Re: xterm. Was Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails
On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 05:57:00PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: > On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 05:53:59PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: > > When linux was first written, the IBM PC was 15 years old. > > *10 > > I'm not sure if it's math or typing that's hard All three of them, actually ;-) Cheers -- t signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: xterm. Was Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails
On Sun 12 Jun 2022 at 13:06:40 (-0600), Charles Curley wrote: > On Sun, 12 Jun 2022 12:20:05 -0400 > gene heskett wrote: > > > Now, I really need a terminal for alt-ctl-F3 that does support the > > mouse. > > charles@hawk:~$ apt show gpm [ … ] > Description: General Purpose Mouse interface > This package provides a daemon that captures mouse events when the system > console is active, and delivers events to applications through a library. > . > By default, the daemon provides a 'selection' mode, so that > cut-and-paste with the mouse works on the console just as it does > under X. Sure, I always install gpm, and it might even be on my list because donkey's years ago you needed it for cut and paste on X, using the -R repeater mode. But cutting from a VC more or less forces you to paste to an intermediate file, which you can then copy into a graphical email client. To do that requires another VC for the paste, and all this complication is just so that the OP doesn't find out how to use a text terminal that I'm sure they're running as a matter of course. (Sure, you can keep a car in the garage and spend Sunday afternoons listening to the radio and waggling the steering wheel, but the idea is that you learn to drive.) I don't think someone who can barely remember Ctrl-Alt-F3 is going to do much inter-VC cut and pasting. Cheers, David.
Re: xterm. Was Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails
On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 05:53:59PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: When linux was first written, the IBM PC was 15 years old. *10 I'm not sure if it's math or typing that's hard
Re: xterm. Was Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails
On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 11:06:38AM -0400, gene heskett wrote: On 6/13/22 09:17, Michael Stone wrote: On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 08:19:02PM +0100, mick crane wrote: The clue though is as somebody said that disabling this new fangled EFI doesn't seem to do what Gene (or I ) thinks it does. new fangled? UEFI has been around longer than the PC BIOS was when linux was first written... If that is what they taught you in history, Michael, sue the the school. Bios has been around since the first IBM PC, or before. When linux was first written, the IBM PC was 15 years old. UEFI 2.0 (the form used in basically everything these days) was released in 2006, 16 years ago. QED, UEFI has been around longer now than the PC BIOS was when linux was introduced. You can push the antecedents of the PC BIOS a back a few years to CP/M in the mid 70s, but you can likewise trace EFI to its genesis in the itanium project in the late 90s. At any rate, UEFI makes a lot more sense for booting a modern system than does a compatibility layer trying to emulate a 50-year-old 16-bit microcomputer. UEFI was microsofts failed attempt to lock people into dos/windows about 20 years ago when unix/linux was beginning to eat their lunch. Please just stop the editorializing, especially when it isn't based in actual facts.
Re: xterm. Was Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails
On Monday, June 13, 2022 11:35:29 AM Greg Wooledge wrote: > Let's get some actual numbers in here. From wikipedia: > > IBM PC with proprietary BIOS introduced: 1981 > Linus Torvalds begins writing Linux: 1991 Efforts started toward EFI (predecessor in some sense of UEFI) -- see below: 1998 > Intel stops doing EFI and starts contributing to UEFI: 2005 > Current year: 2022 > > Number of years PC BIOS had been around when Linux started: 10 > Number of years UEFI has been around now: 17 > > I don't know how well those two numbers are supposed to indicate that > UEFI "isn't new-fangled", but there they are. Very interesting / helpful. I wanted to see when EFI (the predecessor to UEFI) came into the picture. In the Wikipedia article [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Extensible_Firmware_Interface#History] [Unified Extensible Firmware Interface]] I found: The original motivation for EFI came during early development of the first Intel–HP Itanium systems in the mid-1990s. BIOS limitations (such as 16-bit real mode, 1MB addressable memory space,[7] assembly language programming, and PC AT hardware) had become too restrictive for the larger server platforms Itanium was targeting.[8] The effort to address these concerns began in 1998 and was initially called Intel Boot Initiative.[9] It was later renamed to Extensible Firmware Interface (EFI).[10][11] So it looks like the effort towards that started in 1998. -- A picture, sketch, diagram, or chart is worth a thousand words -- divide by 10 for each minute of video (or audio) -- or, where feasible, create a transcript and edit it to 10% of the original! (Oxford comma included in this sig at no charge.)
Re: xterm. Was Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails
On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 11:06:38AM -0400, gene heskett wrote: > On 6/13/22 09:17, Michael Stone wrote: > > new fangled? UEFI has been around longer than the PC BIOS was when linux > > was first written... > If that is what they taught you in history, Michael, sue the the school. *sigh* Let's get some actual numbers in here. From wikipedia: IBM PC with proprietary BIOS introduced: 1981 Linus Torvalds begins writing Linux: 1991 Intel stops doing EFI and starts contributing to UEFI: 2005 Current year: 2022 Number of years PC BIOS had been around when Linux started: 10 Number of years UEFI has been around now: 17 I don't know how well those two numbers are supposed to indicate that UEFI "isn't new-fangled", but there they are.
Re: xterm. Was Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails
On 6/13/22 09:17, Michael Stone wrote: On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 08:19:02PM +0100, mick crane wrote: The clue though is as somebody said that disabling this new fangled EFI doesn't seem to do what Gene (or I ) thinks it does. new fangled? UEFI has been around longer than the PC BIOS was when linux was first written... If that is what they taught you in history, Michael, sue the the school. Bios has been around since the first IBM PC, or before. UEFI was microsofts failed attempt to lock people into dos/windows about 20 years ago when unix/linux was beginning to eat their lunch. So having twigged that I'd initially have the installer do its thing. Yes, most of his problems seem to stem from trying to do things his own way, often with a rationale that's simply incorrect. When someone tries to figure out what's wrong they're starting in a hole--first needing to reverse engineer the unrevealed set of actions that led to the mess in the first place. You forget that I have been fixing things with battery's or line cord's since long before you were born. I was fixing radio's for cig money a year after end of WW-II. WOI-TV out of Iowa State college, the first tv station in Iowa was still 2 years in the future. Microsofts attempt to impose UEFI on the industry is just one of the reasons there are no operating windows machines out of the 6 that run 24/7 here. 4 of them carve wood or metal, running code I wrote, the 5th runs a 3d printer to make things I design in OpenSCAD on this machine, and this one. And they all boot linux from the bios. The bios may have UEFI, but if it can't be turned off, they won't get ANY of my cash OR card numbers. Since it is my money, it is my choice, and its not open for discussion. You have been helpful on this list for a long time, and the fact that you and I don't see eye to eye does not prevent me from saying: take care, and stay well Michael. Cheers, Gene Heskett. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis
Re: xterm. Was Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails
On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 08:19:02PM +0100, mick crane wrote: The clue though is as somebody said that disabling this new fangled EFI doesn't seem to do what Gene (or I ) thinks it does. new fangled? UEFI has been around longer than the PC BIOS was when linux was first written... So having twigged that I'd initially have the installer do its thing. Yes, most of his problems seem to stem from trying to do things his own way, often with a rationale that's simply incorrect. When someone tries to figure out what's wrong they're starting in a hole--first needing to reverse engineer the unrevealed set of actions that led to the mess in the first place.
Re: xterm. Was Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails
On 2022-06-12 18:34, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: On Sunday 12 June 2022 12:54:19 pm mick crane wrote: As mentioned before, if it was me, I'd remove everything except the disk thing you want to boot with that has the OS on it and add and get things working one at a time afterwards. Were I running into these kinds of hassles, that would be my approach as well. The clue though is as somebody said that disabling this new fangled EFI doesn't seem to do what Gene (or I ) thinks it does. So having twigged that I'd initially have the installer do its thing. mick
Re: xterm. Was Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails
On Sun, 12 Jun 2022 12:20:05 -0400 gene heskett wrote: > Now, I really need a terminal for alt-ctl-F3 that does support the > mouse. charles@hawk:~$ apt show gpm Package: gpm Version: 1.20.7-8 Priority: optional Section: misc Maintainer: Axel Beckert Installed-Size: 553 kB Pre-Depends: init-system-helpers (>= 1.54~) Depends: lsb-base (>= 3.2-13), ucf, debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0, libc6 (>= 2.15), libgpm2 (>= 1.20.7) Homepage: https://nico.schottelius.org/software/gpm/ Tag: hardware::input, hardware::input:mouse, implemented-in::c, interface::daemon, interface::text-mode, network::server, role::program Download-Size: 200 kB APT-Manual-Installed: yes APT-Sources: http://deb.debian.org/debian bullseye/main amd64 Packages Description: General Purpose Mouse interface This package provides a daemon that captures mouse events when the system console is active, and delivers events to applications through a library. . By default, the daemon provides a 'selection' mode, so that cut-and-paste with the mouse works on the console just as it does under X. charles@hawk:~$ -- Does anybody read signatures any more? https://charlescurley.com https://charlescurley.com/blog/
Re: xterm. Was Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails
On Sun 12 Jun 2022 at 17:00:42 +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 12:20:05PM -0400, gene heskett wrote: > > > > On 6/12/22 10:01, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > > On Sunday, June 12, 2022 07:53:21 AM gene heskett wrote: > > > > What I do have is konsole and termit, no xterm. > > > For me, konsole does fine -- I can C from it with the mouse (and, > > > presumably, > > > keystrokes). > > Well, I gave up and did another 29t install, but in trying to leave out the > > dependecy hell of broken packages trying to install tde-trinity so I could > > get back to familiar, bug free services. but I had to install some gfx just > > to get x or wayland. > > > > Hi Gene, > > I _really_ don't know why I'm doing this ... Because you are kind, considerate and concerned? Me? I'm just along for the ride and, in the meantime, have installed Debian on another three machines. If *I* was on my 26th attempt I would be beginning to think of another approach. But the OP is the OP. Keeping at it will get nowhere. -- Brian.
Re: xterm. Was Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails
On Sunday 12 June 2022 12:54:19 pm mick crane wrote: > As mentioned before, if it was me, I'd remove everything except the disk > thing you want to boot with that has the OS on it and add and get things > working one at a time afterwards. Were I running into these kinds of hassles, that would be my approach as well. -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and ablest -- form of life in this section of space, a critter that can be killed but can't be tamed. --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters" - Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin
Re: xterm. Was Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails
On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 12:20:05PM -0400, gene heskett wrote: > > On 6/12/22 10:01, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Sunday, June 12, 2022 07:53:21 AM gene heskett wrote: > > > What I do have is konsole and termit, no xterm. > > For me, konsole does fine -- I can C from it with the mouse (and, > > presumably, > > keystrokes). > Well, I gave up and did another 29t install, but in trying to leave out the > dependecy hell of broken packages trying to install tde-trinity so I could > get back to familiar, bug free services. but I had to install some gfx just > to get x or wayland. > Hi Gene, I _really_ don't know why I'm doing this ... You've stripped out the other disks so now you have a minimal machine with one disk and your RAID. Disconnect all the leads other than keyboard/mouse, one printer. Go back to the step by step list: if you're blowing away the installation you have: 1. Set the firmware to use UEFI and use it - you'll only have to do it once. 2. Select the *expert* mode - even graphical expert will do for tthe install 3. Go carefully through the installer - there's an option to use the RAID without formatting it and losing all your work. 4. Set the single 1TB to be formatted, use LVM Mount the RAID where you want it to be by specifying the mount point - if you click on the drive, it will give you options. 5. Carry on through: one of the options is to set a root password for root. If you *don't* then you get the sudo solution 6. On tasksel selection screen de-select all bar standard system and, perhaps, ssh server. Keep it minimal. 7. Then complete the install and reboot. If you don't have synaptic until you have graphics, use apt - it's the basis for what synaptic is doing graphically anyway. 8. At that point, install TDE - which should also pull in the needed graphics libraries. 9 Profit :) Honestly, you are making this harder for yourself than it ever needs to be, I think. LVM will allow stuff that _needs_ to grow to grow slowly without you needing to bother to specify partitions. The one gotcha might be swap - but, then again,you have swap on your RAID and know how to use swapon command. All the very best, as ever, Andy Cater > That's not the important first impression however. Installing without a root > pw, I am prevented from doing anything to the system setup cuz everything > but synaptic wants a root pw, and does not accept my pw as user 1000 for > sudo. Security seems entirely too paranoid. Ant time I change back to the > gfx screen, I have to go thru the whole login rigermarole so I waste about a > minute because the gfx are so slow. > Root is barred from logging on to X for good reason :) If you _really_ want root to login graphically, you can change settings on the login manager. > Now, I really need a terminal for alt-ctl-F3 that does support the mouse. > but the main package manager, which doesn't seem to have a name but is 100% > graphical, refuses to show me a recognizable terminal of any kind. > > Also, installing on /dev/sda, a new 1T samsung, has destroyed my ability to > do a dual boot by selecting the other drive in the bios menu. It gets stuck, > probably looking for the raid, says press enter to continue and when I do it > just gets stuck in the same loop. > > and without blkid, I can't fix that. And to fix that, I need bllkid, which > isn't installed, and I can't install its parent pkg with synaptic or apt due > to broken packages that apt-get --fix-broken refuses to fix. > > I have the old bullseye install mounted to /mnt/sdc#'s so I have access and > could probably run blkid from there but where is it? Where does it normally > live? I'll hunt around and see if I can find it in the other install. > > Cheers all, Gene Heskett. >
Re: xterm. Was Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails
On 6/12/22 12:41, Dan Ritter wrote: gene heskett wrote: On 6/12/22 10:01, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, June 12, 2022 07:53:21 AM gene heskett wrote: That's not the important first impression however. Installing without a root pw, I am prevented from doing anything to the system setup cuz everything but synaptic wants a root pw, and does not accept my pw as user 1000 for sudo. Open a terminal, type sudo passwd root and give root a password. -dsr- Not an option I want, pw are not remembered well. sudo is supposed to do that for me. Thanks Dan, Cheers, Gene .
Re: xterm. Was Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails
On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 11:42:06AM -0500, David Wright wrote: > If blkid is missing, so is lsblk, unicorn:~$ type blkid blkid is /sbin/blkid unicorn:~$ type lsblk lsblk is /bin/lsblk Betcha it's a PATH thing.
Re: xterm. Was Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails
On 2022-06-12 17:20, gene heskett wrote: I so want you to succeed and I can't be a lot of help. As mentioned before, if it was me, I'd remove everything except the disk thing you want to boot with that has the OS on it and add and get things working one at a time afterwards. mick -- Key ID4BFEBB31
Re: xterm. Was Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails
On Sun 12 Jun 2022 at 12:20:05 (-0400), gene heskett wrote: > On 6/12/22 10:01, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Sunday, June 12, 2022 07:53:21 AM gene heskett wrote: > > > What I do have is konsole and termit, no xterm. > > For me, konsole does fine -- I can C from it with the mouse (and, > > presumably, > > keystrokes). > Well, I gave up and did another 29t install, but in trying to leave > out the dependecy hell of broken packages trying to install > tde-trinity so I could get back to familiar, bug free services. but I > had to install some gfx just to get x or wayland. > > That's not the important first impression however. Installing without > a root pw, I am prevented from doing anything to the system setup cuz > everything but synaptic wants a root pw, and does not accept my pw as > user 1000 for sudo. Security seems entirely too paranoid. Ant time I > change back to the gfx screen, I have to go thru the whole login > rigermarole so I waste about a minute because the gfx are so slow. You can give root a password using sudo. > Now, I really need a terminal for alt-ctl-F3 that does support the > mouse. but the main package manager, which doesn't seem to have a name > but is 100% graphical, refuses to show me a recognizable terminal of > any kind. It's not clear whether you have become fixated on "my instructions" (upthread), but the idea was that you only needed the mouse to cut and paste on the remote installer's PC, not the actual target of the d-i. But it also sounds, from other posts here, that you're only trying to get the mouse, and cut and paste, to show us the partitioner's listing, and the absence of certain drives. AFAICT, if you weren't to mess with the UEFI-BIOS trying to "avoid using UEFI", you'd probably see all your drives and be able to get on with your primary task, to install a system that works. > Also, installing on /dev/sda, a new 1T samsung, has destroyed my > ability to do a dual boot by selecting the other drive in the bios > menu. It gets stuck, probably looking for the raid, says press enter > to continue and when I do it just gets stuck in the same loop. > > and without blkid, I can't fix that. And to fix that, I need bllkid, > which isn't installed, and I can't install its parent pkg with > synaptic or apt due to broken packages that apt-get --fix-broken > refuses to fix. > > I have the old bullseye install mounted to /mnt/sdc#'s so I have > access and could probably run blkid from there but where is it? Where > does it normally live? I'll hunt around and see if I can find it in > the other install. If blkid is missing, so is lsblk, and it looks as though your system is entirely broken from a Debian point of view, because util-linux is Priority: required. Cheers, David.
Re: xterm. Was Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails
gene heskett wrote: > > On 6/12/22 10:01, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Sunday, June 12, 2022 07:53:21 AM gene heskett wrote: > That's not the important first impression however. Installing without a root > pw, I am prevented from doing anything to the system setup cuz everything > but synaptic wants a root pw, and does not accept my pw as user 1000 for > sudo. Open a terminal, type sudo passwd root and give root a password. -dsr-
Re: xterm. Was Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails
On Sun 12 Jun 2022 at 03:53:49 (-0400), Felix Miata wrote: > Thomas Schmitt composed on 2022-06-12 09:21 (UTC+0200): > > Gene Heskett wrote: > > >> The fact remains that xterm is not in the pulldown menu's, I have konsole > >> and termit, and termit will work from x and give me mouse driven copy/ > >> paste. But its a teeny litle thing on this monitors screen. > > > Execute > > > > xterm & > > What purpose does an Xterm serve that can't be fulfilled by Konsole? Why this > tangent to Gene's foibles? Possibly none. Look, if I write about using xterm or a terminal to cut and paste text from the screen, I don't expect to have to write "Use xterm or aterm or aterm-ml or eterm or mrxvt or mrxvt-cjk or mrxvt-mini or rxvt or rxvt-ml or rxvt-beta or rxvt-unicode or rxvt-unicode-256color or rxvt-unicode-lite or rxvt-unicode-ml or xvt or X terminal-emulator or an emulator of your choice", just to pander to someone's inability to look anything up on google or wikipedia. It's enough for me to restate previously-given instructions by writing "Use xterm, not a VC, to cut and paste text". If someone assembling a RAID-10 can't decode those words, then I'm wasting my time. Cheers, David.
Re: xterm. Was Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails
On 6/12/22 10:01, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, June 12, 2022 07:53:21 AM gene heskett wrote: What I do have is konsole and termit, no xterm. For me, konsole does fine -- I can C from it with the mouse (and, presumably, keystrokes). Well, I gave up and did another 29t install, but in trying to leave out the dependecy hell of broken packages trying to install tde-trinity so I could get back to familiar, bug free services. but I had to install some gfx just to get x or wayland. That's not the important first impression however. Installing without a root pw, I am prevented from doing anything to the system setup cuz everything but synaptic wants a root pw, and does not accept my pw as user 1000 for sudo. Security seems entirely too paranoid. Ant time I change back to the gfx screen, I have to go thru the whole login rigermarole so I waste about a minute because the gfx are so slow. Now, I really need a terminal for alt-ctl-F3 that does support the mouse. but the main package manager, which doesn't seem to have a name but is 100% graphical, refuses to show me a recognizable terminal of any kind. Also, installing on /dev/sda, a new 1T samsung, has destroyed my ability to do a dual boot by selecting the other drive in the bios menu. It gets stuck, probably looking for the raid, says press enter to continue and when I do it just gets stuck in the same loop. and without blkid, I can't fix that. And to fix that, I need bllkid, which isn't installed, and I can't install its parent pkg with synaptic or apt due to broken packages that apt-get --fix-broken refuses to fix. I have the old bullseye install mounted to /mnt/sdc#'s so I have access and could probably run blkid from there but where is it? Where does it normally live? I'll hunt around and see if I can find it in the other install. Cheers all, Gene Heskett.
Re: xterm. Was Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails
On Sunday, June 12, 2022 07:53:21 AM gene heskett wrote: > What I do have is konsole and termit, no xterm. For me, konsole does fine -- I can C from it with the mouse (and, presumably, keystrokes).
OT: why (was: Re: xterm. Was Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails)
I was going to restrain myself and not send this, but I succumbed ... sorry for the noise. On Sunday, June 12, 2022 03:53:49 AM Felix Miata wrote: > Why this tangent to Gene's foibles? I shouldn't do this, but ... (And no criticism intended of anyone, specifically Thomas Schmitt.) s/song/thread/g This is the song that never ends. Yes it goes on and on my friend. Some people started singing it. Not knowing what it was. But people kept singing it just because. This is the song that never ends. Yes it goes on and on my friend. ... (Apologies to the copyright holder.)
Re: xterm. Was Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails
On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 07:53:21AM -0400, gene heskett wrote: > gene@coyote:~$ bash: xterm: command not found > > xterm cannot be found by synaptic or apt either. unicorn:~$ apt policy xterm xterm: Installed: 366-1+deb11u1 Candidate: 366-1+deb11u1 Version table: *** 366-1+deb11u1 500 500 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian bullseye/main amd64 Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status Your sources are broken, Gene. > So I'll repeat, what is this magic xterm? What do I install to get it? You don't need to run xterm specifically. You can use any freaking terminal. That should have been obvious to anyone who's been running Linux as long as you have. However, now we have a claim that in addition to all your *other* problems, you have broken Debian sources on at least one of your systems. No actual *proof*, mind you. Just a claim. Or... is it even Debian? Hell. It's probably not. It's probably your heavily customized version of Raspbian that only a dozen people on Earth use.
Re: xterm. Was Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails
On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 07:53:21AM -0400, gene heskett wrote: > On Sunday, 12 June 2022 03:21:50 EDT Thomas Schmitt wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Gene Heskett wrote: > > > The fact remains that xterm is not in the pulldown menu's, I have > > > konsole and termit, and termit will work from x and give me mouse > > > driven copy/ paste. But its a teeny litle thing on this monitors > > > screen. > > > > Execute > > > > xterm & > > root@coyote:~# xterm & > [1] 3504 > root@coyote:~# -bash: xterm: command not found > ^C > [1]+ Exit 127xterm > root@coyote:~# > logout > gene@coyote:~$ xterm & > [1] 3533 > gene@coyote:~$ bash: xterm: command not found > > xterm cannot be found by synaptic or apt either. > > So I'll repeat, what is this magic xterm? What do I install to get it? > Hi Gene, xterm is the _original_ X terminal If you go look at /etc/alternatives - there's an x-terminal-emulator category. /etc/alternatives/x-terminal-emulator update-alternatives --config x-terminal emulator gives me six choices on this machine Selection PathPriority Status --- 0 /usr/bin/gnome-terminal-wrapper 40 auto mode 1 /usr/bin/gnome-terminal-wrapper 40 manual mode 2 /usr/bin/ko18rxterm 20 manual mode 3 /usr/bin/lxterm 30 manual mode 4 /usr/bin/uxterm 20 manual mode 5 /usr/bin/xterm 20 manual mode Konsole and termit are both alternatives to xterm in some sense. apt-cache search xterm will give you a list of all the xterm-like terminal emulators. apt install xterm would install xterm as one of the alternatives Many of the config options for colour/commands/control sequences for xterm have been carried through to later emulations and improvements > What I do have is konsole and termit, no xterm. > > > in one of the terminal windows which the pulldown menu gives you. > > There should pop up a xterm window with black background and white > > writing. > > > > man xterm gives a lot of options which influence the look of the > > terminal window. My favorite look is achieved by > > > > xterm -geometry 80x24 -bg wheat -fg black -sl 1 +sb & > > > > (+sb suppresses the scroll bar. Scroll up and down by Shift+PageUp and > > Shift+PageDown. -sl 1 gives a long scroll memory.) > > > > Repeat as often as needed to get the desired number of xterms. > > > > Consider to put your favorite xterm command into a script, so you can > > start it by a simple shell command like > > my_xterm > > > > (Consider to learn how to add such a command to the menus of the > > desktop or window manager. I gave my fvwm an "xterm" button by this > > line in ~/.fvwm2rc : > > *FvwmButtons xterm linuxterm.xpm Exec xterm -bg wheat -fg black -sl > > 1 +sb -title xterm ) > > > > > > If the default character size is too small for you: > > > > Ctrl+RightMouseButton in the xterm window gives a menu with sizes > > Default Unreadable Tiny Small Medium Large Huge > > > > If you are willing to dive into the sea of fonts, search the web for > > proposals like > > > > xterm ...other.options... -fn '*courier-bold-r*140*' & > > > > xterm ...other.options... -fn 10x20 & > > > > Found on: > > > > https://www.oreilly.com/library/view/x-window-system/9780937175149/Cha > > pter05.html where i read: > > "This wouldn’t be so bad if a typical font name wasn’t mind-bending > > at first glance." > > > > (Ah ... 1990s nostalgy ...) > > > > > > Have a nice day :) > > > > Thomas > > > > . > > > Cheers, Gene Heskett. > -- > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." > -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) > If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. > - Louis D. Brandeis > > All the very best, as ever, Andy Cater >
Re: xterm. Was Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails
On Sunday, 12 June 2022 03:21:50 EDT Thomas Schmitt wrote: > Hi, > > Gene Heskett wrote: > > The fact remains that xterm is not in the pulldown menu's, I have > > konsole and termit, and termit will work from x and give me mouse > > driven copy/ paste. But its a teeny litle thing on this monitors > > screen. > > Execute > > xterm & root@coyote:~# xterm & [1] 3504 root@coyote:~# -bash: xterm: command not found ^C [1]+ Exit 127xterm root@coyote:~# logout gene@coyote:~$ xterm & [1] 3533 gene@coyote:~$ bash: xterm: command not found xterm cannot be found by synaptic or apt either. So I'll repeat, what is this magic xterm? What do I install to get it? What I do have is konsole and termit, no xterm. > in one of the terminal windows which the pulldown menu gives you. > There should pop up a xterm window with black background and white > writing. > > man xterm gives a lot of options which influence the look of the > terminal window. My favorite look is achieved by > > xterm -geometry 80x24 -bg wheat -fg black -sl 1 +sb & > > (+sb suppresses the scroll bar. Scroll up and down by Shift+PageUp and > Shift+PageDown. -sl 1 gives a long scroll memory.) > > Repeat as often as needed to get the desired number of xterms. > > Consider to put your favorite xterm command into a script, so you can > start it by a simple shell command like > my_xterm > > (Consider to learn how to add such a command to the menus of the > desktop or window manager. I gave my fvwm an "xterm" button by this > line in ~/.fvwm2rc : > *FvwmButtons xterm linuxterm.xpm Exec xterm -bg wheat -fg black -sl > 1 +sb -title xterm ) > > > If the default character size is too small for you: > > Ctrl+RightMouseButton in the xterm window gives a menu with sizes > Default Unreadable Tiny Small Medium Large Huge > > If you are willing to dive into the sea of fonts, search the web for > proposals like > > xterm ...other.options... -fn '*courier-bold-r*140*' & > > xterm ...other.options... -fn 10x20 & > > Found on: > > https://www.oreilly.com/library/view/x-window-system/9780937175149/Cha > pter05.html where i read: > "This wouldn’t be so bad if a typical font name wasn’t mind-bending > at first glance." > > (Ah ... 1990s nostalgy ...) > > > Have a nice day :) > > Thomas > > . Cheers, Gene Heskett. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis
Re: xterm. Was Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails
Thomas Schmitt composed on 2022-06-12 09:21 (UTC+0200): > Gene Heskett wrote: >> The fact remains that xterm is not in the pulldown menu's, I have konsole >> and termit, and termit will work from x and give me mouse driven copy/ >> paste. But its a teeny litle thing on this monitors screen. > Execute > > xterm & What purpose does an Xterm serve that can't be fulfilled by Konsole? Why this tangent to Gene's foibles? -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
xterm. Was Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails
Hi, Gene Heskett wrote: > The fact remains that xterm is not in the pulldown menu's, I have konsole > and termit, and termit will work from x and give me mouse driven copy/ > paste. But its a teeny litle thing on this monitors screen. Execute xterm & in one of the terminal windows which the pulldown menu gives you. There should pop up a xterm window with black background and white writing. man xterm gives a lot of options which influence the look of the terminal window. My favorite look is achieved by xterm -geometry 80x24 -bg wheat -fg black -sl 1 +sb & (+sb suppresses the scroll bar. Scroll up and down by Shift+PageUp and Shift+PageDown. -sl 1 gives a long scroll memory.) Repeat as often as needed to get the desired number of xterms. Consider to put your favorite xterm command into a script, so you can start it by a simple shell command like my_xterm (Consider to learn how to add such a command to the menus of the desktop or window manager. I gave my fvwm an "xterm" button by this line in ~/.fvwm2rc : *FvwmButtons xterm linuxterm.xpm Exec xterm -bg wheat -fg black -sl 1 +sb -title xterm ) If the default character size is too small for you: Ctrl+RightMouseButton in the xterm window gives a menu with sizes Default Unreadable Tiny Small Medium Large Huge If you are willing to dive into the sea of fonts, search the web for proposals like xterm ...other.options... -fn '*courier-bold-r*140*' & xterm ...other.options... -fn 10x20 & Found on: https://www.oreilly.com/library/view/x-window-system/9780937175149/Chapter05.html where i read: "This wouldn’t be so bad if a typical font name wasn’t mind-bending at first glance." (Ah ... 1990s nostalgy ...) Have a nice day :) Thomas
