Re: using RHL 7's rpm in debian 2.2r2
Joey Hess wrote: > Johann Spies wrote: > > Two complications: 1. Potato's alien would not translate RHL 7's rpm's > > to debian. You need one from woody and that will require libc6 2.2 as > > far as I know. > > No version of rpm in debian can handle red hat 7 rpms. Updates to a > version of rpm that can are stalled until we get db3 into debian. > > Of course you can always install alien (and alien-extra) onto a red hat > 7 box and do the conversion there.. > > > 2. Your dependencies may create a lot of problems. > > You may try alien for smaller packages which are not available in > > Debian, but I would not try it with something like XF 4.0.1. > > Me neither. To quote myself in the man page: > >Alien should not be used to replace important system pack- >ages, like init, libc, or other things that are essential >for the functioning of your system. Many of these packages >are set up differently by the different distributions, and >packages from the different distributions cannot be used >interchangeably. In general, if you can't remove a package >without breaking your system, don't try to replace it with >an alien version. > > > You would be better off by using apt-get source and get sources from > > testing or unstable, compiling them to debian packages and install > > them on potato if you want to use newer versions. > > I belive that x4 debs are available backported to stable, though I don't have > an apt source offhand. people.d.o/~cpbotha/ Regards, Joey -- The good thing about standards is that there are so many to choose from. -- Andrew S. Tanenbaum
Re: using RHL 7's rpm in debian 2.2r2
Johann Spies wrote: > Two complications: 1. Potato's alien would not translate RHL 7's rpm's > to debian. You need one from woody and that will require libc6 2.2 as > far as I know. No version of rpm in debian can handle red hat 7 rpms. Updates to a version of rpm that can are stalled until we get db3 into debian. Of course you can always install alien (and alien-extra) onto a red hat 7 box and do the conversion there.. > 2. Your dependencies may create a lot of problems. > You may try alien for smaller packages which are not available in > Debian, but I would not try it with something like XF 4.0.1. Me neither. To quote myself in the man page: Alien should not be used to replace important system pack- ages, like init, libc, or other things that are essential for the functioning of your system. Many of these packages are set up differently by the different distributions, and packages from the different distributions cannot be used interchangeably. In general, if you can't remove a package without breaking your system, don't try to replace it with an alien version. > You would be better off by using apt-get source and get sources from > testing or unstable, compiling them to debian packages and install > them on potato if you want to use newer versions. I belive that x4 debs are available backported to stable, though I don't have an apt source offhand. -- see shy jo
Re: using RHL 7's rpm in debian 2.2r2
On Fri, Mar 02, 2001 at 12:48:33AM +0530, Ankit Jain wrote: > I have been a longtime user of RedHat and installed Debian 2.2r2 > today. I have a few queries- > 1. I have a dial-up connection so its not possible for me to d/l > huge binaries. I have the RHL 7 cd, n it has XFree86 4.0.1.rpm, can > i use this 2 install Xf 4.0.1 on my debian box ? Two complications: 1. Potato's alien would not translate RHL 7's rpm's to debian. You need one from woody and that will require libc6 2.2 as far as I know. 2. Your dependencies may create a lot of problems. You may try alien for smaller packages which are not available in Debian, but I would not try it with something like XF 4.0.1. You would be better off by using apt-get source and get sources from testing or unstable, compiling them to debian packages and install them on potato if you want to use newer versions. Regards. Johann -- J.H. Spies - Tel. 082 782 0336. Posbus 4668, Tygervallei 7536 "The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want. He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters, he restoreth my soul...Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life; and I will dwell in the house of the LORD for ever."Psalms 23:1,2,6
Re: using RHL 7's rpm in debian 2.2r2
On Fri, Mar 02, 2001 at 01:10:35AM +0530, Ankit Jain wrote: | If i use src.tgz files to install somethin, say licq, then the 'database of | s/w installed' will not have ne details on 'licq' .. right? Is there any way | i can 'inform' the 'database' of existence of 'licq' or is it fine the way | it is? You can inform the database by installing a .deb package. The system is fine (assuming it compiled properly, and isn't horridly buggy), but the package database won't know it exists and won't know what it depends on, and won't know what files belong to it, etc. It's a maintenance decision. The debian package system makes system maintenace much easier by keeping track of the packages you have. If licq needs, say, Qt (I don't know, I don't use it) and you installed it from the tarball, dpkg won't stop you from happily removing Qt. However, licq won't work any more. If you install from anything other than properly made .deb packages, it becomes your responsibility to keep track of files and dependencies. I would recommend sticking with .deb packages, and finding some way to acquire them. Perhaps you can wait until the next stable release, then get CDs from somewhere? Maybe you can access a computer with a faster/cheaper net connection and use some removable media to transfer the new packages? -D
Re: using RHL 7's rpm in debian 2.2r2
well... since debian doesn't USE rpms... using rpms via conversion with alien is only for last resort. you'd be much better of with debs or source or binaries. -- Forrest English http://truffula.net "When we have nothing left to give There will be no reason for us to live But when we have nothing left to lose You will have nothing left to use" -Fugazi On Fri, 2 Mar 2001, Ankit Jain wrote: > Is 'no to rpms' a general rule i shud follow or is it just with 'some' > packages? > > -anks > - Original Message - > From: "Forrest English" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Ankit Jain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: > Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 12:57 AM > Subject: Re: using RHL 7's rpm in debian 2.2r2 > > > > no to the rpm of xfree. i mean, i suppose you technicaly could try it > > with alien... but in no way would i suggest it. > > > > kernels are kernels. as long as you have the libs to compile them. > > > > -- > > Forrest English > > http://truffula.net > > > > "When we have nothing left to give > > There will be no reason for us to live > > But when we have nothing left to lose > > You will have nothing left to use" > > -Fugazi > > > >
Re: using RHL 7's rpm in debian 2.2r2
If i use src.tgz files to install somethin, say licq, then the 'database of s/w installed' will not have ne details on 'licq' .. right? Is there any way i can 'inform' the 'database' of existence of 'licq' or is it fine the way it is? -anks
Re: using RHL 7's rpm in debian 2.2r2
Ankit Jain wrote: > Is 'no to rpms' a general rule i shud follow or is it just with 'some' > packages? It is not a rule, but if you want to keep your system oand config files in good shape, it is better to use the deb packages as they provide the right dependencies for packages to follow. You still can install them with alien, but it is not advised because some information needed by dpkg is not provided and will leave the database of the software installed not in the best shape ... If you don care about the system being in a good state, just do what ever you want, install rpm, tar.gz - but you leave the system in inconsistent shape. kernel for example should be build with make-kpkg (provided by kernel-package) You should at least convert the rpm with alien to a deb (I think that is what it does :)) Ciao, mattHias -- __ _ __ * /\_/\ \ \_/ \_/ / * Matthias Wieser * / \ \ /* ICQ#: 12597522 * / /\_/\ \ \_/^\_/ *[EMAIL PROTECTED] * WW WW *
Re: using RHL 7's rpm in debian 2.2r2
Is 'no to rpms' a general rule i shud follow or is it just with 'some' packages? -anks - Original Message - From: "Forrest English" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Ankit Jain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 12:57 AM Subject: Re: using RHL 7's rpm in debian 2.2r2 > no to the rpm of xfree. i mean, i suppose you technicaly could try it > with alien... but in no way would i suggest it. > > kernels are kernels. as long as you have the libs to compile them. > > -- > Forrest English > http://truffula.net > > "When we have nothing left to give > There will be no reason for us to live > But when we have nothing left to lose > You will have nothing left to use" > -Fugazi >
Re: using RHL 7's rpm in debian 2.2r2
no to the rpm of xfree. i mean, i suppose you technicaly could try it with alien... but in no way would i suggest it. kernels are kernels. as long as you have the libs to compile them. -- Forrest English http://truffula.net "When we have nothing left to give There will be no reason for us to live But when we have nothing left to lose You will have nothing left to use" -Fugazi On Fri, 2 Mar 2001, Ankit Jain wrote: > Hi all, > I have been a longtime user of RedHat and installed Debian 2.2r2 today. I > have a few queries- > > 1. I have a dial-up connection so its not possible for me to d/l huge > binaries. I have the RHL 7 cd, n it has XFree86 4.0.1.rpm, can i use this 2 > install Xf 4.0.1 on my debian box ? > > 2. I have a sources for kernel 2.4.2, can i safely compile them on debian? > > thanx > -Ankit > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
using RHL 7's rpm in debian 2.2r2
Hi all, I have been a longtime user of RedHat and installed Debian 2.2r2 today. I have a few queries- 1. I have a dial-up connection so its not possible for me to d/l huge binaries. I have the RHL 7 cd, n it has XFree86 4.0.1.rpm, can i use this 2 install Xf 4.0.1 on my debian box ? 2. I have a sources for kernel 2.4.2, can i safely compile them on debian? thanx -Ankit
