Re: unique install question? (Squeeze audio install using the Wheezy-di from a USB drive)
Karen Lewellen, 26.06.2012: Hi Lici, That was the nicest way to say...get to the point! Honestly, I cannot speak to how layout appears for others. I actually have the same question when I use, pico, the editor here. In google mail there is an option. Wrap lines to fit displayed area? I use nano instead of pico and I can get lines to wrap by putting unset nowrap into my .nanorc file. You could try putting that into your .picorc file. (Create that file if it doesn't exist already.) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120629140848.gi23...@cs.utexas.edu
Re: unique install question?
Hi lisi, Thank you! what your post shows, and what I honestly stopped trying to express is this. There is no such thing as a so called one size fits all blind user. Like every single aspect of the human experience, sight loss is a 100% individual thing. Just like sight presence. to claim that everyone uses anything the same is well... as nonsensical as claiming every rose is the same, or that everyone paints like Picasso...and not everyone cares for him! a buffet of options with an individual deciding what works from them uniquely is a far more productive stance than the efforts at uniformity. I realize those efforts are rooted in the human condition called insecurity. The fear of appreciating both what makes us treasured individual works of human art, and what we share as humans in a common way. But we have overcome limited thinking about others things before and can again. I appreciate the motivation behind vinux, but frankly feel like much comparative conversation that it does the individual a disservice. after all, my working from the accessibility is the same dictionary is how I got into the install mess I was in to start with...lol. Back to my seat in the corner, Karen On Tue, 26 Jun 2012, Lisi wrote: On Wednesday 13 June 2012 19:55:19 Julien Claassen wrote: Knoppix did support blind users as well. There is Vinux, which is a Debian version specially compiled for blind users. Julien - Vinux is based on Ubuntu, not Debian, and I do not like it. I am partially sighted, not fully blind, but could not get on with it at all. The large icons (well, largish) and text are skin deep only, and all menus and things were running in the usual tiny print and were therefore unusable. I also thought that its speech was bad, and was thankful that I didn't need to use it. I found Knoppix-Adriane vastly better. Highly usable with adequate speech and a lot of text (so much easier to work with without pictures etc. messing up the text image). The version I saw was basically sans serif black on white. Great for me, though I realise that it would be less helpful to some others. I did not try to run it in speech because I am still very incompetent at that. Klaus Knopper wrote Knoppix-Adriane for, and with the collaboration of, his wife Adriane, who is partially sighted. I have version 6.2.1, and like it, but have not yet looked at version 7.x.x . Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201206262327.11955.lisi.re...@gmail.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pine.bsf.4.64.1206271351050.96...@server1.shellworld.net
Re: unique install question? (Squeeze audio install using the Wheezy-di from a USB drive)
On Wednesday 13 June 2012 02:47:37 Karen Lewellen wrote: Rob, I do not work in most popular, because this may or may not mean most accessible from a screen reading standpoint, or more flexible from a usability standpoint...in my personal dictionary, there is no such thing as most people. I am using pure dos on my main computer for example, having never regarded windows as either a reasonable or practical way to run a computer, no matter how popular..but back to debian. case in point, I sing professionally and am a radio producer, for me there is no such thing as too many music players, smiles. Again if there were a list that one could review outside of the install process detailing the packages and the images with which they were associated, you would have a point. However without such a list to review in advance I would likely never discover other program options. If you know of such a list send away. Otherwise, the idea that I might find 20 music players waiting on DVD4, means I will most certainly now install everything to get to them lol! I seriously understand what you and the others are saying, but I am working with very limited information, and have more than enough room on the 30gig hard drive I am using for all of the packages. Then I can choose so that for my next machine I can install less. Karen, I hesitate to ask, since you are clearly so much worse off than I. I am partially sighted, and have great difficulty with your emails because the blocks are so large. The largest block of text in this email is 14 lines, which is still problematic, but the largest block in your previous email was 44 lines long. [ I didn't count myself, I got KWrite to do it. ;-) ] I realise that you may not be able to do anything about it, and that you may not even know that you are doing it. But if you do know that you are doing it, and would be able to do something about it, could you possibly? I find your emails worth reading and am prepared to take some effort to read them. And I could always copy and paste into a word processor and edit it. It's just that it would be nice not to have to do so. Thanks, Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201206262248.38314.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: unique install question?
On Wednesday 13 June 2012 19:55:19 Julien Claassen wrote: Knoppix did support blind users as well. There is Vinux, which is a Debian version specially compiled for blind users. Julien - Vinux is based on Ubuntu, not Debian, and I do not like it. I am partially sighted, not fully blind, but could not get on with it at all. The large icons (well, largish) and text are skin deep only, and all menus and things were running in the usual tiny print and were therefore unusable. I also thought that its speech was bad, and was thankful that I didn't need to use it. I found Knoppix-Adriane vastly better. Highly usable with adequate speech and a lot of text (so much easier to work with without pictures etc. messing up the text image). The version I saw was basically sans serif black on white. Great for me, though I realise that it would be less helpful to some others. I did not try to run it in speech because I am still very incompetent at that. Klaus Knopper wrote Knoppix-Adriane for, and with the collaboration of, his wife Adriane, who is partially sighted. I have version 6.2.1, and like it, but have not yet looked at version 7.x.x . Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201206262327.11955.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: unique install question? (Squeeze audio install using the Wheezy-di from a USB drive)
Hi Lici, That was the nicest way to say...get to the point! Honestly, I cannot speak to how layout appears for others. I actually have the same question when I use, pico, the editor here. In google mail there is an option. Wrap lines to fit displayed area? I always say now, since the displayed area is going to differ based on what you are using. Therefore I am not sure I can do much about how Pico is blocking the text. That might not be the main issue though. I admit to a William Faulkner or Charles Dickens sentence structure tendency. Do either of those names ring a bell? You know, starting a sentence on say page 7 that goes on for a a couple of pages? That is a Falkner hing. Writing my email in a word processor might help me on that front, but pico like word is no word processor. No idea if that helps! Would you feel better if I shared that Brian tabled my main issue ages back? Falknerly yours, Kare On Tue, 26 Jun 2012, Lisi wrote: On Wednesday 13 June 2012 02:47:37 Karen Lewellen wrote: Rob, I do not work in most popular, because this may or may not mean most accessible from a screen reading standpoint, or more flexible from a usability standpoint...in my personal dictionary, there is no such thing as most people. I am using pure dos on my main computer for example, having never regarded windows as either a reasonable or practical way to run a computer, no matter how popular..but back to debian. case in point, I sing professionally and am a radio producer, for me there is no such thing as too many music players, smiles. Again if there were a list that one could review outside of the install process detailing the packages and the images with which they were associated, you would have a point. However without such a list to review in advance I would likely never discover other program options. If you know of such a list send away. Otherwise, the idea that I might find 20 music players waiting on DVD4, means I will most certainly now install everything to get to them lol! I seriously understand what you and the others are saying, but I am working with very limited information, and have more than enough room on the 30gig hard drive I am using for all of the packages. Then I can choose so that for my next machine I can install less. Karen, I hesitate to ask, since you are clearly so much worse off than I. I am partially sighted, and have great difficulty with your emails because the blocks are so large. The largest block of text in this email is 14 lines, which is still problematic, but the largest block in your previous email was 44 lines long. [ I didn't count myself, I got KWrite to do it. ;-) ] I realise that you may not be able to do anything about it, and that you may not even know that you are doing it. But if you do know that you are doing it, and would be able to do something about it, could you possibly? I find your emails worth reading and am prepared to take some effort to read them. And I could always copy and paste into a word processor and edit it. It's just that it would be nice not to have to do so. Thanks, Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201206262248.38314.lisi.re...@gmail.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pine.bsf.4.64.1206261823510.55...@server1.shellworld.net
Re: unique install question?
Hi, Julien! On Wednesday 13 June 2012 20:42:04 Julien Claassen wrote: Debian has much more to offer to me as a blnd user and it's more stable. :-) +1 Much better also for a partially sighted user. I use Lenny with KDE 3.5.10, which is highly configurable, and I have configured it for me! I shall soon move kicking and screaming into the 21st Century and use Squeeze with TDE 3.5.13. (Trinity Desktop Environment, the continuation of KDE 3.5.x). It would, of course be better from most points of view to move straight to Wheezy. But TDE for Wheezy isn't ready yet, so I shall have park in Squeeze for a bit. Nothing else is as configurable as KDE 3.5.x. Only TDE, its continuation. I have tried several alternatives. Most are just too fond of bling, at the expense of functionality. If I can persuade any of my blind friends to use Linux, I may pick your brains on Debian for the blind. I always prefer to use Debian for everything. Best wishes, Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201206262339.39860.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: unique install question? (Squeeze audio install using the Wheezy-di from a USB drive)
On 14/06/12 15:46, Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Wed, 13 Jun 2012 15:01:23 -0400 (EDT), Karen wrote in message pine.bsf.4.64.1206131456410.45...@server1.shellworld.net: snipped but there is only so much possible WITH this present box, Provided you have at least 128MB of RAM there's not much *non-graphical* desktop-type tasks that you *cannot* do. its a Pentium II, which I admit I felt should have allowed for DVD booting from usb but it does not. generally (sadly) many PII boards do not have USB boot support in the BIOS (though updates may be available for your mb - providing someone can install it for you. If your board has USB built in (it'll be USB 1.0) you 'might' have an option in the BIOS for legacy USB support which will then allow you to use floppy zip(?) as a boot option. If not then the methods Arnt has proposed will allow you to boot from the USB DVD drive (knoppix/dsl floppy boot for CD/sbm) ..pentium II or III (2 or 3) or both? Very old, you could buy a new machine for the money you'll save on power. On the other hand, these slow old boxes will help heat your home. ..a bigger question is, does a Pentium II have enough omph to run an audio installer? It should do based on my experience - though I've not done a speakup install with less than 128MB RAM, and I use the software synth. Karen mentioned serial port for hardware voice synth support earlier (which the wheezy installer also supports) - I don't know what it's requirements are compared to software (I'd 'assume' hardware would require less). My primary concern would be whether the audio chipset is going to be supported - boards of that era often had BIOS and/or mb options that needed to be configured. This list covers a wide range of hardware - if you know the motherboard make and model someone will probably have (or had) the board and can advice on USB booting and audio experience. Kind regards -- Iceweasel/Firefox/Chrome/Chromium/Iceape/IE extensions for finding answers to questions about Debian:- https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/collections/Scott_Ferguson/debian/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4fd9895c.1030...@gmail.com
Re: unique install question? (Squeeze audio install using the Wheezy-di from a USB drive)
On Thu, 2012-06-14 at 16:49 +1000, Scott Ferguson wrote: My primary concern would be whether the audio chipset is going to be supported Those old boards perhaps often use AC'97? It's supported by ALSA. BIOS settings might need a check up, dunno. Google found hits regarding to issues with pulseaudio and the AC'97, but I suspect that pulseaudio isn't relevant for the Debian installer. If Karen should use a more professional sound card, it might be, that it can't work for the installer, if she can't launch the mixer, so for an install an onboard device might be the better choice. You never know, but I agree that it's likely that a hardware speech synth is less resource hungry, than a soft synth. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1339658451.2085.59.camel@precise
Re: unique install question? (Squeeze audio install using the Wheezy-di from a USB drive)
On 2012-06-14, Scott Ferguson scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com wrote: Claim? Well, there's that other guy trying desperately to find technical evidence against your empircal data, so I employed a word I hoped would demonstrate my scientific objectivity in the matter. curmudgeonly - says nothing of me, speaks volumes of you. I'll have to read them sometime with my psychiatrist! (the volumes) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/slrnjtj4fb.1th.cu...@einstein.electron.org
Re: unique install question? (Squeeze audio install using the Wheezy-di from a USB drive)
On 2012-06-13, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: Technical evidence that inside the Wheezy installer, in expert mode, prior to partitioning, but after choosing a mirror of the Debian archive, the installer asks which release you wish to install, at which point you may choose Squeeze? I have presented the installer's main menu in an earlier post. There is no option for choosing a mirror before partitioning is offered. Now I may, of course, misunderstood what is happening, or not seen a menu item, or failed to delve deeply enough into the options offered. But there is a 'Configure the package manager' option after installing the base system - so why have the same thing twice? God, I don't know, brother. I think you're on to something! The technical evidence is in the empirical data referenced in the article of an experienced, regular user of this list. This is technical evidence? The only evidence you should be satisfied with is what you can obtain and verify for yourself. So do it. Run a Wheezy netinst installer inexpert mode. You need go no further than loading the installer components from CD. This is an interesting theory. Experimental data not harvested personally is invalid. My personal theory is that experimental data not amenable to reproducibility is invalid, though I am not responsible for personally reproducing each and every datum bit until the universe keels over from fatigue. But why would I run the installer in inexpert mode, when the man said Instead of just hitting Enter at every opportunity try the expert ? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/slrnjtj59b.1th.cu...@einstein.electron.org
Re: unique install question? (Squeeze audio install using the Wheezy-di from a USB drive)
On 2012-06-14, Scott Ferguson scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com wrote: I may be assuming wrong, No. But don't let that stop you from being snide. I'm snide and curmudgeonly. It could be worse. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/slrnjtj5of.1th.cu...@einstein.electron.org
Re: unique install question? (Squeeze audio install using the Wheezy-di from a USB drive)
On 14/06/12 17:24, Curt wrote: On 2012-06-14, Scott Ferguson scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com wrote: Claim? Hey - if I made a claim (actually just agreed with the OPs information) what sort of specious allegation do we label the d-i and speakup developers claims? HINT: I believe it involves inciting jaywalking and wire fraud. Well, there's that other guy trying desperately to find technical evidence against your empircal data, [straight face] Is that what that's about? so I employed a word I hoped would demonstrate my scientific objectivity in the matter. [slaps forehead] Oh course. And it does. Aptly. :-) curmudgeonly - says nothing of me, speaks volumes of you. I'll have to read them sometime with my psychiatrist! (the volumes) Be sure and get the genuine leather bound edition - the pleather (vinyl) edition is just tacky. Kind regards -- Iceweasel/Firefox/Chrome/Chromium/Iceape/IE extensions for finding answers to questions about Debian:- https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/collections/Scott_Ferguson/debian/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4fd99e62.2070...@gmail.com
Re: unique install question? (Squeeze audio install using the Wheezy-di from a USB drive)
On 14/06/12 17:46, Curt wrote: On 2012-06-14, Scott Ferguson scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com wrote: snipped I'm snide and curmudgeonly. It could be worse. Indeed. Best try and stay sane. If you don't you'd be snide, curmudgeonly, and nuts. Which would make you some sort of a snack bar. You can see the problem right there. Mmmm snack bars Kind regards -- Iceweasel/Firefox/Chrome/Chromium/Iceape/IE extensions for finding answers to questions about Debian:- https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/collections/Scott_Ferguson/debian/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4fd99ffe.2050...@gmail.com
Re: unique install question? (Squeeze audio install using the Wheezy-di from a USB drive)
On 14/06/12 04:04, Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Wed, 13 Jun 2012 10:27:22 +1000, Scott wrote in message 4fd7de6a.6020...@gmail.com: On 13/06/12 04:45, Brian wrote: On Tue 12 Jun 2012 at 16:52:43 +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Tue, 12 Jun 2012 11:01:22 +0100, Brian wrote in message 20120612100122.GJ30016@desktop: The DVD is a USB device. She cannot boot from USB on the machine she wishes to install Debian to. snipped I've tried that a number of times with old machines whose BIOS didn't support USB booting, only on a couple of occasions did GRUB manage to use the root=/dev/sdb line. :-( ..the key is use the cdrom grub boot as a stepping stone to find the usb dvd's boot record, and boot that. E.g. Knoppix have a few 16?MB boot only isos to boot their 4GB dvd isos. Yes - I think (guess) it's the same as the one from DamnSmallLinux, (and uses the same mechanism as SBM), - a floppy chainloader for CD boot. It gets around the BIOS not being able to see the device attached to the USB. AFAIK GRUB can't get around that limitation (boot a device unseen by the BIOS) - though I don't doubt GRUB has the capacity to do so if SmartBootManager type hooks were written into a GRUB module (the spaceinvaders module for GRUB is a good example of how simple that might be). ..in my (grub legacy) experience, I did this 3 ways, chainload the next boot loader, or, use memdisk as kernel and the iso image as initrd, Which should (I suspect) allow you to boot from devices not 'seen' by the BIOS (e.g. attached to cards, removable) and finally the grub way, root ([tab][tab]. I borrowed memdisk from syslinux. ;o) ..but yes, grub and the kernel will often disagree on what's where. Your third way (I suspect) allows you to boot a device that is seen by the BIOS, but is seen by the BIOS as unbootable. Eg. BIOS sees USB, but doesn't allow for booting from a USB device (possibly the scenario in question). snipped ..the first time I pulled such a stunt, (5 1996 vintage IBM 760ED thinkpads that came with 3 cdrom and 2 bootable floppy drives to fit the auxillary disk|battery compartment,) I put Smart Boot Manager (http://btmgr.sourceforge.net/about.html) on the harddisk mbrs, then removed the floppy drives and put in the cd drives and booted the distro installer cds from the harddisks. I suspect SBM uses the same mechanism as the Knoppix/DSL boot CD from floppy method. First X boot was an early knoppix clone that took 2.5 hours off that poor 4x cd drive. ;o) ...but almost certainly it got you some sort of graphical display - a major Linux achievement at the time (kudos to kudzu and Klaus's config scripting). Not much earlier than that it was just floppy installs as CDs wouldn't boot off card controllers - so DOS and laplink was considered corner cutting (I'd forgotten how unreliable floppy disks were). Kind regards -- Iceweasel/Firefox/Chrome/Chromium/Iceape/IE extensions for finding answers to questions about Debian:- https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/collections/Scott_Ferguson/debian/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4fd9a1b8.9050...@gmail.com
Re: unique install question? (Squeeze audio install using the Wheezy-di from a USB drive)
On 14/06/12 17:20, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2012-06-14 at 16:49 +1000, Scott Ferguson wrote: My primary concern would be whether the audio chipset is going to be supported Those old boards perhaps often use AC'97? Post 1997 - yes (funny that) AC is just Intel's standard (v1 - current v2.3) - many chips provide it. They can often be disabled in the BIOS and/or IRQs and channels changed - many PII boards also have ACPI quirks that make careful BIOS configuration a requirement, enabling PlugNPray is usually required. The OP has mentioned a 30GB drive being supported - so it's a not a stone age pre-LBA BIOS. It's supported by ALSA. I 'suspect' alsa is only possible post-install, but I'd have to read all the d-i documentation to be certain... Maybe the modules list can tell you? screen scrapes from an install:- http://ge.tt/1JVT87J/v/0 snipped Kind regards -- Iceweasel/Firefox/Chrome/Chromium/Iceape/IE extensions for finding answers to questions about Debian:- https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/collections/Scott_Ferguson/debian/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4fd9ae32.8030...@gmail.com
Re: unique install question? (Squeeze audio install using the Wheezy-di from a USB drive)
On Thu 14 Jun 2012 at 13:17:59 +1000, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 13/06/12 19:29, Brian wrote: On Wed 13 Jun 2012 at 10:57:42 +1000, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 13/06/12 04:35, a troll wrote: By the time the choosing a mirror stage is reached with a netinst image or the first CD the base files (Stable or Testing versions) have been installed in /target. Instead of just hitting Enter at every opportunity try the expert - prior to partitioning (*before anything is written to the hard drive*) you'll be asked which release you want to install:- Stage: Choose a mirror of the Debian archive di question: Debian version to install: choice: squeeze - stable The main menu for a netinst iso: This is an *audio* install - hence the OPs choice of the Wheezy installer. There is no graphical menu. My understanding of the situation hasn't changed since I first read the original post. Boot from wheezy and combine speakup with an expert install and the Squeeze DVDs to build Squeeze. Pick a method to start the speakup installer (the OP provided detailed instructions for one method). Combine it with expert (low debconf). start install with cmdline /install.386/vmlinux vga=788 priority=low initrd=/install.386/gtk/initrd.gz speakup.synth=soft -- quiet:- ;pick speakup from the menu - edit it to add priority=low ;after disk noise stops press 's' then Enter, at first menu select the ;change priority/debconf ;other variations (one method):- Follow the voice prompted menu... language - choose 6 (English - default) location - 2 locale - 2 additional locale - 135 default locale - 1 *then* choose detect and mount cd-rom which is where you'd add the first Squeeze CD-ROM... Adding the first Squeeze CD is on the difficult side when there is only one CD-ROM on the machine. Perhaps you mean the Wheezy CD should be removed first. We'll do that, although it can be forecast what is going to happen. Step 4 is successful. The CD-ROM is detected and the CD is reported as containing the Binary-1 for Squeeze. Great, we are on our way! Now for loading the installer components. Full stop! No kernel modules were found. This probably is due to a mismatch between the kernel used by this version of the installer . . . . The installer is using a Wheezy kernel; the modules on the Squeeze CD are for a Squeeze kernel. Sounds reasonable. Ok, we'll leave the Wheezy CD in the drive and add the Squeeze CD on a USB stick. This is the same as having a machine with two CD-ROMs as far as d-i is concerned. At step 4 the Wheezy CD is detected and the install continues with it. Seems sensible. Why choose a Squeeze CD to use when it does not have the correct kernel modules? I don't see what you do. Is this a bug in my installer? There is a bug, but clearly it's not in your installer. The significant thing here is your failure to remark on the missing stage in the main menu (Choose a mirror of the Debian archive) which you claimed would offer a choice of which Debian version to install. It seems we are in agreement it does not exist for an install from the first CD or a netinst iso. It's good to have that out of the way. You have now taken a completely different tack. It is one which is not documented in the installer manual and is doomed to failure. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120614104653.GV30016@desktop
Re: unique install question? (Squeeze audio install using the Wheezy-di from a USB drive)
On Thu 14 Jun 2012 at 13:28:31 +1000, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 14/06/12 01:45, Curt wrote: and once an expert you may choose Squeeze as the target distribution. after choosing the mirrors module during the load installer components from cd option (expert mode). Won't work with a Wheezy netinst or full CD. Neither Squeeze nor Sid is offered as an installation choice. Wheezy is what you have; Wheezy is what you get. Tested and didn't work. Please see bug #356105. The mail at http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2006/03/msg00348.html and its followup are also relevant. If it was a viable procedure we really should add it to http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#unstable-images alternatively you can just use the wheezy installer (it loads to ram) to load the squeeze installer (loadmedium module). Doesn't work. Dealt with elsewhere in this thread. load-media is for loading installer components. A Squeeze image doesn't seem to fit that category. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120614154440.GW30016@desktop
Re: unique install question? (Squeeze audio install using the Wheezy-di from a USB drive)
On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 18:32:56 +1000, Scott wrote in message 4fd9a1b8.9050...@gmail.com: On 14/06/12 04:04, Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Wed, 13 Jun 2012 10:27:22 +1000, Scott wrote in message 4fd7de6a.6020...@gmail.com: On 13/06/12 04:45, Brian wrote: On Tue 12 Jun 2012 at 16:52:43 +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Tue, 12 Jun 2012 11:01:22 +0100, Brian wrote in message 20120612100122.GJ30016@desktop: The DVD is a USB device. She cannot boot from USB on the machine she wishes to install Debian to. snipped I've tried that a number of times with old machines whose BIOS didn't support USB booting, only on a couple of occasions did GRUB manage to use the root=/dev/sdb line. :-( ..the key is use the cdrom grub boot as a stepping stone to find the usb dvd's boot record, and boot that. E.g. Knoppix have a few 16?MB boot only isos to boot their 4GB dvd isos. Yes - I think (guess) it's the same as the one from DamnSmallLinux, (and uses the same mechanism as SBM), - a floppy chainloader for CD boot. It gets around the BIOS not being able to see the device attached to the USB. AFAIK GRUB can't get around that limitation (boot a device unseen by the BIOS) - though I don't doubt GRUB has the capacity to do so if SmartBootManager type hooks were written into a GRUB module (the spaceinvaders module for GRUB is a good example of how simple that might be). ..easiest way is chainload SBM, I suspect that may be what SBM does, I was able to hop back and forth between harddisk and cd or floppy by simply picking that item in SBM's menu. Got that idea idea trying to set up lilo boot on a box with a raid1 disk setup. ;o) ..in my (grub legacy) experience, I did this 3 ways, chainload the next boot loader, or, use memdisk as kernel and the iso image as initrd, Which should (I suspect) allow you to boot from devices not 'seen' by the BIOS (e.g. attached to cards, removable) ..correct. and finally the grub way, root ([tab][tab]. I borrowed memdisk from syslinux. ;o) ..but yes, grub and the kernel will often disagree on what's where. Your third way (I suspect) allows you to boot a device that is seen by the BIOS, but is seen by the BIOS as unbootable. Eg. BIOS sees USB, but doesn't allow for booting from a USB device (possibly the scenario in question). ..probably, I was trying to make money getting it out my door. ;o) snipped ..the first time I pulled such a stunt, (5 1996 vintage IBM 760ED thinkpads that came with 3 cdrom and 2 bootable floppy drives to fit the auxillary disk|battery compartment,) I put Smart Boot Manager (http://btmgr.sourceforge.net/about.html) on the harddisk mbrs, then removed the floppy drives and put in the cd drives and booted the distro installer cds from the harddisks. I suspect SBM uses the same mechanism as the Knoppix/DSL boot CD from floppy method. First X boot was an early knoppix clone that took 2.5 hours off that poor 4x cd drive. ;o) ...but almost certainly it got you some sort of graphical display - a major Linux achievement at the time (kudos to kudzu and Klaus's config scripting). ..probably, I don't recall any details other than that black screen suddenly lighting up into X half way thru my tax return, most installers back then (2000-2002?) used ncurses style graphics. Not much earlier than that it was just floppy installs as CDs wouldn't boot off card controllers - so DOS and laplink was considered corner cutting (I'd forgotten how unreliable floppy disks were). ..aye, I came aboard with a SuSE-5.2 cd trying to save data from ~25 Wintendo-95 crashes in a coupla weeks. ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120615042455.26a37...@celsius.lan
Re: unique install question? (Squeeze audio install using the Wheezy-di from a USB drive)
Hi Karen :) I suspect that 30GB won't be enough space to install all packages from all DVDs. Btw. I was a musician too and I was a radio producer too and there's still DR DOS for my Atari's 80286 hardware emulator installed. I guess that having those less things in common I still can forecast that you absolutely won't install all packages from the DVDs, but you will need to install from special repositories, perhaps Debian multimedia. If you like Debian and wish to get a Linux DAW check out http://www.bandshed.net/AVLinux.html http://ubuntustudio.org/ Perhaps somebody on that list has got information about the 64 Studio successor. At the moment I don't have a stable Linux DAW :(, but AVLinux (Debian Stable) and/or Ubuntu Studio Precise, might become the next stable DAW on my PC, both are installed. You should get some kind of Internet connection. At least a neighbor with a 56K modem, to get some urgently needed stuff from Debian multimedia or similar repos. FWIW for most people ;) best workflow for audio is given by Xfce and LXDE. For visually impaired people there's some Linux software that even does work with braille, while speech synth AFAIK don't work that good for DEs. I'm not visually impaired, but tested Orca with GNOME2. Regards, Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1339576279.3485.50.camel@precise
Re: unique install question? (Squeeze audio install using the Wheezy-di from a USB drive)
PS, OT: I preferred Xfce, but the more up to date Xfce is, the more serious issues do appear on my machine. For Debian stable Xfce still should be reliable, but for current Ubuntu and Arch I experience it as a PITA at the moment. GNOME2 is very good, but even if it should be provided by stable (dunno), GNOME3 already is the successor, a DE that will break the averaged ;) audio users workflow. Perhaps you'll be comfortable with LXDE. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1339576898.3485.58.camel@precise
Re: unique install question?
On Tuesday 12 June 2012 5:55:21 pm Karen Lewellen wrote: ...it is also the bit that does not work, which is why I asked here. Karen, who is playing catch up, and profoundly appreciative of all the wisdom shared here today. Karen, Have you contacted U of Toronto for help with your problem? From the outside, the university seems to be on the cutting edge of technology and linux development. Mark -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201206130514.16720.m...@neidorff.com
Re: unique install question? (Squeeze audio install using the Wheezy-di from a USB drive)
On Wed 13 Jun 2012 at 10:57:42 +1000, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 13/06/12 04:35, Brian wrote: By the time the choosing a mirror stage is reached with a netinst image or the first CD the base files (Stable or Testing versions) have been installed in /target. Instead of just hitting Enter at every opportunity try the expert - prior to partitioning (*before anything is written to the hard drive*) you'll be asked which release you want to install:- Stage: Choose a mirror of the Debian archive di question: Debian version to install: choice: squeeze - stable The main menu for a netinst iso: Choose language Select keyboard layout Detect and mount CD-ROM Load installer components from CD Detect network hardware Configure the network Set up users and passwords Configure the clock Detect disks Partition Disks Install the base system Configure the package manager Select and install software Install the GRUB boot loader on a hard disk Install the LILO boot loader on a hard disk Continue without a boot loader Finish the installation Change debconf priority Check the CD-ROM(s) integrity Save debug logs Execute a shell Abort the installation I don't see what you do. Is this a bug in my installer? Perhaps you have the businesscard image in mind? apropos of nothing The main menu for a businesscard iso: Choose language Select keyboard layout Detect and mount CD-ROM Load installer components from CD Detect network hardware Configure the network Choose a mirror of the Debian archive Set up users and passwords Configure the clock Detect disks Partition Disks Install the base system Configure the package manager Select and install software Install the GRUB boot loader on a hard disk Install the LILO boot loader on a hard disk Continue without a boot loader Finish the installation Change debconf priority Check the CD-ROM(s) integrity Save debug logs Execute a shell Abort the installation Now I do see the menu item you mentioned. The problem with this image for the OP is that it requires net access The OP has all the Squeeze CD/DVDs... why on earth do they need to connect to the internet? As is made clear in this thread - she doesn't and it would not benefit her. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120613092918.GN30016@desktop
Re: unique install question? (Squeeze audio install using the Wheezy-di from a USB drive)
On Wed, 2012-06-13 at 10:29 +0100, Brian wrote: The OP has all the Squeeze CD/DVDs... why on earth do they need to connect to the internet? As is made clear in this thread - she doesn't and it would not benefit her. Since she's willing to install 40 media players, because she's interested in music and radio, I suspect she need at least a slow Internet connection to get stuff similar to http://wiki.debian.org/MultimediaCodecs . Even if she shouldn't need the codecs, soon or later there will be a package that only is available by the Internet. She is able to receive emails somewhere, so she should be able to get some packages by the Internet. IMO Debian stable is a good choice for people who don't have Internet access, anyway, Linux is based on Internet communities, for special tasks we need to get some packages or sources from time to time by the Internet. When I used 56k and slower modems + Linux only, it forced me to switch to ISDN and later to ADSL. Regarding to the task of your Linux, it's vital to have Internet access. - Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1339581016.3485.72.camel@precise
Re: unique install question? (Squeeze audio install using the Wheezy-di from a USB drive)
On Wed 13 Jun 2012 at 10:27:22 +1000, Scott Ferguson wrote: PLoP will also allow you to boot from a CD/DVD that's not supported by the BIOS (pre-1998 BIOS) Plop claims not be able to boot a USB CD/DVD drive: http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager/full.html#l_usbinfo However, with a bit of ingenuity and a USB stick the OP could use this boot manager to put Squeeze on her computer. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120613095930.GO30016@desktop
Re: unique install question? (Squeeze audio install using the Wheezy-di from a USB drive)
On 2012-06-13, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: I don't see what you do. Is this a bug in my installer? He said prior to partitioning so I assume once you get into the partitioning dialogue, the installer gives you the opportunity to choose an expert install, and once an expert you may choose Squeeze as the target distribution. I may be assuming wrong, but that's how I understood what he said (in his rather curmudgeonly style). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/slrnjthdd8.2pu.cu...@einstein.electron.org
Re: unique install question? (Squeeze audio install using the Wheezy-di from a USB drive)
On Wed, 2012-06-13 at 15:45 +, Curt wrote: On 2012-06-13, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: I don't see what you do. Is this a bug in my installer? He said prior to partitioning so I assume once you get into the partitioning dialogue, the installer gives you the opportunity to choose an expert install, and once an expert you may choose Squeeze as the target distribution. I may be assuming wrong, but that's how I understood what he said (in his rather curmudgeonly style). IIRC it was Scott? who does exactly mentioned this in his kindly style :D. Options could have sub-options. - Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1339603077.3485.170.camel@precise
Re: unique install question? (Squeeze audio install using the Wheezy-di from a USB drive)
On 2012-06-13, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: IIRC it was Scott? who does exactly mentioned this in his kindly style :D. Options could have sub-options. - Ralf Yes, I was replying to Brian's inquiry concerning Scott's claim that one can install Squeeze using the Wheezy installer. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/slrnjthf3f.2so.cu...@einstein.electron.org
Re: unique install question? (Squeeze audio install using the Wheezy-di from a USB drive)
On Wed, 2012-06-13 at 16:14 +, Curt wrote: On 2012-06-13, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: IIRC it was Scott? who does exactly mentioned this in his kindly style :D. Options could have sub-options. - Ralf Yes, I was replying to Brian's inquiry concerning Scott's claim that one can install Squeeze using the Wheezy installer. I guess Scott holds the water and there will be an option, as soon as you choose an expert install. I'm using Linux only, but different distros and I was positively surprised that there is an option to disable the installation of a boot loader. Most of the times a new Linux install force to install a bootloader too, so that I have to reinstall the bootloader from the distro, that should provide the bootloader. :D Using Linux means to be on morphine to stand Linux, however, using Apple or Microsft is impossible, even with higher dosages of morphine. YMMV! - Ralf PS: I won an iPad, I really know what I'm talking about. The iPad is a PITA and the Win XP SP2 running on Arch Linux virtual box is a PITA too. Yes, for me Linux is a PITA too, but this pain is nothing compared to App$e and M$. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1339605054.3485.191.camel@precise
Re: unique install question? (Squeeze audio install using the Wheezy-di from a USB drive)
PS: I won an iPad, I really know what I'm talking about. The iPad is a PITA and the Win XP SP2 running on Arch Linux virtual box is a PITA too. Yes, for me Linux is a PITA too, but this pain is nothing compared to App$e and M$. I'm running VBox + XP to handle the iPad2, for nothing else, I even don't use wine or wineasio. When I one the iPad2 I directly should have sold it for more than 700,-€, unfortunately nobody would pay that much today. The iPad's hardware is amazing, that's why I kept it, but Apple and Microsoft software is odd (more odd than Linux software) and even a jailbrake seems to be limited. Some tasks could be done better using Apple or Microsoft (in German: Microsft = Winzigweich, a joke only German speakers could understand ;), anyway, a lot of things can be done with less afford, assumed ethic is unimportant. Woody Allen ... to much people in front of you at the cinema box office? ... kill'em all ... perhaps one of the early and good Metallica albums, while the Metallica guys today should be killed. I'm getting OT ;). Anyway, less effort isn't equal to a good ethical solution. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1339606400.3485.207.camel@precise
Re: unique install question? (Squeeze audio install using the Wheezy-di from a USB drive)
On Tue, 12 Jun 2012 21:47:37 -0400 (EDT), Karen wrote in message pine.bsf.4.64.1206122132390.12...@server1.shellworld.net: but I am working with very limited information, and have more than enough room on the 30gig hard drive I am using for all of the packages. ..oh yeah? ;o) root@celsius:~# du -sch /usr /boot/ /bin/ /etc/ /li* /sbin /var/lib 17G /usr 70M /boot/ 7.7M/bin/ 18M /etc/ 461M/lib 3.0M/lib32 4.0K/lib64 17M /sbin 6.2G/var/lib 23G total root@celsius:~# dpkg -l |grep ^ii |wc -l 4350 root@celsius:~# ..aptitude says: Not Installed Packages (33823)... ;o) Then I can choose so that for my next machine I can install less. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120613194440.52e05...@celsius.lan
Re: unique install question? (Squeeze audio install using the Wheezy-di from a USB drive)
On Wed, 2012-06-13 at 19:44 +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: [snip] Since I mentioned already that 30GB aren't that much today and Arnt also didn't explain why, I feel the need to explain what at least is my guess: A packages contains packed, compressed data, that means, that as soon as it's enpacked and installed, the needed space is much more than the bytes, the compressed package needs. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1339610359.8093.26.camel@precise
Re: unique install question? (Squeeze audio install using the Wheezy-di from a USB drive)
On Wed, 13 Jun 2012 10:27:22 +1000, Scott wrote in message 4fd7de6a.6020...@gmail.com: On 13/06/12 04:45, Brian wrote: On Tue 12 Jun 2012 at 16:52:43 +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Tue, 12 Jun 2012 11:01:22 +0100, Brian wrote in message 20120612100122.GJ30016@desktop: The DVD is a USB device. She cannot boot from USB on the machine she wishes to install Debian to. Make and model? I can't think of any common laptops (or netbooks) manufactured in the last ten years that can't boot from a USB device only the Toshiba R series laptops, and then only if it's the Toshiba external DVD not using a Toshiba OEM DVD/CD - for which there is a work-around. Enable legacy USB support in the BIOS (and disable any USB performance modes) and USB usually becomes bootable. snipped ..once in grub, Karen wants to issue:root ( and then hit the tab button twice, to get grub's suggestions on what it can boot. If that fails, take a standard grub meny entry and strip it down upwards from the bottom until the root ( and try again from there, grub 2 is more modular than legacy grub, and I don't remember if I've ever done this in anger from grub-2. I've tried that a number of times with old machines whose BIOS didn't support USB booting, only on a couple of occasions did GRUB manage to use the root=/dev/sdb line. :-( ..the key is use the cdrom grub boot as a stepping stone to find the usb dvd's boot record, and boot that. E.g. Knoppix have a few 16?MB boot only isos to boot their 4GB dvd isos. ..in my (grub legacy) experience, I did this 3 ways, chainload the next boot loader, or, use memdisk as kernel and the iso image as initrd, and finally the grub way, root ([tab][tab]. I borrowed memdisk from syslinux. ;o) ..but yes, grub and the kernel will often disagree on what's where. I've have had some success in those case with floppy image from DamnSmallLinux designed for that purpose. PLoP will also allow you to boot from a CD/DVD that's not supported by the BIOS (pre-1998 BIOS) ..the first time I pulled such a stunt, (5 1996 vintage IBM 760ED thinkpads that came with 3 cdrom and 2 bootable floppy drives to fit the auxillary disk|battery compartment,) I put Smart Boot Manager (http://btmgr.sourceforge.net/about.html) on the harddisk mbrs, then removed the floppy drives and put in the cd drives and booted the distro installer cds from the harddisks. First X boot was an early knoppix clone that took 2.5 hours off that poor 4x cd drive. ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120613200418.66f70...@celsius.lan
Re: unique install question? (Squeeze audio install using the Wheezy-di from a USB drive)
On Wed 13 Jun 2012 at 15:45:07 +, Curt wrote: On 2012-06-13, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: I don't see what you do. Is this a bug in my installer? He said prior to partitioning so I assume once you get into the partitioning dialogue, the installer gives you the opportunity to choose an expert install, Assumptions should be based on a modicum of knowledge and once an expert you may choose Squeeze as the target distribution. rather than a vivid imagination. :) I may be assuming wrong, but that's how I understood what he said (in his rather curmudgeonly style). You've omitted the prefix 'mis' in this sentence. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120613180450.GP30016@desktop
Re: unique install question?
Brian, understood. i did mention to the author at the time that his description was a bit vague, the text I shared is the result of his being more clear. In any case, the best course of action is likely different as you say. Karen On Tue, 12 Jun 2012, Brian wrote: On Tue 12 Jun 2012 at 17:55:21 -0400, Karen Lewellen wrote: ...it is also the bit that does not work, which is why I asked here. Karen, who is playing catch up, and profoundly appreciative of all the wisdom shared here today. Please abandon any idea of being able to install Squeeze using a Wheezy CD. The impression given by the text you quoted is well-intentioned but not quite detailed enough. The businesscard iso will do what you would like to do but, without net access, it is useless for your purpose. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120612221032.GM30016@desktop -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pine.bsf.4.64.1206131401460.45...@server1.shellworld.net
Re: unique install question? (Squeeze audio install using the Wheezy-di from a USB drive)
On Wed 13 Jun 2012 at 18:30:54 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Wed, 2012-06-13 at 16:14 +, Curt wrote: Yes, I was replying to Brian's inquiry concerning Scott's claim that one can install Squeeze using the Wheezy installer. I guess Scott holds the water and there will be an option, as soon as you choose an expert install. Why guess? It's easy enough to discover for yourself. Why rely on my, or anyone else's, statements? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120613180657.GQ30016@desktop
Re: unique install question? (Squeeze audio install using the Wheezy-di from a USB drive)
On Wed, 2012-06-13 at 20:04 +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: ..in my (grub legacy) experience Pff, you prefer grub legacy too? I'm using GRUB legacy myself, but I suspect newbies need to be able to handle GRUB 2 when installing most common distros?! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1339611256.8093.31.camel@precise
Re: unique install question?
On Wed, 13 Jun 2012 05:14:16 -0400, Mark wrote in message 201206130514.16720.m...@neidorff.com: On Tuesday 12 June 2012 5:55:21 pm Karen Lewellen wrote: ...it is also the bit that does not work, which is why I asked here. Karen, who is playing catch up, and profoundly appreciative of all the wisdom shared here today. Karen, Have you contacted U of Toronto for help with your problem? From the outside, the university seems to be on the cutting edge of technology and linux development. ..while you're there, Karen, ask them for their opinion of the http://knopper.net/knoppix-adriane/index-en.html, it speaks. ;o) ..if you go the Knoppix route, stay with version 6.7.1, todays current version 7.0.2 has a wee bug that denies you your use of useful menus, you'll need a new /etc/inittab.adriane: http://knopper.net/knoppix/knoppix702-en.html section Known bugs in version 7.0.2, should be fixed in 7.0.3. ..knoppix is a good way towards Debian. Can Debian Installer match it for blind people? -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120613202214.45a2a...@celsius.lan
Re: unique install question? (Squeeze audio install using the Wheezy-di from a USB drive)
On Wed, 2012-06-13 at 19:04 +0100, Brian wrote: On Wed 13 Jun 2012 at 15:45:07 +, Curt wrote: I may be assuming wrong, but that's how I understood what he said You've omitted the prefix 'mis' in this sentence. I misunderstood it in the same way. Language is a virus from outer space -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1339611988.8093.37.camel@precise
Re: unique install question? (Squeeze audio install using the Wheezy-di from a USB drive)
Hi, Really? on the radio production with whom did / do you file? For the record, I have the structure for high speed, even in dos. google the ssh2021b package for example. More detail than you need, but my structure is tied up in a legal complaint with a provider here in Canada who is at fault. Until that is settled, I cannot restore even my dos dsl structure let alone use anything else in my house...and I miss it very much. Production files are rather large, and you just cannot download that size in dialup no matter fast the modem. Will have to check out the audio production stuff referenced on that page you sent however. I am just not a most people kind of girl about any aspect of life. Oh and Dr dos like freedos is still under development. This computer has ms dos 7.1 augemented, with mine being a pentium III on it. I TELNET to a grebes s spelling shell for much of what I do until I can get back to high speed netting. Karen On Wed, 13 Jun 2012, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Hi Karen :) I suspect that 30GB won't be enough space to install all packages from all DVDs. Btw. I was a musician too and I was a radio producer too and there's still DR DOS for my Atari's 80286 hardware emulator installed. I guess that having those less things in common I still can forecast that you absolutely won't install all packages from the DVDs, but you will need to install from special repositories, perhaps Debian multimedia. If you like Debian and wish to get a Linux DAW check out http://www.bandshed.net/AVLinux.html http://ubuntustudio.org/ Perhaps somebody on that list has got information about the 64 Studio successor. At the moment I don't have a stable Linux DAW :(, but AVLinux (Debian Stable) and/or Ubuntu Studio Precise, might become the next stable DAW on my PC, both are installed. You should get some kind of Internet connection. At least a neighbor with a 56K modem, to get some urgently needed stuff from Debian multimedia or similar repos. FWIW for most people ;) best workflow for audio is given by Xfce and LXDE. For visually impaired people there's some Linux software that even does work with braille, while speech synth AFAIK don't work that good for DEs. I'm not visually impaired, but tested Orca with GNOME2. Regards, Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1339576279.3485.50.camel@precise -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pine.bsf.4.64.1206131418250.45...@server1.shellworld.net
Re: unique install question?
On Wed, 2012-06-13 at 20:22 +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: ..knoppix is a good way towards Debian. Can Debian Installer match it for blind people? Is the OP visually impaired, blind, a dyslexic or just to lazy to read or what ever? I don't know why she likes or needs a screen reader. It's not important, many distros ignore handicaps of humans for the installers, AFAIK Debian doesn't ignore blind people, dunno ... need to send this mail to somebody Bcc who should know such issues, that might be related to Debian. [Done] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1339612729.8093.46.camel@precise
Re: unique install question?
On Wed, 2012-06-13 at 20:38 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Wed, 2012-06-13 at 20:22 +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: ..knoppix is a good way towards Debian. Can Debian Installer match it for blind people? Is the OP visually impaired, blind, a dyslexic or just to lazy to read or what ever? I don't know why she likes or needs a screen reader. It's not important, many distros ignore handicaps of humans for the installers, AFAIK Debian doesn't ignore blind people, dunno ... need to send this mail to somebody Bcc who should know such issues, that might be related to Debian. [Done] PS: IIRC the person I Bcc this message(s), does need help to install even a new Debian. So being blind might be an issue, when using install medias. I might be mistaken. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1339612915.8093.48.camel@precise
Re: unique install question? (Squeeze audio install using the Wheezy-di from a USB drive)
On Wed 13 Jun 2012 at 20:26:28 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Wed, 2012-06-13 at 19:04 +0100, Brian wrote: On Wed 13 Jun 2012 at 15:45:07 +, Curt wrote: I may be assuming wrong, but that's how I understood what he said You've omitted the prefix 'mis' in this sentence. I misunderstood it in the same way. So now you are repentent? Language is a virus from outer space I cannot find your quote in the Bible or the Guardian. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120613184301.GR30016@desktop
Re: unique install question? (Squeeze audio install using the Wheezy-di from a USB drive)
On 2012-06-13, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: I may be assuming wrong, but that's how I understood what he said (in his rather curmudgeonly style). You've omitted the prefix 'mis' in this sentence. You've neglected correcting the rectal-cranial inversion from which you so cruelly suffer. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/slrnjthnqo.33p.cu...@einstein.electron.org
Re: unique install question?
Hi, Karen, Have you contacted U of Toronto for help with your problem? From the outside, the university seems to be on the cutting edge of technology and linux development. Not sure even who to start with over there. Can you share a link supporting your feelings? I hunted for a debian users group here, and finding none turned to lists. Obviously as expressed a human in town would be the best solution. I am told there is some firefox fancy configuring that I may need...later. Then there are things like audacity which I hope? I will be able to run in debian, but again that is after I learn more about what I am doing. The install effort I am making now is a test one so I can learn before using equipment I have no desire to break, smiles. Karen Mark -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201206130514.16720.m...@neidorff.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pine.bsf.4.64.1206131438080.45...@server1.shellworld.net
Re: unique install question? (Squeeze audio install using the Wheezy-di from a USB drive)
On Wed, 2012-06-13 at 14:34 -0400, Karen Lewellen wrote: Hi, Really? on the radio production with whom did / do you file? I'm 45 ½ years old and started professional video and audio engineering in the age of 16. Last time I made radio is years ago and it wasn't professional. I did it with Klaus, a kindergarten friend of mine, who publishes http://www.cosmiclava.de/ . Regards, Ralf PS: Artist and gifted people are never averaged people, even odd Hollywood does know this and produced films like Good Will Hunting and many other crap. IMO such movies denunciate special people as exotic freaks. FWIW, why do you need a screen reader, or don't you need it, but prefer it for what reason ever? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1339613665.8093.58.camel@precise
Re: unique install question? (Squeeze audio install using the Wheezy-di from a USB drive)
oh my...what have I started? put a creative challenge to this bunch and the ideas flow. *however* I have the equipment I have for this project, no more, so will need the the knowledgable human first with extra if I am going to spend energy this way. Honestly, I remain amazed, but there is only so much possible WITH this present box, its a Pentium II, which I admit I felt should have allowed for DVD booting from usb but it does not. Karen On Wed, 13 Jun 2012, Brian wrote: On Wed 13 Jun 2012 at 10:27:22 +1000, Scott Ferguson wrote: PLoP will also allow you to boot from a CD/DVD that's not supported by the BIOS (pre-1998 BIOS) Plop claims not be able to boot a USB CD/DVD drive: http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager/full.html#l_usbinfo However, with a bit of ingenuity and a USB stick the OP could use this boot manager to put Squeeze on her computer. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120613095930.GO30016@desktop -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pine.bsf.4.64.1206131456410.45...@server1.shellworld.net
Re: unique install question? (Squeeze audio install using the Wheezy-di from a USB drive)
On 2012-06-13, Curt cu...@free.fr wrote: You've omitted the prefix 'mis' in this sentence. You've neglected correcting the rectal-cranial inversion from which you so cruelly suffer. Actually I've now reread Scott's article and I agree that I did in fact misunderstand what he was on about, and it is unfortunately me therefore the one suffering from rectal-cranial inversion, a condition which I will now attempt to rectify but which I'm afraid is chronic in my case. So sorry. I will be thinking hard before posting any further messages from the land of cheese and honey. Adieu, Curt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/slrnjthou6.37h.cu...@einstein.electron.org
Re: unique install question? (Squeeze audio install using the Wheezy-di from a USB drive)
On Wed, 13 Jun 2012 19:59:19 +0200, Ralf wrote in message 1339610359.8093.26.camel@precise: On Wed, 2012-06-13 at 19:44 +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: [snip] Since I mentioned already that 30GB aren't that much today and Arnt also didn't explain why, I feel the need to explain what at least is my guess: A packages contains packed, compressed data, that means, that as soon as it's enpacked and installed, the needed space is much more than the bytes, the compressed package needs. ..to simplify further: ;o) 4350 packages installed onto 23GB, Karen could expand that to say 5673 packages: arnt@celsius:~/FG-git$ qalc 30Gbytes*4350/23Gbytes (30 * gigabyte * 4350) / (23 * gigabyte) = approx. 5673.913 ..which is roughly one sixth of what Debian can offer: arnt@celsius:~/FG-git$ qalc 30Gbytes*4350/23Gbytes/33823 ((30 * gigabyte * 4350) / (23 *gigabyte)) / 33823 = approx. 0.1677531 ..I'm able to squeeze in a little more into my 750GB laptop disk: arnt@celsius:~/FG-git$ qalc 750Gbytes*4350/23Gbytes (750 * gigabyte * 4350) / (23 * gigabyte) = approx. 141847.83 ..or if you will, 4 foie gras installs on top of Karen's. ;o) arnt@celsius:~/FG-git$ qalc 750Gbytes*4350/23Gbytes/33823 ((750 * gigabyte * 4350) / (23 * gigabyte)) / 33823 = approx. 4.1938275 arnt@celsius:~/FG-git$ -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120613210228.1f0ce...@celsius.lan
Re: unique install question? (Squeeze audio install using the Wheezy-di from a USB drive)
On Wed, 13 Jun 2012 20:14:16 +0200, Ralf wrote in message 1339611256.8093.31.camel@precise: On Wed, 2012-06-13 at 20:04 +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: ..in my (grub legacy) experience Pff, you prefer grub legacy too? ..only when I get stuck with v2. ;o) I'm using GRUB legacy myself, but I suspect newbies need to be able to handle GRUB 2 when installing most common distros?! ..yup, and they need docs and pointers to those. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120613210605.52121...@celsius.lan
Re: unique install question? (Squeeze audio install using the Wheezy-di from a USB drive)
On Wed 13 Jun 2012 at 18:42:58 +, Curt wrote: On 2012-06-13, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: I may be assuming wrong, but that's how I understood what he said (in his rather curmudgeonly style). You've omitted the prefix 'mis' in this sentence. You've neglected correcting the rectal-cranial inversion from which you so cruelly suffer. The problem with posting to a list which has technical problems as its focus is that you need to know what you are talking about. You needn't be totally correct but there needs to be some appreciation of the issues involved. You also need a sense of humour. The one and only way to counter what I have been saying is to present some technical evidence rather than deal in non-sequiturs. I may also have misunderstood your post prior to this one, in which case you may point out my mistake. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120613190812.GS30016@desktop
Re: unique install question?
On Wed, 2012-06-13 at 20:56 +0200, Julien Claassen wrote: Sorry for the haste! Ubuntu seems to be a good alternative. I certainly have seen it mentioned a couple of times on the Orca mailinglist. Hmm, I suspect Ubuntu Studio doesn't support braille for the install. On Wed, 2012-06-13 at 20:55 +0200, Julien Claassen wrote: [snip] Thank you for the information Julien :). How are you? Regards, Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1339614473.8093.62.camel@precise
Re: unique install question? (Squeeze audio install using the Wheezy-di from a USB drive)
On Wed, 2012-06-13 at 19:43 +0100, Brian wrote: Language is a virus from outer space I cannot find your quote in the Bible or the Guardian. Laurie Anderson. Since she is an academic, it must be truth ;). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1339614774.8093.64.camel@precise
Re: unique install question?
On Wed, 2012-06-13 at 21:13 +0200, Julien Claassen wrote: Hey again! Not sure about Ubuntu studio, it depends on how much it is based on Ubuntu. Can't you stack up on the special Ubuntu Studio packages, once you've installed a normal Ubuntu? I have the feeling, that a friend of mine recently did so. Yes, unfortunately Ubuntu Studio is related to Ubuntu, IOW, there are official meta packages for Ubuntu, that make a regular Ubuntu an Ubuntu Studio. Since Ubuntu Studio is official related to Ubuntu, it ships with some drawbacks, regarding to this thread it might be an advantage, that is really Ubuntu. You aren't mistaken! - Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1339615159.8093.68.camel@precise
Re: unique install question? (Squeeze audio install using the Wheezy-di from a USB drive)
Actually, and I am putting one answer here for more than one post in an effort to save clutter. where I sought to interrupt the installer as Sam detailed was prior to the network install section, there are network cards in the machine, but no connection. I found no reference to the archive mirror source on the menu, as that hinted at the Internet. I could not interrupt at the cd reference, I tried there as well. the command to exit and change the priority levels simply did not work at all, perhaps because the installer was too far along. Not that it matters now, it seems simplest to find a squeeze cd and hppe I can combine installing from both the cd and the external dvd. Which brings up another question, if I have all of the dvd images, do not I have all of the distribution? why will I have to go on line for anything at all until I learn more and want to make changes? Karen On Wed, 13 Jun 2012, Curt wrote: On 2012-06-13, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: I don't see what you do. Is this a bug in my installer? He said prior to partitioning so I assume once you get into the partitioning dialogue, the installer gives you the opportunity to choose an expert install, and once an expert you may choose Squeeze as the target distribution. I may be assuming wrong, but that's how I understood what he said (in his rather curmudgeonly style). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/slrnjthdd8.2pu.cu...@einstein.electron.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pine.bsf.4.64.1206131511280.45...@server1.shellworld.net
Re: unique install question?
Hey again! Not sure about Ubuntu studio, it depends on how much it is based on Ubuntu. Can't you stack up on the special Ubuntu Studio packages, once you've installed a normal Ubuntu? I have the feeling, that a friend of mine recently did so. Regards Julien =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Such Is Life: Very Intensely Adorable; Free And Jubilating Amazement Revels, Dancing On - FLOWERS! == Find my music at == http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html . If you live to be 100, I hope I live to be 100 minus 1 day, so I never have to live without you. (Winnie the Pooh) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/alpine.deb.2.00.1206132113110.26...@flower.world.net
Re: unique install question?
Hi! Harsh words Ralf. :-) OK, I never installed Debian myself using the install disks. But a friend did it. Debian does support blidn users. I don't know about the graphical install exactly, since we prefer the text based version. But I think they might. There is an Orca package for Debian and it works OK. But the latest Debian didn't include Orca - the screenreader - a few weeks ago. But there is always brltty for simpl e braille display access to the console. there might also be something like speakup or espeak or whatever to enable speech output for the commandline. Knoppix did support blind users as well. There is Vinux, which is a Debian version specially compiled for blind users. So screen reader support and some slight reordering of the desktop to be more obliging. there are other - completely unrelated - distros, which support blind and otherwise impaired users. But doesn't Knoppix have its own installer anymore? Best regards Julien =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Such Is Life: Very Intensely Adorable; Free And Jubilating Amazement Revels, Dancing On - FLOWERS! == Find my music at == http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html . If you live to be 100, I hope I live to be 100 minus 1 day, so I never have to live without you. (Winnie the Pooh) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/alpine.deb.2.00.1206132051250.26...@flower.world.net
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Sorry for the haste! Ubuntu seems to be a good alternative. I certainly have seen it mentioned a couple of times on the Orca mailinglist. Warm regards Julien =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Such Is Life: Very Intensely Adorable; Free And Jubilating Amazement Revels, Dancing On - FLOWERS! == Find my music at == http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html . If you live to be 100, I hope I live to be 100 minus 1 day, so I never have to live without you. (Winnie the Pooh) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/alpine.deb.2.00.1206132055340.26...@flower.world.net
Re: unique install question? (Squeeze audio install using the Wheezy-di from a USB drive)
On Wed, 2012-06-13 at 19:43 +0100, Brian wrote: On Wed 13 Jun 2012 at 20:26:28 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Wed, 2012-06-13 at 19:04 +0100, Brian wrote: On Wed 13 Jun 2012 at 15:45:07 +, Curt wrote: I may be assuming wrong, but that's how I understood what he said You've omitted the prefix 'mis' in this sentence. I misunderstood it in the same way. So now you are repentent? I'm confused and to lazy to re-read and re-translate all mails again :p. So I did misunderstood it? :D -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1339616383.8093.70.camel@precise
Re: unique install question?
From what I remember, Ubuntu in this case is better than a pure Debian, if you need the graphics. If you don't: Debian has much more to offer to me as a blnd user and it's more stable. :-) Best wishes Julien =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Such Is Life: Very Intensely Adorable; Free And Jubilating Amazement Revels, Dancing On - FLOWERS! == Find my music at == http://juliencoder.de/nama/music.html . If you live to be 100, I hope I live to be 100 minus 1 day, so I never have to live without you. (Winnie the Pooh) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/alpine.deb.2.00.1206132141190.26...@flower.world.net
Re: unique install question? (Squeeze audio install using the Wheezy-di from a USB drive)
On Wed, 2012-06-13 at 15:22 -0400, Karen Lewellen wrote: Not that it matters now, it seems simplest to find a squeeze cd and hppe I can combine installing from both the cd and the external dvd. Which brings up another question, if I have all of the dvd images, do not I have all of the distribution? why will I have to go on line for anything at all until I learn more and want to make changes? Karen Once the base system is installed you can run apt-cdrom to add in the index files of all your dvd disks to your /etc/apt/sources.list, from then on, when you run apt-get install program, it will ask you to insert one or more of your dvds. If you have all the dvds, you have the complete distribution. Only security updates will then need an internet connection. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1339617739.2684.38.camel@hp-g62
Re: unique install question? (Squeeze audio install using the Wheezy-di from a USB drive)
On 2012-06-13, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: The one and only way to counter what I have been saying is to present some technical evidence rather than deal in non-sequiturs. I may also have misunderstood your post prior to this one, in which case you may point out my mistake. Technical evidence that inside the Wheezy installer, in expert mode, prior to partitioning, but after choosing a mirror of the Debian archive, the installer asks which release you wish to install, at which point you may choose Squeeze? The technical evidence is in the empirical data referenced in the article of an experienced, regular user of this list. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/slrnjtht6i.3cf.cu...@einstein.electron.org
Re: unique install question? (Squeeze audio install using the Wheezy-di from a USB drive)
On 2012-06-13, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: I'm confused and to lazy to re-read and re-translate all mails again :p. So I did misunderstood it? :D We might have in a trivial way. The question is whether it's possible to install squeeze from a wheezy netinstall.iso, or vice-versa. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/slrnjthtbo.3cf.cu...@einstein.electron.org
Re: unique install question? (Squeeze audio install using the Wheezy-di from a USB drive)
On Wed, 2012-06-13 at 21:02 +0100, keith wrote: Only security updates will then need an internet connection. That's not true, I suspect that there are many special tasks that need Internet access. I only can speak for real real-time, such as CNC (not using myself) and pro-audio (currently no stable Linux DAW on my machine :(). Since Karen tends to use audio too, real-time abilities could become important for her too. Assumed you have a stable Linux that completely fit to your needs and you never need to change your hardware, than there is no reason to do any upgrade, even not security upgrades, assumed you're careful and Internet surfing isn't your main interest. I had a stable DAW, but needed a real professional audio-card. For my Envy24 semi-pro audio cards I had a stable DAW, but since I mounted a professional audio card, I stuck. The old stable Linux is unable to handle the new audio card, new Linux aren't able to fulfill my requirements, regarding to a professional, stable audio and MIDI workflow. I need the Internet to get a new stable Linux for my needs and I suspect that there are other domains for using Linux that need daily Internet access. If possible every Linux user should get good Internet access. - Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1339619009.8093.102.camel@precise
Re: unique install question? (Squeeze audio install using the Wheezy-di from a USB drive)
On Wed 13 Jun 2012 at 20:14:35 +, Curt wrote: On 2012-06-13, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: The one and only way to counter what I have been saying is to present some technical evidence rather than deal in non-sequiturs. I may also have misunderstood your post prior to this one, in which case you may point out my mistake. Technical evidence that inside the Wheezy installer, in expert mode, prior to partitioning, but after choosing a mirror of the Debian archive, the installer asks which release you wish to install, at which point you may choose Squeeze? I have presented the installer's main menu in an earlier post. There is no option for choosing a mirror before partitioning is offered. Now I may, of course, misunderstood what is happening, or not seen a menu item, or failed to delve deeply enough into the options offered. But there is a 'Configure the package manager' option after installing the base system - so why have the same thing twice? The technical evidence is in the empirical data referenced in the article of an experienced, regular user of this list. This is technical evidence? The only evidence you should be satisfied with is what you can obtain and verify for yourself. So do it. Run a Wheezy netinst installer inexpert mode. You need go no further than loading the installer components from CD. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120613204944.GT30016@desktop
Re: unique install question? (Squeeze audio install using the Wheezy-di from a USB drive)
On Wed, 2012-06-13 at 23:17 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Wed, 2012-06-13 at 20:14 +, Curt wrote: The technical evidence is in the empirical data referenced in the article of an experienced, regular user of this list. I only skim the text and my English is terrible broken. I'm sure that what ever Scott has written is correct. From memory my understanding is, that it's possible to install squeeze by booting the first wheezy media (CD or DVD) and than to continue with the wheezy medias. ^^ typo ;) squeeze No doubt, Scott can make a mistake, but regarding to this topic I don't think he's mistaken, it's more likely that my memory or translation is bad. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1339622344.8093.136.camel@precise
Re: unique install question? (Squeeze audio install using the Wheezy-di from a USB drive)
On Wed, 2012-06-13 at 20:14 +, Curt wrote: The technical evidence is in the empirical data referenced in the article of an experienced, regular user of this list. I only skim the text and my English is terrible broken. I'm sure that what ever Scott has written is correct. From memory my understanding is, that it's possible to install squeeze by booting the first wheezy media (CD or DVD) and than to continue with the wheezy medias. No doubt, Scott can make a mistake, but regarding to this topic I don't think he's mistaken, it's more likely that my memory or translation is bad. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1339622269.8093.134.camel@precise
Re: unique install question? (Squeeze audio install using the Wheezy-di from a USB drive)
On Wed 13 Jun 2012 at 23:17:49 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Wed, 2012-06-13 at 20:14 +, Curt wrote: The technical evidence is in the empirical data referenced in the article of an experienced, regular user of this list. I only skim the text and my English is terrible broken. I'm sure that what ever Scott has written is correct. From memory my understanding is, that it's possible to install squeeze by booting the first wheezy media (CD or DVD) and than to continue with the wheezy medias. No doubt, Scott can make a mistake, but regarding to this topic I don't think he's mistaken, it's more likely that my memory or translation is bad. Here, I'll help you out. No need to rely on memory or hearsay. The first Wheezy CD is at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/wheezy_di_alpha1/i386/iso-cd/ What shall we say? 15/20 minutes to download? Another 5 minutes to put on a USB stick? Boot. Whereabouts are you given the choice to install from Squeeze medias? I think we are all agreed it has to be before the partitioning stage, so there isn't too much for you to do. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120613224940.GU30016@desktop
Re: unique install question? (Squeeze audio install using the Wheezy-di from a USB drive)
Karen, I believe I can help you but am asking if it's ok to contact you off list to discuss. I also have a vision problem so am somewhat aware of your difficulty. Just reply to the list or to me private and I'll do what I can to get you up and running and learning Debian. Regards, Whit Hansell On 06/13/2012 03:22 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: Actually, and I am putting one answer here for more than one post in an effort to save clutter. where I sought to interrupt the installer as Sam detailed was prior to the network install section, there are network cards in the machine, but no connection. I found no reference to the archive mirror source on the menu, as that hinted at the Internet. I could not interrupt at the cd reference, I tried there as well. the command to exit and change the priority levels simply did not work at all, perhaps because the installer was too far along. Not that it matters now, it seems simplest to find a squeeze cd and hppe I can combine installing from both the cd and the external dvd. Which brings up another question, if I have all of the dvd images, do not I have all of the distribution? why will I have to go on line for anything at all until I learn more and want to make changes? Karen On Wed, 13 Jun 2012, Curt wrote: On 2012-06-13, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: I don't see what you do. Is this a bug in my installer? He said prior to partitioning so I assume once you get into the partitioning dialogue, the installer gives you the opportunity to choose an expert install, and once an expert you may choose Squeeze as the target distribution. I may be assuming wrong, but that's how I understood what he said (in his rather curmudgeonly style). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/slrnjthdd8.2pu.cu...@einstein.electron.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4fd95283.1040...@comcast.net
Re: unique install question? (Squeeze audio install using the Wheezy-di from a USB drive)
On 13/06/12 19:29, Brian wrote: On Wed 13 Jun 2012 at 10:57:42 +1000, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 13/06/12 04:35, a troll wrote: By the time the choosing a mirror stage is reached with a netinst image or the first CD the base files (Stable or Testing versions) have been installed in /target. Instead of just hitting Enter at every opportunity try the expert - prior to partitioning (*before anything is written to the hard drive*) you'll be asked which release you want to install:- Stage: Choose a mirror of the Debian archive di question: Debian version to install: choice: squeeze - stable The main menu for a netinst iso: This is an *audio* install - hence the OPs choice of the Wheezy installer. There is no graphical menu. Boot from wheezy and combine speakup with an expert install and the Squeeze DVDs to build Squeeze. Pick a method to start the speakup installer (the OP provided detailed instructions for one method). Combine it with expert (low debconf). start install with cmdline /install.386/vmlinux vga=788 priority=low initrd=/install.386/gtk/initrd.gz speakup.synth=soft -- quiet:- ;pick speakup from the menu - edit it to add priority=low ;after disk noise stops press 's' then Enter, at first menu select the ;change priority/debconf ;other variations (one method):- Follow the voice prompted menu... language - choose 6 (English - default) location - 2 locale - 2 additional locale - 135 default locale - 1 *then* choose detect and mount cd-rom which is where you'd add the first Squeeze CD-ROM... snipped I don't see what you do. Is this a bug in my installer? There is a bug, but clearly it's not in your installer. snipped -- Iceweasel/Firefox/Chrome/Chromium/Iceape/IE extensions for finding answers to questions about Debian:- https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/collections/Scott_Ferguson/debian/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4fd957e7.70...@gmail.com
Re: unique install question? (Squeeze audio install using the Wheezy-di from a USB drive)
On 14/06/12 01:45, Curt wrote: On 2012-06-13, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: I don't see what you do. Is this a bug in my installer? He said prior to partitioning so I assume once you get into the partitioning dialogue, the installer gives you the opportunity to choose an expert install, The installer gives you an opportunity to choose expert right at the very beginning of the install. Two choices - expertgui and just plain expert. Additionally you can change to expert install anytime during the install by changing the debconf level to low - expert simply means less is default and you are asked more question. Well prior to partitioning you have the opportunity to load additional modules (sound, ssh, parted, mirror choices, loadmedium etc). Though the choices are greater now the expert option has been in the debian installer for quite a few years - you just don't see it unless you make non-default choices (which suits most people). and once an expert you may choose Squeeze as the target distribution. after choosing the mirrors module during the load installer components from cd option (expert mode). alternatively you can just use the wheezy installer (it loads to ram) to load the squeeze installer (loadmedium module). I may be assuming wrong, No. But don't let that stop you from being snide. snipped Kind regards -- Iceweasel/Firefox/Chrome/Chromium/Iceape/IE extensions for finding answers to questions about Debian:- https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/collections/Scott_Ferguson/debian/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4fd95a5f.6020...@gmail.com
Re: unique install question? (Squeeze audio install using the Wheezy-di from a USB drive)
On 14/06/12 02:14, Curt wrote: On 2012-06-13, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: IIRC it was Scott? who does exactly mentioned this in his kindly style :D. Options could have sub-options. - Ralf Yes, I was replying to Brian's inquiry concerning Scott's claim that one can install Squeeze using the Wheezy installer. Claim? curmudgeonly - says nothing of me, speaks volumes of you. Regards. -- Iceweasel/Firefox/Chrome/Chromium/Iceape/IE extensions for finding answers to questions about Debian:- https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/collections/Scott_Ferguson/debian/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4fd95b10.7050...@gmail.com
Re: unique install question? (Squeeze audio install using the Wheezy-di from a USB drive)
On Wed, 13 Jun 2012 15:01:23 -0400 (EDT), Karen wrote in message pine.bsf.4.64.1206131456410.45...@server1.shellworld.net: oh my...what have I started? ..nobody told you what happens when you toss lighted matches down gas tank holes? Hint, it's usually audible. ;o) put a creative challenge to this bunch and the ideas flow. *however* I have the equipment I have for this project, no more, so will need the the knowledgable human first with extra if I am going to spend energy this way. Honestly, I remain amazed, but there is only so much possible WITH this present box, its a Pentium II, which I admit I felt should have allowed for DVD booting from usb but it does not. ..pentium II or III (2 or 3) or both? Very old, you could buy a new machine for the money you'll save on power. On the other hand, these slow old boxes will help heat your home. ..a bigger question is, does a Pentium II have enough omph to run an audio installer? -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120614074644.13177...@celsius.lan
Re: the information I got, was unique install question? [Clarify your needs]
Hello Karen Images for squeeze with software speech can be downloaded from http://people.debian.org/~sthibault/espeakup/ but they don't seem to be working any more due to kernel update in the official archive. As a replacement, the testing images (i.e. Wheezy) can be downloaded from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer [...] So it seems that the software you need (software speech) is only available in Wheezy. You have a Wheezy CD and Squeeze DVDs: the downside is that switching from Wheezy to Squeeze would mean downgrading, and as far as I know this is not supported by Debian: I don't know what would happen (after installing from CD) removing your Wheezy source from /etc/apt/sources.list and adding the Squeeze DVDs, and then upgrading your system. You would probably end up with broken dependencies or other strange things: as far as I know, running hybrid stable/testing systems is not a good idea. The software speech was not working, and as I had no way to post the error, I just used my hardware synthesizer, or installed this for use later. by which I mean once I discovered how to install the DVDs of squeeze. Perhaps there's a far better and cleaner way than mixing stable with testing: you could use DVD Wheezy images. Maybe the first image is enough, and maybe you won't need more packages than are contained in the first three images. If you can't get them easily I could send them to you for free, or so could someone else (I live in Europe so it would take a bit of time). You could install Wheezy from your CD, then update /etc/apt/sources.list adding the Wheezy DVD image(s), and finally installing the rest of your system from the new Wheezy source(s). Do you have an i386 computer? All the best, Andrew -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4fd6def3.6040...@bluebottle.com
Re: unique install question? (Squeeze audio install using the Wheezy-di from a USB drive)
On 12/06/12 12:57, Karen Lewellen wrote: I agree on changing the subject line, especially since Richard also removed the on point question. As for avoiding the post containing the information I got regarding changing the boot priorities and installing squeeze instead of wheezy from the debian accessibility wiki, I hope no one avoids it. serves to clarify why I was trying to do what I am still trying to do. *Yes - you can install Squeeze using Wheezy*, despite what some have claimed it doesn't require downgrading from Wheezy as no Wheezy packages are ever installed (the ability is nothing new to Debian). Yes the software synth works in Wheezy. You'll still (probably) need the first Squeeze DVD/CD even though you won't use the installer from it - you'll probably still use the packages. You won't need to install all the images - during the install you'll be asked if you have additional CD/DVDs. Answer yes and add the first Squeeze DVD/CD, rinse and repeat until all Squeeze DVD/CDs are added. Your install will then have a full list of the packages you have available locally. Just install what you need. Their are almost 20K packages on those DVDs with considerable replication (umpteen desktop environments alone, not just GNOME). This won't free you from updates. New updates are issued to fix functional and security bugs. If you never connect to the internet you may never need updates - or you could just use apt-zip or a similar mechanism to download updates on someone else's machine and transfer them to yours. You mention not being able to boot from DVD(?) Just use the Wheezy install image to create a USB install. Instructions are on wiki.debian.org. Make sure you have driver support included for your audio device. Hope I covered everything there. Kind regards snipped -- Iceweasel/Firefox/Chrome/Chromium/Iceape/IE extensions for finding answers to questions about Debian:- https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/collections/Scott_Ferguson/debian/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4fd70bfa.1080...@gmail.com
Re: unique install question?
On Mon 11 Jun 2012 at 18:11:26 -0400, Karen Lewellen wrote: [Snip] I must start with the cd, its the only way to boot. If you have the means to burn a Squeeze netinst iso to CD on your other computer that would be the most straightforward, in spite of the pain of downloading it (about 200 MB) over dialup. Does this other computer have a DVD drive and is it capable of booting from USB? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120612095422.GI30016@desktop
Re: unique install question? (Squeeze audio install using the Wheezy-di from a USB drive)
On Tue 12 Jun 2012 at 19:29:30 +1000, Scott Ferguson wrote: *Yes - you can install Squeeze using Wheezy*, despite what some have claimed it doesn't require downgrading from Wheezy as no Wheezy packages are ever installed (the ability is nothing new to Debian). them to yours. Aren't the kernel and base packages ones from Testing? You mention not being able to boot from DVD(?) Just use the Wheezy install image to create a USB install. Instructions are on wiki.debian.org. Make sure you have driver support included for your audio device. The DVD is a USB device. She cannot boot from USB on the machine she wishes to install Debian to. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120612100122.GJ30016@desktop
Re: unique install question?
@ Karen Lewellen Asa replacement, the testing images (i.e. Wheezy) can be downloaded from ]http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer , and when given the archive mirror choice, type '' to get back to main menu, change the priority to lowest, enter the mirror selection part again in the main menu, and then one can choose to install Squeeze instead of Wheezy, and change the priority to high again with the same method. This is the bit you need to concentrate on. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1339496561.3162.4.camel@hp-g62
Re: unique install question? (Squeeze audio install using the Wheezy-di from a USB drive)
On 12/06/12 20:01, Brian wrote: On Tue 12 Jun 2012 at 19:29:30 +1000, Scott Ferguson wrote: *Yes - you can install Squeeze using Wheezy*, despite what some have claimed it doesn't require downgrading from Wheezy as no Wheezy packages are ever installed (the ability is nothing new to Debian). them to yours. Aren't the kernel and base packages ones from Testing? Only if you choose to install Testing (it's at the choose repository stage of the install) You can install testing using the stable installer too. You mention not being able to boot from DVD(?) Just use the Wheezy install image to create a USB install. Instructions are on wiki.debian.org. Make sure you have driver support included for your audio device. The DVD is a USB device. She cannot boot from USB on the machine she wishes to install Debian to. Cheers - I've just re-read the scattered threads, still hard to understand even with that clarification. A make and model number might make things simpler. Anyway, the Wheezy installer will allow an audio install of Squeeze, which medium to run the installer from is another matter... certainly the installer allows for plenty of choices. Kind regards -- Iceweasel/Firefox/Chrome/Chromium/Iceape/IE extensions for finding answers to questions about Debian:- https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/collections/Scott_Ferguson/debian/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4fd72d9f.3060...@gmail.com
Re: unique install question? (Squeeze audio install using the Wheezy-di from a USB drive)
On Tue, 12 Jun 2012 11:01:22 +0100, Brian wrote in message 20120612100122.GJ30016@desktop: The DVD is a USB device. She cannot boot from USB on the machine she wishes to install Debian to. ..she can. She must put grub on her hard disk, or get e.g. the http://www.supergrubdisk.org/ on a cd, and then boot into grub. ..once in grub, Karen wants to issue:root ( and then hit the tab button twice, to get grub's suggestions on what it can boot. If that fails, take a standard grub meny entry and strip it down upwards from the bottom until the root ( and try again from there, grub 2 is more modular than legacy grub, and I don't remember if I've ever done this in anger from grub-2. ..tutorials etc: http://wiki.debian.org/Grub Some other distro's points of views: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/grub-2.html -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120612165243.5d9b5...@celsius.lan
Re: unique install question? (Squeeze audio install using the Wheezy-di from a USB drive)
On Tue 12 Jun 2012 at 21:53:03 +1000, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 12/06/12 20:01, Brian wrote: Aren't the kernel and base packages ones from Testing? Only if you choose to install Testing (it's at the choose repository stage of the install) You can install testing using the stable installer too. By the time the choosing a mirror stage is reached with a netinst image or the first CD the base files (Stable or Testing versions) have been installed in /target. Perhaps you have the businesscard image in mind? The problem with this image for the OP is that it requires net access and she declares she doesn't have it on the machine in question. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120612183548.GK30016@desktop
Re: unique install question? (Squeeze audio install using the Wheezy-di from a USB drive)
On Tue 12 Jun 2012 at 16:52:43 +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Tue, 12 Jun 2012 11:01:22 +0100, Brian wrote in message 20120612100122.GJ30016@desktop: The DVD is a USB device. She cannot boot from USB on the machine she wishes to install Debian to. ..she can. She must put grub on her hard disk, or get e.g. the http://www.supergrubdisk.org/ on a cd, and then boot into grub. She cannot boot from USB using bios settings. Is that any more precise? :) ..once in grub, Karen wants to issue:root ( and then hit the tab button twice, to get grub's suggestions on what it can boot. If that fails, take a standard grub meny entry and strip it down upwards from the bottom until the root ( and try again from there, grub 2 is more modular than legacy grub, and I don't remember if I've ever done this in anger from grub-2. I have experimented and it can be very frustrating and eventually lead nowhere. Not to be recommended to a newcomer to Debian. ..tutorials etc: http://wiki.debian.org/Grub Some other distro's points of views: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/grub-2.html There is nothing here which says This is how you boot a USB device on a computer which has no BIOS facility to do so. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120612184520.GL30016@desktop
Re: unique install question?
...it is also the bit that does not work, which is why I asked here. Karen, who is playing catch up, and profoundly appreciative of all the wisdom shared here today. On Tue, 12 Jun 2012, keith wrote: @ Karen Lewellen Asa replacement, the testing images (i.e. Wheezy) can be downloaded from ]http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer , and when given the archive mirror choice, type '' to get back to main menu, change the priority to lowest, enter the mirror selection part again in the main menu, and then one can choose to install Squeeze instead of Wheezy, and change the priority to high again with the same method. This is the bit you need to concentrate on. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1339496561.3162.4.camel@hp-g62 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pine.bsf.4.64.1206121752540.77...@server1.shellworld.net
Re: unique install question?
On Tue 12 Jun 2012 at 17:55:21 -0400, Karen Lewellen wrote: ...it is also the bit that does not work, which is why I asked here. Karen, who is playing catch up, and profoundly appreciative of all the wisdom shared here today. Please abandon any idea of being able to install Squeeze using a Wheezy CD. The impression given by the text you quoted is well-intentioned but not quite detailed enough. The businesscard iso will do what you would like to do but, without net access, it is useless for your purpose. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120612221032.GM30016@desktop
Re: unique install question? (Squeeze audio install using the Wheezy-di from a USB drive)
Brian, all: First the amount of creative thinking I have read regarding my situation simply cements for me why the debian community has earned the reputation it has. I am floored honestly, and will be starting a best edition of debian for dummies book thread shortly smiles. Still Brian has the situation here, and I will answer a few more questions in one place. The machine on to which I am installing Debian was built for me, not an off the shelf unit. To insure things like a serial port for the hardware speech, one almost has to do this these days. The thing is though, it was built a few years back, as shared I have been moving towards this project for a few years now. Honestly? although I have been using computers since 1988, I am far from a professional. I prefer finding those with the real wisdom, getting trained in person for what I need, and using that wisdom towards what I really do for a living. I do not like the tutorial ting, each human learns uniquely. I got training when I started, and have built on that training in my operating system of choice ever sense. Finding the in person wisdom on debian has been rather a task as shared. still... first indeed the bios getting do not allow for DVD booting whatsoever. second, I prefer using hardware speech to software, and when it would not talk, simply skipped the software aspect all together. The suggestions regarding grub were something I considered but passed on, far far more than I wished to take on all together, given the operating system is new to me, and the screen reader is as well, and I thought I could follow the steps outlined in the debian accessibility wiki...but they failed. third, while I have network cards in all of my machines, I am between dsl providers here, something that may not change for some time, so best to understand that dialup is the only Internet I have access to, at all right now. fourth, unless there is a list? somewhere of what packages are on which image, I do not want to guess from the installer, which is why I why install all I have before picking and choosing the first time out. I have heard that indeed past the third image might not be needful, but no clear explanation as to why. I have read with total firmness though that more than the first DVD/cd is needful, with getting packages later a time consuming task..plus an impossible one for me at the moment. Besides, if there are 6 or 8 DVD images for all of the stable squeeze, there must be a reason for them. Finally, aside from again throwing flowers at the entire lot of you, it seems the most practical use of my energy is going to be somehow getting a cd of the stable squeeze install. In the interim, I will ask about good debian teaching materials. Karen On Tue, 12 Jun 2012, Brian wrote: On Tue 12 Jun 2012 at 16:52:43 +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Tue, 12 Jun 2012 11:01:22 +0100, Brian wrote in message 20120612100122.GJ30016@desktop: The DVD is a USB device. She cannot boot from USB on the machine she wishes to install Debian to. ..she can. She must put grub on her hard disk, or get e.g. the http://www.supergrubdisk.org/ on a cd, and then boot into grub. She cannot boot from USB using bios settings. Is that any more precise? :) ..once in grub, Karen wants to issue:root ( and then hit the tab button twice, to get grub's suggestions on what it can boot. If that fails, take a standard grub meny entry and strip it down upwards from the bottom until the root ( and try again from there, grub 2 is more modular than legacy grub, and I don't remember if I've ever done this in anger from grub-2. I have experimented and it can be very frustrating and eventually lead nowhere. Not to be recommended to a newcomer to Debian. ..tutorials etc: http://wiki.debian.org/Grub Some other distro's points of views: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/grub-2.html There is nothing here which says This is how you boot a USB device on a computer which has no BIOS facility to do so. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120612184520.GL30016@desktop -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pine.bsf.4.64.1206121811100.77...@server1.shellworld.net
Re: unique install question? (Squeeze audio install using the Wheezy-di from a USB drive)
On 13/06/12 04:45, Brian wrote: On Tue 12 Jun 2012 at 16:52:43 +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Tue, 12 Jun 2012 11:01:22 +0100, Brian wrote in message 20120612100122.GJ30016@desktop: The DVD is a USB device. She cannot boot from USB on the machine she wishes to install Debian to. Make and model? I can't think of any common laptops (or netbooks) manufactured in the last ten years that can't boot from a USB device only the Toshiba R series laptops, and then only if it's the Toshiba external DVD not using a Toshiba OEM DVD/CD - for which there is a work-around. Enable legacy USB support in the BIOS (and disable any USB performance modes) and USB usually becomes bootable. snipped ..once in grub, Karen wants to issue:root ( and then hit the tab button twice, to get grub's suggestions on what it can boot. If that fails, take a standard grub meny entry and strip it down upwards from the bottom until the root ( and try again from there, grub 2 is more modular than legacy grub, and I don't remember if I've ever done this in anger from grub-2. I've tried that a number of times with old machines whose BIOS didn't support USB booting, only on a couple of occasions did GRUB manage to use the root=/dev/sdb line. :-( I've have had some success in those case with floppy image from DamnSmallLinux designed for that purpose. PLoP will also allow you to boot from a CD/DVD that's not supported by the BIOS (pre-1998 BIOS) Kind regards -- Iceweasel/Firefox/Chrome/Chromium/Iceape/IE extensions for finding answers to questions about Debian:- https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/collections/Scott_Ferguson/debian/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4fd7de6a.6020...@gmail.com
Re: unique install question? (Squeeze audio install using the Wheezy-di from a USB drive)
On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 06:51:31PM -0400, Karen Lewellen wrote: fourth, unless there is a list? somewhere of what packages are on which image, I do not want to guess from the installer, which is why I why install all I have before picking and choosing the first time out. I have heard that indeed past the third image might not be needful, but no clear explanation as to why. I have read with total firmness though that more than the first DVD/cd is needful, with getting packages later a time consuming task..plus an impossible one for me at the moment. Besides, if there are 6 or 8 DVD images for all of the stable squeeze, there must be a reason for them. The reason for all the DVD images is because there is a lot of software available. But I would be surprised if there is anybody on the planet who actually wants/needs all that software installed. There is a ton of scientific software, graphics software, music software, etc. There are probably at least 20 different music players. At least 15 different desktop environments / window managers. Usually a person picks just one or two. So I agree with everyone who has stated that you should probably not install all of the software on your computer. It is convenient to have all the DVD images, so that you are able to install any package you decide you would like to have. But the most popular software tends to be included in the first DVD image. Most people will only need the first image. Since you have dialup, you can still install software from the online repositories. You may be surprised to find out just how small in size some of the packages are. 1 megabyte and under is pretty common (with the exception of office suites, desktop environments, and games). -Rob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120613004303.ga18...@aurora.owens.net
Re: unique install question? (Squeeze audio install using the Wheezy-di from a USB drive)
On 13/06/12 04:35, Brian wrote: On Tue 12 Jun 2012 at 21:53:03 +1000, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 12/06/12 20:01, Brian wrote: Aren't the kernel and base packages ones from Testing? Only if you choose to install Testing (it's at the choose repository stage of the install) You can install testing using the stable installer too. By the time the choosing a mirror stage is reached with a netinst image or the first CD the base files (Stable or Testing versions) have been installed in /target. Instead of just hitting Enter at every opportunity try the expert - prior to partitioning (*before anything is written to the hard drive*) you'll be asked which release you want to install:- Stage: Choose a mirror of the Debian archive di question: Debian version to install: choice: squeeze - stable Perhaps you have the businesscard image in mind? apropos of nothing The problem with this image for the OP is that it requires net access The OP has all the Squeeze CD/DVDs... why on earth do they need to connect to the internet? snipped Kind regards -- Iceweasel/Firefox/Chrome/Chromium/Iceape/IE extensions for finding answers to questions about Debian:- https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/collections/Scott_Ferguson/debian/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4fd7e586.8060...@gmail.com
Re: unique install question? (Squeeze audio install using the Wheezy-di from a USB drive)
Rob, I do not work in most popular, because this may or may not mean most accessible from a screen reading standpoint, or more flexible from a usability standpoint...in my personal dictionary, there is no such thing as most people. I am using pure dos on my main computer for example, having never regarded windows as either a reasonable or practical way to run a computer, no matter how popular..but back to debian. case in point, I sing professionally and am a radio producer, for me there is no such thing as too many music players, smiles. Again if there were a list that one could review outside of the install process detailing the packages and the images with which they were associated, you would have a point. However without such a list to review in advance I would likely never discover other program options. If you know of such a list send away. Otherwise, the idea that I might find 20 music players waiting on DVD4, means I will most certainly now install everything to get to them lol! I seriously understand what you and the others are saying, but I am working with very limited information, and have more than enough room on the 30gig hard drive I am using for all of the packages. Then I can choose so that for my next machine I can install less. Karen On Tue, 12 Jun 2012, Rob Owens wrote: On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 06:51:31PM -0400, Karen Lewellen wrote: fourth, unless there is a list? somewhere of what packages are on which image, I do not want to guess from the installer, which is why I why install all I have before picking and choosing the first time out. I have heard that indeed past the third image might not be needful, but no clear explanation as to why. I have read with total firmness though that more than the first DVD/cd is needful, with getting packages later a time consuming task..plus an impossible one for me at the moment. Besides, if there are 6 or 8 DVD images for all of the stable squeeze, there must be a reason for them. The reason for all the DVD images is because there is a lot of software available. But I would be surprised if there is anybody on the planet who actually wants/needs all that software installed. There is a ton of scientific software, graphics software, music software, etc. There are probably at least 20 different music players. At least 15 different desktop environments / window managers. Usually a person picks just one or two. So I agree with everyone who has stated that you should probably not install all of the software on your computer. It is convenient to have all the DVD images, so that you are able to install any package you decide you would like to have. But the most popular software tends to be included in the first DVD image. Most people will only need the first image. Since you have dialup, you can still install software from the online repositories. You may be surprised to find out just how small in size some of the packages are. 1 megabyte and under is pretty common (with the exception of office suites, desktop environments, and games). -Rob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120613004303.ga18...@aurora.owens.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pine.bsf.4.64.1206122132390.12...@server1.shellworld.net
unique install question?
Hi all, I just joined the list last evening. I have a very unusual install issue with debian, frankly wish there was someone local to Toronto to help, but perhaps I can get enough wisdom here to solve the problem. I will be as detailed as I can, feel free to ask though if you need to know more. The details are rather tightly focused. Here is the situation. I have a complete set of squeeze images in DVD, I do mean complete. I have no network connection in the computer I am installing debian on, so wish to install all of these images, so as not to need to update any packages. Better more debian than I might need, than not enough. While I have an external DVD drive, the machine will not allow me to boot from the usb port. I do have a cd drive in the computer from which I can boot just fine. In an effort to have speech, I experience sight loss, I had someone burn the first boot disc for wheezy its a test image, on cd for me. I was told that there would be a way to start the install with wheezy from cd, but finish from the desired squeeze images, in short install squeeze instead of wheezy. That bit of information does not seem to be correct, or at least the method to accomplish this was not shared correctly. I will have extra help tomorrow morning so want to start this process. I have been waiting several years to try debian, and now that I have some hardware and the DVD images, I really wish to move forward on this without wasting the images I already have. I must start with the cd, its the only way to boot. I might add that there is no other operating system on the computer I am using for the installation. so...how can I start the install with the bootable wheezy test cd image I have, but change the boot priority in a way that lets me install squeeze from the external DVD drive I have here? Thanks for your ideas, Karen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pine.bsf.4.64.1206111744240.28...@server1.shellworld.net
Re: unique install question?
On Mon, 2012-06-11 at 18:11 -0400, Karen Lewellen wrote: [snip] Here is the situation. I have a complete set of squeeze images in DVD, I do mean complete. I have no network connection in the computer I am installing debian on, so wish to install all of these images, so as not to need to update any packages. You hardly will need the packages from all DVDs, I suspect that there's too much software you don't need. Don't install all images ;). Better more debian than I might need, than not enough. Wrong! You want 1000 daemons running, doing resource hungry operations that will slow down performance, even if they should be completely useless for you? [snip] I was told that there would be a way to start the install with wheezy from cd, but finish from the desired squeeze images At least a newbie shouldn't try to install stable by starting to install testing first. [snip] Get the first install CD for Debian stable, don't use the first CD for testing. http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.5/i386/iso-cd/ http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.5/amd64/iso-cd/debian-6.0.5-amd64-CD-1.iso 0,02€, Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1339456013.3015.16.camel@precise
Re: unique install question?
On 11/06/12 06:11 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: Hi all, I just joined the list last evening. I have a very unusual install issue with debian, frankly wish there was someone local to Toronto to help, but perhaps I can get enough wisdom here to solve the problem. I will be as detailed as I can, feel free to ask though if you need to know more. The details are rather tightly focused. Here is the situation. I have a complete set of squeeze images in DVD, I do mean complete. I have no network connection in the computer I am installing debian on, so wish to install all of these images, so as not to need to update any packages. Better more debian than I might need, than not enough. While I have an external DVD drive, the machine will not allow me to boot from the usb port. I do have a cd drive in the computer from which I can boot just fine. In an effort to have speech, I experience sight loss, I had someone burn the first boot disc for wheezy its a test image, on cd for me. I was told that there would be a way to start the install with wheezy from cd, but finish from the desired squeeze images, in short install squeeze instead of wheezy. That bit of information does not seem to be correct, or at least the method to accomplish this was not shared correctly. I will have extra help tomorrow morning so want to start this process. I have been waiting several years to try debian, and now that I have some hardware and the DVD images, I really wish to move forward on this without wasting the images I already have. I must start with the cd, its the only way to boot. I might add that there is no other operating system on the computer I am using for the installation. so...how can I start the install with the bootable wheezy test cd image I have, but change the boot priority in a way that lets me install squeeze from the external DVD drive I have here? Thanks for your ideas, Karen If you have access to the Internet on another computer, download and burn the netinst CD image. After you have a base system installed, you can use apt-cd to add the DVD volumes as sources. NOTE: If your DVDs are Wheezy, then you can just use the CD you already have. However, if your DVDs are the Squeeze (Stable) version, then you need the Squeeze (stable) netinst CD. After you have the base system and the DVDs added as sources, then you can use tasksel to add the extra software to make it into a normal desktop system (assuming that's what you want) or a specialized server. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4fd68924.9070...@rogers.com
Re: unique install question?
Hi, first, the test image of wheezy came with software speech installed, which is why I wanted it. second, it took me a year to find anyone who could create these images for me. and I cannot burn the stable squeeze cd myself, no means as my main computer only has dialup. Agreed, had I not been told that Debian would not care which method I used, it might have been smarter to ignore having speech for the install, but I have what I have. third on your question, I would rather have all of debian than not enough, even if useless to me. I will have no way after the fact to upgrade anything...and am not a speed junkie smiles. As expressed, the situation is not something I can shift without a grand loss of time, I am serious about how long it took me to find a person able to burn what I have. thanks, Karen On Tue, 12 Jun 2012, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Mon, 2012-06-11 at 18:11 -0400, Karen Lewellen wrote: [snip] Here is the situation. I have a complete set of squeeze images in DVD, I do mean complete. I have no network connection in the computer I am installing debian on, so wish to install all of these images, so as not to need to update any packages. You hardly will need the packages from all DVDs, I suspect that there's too much software you don't need. Don't install all images ;). Better more debian than I might need, than not enough. Wrong! You want 1000 daemons running, doing resource hungry operations that will slow down performance, even if they should be completely useless for you? [snip] I was told that there would be a way to start the install with wheezy from cd, but finish from the desired squeeze images At least a newbie shouldn't try to install stable by starting to install testing first. [snip] Get the first install CD for Debian stable, don't use the first CD for testing. http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.5/i386/iso-cd/ http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.5/amd64/iso-cd/debian-6.0.5-amd64-CD-1.iso 0,02€, Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1339456013.3015.16.camel@precise
Re: unique install question?
Hi Karen :) if possible sent to the list only, don't CC instead and please switch from top to bottom post. On Mon, 2012-06-11 at 20:24 -0400, Karen Lewellen wrote: Hi, first, the test image of wheezy came with software speech installed, which is why I wanted it. Do you want a special speech software? If not, since gnome-orca is available for all versions of Debian, the speech-dispatcher will provide at least festival. Or should the installer already use a speech synth? [1] second, it took me a year to find anyone who could create these images for me. and I cannot burn the stable squeeze cd myself, no means as my main computer only has dialup. Hm? If you would be from Germany, I could sent you a CD. I suspect somebody from your country is willing to sent you the CD too. Agreed, had I not been told that Debian would not care which method I used, it might have been smarter to ignore having speech for the install, but I have what I have. [1] You really need speech for installing? third on your question, I would rather have all of debian than not enough, even if useless to me. I will have no way after the fact to upgrade anything...and am not a speed junkie smiles. You don't need to install all packages, when you install Debian. You only should install what you need at the moment. It's possible to install additional packages from DVD later. This is independent from upgrades. As expressed, the situation is not something I can shift without a grand loss of time, I am serious about how long it took me to find a person able to burn what I have. FWIW, avoid using install medias from Linux magazines. You can buy regular Debian install medias, take a look at http://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/ OTOH it might be less expensive to visit an internet café to download and burn the media ... if nobody is willing to sent you a CD for free ;). Regards, Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1339462378.3015.49.camel@precise
Re: unique install question?
On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 08:24:29PM -0400, Karen Lewellen wrote: Hi, first, the test image of wheezy came with software speech installed, which is why I wanted it. second, it took me a year to find anyone who could create these images for me. and I cannot burn the stable squeeze cd myself, no means as my main computer only has dialup. Agreed, had I not been told that Debian would not care which method I used, it might have been smarter to ignore having speech for the install, but I have what I have. third on your question, I would rather have all of debian than not enough, even if useless to me. I will have no way after the fact to upgrade anything...and am not a speed junkie smiles. Hi Karen. If you start with a Wheezy installation CD, I think it is impossible to end up with pure Squeeze. But perhaps you can end up with mostly Squeeze. Here is how I would do it. I've never installed from DVD -- only from the netinst CD. But on the netinst CD (and perhaps the DVD) there is a screen which asks what type of software you want installed. Some choices are: Desktop environment, Web server, Laptop, etc. I would deselect all of them. I'm not sure if that will negatively affect the speech software, though. Once the installation is done, you will have a very basic Wheezy installation. It will have no graphical interface -- only command line. Change your /etc/apt/sources.list to remove references to Wheezy, and add references to Squeeze. Folks on the list, what's the best way to do this? Use the apt-cdrom command? So your /etc/apt/sources.list might end up looking something like this: deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.1 _Squeeze_ - Official amd64 DVD Binary-1 20110319-14:31]/ squeeze contrib main Then you can install software from your Squeeze DVDs. Note that some software may conflict with something you've already got installed from Wheezy. In that case, you will want to try downgrading from the Wheezy version of whatever package to the Squeeze version. All of this software installation is done using apt-get, aptitude, synaptic, or some other package management tool. I realize this advice is incomplete, but hopefully it'll get you started. -Rob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120612005843.ga11...@aurora.owens.net
Re: unique install question? [Clarify your needs]
On Mon, 2012-06-11 at 19:16 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: For either case, do you have high speed internet access? The OP doesn't have any Internet access for the computer where Debian should be installed. - Ralf PS: Thread was and is unique install question? ;). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1339462777.3015.53.camel@precise
the information I got, was unique install question? [Clarify your needs]
As I offered, here is a quotation from the Debian accessibility wiki. I might have cut it down a bit more, but you will see the information relating to how to start with wheezy and shift to squeeze. for the record, I ended up installing hardware speech, the field for software speech can be edited, and as I had help here this is what I I ended up doing. The software speech was not working, and as I had no way to post the error, I just used my hardware synthesizer, or installed this for use later. by which I mean once I discovered how to install the DVDs of squeeze. However the steps stated for changing the priority do not work. I asked Samuel the author of the wiki post if debian could only install from one install medium and was told Debian would not care. However the mirror archive function he referenced did not appear. Hope this is clear. best to read carefully as there is slightly more data here than needful. Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 12:07:18 -0500 (CDT) Debian installer accessibility The Debian installer has braille, speech, and contrast accessibility features which are documented in the installation manual for the stable release,the last upload of the installation manual for the testing release , as well asthe current draft for next upload. USB devices are automatically detected, serial devices need configuration at boot. In addition to the existing hardware speech support in the installer of Squeeze (Debian 6.0), software speech will be supported in Wheezy (Debian 7.0), the daily builds (the netboot mini.iso for instance i386amd64) have it: when you get at the boot menu (a beep is emitted), simply press s and enter. If speech synthesis does not come up, we need information to find out where the bug is. Inside the installer, press alt-f2 to switch to a shell console, press enter to start the shell, and type amixer scontrols and post the output todebian-accessibil...@lists.debian.org so we can know whether a sound card was detected and what the volume level names are. If only an error message shows up, or if you do not have resources to be able to read the shell console, please try to run a live CD, make sound work with it, and post the output of lsmod to debian-accessibil...@lists.debian.org so we can know what sound driver is missing. Images for squeeze with software speech can be downloaded from http://people.debian.org/~sthibault/espeakup/ but they don't seem to be working any more due to kernel update in the official archive. As a replacement, the testing images (i.e. Wheezy) can be downloaded from ]http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer , and when given the archive mirror choice, type '' to get back to main menu, change the priority to lowest, enter the mirror selection part again in the main menu, and then one can choose to install Squeeze instead of Wheezy, and change the priority to high again with the same method. On Tue, 12 Jun 2012, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Mon, 2012-06-11 at 19:16 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: For either case, do you have high speed internet access? The OP doesn't have any Internet access for the computer where Debian should be installed. - Ralf PS: Thread was and is unique install question? ;). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1339462777.3015.53.camel@precise -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pine.bsf.4.64.1206112128330.36...@server1.shellworld.net
Re: unique install question?
Reconsider that changing the subject in a way, we would do it for private mails, isn't helpful on a mailing list, since the context gets lost, because not everybody does follow the whole thread. I guess you'll get more response within the day, if you avoid subjects such as the information I got, was unique install question? [Clarify your needs]. Best, Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1339467541.3441.6.camel@oz.(null)
Re: unique install question?
I agree on changing the subject line, especially since Richard also removed the on point question. As for avoiding the post containing the information I got regarding changing the boot priorities and installing squeeze instead of wheezy from the debian accessibility wiki, I hope no one avoids it. serves to clarify why I was trying to do what I am still trying to do. Karen In fact, I will put that data again, so it is back with this thread. Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 12:07:18 -0500 (CDT) Debian installer accessibility The Debian installer has braille, speech, and contrast accessibility features which are documented in the installation manual for the stable release,the last upload of the installation manual for the testing release , as well asthe current draft for next upload. USB devices are automatically detected, serial devices need configuration at boot. In addition to the existing hardware speech support in the installer of Squeeze (Debian 6.0), software speech will be supported in Wheezy (Debian 7.0), the daily builds (the netboot mini.iso for instance i386amd64) have it: when you get at the boot menu (a beep is emitted), simply press s and enter. If speech synthesis does not come up, we need information to find out where the bug is. Inside the installer, press alt-f2 to switch to a shell console, press enter to start the shell, and type amixer scontrols and post the output todebian-accessibil...@lists.debian.org so we can know whether a sound card was detected and what the volume level names are. If only an error message shows up, or if you do not have resources to be able to read the shell console, please try to run a live CD, make sound work with it, and post the output of lsmod to debian-accessibil...@lists.debian.org so we can know what sound driver is missing. Images for squeeze with software speech can be downloaded from http://people.debian.org/~sthibault/espeakup/ but they don't seem to be working any more due to kernel update in the official archive. As a replacement, the testing images (i.e. Wheezy) can be downloaded from ]http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer , and when given the archive mirror choice, type '' to get back to main menu, change the priority to lowest, enter the mirror selection part again in the main menu, and then one can choose to install Squeeze instead of Wheezy, and change the priority to high again with the same method. On Tue, 12 Jun 2012, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Reconsider that changing the subject in a way, we would do it for private mails, isn't helpful on a mailing list, since the context gets lost, because not everybody does follow the whole thread. I guess you'll get more response within the day, if you avoid subjects such as the information I got, was unique install question? [Clarify your needs]. Best, Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1339467541.3441.6.camel@oz.(null) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pine.bsf.4.64.1206112251290.38...@server1.shellworld.net
