be reflected there. As an alternative, you could try my modifications to the boot-floppies package to handle UMSDOS installs. There has just been a new boot-floppies release, so I'll have do some merging before I have a proper set of patches ready. Have a look at ftp://pootle.magd.cam.ac.uk/ if you are interested (patches against boot-floppies 1.2.5). My mirror doesn't carry 1.2.5, only 1.2.4. It seems there's some stuff specific to your system in the patch (I saw some copying of loadlin); was I too early downloading it? Oh dear, 1.2.4 is the current stable version, 1.2.6 is the current unstable version. The boot-floppies package needs to reflect current locations of packages needed for the install. To use it you will also need an NFS mount (or whatever) of (parts of) a Debian distribution. It is probably not worth your while for the moment. I'll try and make up some new boot 'floppies' (actually just three files to download onto your ZIP drive). They contain everything needed to install the current _un_stable base packages; it would be nice to see if one other person can get through a UMSDOS install. I'll let you know when it's available by ftp from my machine. Let me know if you need anything peculiar in the kernel (besides fat, umsdos, parallel port?, scsi, etc, etc!) Giuliano. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Umsdos support?
Hi. I've posted this question here before and didn't receive a single reply. Hopefully I'm more lucky this time.. I want to install Debian to an Umsdos partition. The installation disks don't seem to allow me to do that. That's right. - Does Debian not support installing to umsdos partitions? - If not, is there a work around to get it working anyway? It is possible to fool the installation process roughly as follows: You need a DOS partition, say /dev/hda1, umssync, and perhaps other things (it's been a while). Replace the boot-floppy kernel with one that has FAT and UMSDOS compiled in. Create a directory 'linux' in the msdos fs on /dev/hda1 and umssync it. During the install process open the shell (alt f2) and: rm -rf /target mkdir /DOS mount -t umsdos /dev/hda /DOS ln -s /DOS/linux /target create a swap file and swapon Follow the rest of the installation procedure, but DO NOT run the make bootable option as LILO will fry the MSDOS boot sector if you are not careful. The /target system is not quite ready, make sure fstab is set up correctly (RW root partition and swap file set up OK). Modify /etc/init.d/boot so that the root partition is never remounted (mount seems very unhappy with pseudo roots). I've even created a small partition to install Debian to, installed the base disks, and copied everything to the umsdos partition (changing /etc/fstab to reflect the new partition). Then I compiled a kernel with umsdos support built-in and booted it with loadlin. Unfortunately, after a message of VFS: Mounted umsdos filesystem as root (or similar), the system hangs in an endless loop continuously reading the harddisk. You seem to have got most of the way. What messages does it give? As an alternative, you could try my modifications to the boot-floppies package to handle UMSDOS installs. There has just been a new boot-floppies release, so I'll have do some merging before I have a proper set of patches ready. Have a look at ftp://pootle.magd.cam.ac.uk/ if you are interested (patches against boot-floppies 1.2.5). In your other message you mentioned a ZIP drive, can't you format a disk as ext2? Or is that not a possibility for you? Giuliano. ps Do let me know how you get on with your UMSDOS install. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Formatting umsdos partitions
Try using the vfat filesystem type. I think that this should work...I have it running (as a module) and it let me download a lot of stuff onto a FAT partition under NT 4.0 that saved everything with those nice filenames...works swimmingly. In the absence of an effective general mythology, each of us has his private, rudimentary, yet secretly potent pantheon of dream. --- Joseph Campbell -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Formatting umsdos partitions
On Tue, 17 Dec 1996 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have Debian packages on a Win95 formatted disk and need to transfer them to a Linux formatted disk. These packages have the long filenames, they were not downloaded from the msdos directory. However when I try to access the files directly from Linux, it converts the files to the 8.3 dos convention thus losing the long filenames. How did you mount your Win95 partition? That is, what did you use for the -t parameter? Luck, Dwarf -- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 877-0257 Flexible Software Fax: NONE Black Creek Critters e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you don't see what you want, just ask -- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Formatting umsdos partitions
I have Debian packages on a Win95 formatted disk and need to transfer them to a Linux formatted disk. These packages have the long filenames, they were not downloaded from the msdos directory. However when I try to access the files directly from Linux, it converts the files to the 8.3 dos convention thus losing the long filenames. The Linux formatted disk has a spare partition I can work with to help transfer these files. I am wondering, if I format the spare partition to the umsdos format, will Win95 be able to recognize it - letting me copy the files there, and preserve the long filenames. Then could I copy/install the files through Linux from the umsdos partition to the ext2 partition keeping the filenames intact? If this is possible, how do I format the partition to the umsdos format? The mkfs command seems to have only msdos but not umsdos. If this idea will not work, are there any ways to transfer these files to my Linux file system and preserve the long filenames? --Greg -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Formatting umsdos partitions
Use mount -t vfat when you mount that partition and Linux will recognize Windows 95 long filenames. You might have to load the vfat module. You don't need to use UMSDOS, nor will it help. Bruce -- Bruce Perens K6BP [EMAIL PROTECTED] Finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP public key. PGP fingerprint = 88 6A 15 D0 65 D4 A3 A6 1F 89 6A 76 95 24 87 B3 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Formatting umsdos partitions
Try mount -t vfat /dev/hd?? /??. This mounts the filesystem with long name support | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/1152 | Simon Martin | Old software engineers never die, | they just fail to boot | | Any Trademarks used in this document are recognized | as Registered Trademarks of their respective owners. -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Formatting umsdos partitions Date: 17 December 1996 14:04 I have Debian packages on a Win95 formatted disk and need to transfer them to a Linux formatted disk. These packages have the long filenames, they were not downloaded from the msdos directory. However when I try to access the files directly from Linux, it converts the files to the 8.3 dos convention thus losing the long filenames. The Linux formatted disk has a spare partition I can work with to help transfer these files. I am wondering, if I format the spare partition to the umsdos format, will Win95 be able to recognize it - letting me copy the files there, and preserve the long filenames. Then could I copy/install the files through Linux from the umsdos partition to the ext2 partition keeping the filenames intact? If this is possible, how do I format the partition to the umsdos format? The mkfs command seems to have only msdos but not umsdos. If this idea will not work, are there any ways to transfer these files to my Linux file system and preserve the long filenames? --Greg -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
UMSDOS partition and debian
Hello all... I have gathered that it is possible to run the debian installation in a dos fat partition. I am hoping that this configuration would resemble the slakware installation running over the dos fat partition. I've not seen any documentation about how this has to be setup. ??? Does there exist a set of installation disks that will allow me to build the op. sys. over my existing dos file system(s) ??? I have several students / colleagues here that would like to try the os but cant / won't commit themselves to repartitioning disks so close to the end of the semester. (I'm not going to ask them to bring their boxes in so that I can fibs their disks for them - and run the risk ...) I would specifically like to have a drv_letter:\linux\... on a MS-DOg filesystem and would like to use the dos executable loadlin.exe to light the debian install at my convenience. I like the slakware install because they have made this install completely painless. However I prefer to run with the debian installation because: 1) slakware did not support my scsi controller that is integrated into my Hewlett Packard Vectra XV 5/133C. I _think_ its an AMD scsi controller. I'd have to reboot to be sure... -and- 2) IMHO - while the dselect package needs a facelift - it is functional. I prefer the debian OS - I just think the Debian linux variant is a better system than the others. Please help, keep up the great work, and Thanks in advance... -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: UMSDOS partition and debian
Take a look at dilinux ftp.sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/distributions/dilinux It's a very good example of what you want. On Fri, 6 Dec 1996 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all... I have gathered that it is possible to run the debian installation in a dos fat partition. I am hoping that this configuration would resemble the slakware installation running over the dos fat partition. I've not seen any documentation about how this has to be setup. ??? Does there exist a set of installation disks that will allow me to build the op. sys. over my existing dos file system(s) ??? I have several students / colleagues here that would like to try the os but cant / won't commit themselves to repartitioning disks so close to the end of the semester. (I'm not going to ask them to bring their boxes in so that I can fibs their disks for them - and run the risk ...) I would specifically like to have a drv_letter:\linux\... on a MS-DOg filesystem and would like to use the dos executable loadlin.exe to light the debian install at my convenience. I like the slakware install because they have made this install completely painless. However I prefer to run with the debian installation because: 1) slakware did not support my scsi controller that is integrated into my Hewlett Packard Vectra XV 5/133C. I _think_ its an AMD scsi controller. I'd have to reboot to be sure... -and- 2) IMHO - while the dselect package needs a facelift - it is functional. I prefer the debian OS - I just think the Debian linux variant is a better system than the others. Please help, keep up the great work, and Thanks in advance... -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dwarf -- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 877-0257 Flexible Software Fax: NONE Black Creek Critters e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you don't see what you want, just ask -- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: UMSDOS partition and debian
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I have gathered that it is possible to run the debian installation in a dos fat partition. I am hoping that this configuration would resemble the slakware installation running over the dos fat partition. Do not, repeat DO NOT use UMSDOS filesystems with 2.0.x kernels up to 2.0.23. There are at least two problems I'm aware of. I believe one of them has been fixed in the 2.0.27 kernel, but I haven't verified that yet. The other problem has to do with SCSI disks. As far as I can tell, UMSDOS still does not work with SCSI disks. Your kernel stack will overflow, which means all kinds of random, nasty things can happen. -- Scott Barker Linux Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~barkers/ (under construction) [ I try to reply to all e-mail within 3 days. If you don't ] [ get a response by then, I probably didn't get your e-mail. ] [ Unsolicited commercial and junk e-mail will be proof-read for US$100 ] Better stop short than fill to the brim. Oversharpen the blade, and the edge will soon blunt. Amass a store of gold and jade, and no one can protect it. Claim wealth and titles, and disaster will follow. Retire when the work is done. This is the way of heaven. - Tao Te Ching -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: UMSDOS partition and debian
Rick Macdonald said: I've had /home and my debian mirror and a few other things on a UMSDOS filesystem for quite awhile. I just upgraded to 2.0.25 a couple of weeks ago. Before that I was running 2.0.6. I never noticed any problems compared to 1.2.13 or whatever it was that I used to run. The real problem is with SCSI, which causes kernel stack overflows. For IDE, all I could find was a problem with the unlinking of inodes. For normal use, this wasn't a problem. But, for the convoluted ways in which dselect/dpkg handle safe package upgrading, this caused a problem in that UMSDOS could not unlink an inode for a file which was in use (such as /bin/bash when trying to upgrade bash while using bash as your shell). I believe I saw something in the Changes for 2.0.26 or 2.0.27 which mentioned inode removal under UMSDOS (or maybe it was DOS) which may fix the problem, but I haven't had time (or reason) to check it out yet. -- Scott Barker Linux Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~barkers/ (under construction) [ I try to reply to all e-mail within 3 days. If you don't ] [ get a response by then, I probably didn't get your e-mail. ] [ Unsolicited commercial and junk e-mail will be proof-read for US$100 ] You wanna know how to nail Capone? This is how you nail Capone: he pulls a knife you pull a gun, he puts one of yours in the hospital, you send one of his to the morgue. THAT'S how you nail Capone. - Sean Connery in The Untouchables -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Can Debian install from a UMSDOS filesystem?
On Tue, 5 Nov 1996, Syrus Nemat-Nasser wrote: I imagine that you can do this. During beta testing of 1.1, I copied the entire binary hierarchy to a DOS partiton. I mounted this partition and then ran dselect pointed at the appropriate binary directory. I don't think it matters if you use UMSDOS or any other mountable filesystem. You just need to know how to mount it. If necessary, you might need to execute the insmod command to load the appropriate filesystem support. Since UMSDOS support is a kernel configuration option, I figured it would depend on what support was compiled into the install kernel. (Bruce? :-) ...RickM... -- This message was distributed manually by [EMAIL PROTECTED] after the list initially failed to distribute it.
Can Debian install from a UMSDOS filesystem?
I couldn't find in the FAQ whether or not one can place all the deb files on a UMSDOS drive and install from scratch with the boot floopy sets. Anybody know one way or another? ...RickM... -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Can Debian install from a UMSDOS filesystem?
I imagine that you can do this. During beta testing of 1.1, I copied the entire binary hierarchy to a DOS partiton. I mounted this partition and then ran dselect pointed at the appropriate binary directory. I don't think it matters if you use UMSDOS or any other mountable filesystem. You just need to know how to mount it. If necessary, you might need to execute the insmod command to load the appropriate filesystem support. Syrus. -- Syrus Nemat-Nasser [EMAIL PROTECTED]UCSD Physics Dept. On Tue, 5 Nov 1996, Rick Macdonald wrote: I couldn't find in the FAQ whether or not one can place all the deb files on a UMSDOS drive and install from scratch with the boot floopy sets. Anybody know one way or another? ...RickM... -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Can Debian install from a UMSDOS filesystem?
Rick Macdonald said: I couldn't find in the FAQ whether or not one can place all the deb files on a UMSDOS drive and install from scratch with the boot floopy sets. Dunno about that, but I *do* know that you should *not* use UMSDOS on a SCSI device. There is a bug still floating around in the kernel which will cause massive filesystem corruption on your UMSDOS partition if it is on a SCSI device. Something to do with a kernel stack overflow somewhere. The UMSDOS developer is trying to isolate the problem. -- Scott Barker Linux Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~barkers/ (under construction) [ I try to reply to all e-mail within 3 days. If you don't ] [ get a response by then, I probably didn't get your e-mail. ] [ Unsolicited commercial and junk e-mail will be proof-read for US$100 ] All animals except man know that the ultimate of life is to enjoy it. - Samuel Butler -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Can Debian install from a UMSDOS filesystem?
I couldn't find in the FAQ whether or not one can place all the deb files on a UMSDOS drive and install from scratch with the boot floopy sets. Anybody know one way or another? ...RickM... Yes. I did exactly that last week. And if you copy base1_1.tgz or what-ever it is called to the top of the umsdos partition you only need the boot and root floppies. Captain Zoom, MartinS -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
