Re: x-www-browser doesn't change even after package delete, update-alternatives
Andrei POPESCU (12020-04-06): > Probably a case of competing standards. That, and a case of gambit pileup when software try to be smart, to out-smart the other software implementing the other standards to make them interact with their own, while the other software do exactly the same, and end up being very stupid. Regards, -- Nicolas George signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: x-www-browser doesn't change even after package delete, update-alternatives
On Lu, 06 apr 20, 09:46:50, Curt wrote: > On 2020-04-06, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > >> This is getting well beyond Debian, but why would GNU/Linux in general have > >> so many overlapping ways to register default applications? > > > > Probably a case of competing standards. > > Seems more like the distinction between a user-defined preference > (*Preferred Applications* button in the Xfce Settings Manager) and a > system-wide default (/etc/alternatives being designed for the case where > the user has failed to specify a particular preference among two or > more alternatives). That rclone would privilege the former over the > latter seems completely reasonable to me. The "/etc/alternatives" mechanism is Debian specific, there is little incentive for various upstreams to use it. As far as I know whatever "Preferred Applications" mechanism the DE is using is also not standardized, which doesn't help :( Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: x-www-browser doesn't change even after package delete, update-alternatives
On 2020-04-06, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > >> This is getting well beyond Debian, but why would GNU/Linux in general have >> so many overlapping ways to register default applications? > > Probably a case of competing standards. Seems more like the distinction between a user-defined preference (*Preferred Applications* button in the Xfce Settings Manager) and a system-wide default (/etc/alternatives being designed for the case where the user has failed to specify a particular preference among two or more alternatives). That rclone would privilege the former over the latter seems completely reasonable to me. > https://xkcd.com/927/ > > Kind regards, > Andrei > http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser >
Re: x-www-browser doesn't change even after package delete, update-alternatives
On Du, 05 apr 20, 16:20:42, Carl Fink wrote: > On Sun, Apr 05, 2020 at 11:03:07PM +0500, Alexander V. Makartsev wrote: > > > If I'm getting it right, you are using Xfce, so first place you should > > look at is "exo-preferred-applications" [1] applet. > > And that was it. Thank you. Now if only rclone actually did what I needed > > > This is getting well beyond Debian, but why would GNU/Linux in general have > so many overlapping ways to register default applications? Probably a case of competing standards. https://xkcd.com/927/ Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: x-www-browser doesn't change even after package delete, update-alternatives
On Sun, Apr 05, 2020 at 10:52:23AM -0500, David Wright wrote: > Is it worth running rclone config with -vv, and --log-file pointing > somewhere? The documentation suggests this will show what rclone is > trying to do. Not any more, since my ln -s trick worked. Thanks for the suggestions, though. -- Carl Fink c...@finknetwork.com https://reasonablyliterate.com https://nitpicking.com If you want to make a point, somebody will take the point and stab you with it. -Kenne Estes
Re: x-www-browser doesn't change even after package delete, update-alternatives
On Sun, Apr 05, 2020 at 11:03:07PM +0500, Alexander V. Makartsev wrote: > If I'm getting it right, you are using Xfce, so first place you should > look at is "exo-preferred-applications" [1] applet. And that was it. Thank you. Now if only rclone actually did what I needed This is getting well beyond Debian, but why would GNU/Linux in general have so many overlapping ways to register default applications? Should I report as a bug (in exo-preferred-applications) that removing a package (firefox-esr) didn't remove it as the default? -- Carl Fink c...@finknetwork.com https://reasonablyliterate.com https://nitpicking.com If you want to make a point, somebody will take the point and stab you with it. -Kenne Estes
Re: x-www-browser doesn't change even after package delete, update-alternatives
On 05.04.2020 18:53, Carl Fink wrote: > On 4/5/20 8:37 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: >> The output above shows epiphany-browser as being the current selection. > True. But not relevant. >> Maybe rclone is not using x-www-browser, but some other mechanism (or >> just hardcodes firefox). >> > I asked what other mechanism could be used in the original, at the > same time I quoted a message from rclone saying that it was trying to > run /usr/bin/firefox-esr, which is unlikely to be hardcoded. If I'm getting it right, you are using Xfce, so first place you should look at is "exo-preferred-applications" [1] applet. It probably points to a "/usr/bin/sensible-browser" wrapper script to find a default browser among several "alternatives" links. "x-www-browser" is not the only default link for a browser, so you should also check "alternatives" for "gnome-www-browser", "www-browser" configs. Also check if environment variable named "$BROWSER" is set. It is not required to be set, but some console programs could rely on it and this is the first thing "sensible-browser" script uses to find your default browser. Probably because of installation of a "unsupported" firefox package "alternatives" for a browser were not changed, so you will have to create additional options for "alternatives" configs, so links would point to a right browser. Check out man page for "update-alternatives" to find out how to create new options for existing configs and manually switch between them. [1] https://docs.xfce.org/xfce/exo/preferred-applications -- With kindest regards, Alexander. ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org ⠈⠳⣄
Re: x-www-browser doesn't change even after package delete, update-alternatives
On Sun 05 Apr 2020 at 09:53:13 (-0400), Carl Fink wrote: > On 4/5/20 8:37 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > The output above shows epiphany-browser as being the current > > selection. > True. But not relevant. > > Maybe rclone is not using x-www-browser, but some other mechanism (or > > just hardcodes firefox). > > > I asked what other mechanism could be used in the original, at the > same time I quoted a message from rclone saying that it was trying to > run /usr/bin/firefox-esr, which is unlikely to be hardcoded. Is it worth running rclone config with -vv, and --log-file pointing somewhere? The documentation suggests this will show what rclone is trying to do. Cheers, David.
Re: x-www-browser doesn't change even after package delete, update-alternatives
On 4/5/20 8:37 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: The output above shows epiphany-browser as being the current selection. True. But not relevant. Maybe rclone is not using x-www-browser, but some other mechanism (or just hardcodes firefox). I asked what other mechanism could be used in the original, at the same time I quoted a message from rclone saying that it was trying to run /usr/bin/firefox-esr, which is unlikely to be hardcoded. -- Carl Fink nitpick...@nitpicking.com Read my blog at blog.nitpicking.com. Reviews! Observations!
Re: x-www-browser doesn't change even after package delete, update-alternatives
On Du, 05 apr 20, 07:35:00, Carl Fink wrote: > On Sun, Apr 05, 2020 at 09:12:54AM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > > Please post the output of > > > > update-alternatives --config x-www-browser > > carlf@debian-NUCi5:~$ update-alternatives --config x-www-browser > There are 4 choices for the alternative x-www-browser (providing > /usr/bin/x-www-browser). > > SelectionPath Priority Status > > * 0/usr/bin/epiphany-browser 85auto mode > 1/usr/bin/chromium 40manual mode > 2/usr/bin/epiphany-browser 85manual mode > 3/usr/bin/firefox20manual mode > 4/usr/bin/surf 30manual mode > > Press to keep the current choice[*], or type selection number: > > > > Note that the current selection 3 was added after I posted (by manually > creating a .desktop file). And that doing that had no effect on how rclone > reacted--it still tried to launch a nonexistent firefox-esr. The output above shows epiphany-browser as being the current selection. Maybe rclone is not using x-www-browser, but some other mechanism (or just hardcodes firefox). Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: x-www-browser doesn't change even after package delete, update-alternatives
On Sun, Apr 05, 2020 at 09:12:54AM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Sb, 04 apr 20, 12:32:06, Carl Fink wrote: > > So, I removed firefox-esr and replaced it with stable firefox. I ran > > update-alternatives to point to firefox-esr. The current listing doesn't > > even include firefox-esr: > > This makes no sense to me, could you please rephrase? What browser do > you have installed right now? How did you install firefox-esr and > firefox? Right now, stable Firefox from mozilla.org binary. Previously, the firefox-esr package from Debian Stable, installed and removed using apt. > > root@debian-NUCi5:~# update-alternatives --list x-www-browser > > /usr/bin/chromium > > /usr/bin/epiphany-browser > > /usr/bin/firefox > > /usr/bin/surf > > Please post the output of > > update-alternatives --config x-www-browser carlf@debian-NUCi5:~$ update-alternatives --config x-www-browser There are 4 choices for the alternative x-www-browser (providing /usr/bin/x-www-browser). SelectionPath Priority Status * 0/usr/bin/epiphany-browser 85auto mode 1/usr/bin/chromium 40manual mode 2/usr/bin/epiphany-browser 85manual mode 3/usr/bin/firefox20manual mode 4/usr/bin/surf 30manual mode Press to keep the current choice[*], or type selection number: Note that the current selection 3 was added after I posted (by manually creating a .desktop file). And that doing that had no effect on how rclone reacted--it still tried to launch a nonexistent firefox-esr. I worked around the problem by making a symbolic link from /usr/bin/chromium to /usr/bin/firefox-esr (because I do all my organizational Google stuff, and only Google stuff, using Chromium, to keep organizational Google stuff separate from my personal things). (Then I found out that rclone, despite having the motto "rsync for cloud storage", doesn't actually do what rsync does, which was disappointing.) -- Carl Fink c...@finknetwork.com https://reasonablyliterate.com https://nitpicking.com If you want to make a point, somebody will take the point and stab you with it. -Kenne Estes
Re: x-www-browser doesn't change even after package delete, update-alternatives
On Sb, 04 apr 20, 12:32:06, Carl Fink wrote: > So, I removed firefox-esr and replaced it with stable firefox. I ran > update-alternatives to point to firefox-esr. The current listing doesn't > even include firefox-esr: This makes no sense to me, could you please rephrase? What browser do you have installed right now? How did you install firefox-esr and firefox? > root@debian-NUCi5:~# update-alternatives --list x-www-browser > /usr/bin/chromium > /usr/bin/epiphany-browser > /usr/bin/firefox > /usr/bin/surf Please post the output of update-alternatives --config x-www-browser Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser signature.asc Description: PGP signature
x-www-browser doesn't change even after package delete, update-alternatives
So, I removed firefox-esr and replaced it with stable firefox. I ran update-alternatives to point to firefox-esr. The current listing doesn't even include firefox-esr: root@debian-NUCi5:~# update-alternatives --list x-www-browser /usr/bin/chromium /usr/bin/epiphany-browser /usr/bin/firefox /usr/bin/surf When I run 'rclone config' this happens: Failed to execute default Web Browser. Failed to execute child process "/usr/bin/firefox-esr' (no such file or directory). Note that the incorrect punctuation is as shown in the GUI dialog that pops up. I click OK, and the text-mode rclone (why is the error GUI but the program itself in the terminal?) sits there saying "waiting for code ..." forever. Not a graceful way to handle the failure to log into Google, is it? If rclone isn't looking for the browser in the alternatives, where is it looking? Firefox-esr hasn't been on this system for weeks. I did try launching a fresh Xfce-terminal from the menu, but got the same error. Thanks in advance. -- Carl Fink c...@finknetwork.com https://reasonablyliterate.com https://nitpicking.com If you want to make a point, somebody will take the point and stab you with it. -Kenne Estes
