Re: window manager recomendation
on Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 03:51:10AM +0200, Micha Feigin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Hello, Hoping this won't turn into a flame war, I am looking for recommendations for a window manager. I tried quiet a few but none seem to fit the bill yet. I need a window manager with the following - As lite as possible on memory (I heavily stress my laptop so I don't have much to spare). Outside of GNOME and KDE themselves, pretty much any WM should fit your bill. Fluxbox, Blackbox, WindowMaker, fvwm, icewm, and twm in particular are light and are/were designed for low-end hardware. For general information on window managers, I strongly recommend the Window Managers For X page: http://www.plig.org/xwinman/ - Multiple desktops All of the above, excepting twm. Pretty much *any* WM gives you this capability. - A pop up menu application (don't need a panel) that has support for both the debian menus and a custom menu. Again: pretty much any WM has this capability. The Debian menu system is independent of WM and allows for user customization. In my case, I use WindowMaker, have replaced the default root menu with one of my own choosing, but have a hook back into the system Debian menus as well. - Hotkeys (mainly for maximize/minimize/desktop switch) Again: pretty much any WM has this capability. WindowMaker's hotkey configuration is IMO particularly clean. - multiple desktops Again: Again: Multiple multiple desktops desktops? ...or is it that you just really want this feature? ;-) Peace. -- Karsten M. Self [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What Part of Gestalt don't you understand? Windows Refund Day II: fight for your right to refund http://www.windowsrefund.net/ pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: window manager recomendation
On Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 03:32:38PM -0500, Bill Marcum wrote: Some other small window managers are aewm, aewm++ and flwm. (What is Installed-Size anyway?) It is a field for the debian package, representing disk space used when the package is unpacked. It provides a rough idea of how much memory the program will use, too - although it isn't a good idea to rely on it for anything important. (it isn't accurate at all) -- Jon Dowland http://jon.dowland.name/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: window manager recomendation
On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 11:41:44AM +, Jonathan Dowland wrote: On Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 03:32:38PM -0500, Bill Marcum wrote: Some other small window managers are aewm, aewm++ and flwm. (What is Installed-Size anyway?) It is a field for the debian package, representing disk space used when the package is unpacked. It provides a rough idea of how much memory the program will use, too - although it isn't a good idea to rely on it for anything important. (it isn't accurate at all) Does binary size really indicate how much memory will be used? It's easy for a tiny program to allocate gobs of memory. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: window manager recomendation
Quoting Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 11:41:44AM +, Jonathan Dowland wrote: On Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 03:32:38PM -0500, Bill Marcum wrote: Some other small window managers are aewm, aewm++ and flwm. (What is Installed-Size anyway?) It is a field for the debian package, representing disk space used when the package is unpacked. It provides a rough idea of how much memory the program will use, too - although it isn't a good idea to rely on it for anything important. (it isn't accurate at all) Does binary size really indicate how much memory will be used? It's easy for a tiny program to allocate gobs of memory. Its not a very good indication, but in context it can imply how complex a program is and give an extimate of order of magnitued. It does have to be taken in context though with respect to what the program does. For window managers size is usually also related to graphical complexity and thus give some rough estimate, although you need to take into account the toolkit used and thus external libraries, dependencies. Also as an example take fvwm which can be started up with vector buttons and minimal decorations and take very little memory or with pixmaps all over and all sorts of plugins and probably be the usuall memory hog (Allthough I guess not nearly as close as kde and gnome ;-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: window manager recomendation
On Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 07:08:44PM +, Jonathan Dowland wrote: Icewm is lovely and a bit friendlier than pwm, but not the leanest by a bit. Here's some sizes for reference: Package: pwm Installed-Size: 336 Package: icewm Installed-Size: 1131 Package: iceme Installed-Size: 296 Package: icewm-themes Installed-Size: 15380 Package: ion Installed-Size: 348 Package: wmaker Installed-Size: 5400 Some other small window managers are aewm, aewm++ and flwm. (What is Installed-Size anyway?) -- I knew I'd hate COBOL the moment I saw they'd used perform instead of do. -- Larry Wall on a not-so-popular programming language -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: window manager recomendation
Bill Marcum wrote: On Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 07:08:44PM +, Jonathan Dowland wrote: Icewm is lovely and a bit friendlier than pwm, but not the leanest by a bit. Here's some sizes for reference: Package: pwm Installed-Size: 336 Package: icewm Installed-Size: 1131 Package: iceme Installed-Size: 296 Package: icewm-themes Installed-Size: 15380 Package: ion Installed-Size: 348 Package: wmaker Installed-Size: 5400 Some other small window managers are aewm, aewm++ and flwm. (What is Installed-Size anyway?) For those eventually interested here is another one. I havent tested it, yet, but it has something in favor -his modularity . Here are the first lines describing it : XFce is a lightweight desktop environment for unix-like operating systems. It aims to be fast and lightweight, while still being visually appealing and easy to use. XFce 4 is a complete rewrite of the previous version. It's based on the GTK+ toolkit version 2. http://www.xfce.org/en/overview.html John -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: window manager recomendation
On Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 03:51:10AM +0200, Micha Feigin wrote: Hello, Hoping this won't turn into a flame war, I am looking for recommendations for a window manager. I tried quiet a few but none seem to fit the bill yet. I need a window manager with the following - As lite as possible on memory (I heavily stress my laptop so I don't have much to spare). - Multiple desktops - A pop up menu application (don't need a panel) that has support for both the debian menus and a custom menu. - Hotkeys (mainly for maximize/minimize/desktop switch) - multiple desktops PWM, or ION (pwm, ion, ion-devel packages) -- Jon Dowland http://jon.dowland.name/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: window manager recomendation
On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 06:08:32PM -0400, eCLe wrote: On Wed, 2003-11-12 at 21:51, Micha Feigin wrote: I need a window manager with the following - As lite as possible on memory (I heavily stress my laptop so I don't have much to spare). WindowMaker http://www.windowmaker.org taste it Certainly doesn't satisfy that criteria :-) -- Jon Dowland http://jon.dowland.name/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: window manager recomendation
On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 08:34:19 + Jonathan Dowland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 03:51:10AM +0200, Micha Feigin wrote: Hello, Hoping this won't turn into a flame war, I am looking for recommendations for a window manager. I tried quiet a few but none seem to fit the bill yet. I need a window manager with the following - As lite as possible on memory (I heavily stress my laptop so I don't have much to spare). - Multiple desktops - A pop up menu application (don't need a panel) that has support for both the debian menus and a custom menu. - Hotkeys (mainly for maximize/minimize/desktop switch) - multiple desktops PWM, or ION (pwm, ion, ion-devel packages) As I suggested before, Icewm. Apt-get update Apt-get install icewm-themes iceme icepref Will give you so much configurability with next to no drive space taken up. That's if you need the fastest leanest window manager around. Windowmaker is good too. If you want a desktop environment instead, XFce3 or XFce4, but they're heavier on resources. Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: window manager recomendation
On Thu, 2003-11-13 at 07:44, Marc Wilson wrote: On Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 01:58:46PM +0900, Nick Hastings wrote: This WM was mentioned by a poster on this list a month or so ago. At the time I was using sawfish, but was getting sick of the bloat and considering switching back to fvwm. I'm _so_ glad I tried openbox3. I have it set up to do all the things you wanted except use the Debian menus. I've not tried. There's a menu-method running around that'll give it access to the Debian menu system. It's not perfect, it has no ability to deal with menu entries with ampersands in them (which XML requires you to escape), but other than that, it does the job. I attach it here, because it's only a few lines. This creates the menu file fine but openbox still seems very very intent on not displaying this menu. I also tried removing the default one or putting it in .config/openbox/menu.xml but all I got was no menu at all. I even tried removing everything but one entry and putting the same xml header from the default menu but nothing seems to work. Is there some trick to this that I am missing? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: window manager recomendation
On Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 06:15:29PM +0800, David Palmer. wrote: On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 08:34:19 + Jonathan Dowland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PWM, or ION (pwm, ion, ion-devel packages) As I suggested before, Icewm. If I reply with, 'As I suggested before, PWM.', when will it stop? :P Icewm is lovely and a bit friendlier than pwm, but not the leanest by a bit. Here's some sizes for reference: Package: pwm Installed-Size: 336 Package: icewm Installed-Size: 1131 Package: iceme Installed-Size: 296 Package: icewm-themes Installed-Size: 15380 Package: ion Installed-Size: 348 Package: wmaker Installed-Size: 5400 -- Jon Dowland http://jon.dowland.name/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: window manager recomendation
On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 06:38:40PM -0800, Erik Steffl wrote: the default look kinda sucks though... it can be changed completely (take a lok at www.fvwm.org) There is a great article about window-manager choices, and fvwm advocacy at http://www.igs.net/~tril/fvwm/ -- Jon Dowland http://jon.dowland.name/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: window manager recomendation
On Thu, 2003-11-13 at 17:28, Micha Feigin wrote: On Thu, 2003-11-13 at 07:44, Marc Wilson wrote: On Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 01:58:46PM +0900, Nick Hastings wrote: This WM was mentioned by a poster on this list a month or so ago. At the time I was using sawfish, but was getting sick of the bloat and considering switching back to fvwm. I'm _so_ glad I tried openbox3. I have it set up to do all the things you wanted except use the Debian menus. I've not tried. There's a menu-method running around that'll give it access to the Debian menu system. It's not perfect, it has no ability to deal with menu entries with ampersands in them (which XML requires you to escape), but other than that, it does the job. I attach it here, because it's only a few lines. This creates the menu file fine but openbox still seems very very intent on not displaying this menu. I also tried removing the default one or putting it in .config/openbox/menu.xml but all I got was no menu at all. I even tried removing everything but one entry and putting the same xml header from the default menu but nothing seems to work. Is there some trick to this that I am missing? Solved this. Apperently in the default menu file there is a root menu entry. Any new menu needs to to have an entry there and without this root menu nothing shows up. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: window manager recomendation
On Thu, 2003-11-13 at 21:08, Jonathan Dowland wrote: On Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 06:15:29PM +0800, David Palmer. wrote: On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 08:34:19 + Jonathan Dowland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PWM, or ION (pwm, ion, ion-devel packages) As I suggested before, Icewm. If I reply with, 'As I suggested before, PWM.', when will it stop? :P Icewm is lovely and a bit friendlier than pwm, but not the leanest by a bit. Here's some sizes for reference: Package: pwm Installed-Size: 336 Package: icewm Installed-Size: 1131 Package: iceme Installed-Size: 296 Package: icewm-themes Installed-Size: 15380 Package: ion Installed-Size: 348 Package: wmaker Installed-Size: 5400 Thats some indication but what you should be looking at is the memory usage. Here eye candy can cause a lot more cost that what shows up in the package size. It also depends on the toolkit libraries used. -- Jon Dowland http://jon.dowland.name/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: window manager recomendation
On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 23:05:52 +0200 Micha Feigin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thats some indication but what you should be looking at is the memory usage. Here eye candy can cause a lot more cost that what shows up in the package size. It also depends on the toolkit libraries used. right now i've got pwm using 1.2% of 64meg, and there are no toolkit libs involved, unless you count X itself, hogging 24%. ben -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
window manager recomendation
Hello, Hoping this won't turn into a flame war, I am looking for recommendations for a window manager. I tried quiet a few but none seem to fit the bill yet. I need a window manager with the following - As lite as possible on memory (I heavily stress my laptop so I don't have much to spare). - Multiple desktops - A pop up menu application (don't need a panel) that has support for both the debian menus and a custom menu. - Hotkeys (mainly for maximize/minimize/desktop switch) - multiple desktops I tried metacity but it didn't seem to have a menu (probably depends on gnome which is too memory intensive). I mostly use flwm now (After I hacked it to add a maximize button and fix the hotkeys). It is just about what I need. The two problems I have with it is that it occasionally crashes on me and the hotkeys are sometimes grabbed by the applications before the window manager (mostly mozilla-firebird), and I don't have the time to debug it now. Thanx. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: window manager recomendation
On Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 03:51:10AM +0200, Micha Feigin wrote: Hoping this won't turn into a flame war, I am looking for recommendations for a window manager. I tried quiet a few but none seem to fit the bill yet. I need a window manager with the following - As lite as possible on memory (I heavily stress my laptop so I don't have much to spare). - Multiple desktops - A pop up menu application (don't need a panel) that has support for both the debian menus and a custom menu. - Hotkeys (mainly for maximize/minimize/desktop switch) - multiple desktops Blackbox, Openbox, or Fluxbox will do all of the above, I use Blackbox. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: window manager recomendation
Micha Feigin wrote: Hello, Hoping this won't turn into a flame war, I am looking for recommendations for a window manager. I tried quiet a few but none seem to fit the bill yet. I need a window manager with the following - As lite as possible on memory (I heavily stress my laptop so I don't have much to spare). - Multiple desktops - A pop up menu application (don't need a panel) that has support for both the debian menus and a custom menu. - Hotkeys (mainly for maximize/minimize/desktop switch) - multiple desktops I tried metacity but it didn't seem to have a menu (probably depends on gnome which is too memory intensive). I mostly use flwm now (After I hacked it to add a maximize button and fix the hotkeys). It is just about what I need. The two problems I have with it is that it occasionally crashes on me and the hotkeys are sometimes grabbed by the applications before the window manager (mostly mozilla-firebird), and I don't have the time to debug it now. Thanx. WindowMaker all the way. I especially like how the Debian packaged version handles menus through /usr/lib/menu, /etc/menu, and ~/.menu/ Very lightweight and snappy. -Roberto pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: window manager recomendation
Micha Feigin wrote: Hello, Hoping this won't turn into a flame war, I am looking for recommendations for a window manager. I tried quiet a few but none seem to fit the bill yet. I need a window manager with the following - As lite as possible on memory (I heavily stress my laptop so I don't have much to spare). - Multiple desktops - A pop up menu application (don't need a panel) that has support for both the debian menus and a custom menu. - Hotkeys (mainly for maximize/minimize/desktop switch) - multiple desktops I like fvwm, it is fairly lightweigth (lot of stuff is in modules so if you don't need it just don't use it), not easy to configure (text files, but simple config is fairly simple), it has very good virtual screen support (you can drag windows from pager to current screen, move windows in pager, switch to different screens by moving mouse (if you want), by hotkeys or clicking on appropriate screen in pager, drag windows from one screen to another etc.), you can have keys for pretty much everything. You can have a panel or pop-up menu, your choice (and if you don't use panel it does not use any memory since it'sa module). Default debian config has menus (click root menu with each mouse button), you can easily change them and/or create your own menus and display them using either hotkeys or some mouse action etc. You can also define all the window decorations and what they do - how to minimize/maximize/iconify window, how to move resize window, how to lower/raise window etc. (e.g. I generally use no borders and resize windows by right clicking the title) the default look kinda sucks though... it can be changed completely (take a lok at www.fvwm.org) erik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 03:51:10 +0200 Micha Feigin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Hoping this won't turn into a flame war, I am looking for recommendations for a window manager. I tried quiet a few but none seem to fit the bill yet. I need a window manager with the following - As lite as possible on memory (I heavily stress my laptop so I don't have much to spare). - Multiple desktops - A pop up menu application (don't need a panel) that has support for both the debian menus and a custom menu. - Hotkeys (mainly for maximize/minimize/desktop switch) - multiple desktops I tried metacity but it didn't seem to have a menu (probably depends on gnome which is too memory intensive). I mostly use flwm now (After I hacked it to add a maximize button and fix the hotkeys). It is just about what I need. The two problems I have with it is that it occasionally crashes on me and the hotkeys are sometimes grabbed by the applications before the window manager (mostly mozilla-firebird), and I don't have the time to debug it now. Thanx. Icewm. Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 13 November 2003 03:18, Jamin W. Collins wrote: On Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 03:51:10AM +0200, Micha Feigin wrote: Hoping this won't turn into a flame war, I am looking for recommendations for a window manager. Blackbox, Openbox, or Fluxbox will do all of the above, I use Blackbox. All the *box WMs are fairly similar. If you are new to them, I suggest Fluxbox, as it handles keystroke shortcuts by itself. As far as I know, at least Blackbox uses a keyboard handler application for that, which you would need to set up. There are themes available for all of them. But I don't know if that is still correct. I use Fluxbox a lot. IceWM, which David suggests, is also very slim. It has a menu button in the taskbar, very similar to the infamous M$ Windows, but some people like that feature nevertheless. Regards, - - Burkhard - -- GNU/Linux in education book project: http://book.schoolforge.net Public key available here: http://blackhole.pca.dfn.de:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0xFD82303B key FP 0A65 5E83 F44F 47A5 3DFC 19C5 7779 E411 FD82 303B -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/swSUd3nkEf2CMDsRAs+qAKCxwH/euZ8FAiTVhmq+jA/xjWLZoACdFYgt K0Z6KV1lxbeuFkYJ6CezbaU= =lkaA -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: window manager recomendation
Hi, * Burkhard Woelfel [EMAIL PROTECTED] [031113 13:14]: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 13 November 2003 03:18, Jamin W. Collins wrote: On Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 03:51:10AM +0200, Micha Feigin wrote: Hoping this won't turn into a flame war, I am looking for recommendations for a window manager. Blackbox, Openbox, or Fluxbox will do all of the above, I use Blackbox. All the *box WMs are fairly similar. If you are new to them, I suggest Fluxbox, as it handles keystroke shortcuts by itself. As far as I know, at least Blackbox uses a keyboard handler application for that, which you would need to set up. There are themes available for all of them. Openbox3 handles keybinding by itself. It is highly customisable and has great pack and grow window move and resize features. It is also possible to do basically everything with the keyboard. It is not in Debian yet, but .debs can be found at http://www.hetzi.at/thomas/debian. This WM was mentioned by a poster on this list a month or so ago. At the time I was using sawfish, but was getting sick of the bloat and considering switching back to fvwm. I'm _so_ glad I tried openbox3. I have it set up to do all the things you wanted except use the Debian menus. I've not tried. Anyway, HTH, Nick. -- Debian testing/unstable Linux twofish 2.6.0-test9-looxt93c1 i686 GNU/Linux signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: window manager recomendation
On Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 01:58:46PM +0900, Nick Hastings wrote:
This WM was mentioned by a poster on this list a month or so ago. At
the time I was using sawfish, but was getting sick of the bloat and
considering switching back to fvwm. I'm _so_ glad I tried openbox3.
I have it set up to do all the things you wanted except use the Debian
menus. I've not tried.
There's a menu-method running around that'll give it access to the Debian
menu system. It's not perfect, it has no ability to deal with menu entries
with ampersands in them (which XML requires you to escape), but other than
that, it does the job. I attach it here, because it's only a few lines.
--
Marc Wilson | In the next world, you're on your own.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] |
#!/usr/sbin/install-menu
#
# Generates openbox menus for all registered applications.
compat=menu-1
!include menu.h
genmenu=openbox-menu.xml
rootprefix=/etc/X11/openbox/
userprefix=.openbox/
treewalk=M)
#rootsection=/Debian
supported
x11=\
nstring(level(),) item label=\esc($title, )\\nnstring(level(),)
action name=\execute\executeesc($command,
)/execute/action\nnstring(level(),)/item\n
#wm=nstring(level(),) [restart] ( esc($title, ()) ) { esc($command,
()) }\n
text=\
nstring(level(),) item label=\esc($title, )\\nnstring(level(),)
action name=\execute\executex-terminal-emulator -T \ esc($title, ) \ -e
esc($command, )/execute/action\nnstring(level(),)/item\n
endsupported
preoutput= \
!--Automatically generated file. Do not edit (see
/usr/share/doc/menu/README)--\nopenbox_menu\nmenu id=\debian-menu\
label=\debian\\n
startmenu=
submenutitle= nstring(level(),) menu id=\esc($title, )\
label=\esc($title, )\\n
endmenu= nstring(level(),) /menu\n
postoutput=/openbox_menu\n
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Re: window manager recomendation
On Wed, 2003-11-12 at 21:51, Micha Feigin wrote: Hello, Hoping this won't turn into a flame war, I am looking for recommendations for a window manager. I tried quiet a few but none seem to fit the bill yet. I need a window manager with the following - As lite as possible on memory (I heavily stress my laptop so I don't have much to spare). - Multiple desktops - A pop up menu application (don't need a panel) that has support for both the debian menus and a custom menu. - Hotkeys (mainly for maximize/minimize/desktop switch) - multiple desktops I tried metacity but it didn't seem to have a menu (probably depends on gnome which is too memory intensive). I mostly use flwm now (After I hacked it to add a maximize button and fix the hotkeys). It is just about what I need. The two problems I have with it is that it occasionally crashes on me and the hotkeys are sometimes grabbed by the applications before the window manager (mostly mozilla-firebird), and I don't have the time to debug it now. Thanx. WindowMaker http://www.windowmaker.org taste it -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
