Install/Upgrade/Use ext3 or xfs

2004-10-15 Thread Eric Wagar
How do I install and use ext3 or xfs filesystems
from the  initial install?  I see a lot of
documentation
on how to convert, but I'd like to get them running
from the beginning.
 
Thanks
eric


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Re: Install/Upgrade/Use ext3 or xfs

2004-10-15 Thread Mike Smith
On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 10:37:22 -0700 (PDT), Eric Wagar
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 How do I install and use ext3 or xfs filesystems
 from the  initial install?  I see a lot of
 documentation
 on how to convert, but I'd like to get them running
 from the beginning.
 
 Thanks
 eric
 
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laptop. It's an updated Woody installer that includes XFS and updated
drivers among other things. It worked well for me.

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Re: Install/Upgrade/Use ext3 or xfs

2004-10-15 Thread Roberto Sanchez
Eric Wagar wrote:
How do I install and use ext3 or xfs filesystems
from the  initial install?  I see a lot of
documentation
on how to convert, but I'd like to get them running
from the beginning.
 
Thanks
eric


Boot a Knoppix CD and do a chroot install
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Re: Install/Upgrade/Use ext3 or xfs

2004-10-15 Thread Eric Wagar
  How do I install and use ext3 or xfs filesystems
  from the  initial install?  I see a lot of
  documentation
  on how to convert, but I'd like to get them
 running
  from the beginning.
 
 Boot a Knoppix CD and do a chroot install

What is a chroot install?  You mean boot Knoppix and
then within one of its shells, to load the Debian CD's
and install?


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Re: Install/Upgrade/Use ext3 or xfs

2004-10-15 Thread Sylvain Vedrenne
On Friday 15 October 2004 22:29, Eric Wagar wrote:
   How do I install and use ext3 or xfs filesystems
   from the  initial install?  I see a lot of
   documentation
   on how to convert, but I'd like to get them
 
  running
 
   from the beginning.
 
  Boot a Knoppix CD and do a chroot install

 What is a chroot install?  You mean boot Knoppix and
 then within one of its shells, to load the Debian CD's
 and install?
Hi,
Use chroot install to install the Knoppix to a hard drive. 
Knoppix is based on Debian, so I assume Roberto means chroot install using 
just your Knoppix CD, that's it. 

(Never tried it myself, though, I installed Debian from the internet, using 2 
floppies.)

Sylvain.

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Re: Install/Upgrade/Use ext3 or xfs

2004-10-15 Thread linux
Sylvain Vedrenne wrote:
On Friday 15 October 2004 22:29, Eric Wagar wrote:
 

How do I install and use ext3 or xfs filesystems
from the  initial install?  I see a lot of
documentation
on how to convert, but I'd like to get them
   

running
 

from the beginning.
   

Boot a Knoppix CD and do a chroot install
 

What is a chroot install?  You mean boot Knoppix and
then within one of its shells, to load the Debian CD's
and install?
   

Hi,
Use chroot install to install the Knoppix to a hard drive. 
Knoppix is based on Debian, so I assume Roberto means chroot install using 
just your Knoppix CD, that's it. 

(Never tried it myself, though, I installed Debian from the internet, using 2 
floppies.)

Sylvain.
 

I may be missing something, but you suggest to install Knopix over 
Debian? I have to admit I do not have all the previous conversation in 
my mail box. Sorry for that. I usually just read and try to learn, so 
when I am doing something and run into problem I go into my saved 
disscusition and pull the one out.
ed.

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Re: Install/Upgrade/Use ext3 or xfs

2004-10-15 Thread Sylvain Vedrenne
On Friday 15 October 2004 22:57, linux wrote:
 Use chroot install to install the Knoppix to a hard drive.
 Knoppix is based on Debian, so I assume Roberto means chroot install
  using just your Knoppix CD, that's it.
 [..] Sylvain.

 I may be missing something, but you suggest to install Knopix over
 Debian? I have to admit I do not have all the previous conversation in
 my mail box. Sorry for that. I usually just read and try to learn, so
 when I am doing something and run into problem I go into my saved
 disscusition and pull the one out.
 ed.
Well...I didn't suggest anything, actually. I just tried to answer your 
question on chroot install. Better ask Roberto for more details.

Regards,
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Re: Install/Upgrade/Use ext3 or xfs

2004-10-15 Thread Roberto Sanchez
Eric Wagar wrote:
How do I install and use ext3 or xfs filesystems
from the  initial install?  I see a lot of
documentation
on how to convert, but I'd like to get them
running
from the beginning.
Boot a Knoppix CD and do a chroot install

What is a chroot install?  You mean boot Knoppix and
then within one of its shells, to load the Debian CD's
and install?

Check out these sites:
http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DebianChrootInstall
http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch-preparing.en.html#s-linux-upgrade
http://trilldev.sourceforge.net/files/remotedeb.html
Essentially, the chroot install allows you to install Debian
from within an already installed system.  Since the Woody
installer issuch a pain, I find it much easier to do a
chroot install if that is what I need to install.  Additionally,
Knoppix natively supports XFS, so you can make XFS partitions
and install to them.  It also lets you have a fully functional
system at your disposal while the Debian install is proceding.
I.e., you can browse the web or do other stuff.
Let me know if you need fruther clarification.
HTH,
-Roberto Sanchez


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Re: Install/Upgrade/Use ext3 or xfs

2004-10-15 Thread Greg Madden
On Friday 15 October 2004 09:37 am, Eric Wagar wrote:
 How do I install and use ext3 or xfs filesystems
 from the  initial install?  I see a lot of
 documentation
 on how to convert, but I'd like to get them running
 from the beginning.

 Thanks
 eric

Install Sarge, xfs (and ext3) are part of the kernel tree for 2.4  2.6. 
Woody has to many work arounds/backports for a modern Gnu/Linux system.
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Re: upgrade to ext3 ?

2002-04-25 Thread Walter Tautz

 Robin,
 
 How do I  place the module on the initrd?

On woody, at least, make sure it's listed in /etc/mkinitrd/modules.

Note that if /etc/fstab indicates that / is to be mounted as ext3, mkinitrd
will detect this and automatically load the requisite modules without having
to create entries in /etc/mkinitrd/modules. So if you are building a new kernel
with make-kpkg that is intended to support ext3 on / you should change
/etc/fstab prior to installing your new initrd equipped kernel.
This is of course provided / actually supports ext3 which can be turned on
via tune2fs -j /dev/root-partition


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Re: upgrade to ext3 ?

2002-04-15 Thread Tim Dijkstra
On Sun, 14 Apr 2002 00:30:25 -0700 (PDT)
Lars Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 My woody system has the pre-compiled debian kernel-image 2.4.17-k7. 
 Is support for ext3 compiled into this kernel? If so, is it correct
 that all I do to upgrad is,
 
 tune2fs -j /dev/...
 
 and replace ext2 in /ect/fstab by ext3 ?
 
Just curious (I'm not really into file systems): Why should I want ext3 instead 
of ext2? Is it speed, stability?

Tim


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Re: upgrade to ext3 ?

2002-04-15 Thread Danie Roux
On Mon, Apr 15, 2002 at 10:50:47AM +0200, Tim Dijkstra wrote:
 Just curious (I'm not really into file systems): Why should I want
 ext3 instead of ext2? Is it speed, stability?

One reason: Journalling. 

Basically writes on the filesystem happens as transactions. So if the
one transaction gets interrupted (power failure etc.) the filesystem can
be returned to a previous correct state.

It also means fsck happens extremely quickly :)

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Re: upgrade to ext3 ?

2002-04-15 Thread Paul 'Baloo' Johnson
On Mon, 15 Apr 2002, Tim Dijkstra wrote:

 Just curious (I'm not really into file systems): Why should I want
 ext3 instead of ext2? Is it speed, stability?

A little of both.

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Re: upgrade to ext3 ?

2002-04-15 Thread Johann Spies
On Mon, Apr 15, 2002 at 02:06:22AM -0700, Paul 'Baloo' Johnson wrote:
 On Mon, 15 Apr 2002, Tim Dijkstra wrote:
 
  Just curious (I'm not really into file systems): Why should I want
  ext3 instead of ext2? Is it speed, stability?
 
 A little of both.

I thought ext3 might be a little bit slower especially under heavy
load.  It has got extra work to do.  But I may be wrong...

Another by product of ext3 is that you will have less disk space
available using ext3 than ext2 - also less than reiserfs.


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Re: upgrade to ext3 ?

2002-04-15 Thread Tim Dijkstra
On Mon, 15 Apr 2002 11:15:38 +0200
Johann Spies [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Mon, Apr 15, 2002 at 02:06:22AM -0700, Paul 'Baloo' Johnson wrote:
  On Mon, 15 Apr 2002, Tim Dijkstra wrote:
  
   Just curious (I'm not really into file systems): Why should I want
   ext3 instead of ext2? Is it speed, stability?
  
  A little of both.
 
 I thought ext3 might be a little bit slower especially under heavy
 load.  It has got extra work to do.  But I may be wrong...
 
 Another by product of ext3 is that you will have less disk space
 available using ext3 than ext2 - also less than reiserfs.
 
Let I put the question differently: Is it recommended for me to upgrade the 
file systems on my desktop and 'small' server to ext3 or should I stick with 
ext2. Or is this really a depends-can't say-see for yourself question?

Tim


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Re: upgrade to ext3 ?

2002-04-15 Thread Danie Roux
On Mon, Apr 15, 2002 at 01:26:49PM +0200, Tim Dijkstra wrote:
 Let I put the question differently: Is it recommended for me to
 upgrade the file systems on my desktop and 'small' server to ext3 or
 should I stick with ext2. Or is this really a depends-can't say-see
 for yourself question?

Go for ext3. Very little trouble to set it up (1 command, 1 file change,
1 reboot). The advantage is that you severely limit the chance of data
corruption.

Ok, maybe you would need to install a new kernel as well (if yours
doesn't support ext3) :-)

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Re: upgrade to ext3 ?

2002-04-15 Thread Søren Boll Overgaard
On Mon, Apr 15, 2002 at 01:26:49PM +0200, Tim Dijkstra wrote:

 On Mon, 15 Apr 2002 11:15:38 +0200 Johann Spies [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

  On Mon, Apr 15, 2002 at 02:06:22AM -0700, Paul 'Baloo' Johnson
  wrote:
 
   On Mon, 15 Apr 2002, Tim Dijkstra wrote:
  
Just curious (I'm not really into file systems): Why should I
want ext3 instead of ext2? Is it speed, stability?
  
   A little of both.
 
  I thought ext3 might be a little bit slower especially under heavy
  load.  It has got extra work to do.  But I may be wrong...
 
  Another by product of ext3 is that you will have less disk space
  available using ext3 than ext2 - also less than reiserfs.

 Let I put the question differently: Is it recommended for me to
 upgrade the file systems on my desktop and 'small' server to ext3 or
 should I stick with ext2. Or is this really a depends-can't say-see
 for yourself question?

I recently switched from ext2 to ext3, and I have had no negative side effects
whatsoever. I am using it on a workstation which gets rebooted a lot, so the
increased speed of fsck along with faster recovery in case of power-outs[1] is
definitely worth it, even if ext3 is slightly slower then ext2 (which I am not
even sure is the case).
This of course, should be taken with a grain of salt, since I no next to nothing
about the inner workings of ext2/ext3.

[1] Obviously my workstation isn't connect to a UPS.

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Re: upgrade to ext3 ?

2002-04-15 Thread csj
On Sun, 14 Apr 2002 17:39:34 -0700 (PDT)
Paul 'Baloo' Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Sun, 14 Apr 2002, Hall Stevenson wrote:
 
  Isn't the .journal file rather important ?? I thought it was some sort
  of record of your filesystem. What happens if you revert back to ext2,
  delete the .journal file, and then convert it to ext3 again ??
 
 You get the .journal again.  You have to unmount the filesystem to
 convert it without getting a .journal again.
 
 Yes, do *not* delete .journal if you like having a good filesystem.

I don't have a .journal. Where is the journal stored in a
dot-journal-less system?


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upgrade to ext3 ?

2002-04-14 Thread Lars Jensen
My woody system has the pre-compiled debian kernel-image 2.4.17-k7. 
Is support for ext3 compiled into this kernel? If so, is it correct
that all I do to upgrad is,

tune2fs -j /dev/...

and replace ext2 in /ect/fstab by ext3 ?

Thanks,
Lars.

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Re: upgrade to ext3 ?

2002-04-14 Thread David Wright


My woody system has the pre-compiled debian kernel-image 2.4.17-k7. 
Is support for ext3 compiled into this kernel?


I know it is compiled into 2.4.18-k7. To see for your kernel, look for 
the module: /lib/modules/2.4.17-k7/kernel/fs/ext3/ext3.o



If so, is it correct that all I do to upgrad is,

tune2fs -j /dev/...

and replace ext2 in /ect/fstab by ext3 ?


Yes.


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Re: upgrade to ext3 ?

2002-04-14 Thread Paul 'Baloo' Johnson
On Sun, 14 Apr 2002, David Wright wrote:

  My woody system has the pre-compiled debian kernel-image 2.4.17-k7.
  Is support for ext3 compiled into this kernel?

 I know it is compiled into 2.4.18-k7. To see for your kernel, look for
 the module: /lib/modules/2.4.17-k7/kernel/fs/ext3/ext3.o

I think ext3 *must* be compiled into the kernel, not as a module, if you
want / to be ext3

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Re: upgrade to ext3 ?

2002-04-14 Thread David Wright



I think ext3 *must* be compiled into the kernel, not as a module, if you
want / to be ext3


Oh, yes, this is certainly correct. (I never thought about this because 
I've never thought to use ext3 for /). And, based on my experience with 
the stock 2.4.18-k7, I would assume that none of the Debian stock 
kernels compile in ext3 support static-ly.




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Re: upgrade to ext3 ?

2002-04-14 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Sun, Apr 14, 2002, Lars Jensen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 My woody system has the pre-compiled debian kernel-image 2.4.17-k7. 
 Is support for ext3 compiled into this kernel? 

$ ls /lib/modules/kernel/kernel/fs/ext3.o

...if it's modular, else:

$ grep ext3 /proc/filesystems

...if it's built-in (or the module's already loaded).

 If so, is it correct that all I do to upgrad is,
 
 tune2fs -j /dev/...

Yep.

 and replace ext2 in /ect/fstab by ext3 ?

Or:

dev mountpoint ext3,ext2  options dump pass

...where the ext3,ext2 will allow mounting as either option, in that
order.  You can mount your partitions under an old kernel, needs be.

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Re: upgrade to ext3 ?

2002-04-14 Thread Matijs van Zuijlen
On Sun, Apr 14, 2002 at 02:53:48AM -0700, David Wright wrote:
 
 I think ext3 *must* be compiled into the kernel, not as a module, if you
 want / to be ext3
 
 Oh, yes, this is certainly correct. (I never thought about this because 
 I've never thought to use ext3 for /). And, based on my experience with 
 the stock 2.4.18-k7, I would assume that none of the Debian stock 
 kernels compile in ext3 support static-ly.

You can put it in an initrd as well. You just have to make sure it gets
loaded before ext2. I don't remember exactly how it's done, but you have
to list the module in one of mkinitrd's configfiles, IIRC.

[looks]

Yes, it's in /etc/mkinitrd/modules. It's comments are pretty clear.

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Re: upgrade to ext3 ?

2002-04-14 Thread Robin Putters
On Sun, 2002-04-14 at 11:38, Paul 'Baloo' Johnson wrote:
 On Sun, 14 Apr 2002, David Wright wrote:
 
   My woody system has the pre-compiled debian kernel-image 2.4.17-k7.
   Is support for ext3 compiled into this kernel?
 
  I know it is compiled into 2.4.18-k7. To see for your kernel, look for
  the module: /lib/modules/2.4.17-k7/kernel/fs/ext3/ext3.o
 
 I think ext3 *must* be compiled into the kernel, not as a module, if you
 want / to be ext3
 

That's incorrect. It works as a module as long as you place the module
on the initrd (like the stock debian 2.4.* kernels do).

Robin



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Re: upgrade to ext3 ?

2002-04-14 Thread traxlend
Here's a related question: when will those .journal files go away?
I have a RH7.2 system which was installed with ext3 and a Debian 
system which I upgraded to ext3. The RH7.2 has no .journal files,
but the Debian machine still has them, even after a few reboots.

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Re: upgrade to ext3 ?

2002-04-14 Thread Steve Juranich
  I know it is compiled into 2.4.18-k7. To see for your kernel, look for
  the module: /lib/modules/2.4.17-k7/kernel/fs/ext3/ext3.o

Actually, this is not true.  If using the *stock* 2.4.18-k7 image, it relies 
on an initrd.img (i.e., and initial ramdisk image).  I'm not entirely clear 
about what this does, but apparently it's a kind of pre-picture of what your 
kernel is going to look like after it's loaded.  You will *definitely* not 
want to take my word for what the initial ramdisk image does, but these things 
I can state for certain:

1) My / partition is ext3.
2) The ext3 support in my kernel is MODULAR.
Evidence:
coffee (boot)$ grep EXT3 config-2.4.18-k7 
CONFIG_EXT3_FS=m
and
% lsmod | grep ext
ext3   57248   1  (autoclean)
jbd35640   1  (autoclean) [ext3]
3) My / partition is getting mounted as ext3:
Evidence:
coffee (boot)$ mount
/dev/hda2 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
proc on /proc type proc (rw)
devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620)
/dev/hda1 on /windows type ntfs (ro,noexec,nosuid,nodev)

So if you want to just load the 2.4.18-k7 kernel image and run 'modconf', you 
should be fine.

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Re: upgrade to ext3 ?

2002-04-14 Thread Lars Jensen
Robin,

How do I  place the module on the initrd?

Thanks,
Lars.

On 14 Apr 2002, Robin Putters wrote:

 On Sun, 2002-04-14 at 11:38, Paul 'Baloo' Johnson wrote:
  On Sun, 14 Apr 2002, David Wright wrote:
  
My woody system has the pre-compiled debian kernel-image 2.4.17-k7.
Is support for ext3 compiled into this kernel?
  
   I know it is compiled into 2.4.18-k7. To see for your kernel, look for
   the module: /lib/modules/2.4.17-k7/kernel/fs/ext3/ext3.o
  
  I think ext3 *must* be compiled into the kernel, not as a module, if you
  want / to be ext3
  
 
 That's incorrect. It works as a module as long as you place the module
 on the initrd (like the stock debian 2.4.* kernels do).
 
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Re: upgrade to ext3 ?

2002-04-14 Thread Shawn McMahon
begin  [EMAIL PROTECTED] quotation:
 Here's a related question: when will those .journal files go away?
 I have a RH7.2 system which was installed with ext3 and a Debian 
 system which I upgraded to ext3. The RH7.2 has no .journal files,
 but the Debian machine still has them, even after a few reboots.

That's why; if you create a new filesystem as ext3 from the start, the
.journal file is not visible.  Or, if you convert an unmounted
filesystem, it will also not be visible.

If you convert a mounted filesystem, it is.

If you want it to go away, back up the data, blow away the filesystem,
and recreate it as ext3.  Or, mount it as ext2, blow away the .journal
file, umount it, and convert it.


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Re: upgrade to ext3 ?

2002-04-14 Thread Paul 'Baloo' Johnson
On Sun, 14 Apr 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Here's a related question: when will those .journal files go away?
 I have a RH7.2 system which was installed with ext3 and a Debian
 system which I upgraded to ext3. The RH7.2 has no .journal files,
 but the Debian machine still has them, even after a few reboots.

Not sure what strange trickery RH7.2 did to do that, but the .journal
files won't go away unless you reinstall fresh on an ext3 filesystem to
begin with.

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Re: upgrade to ext3 ?

2002-04-14 Thread Hall Stevenson
* Paul 'Baloo' Johnson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [020414 20:27]:
 On Sun, 14 Apr 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Here's a related question: when will those .journal files go away?
  I have a RH7.2 system which was installed with ext3 and a Debian
  system which I upgraded to ext3. The RH7.2 has no .journal files,
  but the Debian machine still has them, even after a few reboots.

 Not sure what strange trickery RH7.2 did to do that, but the .journal
 files won't go away unless you reinstall fresh on an ext3 filesystem
 to begin with.

Isn't the .journal file rather important ?? I thought it was some sort
of record of your filesystem. What happens if you revert back to ext2,
delete the .journal file, and then convert it to ext3 again ??

Hall


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Re: upgrade to ext3 ?

2002-04-14 Thread Paul 'Baloo' Johnson
On Sun, 14 Apr 2002, Hall Stevenson wrote:

 Isn't the .journal file rather important ?? I thought it was some sort
 of record of your filesystem. What happens if you revert back to ext2,
 delete the .journal file, and then convert it to ext3 again ??

You get the .journal again.  You have to unmount the filesystem to
convert it without getting a .journal again.

Yes, do *not* delete .journal if you like having a good filesystem.

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Re: upgrade to ext3 ?

2002-04-14 Thread marshal
 Shawn == Shawn McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Shawn If you want it to go away, back up the data, blow away the
Shawn filesystem, and recreate it as ext3.  Or, mount it as ext2,
Shawn blow away the .journal file, umount it, and convert it.

In a semi-related question, is there a way to change the / partition
to ext3 and keep the .journal file hidden?  Without booting from a
book disk, since I don't have a bootable disk drive, nor a CD burner.
(Running a Mac PowerBook.)

Or is that not even recommended?

Marshal


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Re: upgrade to ext3 ?

2002-04-14 Thread Shawn McMahon
begin  [EMAIL PROTECTED] quotation:
 
 In a semi-related question, is there a way to change the / partition
 to ext3 and keep the .journal file hidden?  Without booting from a
 book disk, since I don't have a bootable disk drive, nor a CD burner.
 (Running a Mac PowerBook.)

To the best of my knowledge, there is no way to unmount the root
filesystem on a running system, without rebooting with a different root
filesystem.

If you have a partition you don't mind doing without, you could install
Linux on it and boot it, but otherwise, I'd suggest getting a USB floppy
from a friend.


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Re: upgrade to ext3 ?

2002-04-14 Thread Richard Cobbe
Lo, on Sunday, April 14, Lars Jensen did write:

 Robin,
 
 How do I  place the module on the initrd?

On woody, at least, make sure it's listed in /etc/mkinitrd/modules.

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Re: upgrade to ext3 ?

2002-04-14 Thread Paul 'Baloo' Johnson
On 15 Apr 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 In a semi-related question, is there a way to change the / partition
 to ext3 and keep the .journal file hidden?  Without booting from a
 book disk, since I don't have a bootable disk drive, nor a CD burner.
 (Running a Mac PowerBook.)

Files whose name starts with . are hidden...

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