Re: yet another NVIDIA problem (4496)
- Original Message - From: Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 19:49 Subject: Re: yet another NVIDIA problem (4496) -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Dec 15, 2003 at 07:04:20AM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've had the same thing; the drivers that I nabbed from nVidia have been rock-solid and quite functional, whereas the Debian packages...besides, why is it a 'crap driver'? The debian packages and what you get off nvidia's site are the same. Showstopper bugs: 1) License 2) Will occasionally lock up the system without putting anything in the log (though this is getting less frequent over time. 3) Drivers don't perform as well as the Windows version Item 3 is really damning, nVidia cards are the only video cards I've seen that consistently perform craptastically under Linux. Fuck nVidia, nVidia sucks. They should just call it quits now while they still have fans. - -- .''`. Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' : Perhaps its because of inexperience but I have no trouble with nVidia. It works very well. Hoyt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: yet another NVIDIA problem (4496)
hi ya On Tue, 16 Dec 2003, Hoyt Bailey wrote: On Mon, Dec 15, 2003 at 07:04:20AM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've had the same thing; the drivers that I nabbed from nVidia have been rock-solid and quite functional, whereas the Debian packages...besides, why is it a 'crap driver'? getting the drivers is sometimes a pain ... installing it is a big mess too http://www.Linux-1U.net/MotherBoard/X11.nvidia.* Fuck nVidia, nVidia sucks. They should just call it quits now while they still have fans. if they went away .. we'd have to bitch about ati/matrox :-0 to be.. they're all equally bad ... - had to install drivers for gazillion varitions and reasons - one usually inherits their hardware they have and have to call for help ... to get their box running - sometimes easier to just telll um call somebody else :-0 ( esp if its a video card we already played with and x11 didnt ( work just right - FireGL-2 seems to be the wrost video card in my book .. - itd work ... than it randomy hangs/dies.. and than it'd work while you're there ... go away and it dies again .. - scrapped all of them and replaced with nvidia and all the stereo 3d graphics seems to be happy ( and worked faster than the firegl-2 stuff - both of those cards retailed at about $1,00 each a year ago... and its still flaky/crappy ... - even the $20 rage128 did 1600x 1280 or whatever it was but they needed 3D stereo c ya alvin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: yet another NVIDIA problem (4496)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Dec 16, 2003 at 05:52:11PM -0800, Alvin Oga wrote: if they went away .. we'd have to bitch about ati/matrox :-0 We already had that argument. Matrox lost. And we had the ATI/3dfx debate. 3dfx lost. - -- .''`. Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' : `. `'` proud Debian admin and user `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fix a system -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/38RCUzgNqloQMwcRAo/7AKDY0w8t49Ch6y3Rzxob31MZv72yDQCfbq0s v52g1N27CLaCA9h6yI6b9wc= =cCR0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: yet another NVIDIA problem (4496) :-)
On Tue, 16 Dec 2003, Paul Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Dec 16, 2003 at 05:52:11PM -0800, Alvin Oga wrote: if they went away .. we'd have to bitch about ati/matrox :-0 We already had that argument. Matrox lost. And we had the ATI/3dfx debate. 3dfx lost. whose left ?? maybe its a good sign, that the industry needs to abondon svga style outputs and come intot he digital age of display - even the lcd uses 50yr old display technology for backward compatibility - start the mice, squirrels, gorrilla and baboons running down the unmarked tracks c ya alvin - mice -- the experimenters - squirrel -- those the power the experiment - gorrilla -- those the market the experiment - baboons --- humm ?? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: yet another NVIDIA problem (4496)
On Sun, Dec 14, 2003 at 06:03:03PM -0600, Stewart Jenkins wrote: On Saturday 13 December 2003 02:05, Paul Johnson wrote: That is the crap driver I'm talking about. BTW, you can get it easier with apt...the nvidia-kernel and nvidia-glx packages are it. snip Interesting. I had lots of problems with the two debian packages, but have had rock solid performance from the downloaded drivers from Nvidia. This backward than what is usual in the Debian community. I've had the same thing; the drivers that I nabbed from nVidia have been rock-solid and quite functional, whereas the Debian packages...besides, why is it a 'crap driver'? -- Don Werve [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Unix System Administrator) Yorn desh born, der ritt de gitt der gue, Orn desh, dee born desh, de umn bork! bork! bork! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: yet another NVIDIA problem (4496)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Dec 14, 2003 at 06:03:03PM -0600, Stewart Jenkins wrote: On Saturday 13 December 2003 02:05, Paul Johnson wrote: That is the crap driver I'm talking about. BTW, you can get it easier with apt...the nvidia-kernel and nvidia-glx packages are it. snip Interesting. I had lots of problems with the two debian packages, but have had rock solid performance from the downloaded drivers from Nvidia. This backward than what is usual in the Debian community. I've had the same thing; the drivers that I nabbed from nVidia have been rock-solid and quite functional, whereas the Debian packages...besides, why is it a 'crap driver'? I use Nvidia drivers installed from their script for *Backstreet Ruby* the multi-seat Linux solution, because it allows separate Xservers for separate Nvidia chip-based video-cards, which the X nv driver does not offer and I have never had a crash yet. Hugo. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
FW: yet another NVIDIA problem (4496)
-Original Message- From: Hugo Vanwoerkom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 7:50 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: yet another NVIDIA problem (4496) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Dec 14, 2003 at 06:03:03PM -0600, Stewart Jenkins wrote: On Saturday 13 December 2003 02:05, Paul Johnson wrote: That is the crap driver I'm talking about. BTW, you can get it easier with apt...the nvidia-kernel and nvidia-glx packages are it. snip Interesting. I had lots of problems with the two debian packages, but have had rock solid performance from the downloaded drivers from Nvidia. This backward than what is usual in the Debian community. I've had the same thing; the drivers that I nabbed from nVidia have been rock-solid and quite functional, whereas the Debian packages...besides, why is it a 'crap driver'? I use Nvidia drivers installed from their script for *Backstreet Ruby* the multi-seat Linux solution, because it allows separate Xservers for separate Nvidia chip-based video-cards, which the X nv driver does not offer and I have never had a crash yet. Hugo. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
FW: yet another NVIDIA problem (4496)
-- From: Sreelal Chandrasenan Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 9:25:22 AM To: Debian User (E-mail) Subject: FW: yet another NVIDIA problem (4496) Auto forwarded by a Rule -Original Message- From: Hugo Vanwoerkom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 7:50 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: yet another NVIDIA problem (4496) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Dec 14, 2003 at 06:03:03PM -0600, Stewart Jenkins wrote: On Saturday 13 December 2003 02:05, Paul Johnson wrote: That is the crap driver I'm talking about. BTW, you can get it easier with apt...the nvidia-kernel and nvidia-glx packages are it. snip Interesting. I had lots of problems with the two debian packages, but have had rock solid performance from the downloaded drivers from Nvidia. This backward than what is usual in the Debian community. I've had the same thing; the drivers that I nabbed from nVidia have been rock-solid and quite functional, whereas the Debian packages...besides, why is it a 'crap driver'? I use Nvidia drivers installed from their script for *Backstreet Ruby* the multi-seat Linux solution, because it allows separate Xservers for separate Nvidia chip-based video-cards, which the X nv driver does not offer and I have never had a crash yet. Hugo. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: yet another NVIDIA problem (4496)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Dec 15, 2003 at 07:04:20AM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've had the same thing; the drivers that I nabbed from nVidia have been rock-solid and quite functional, whereas the Debian packages...besides, why is it a 'crap driver'? The debian packages and what you get off nvidia's site are the same. Showstopper bugs: 1) License 2) Will occasionally lock up the system without putting anything in the log (though this is getting less frequent over time. 3) Drivers don't perform as well as the Windows version Item 3 is really damning, nVidia cards are the only video cards I've seen that consistently perform craptastically under Linux. Fuck nVidia, nVidia sucks. They should just call it quits now while they still have fans. - -- .''`. Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' : `. `'` proud Debian admin and user `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fix a system -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/3mSmUzgNqloQMwcRAnNIAKCJ4MNMSrKRIcO34oECBZdiXwzY9QCg2JvA SqoEG/eesxi9bEAbaXH/jck= =cuVL -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: yet another NVIDIA problem (4496)
On Saturday 13 December 2003 02:05, Paul Johnson wrote: That is the crap driver I'm talking about. BTW, you can get it easier with apt...the nvidia-kernel and nvidia-glx packages are it. snip Interesting. I had lots of problems with the two debian packages, but have had rock solid performance from the downloaded drivers from Nvidia. This backward than what is usual in the Debian community. -- Stewart... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: yet another NVIDIA problem (4496)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Dec 12, 2003 at 02:46:11PM +, John Peter wrote: I use the NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-4496-pkg2.run installer from NVidea and just had to execute their instructions, by the letter and everything runs OK. That is the crap driver I'm talking about. BTW, you can get it easier with apt...the nvidia-kernel and nvidia-glx packages are it. Paul, I don't have a personal experience with ATI Radeon video cards on Linux, but I have been reading a lot of mails from peopple having problems with it - this doesn't seem such a linear issue... ATI cards are more common and the documentation for them is not printed on droolproof paper, so that's bound to be the case for newbies. - -- .''`. Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' : `. `'` proud Debian admin and user `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fix a system -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/2sg3UzgNqloQMwcRAsFuAJ9cBc6NY/gHvpcIoVqU/wBomk+R8wCfSC/V ftWIEM/CjITJJy/P+DtSuCs= =6bBG -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: yet another NVIDIA problem (4496)
On Sat, 2003-12-13 at 09:05, Paul Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Dec 12, 2003 at 02:46:11PM +, John Peter wrote: I use the NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-4496-pkg2.run installer from NVidea and just had to execute their instructions, by the letter and everything runs OK. That is the crap driver I'm talking about. BTW, you can get it easier with apt...the nvidia-kernel and nvidia-glx packages are it. Can someone tell me where I can find nvidia-kernel-1.0.4496 package for installing nvidia-glx? The following packages have unmet dependencies: nvidia-glx: Depends: nvidia-kernel-1.0.4496 but it is not installable Matej -- Ing. Vladimir M. Kerka [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: yet another NVIDIA problem (4496)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, Dec 13, 2003 at 10:34:30AM +0100, Ing. Vladimir M. Kerka wrote: with apt...the nvidia-kernel and nvidia-glx packages are it. Can someone tell me where I can find nvidia-kernel-1.0.4496 package for installing nvidia-glx? - From building nvidia-kernel-source - -- .''`. Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' : `. `'` proud Debian admin and user `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fix a system -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/212lUzgNqloQMwcRArkhAKDFBSIXLhSuzV7D6w3R1jC5XvPKwQCgjJ2y AAQJlFE3Q18fr9sBSGMHUIo= =QyF0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: yet another NVIDIA problem (4496)
Paul Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 03:24:14PM +0200, Haim Ashkenazi wrote: I've just bought a new GeForce 5600 (Gainward Ultra 780 TV/DVI) and for that occasion I've upgraded my nvidia drivers to 4496-10. after upgrading, X wouldn't start (error loading 'nvidia') unless I modprobe 'nvidia' manually, and then it loads, but with an error: I've googled for it but only found some kernel mailing list entries which I didn't understand. as a workaround I've added nvidia to '/etc/modules' but I was wondering if this problem can be solved. nVidia has actively demonstrated they don't care. Go return that video card and exchange it for an ATI Radeon, for which there are better drivers, as well as open source drivers for the Radeon that Just Work, and work way better than nVidia's proprietary hack. I use the NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-4496-pkg2.run installer from NVidea and just had to execute their instructions, by the letter and everything runs OK. Paul, I don't have a personal experience with ATI Radeon video cards on Linux, but I have been reading a lot of mails from peopple having problems with it - this doesn't seem such a linear issue... John -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: yet another NVIDIA problem (4496)
Paul Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 11:52:32AM +0200, Haim Ashkenazi wrote: I originaly thought about bying radeon (9500, or 9700) but when I've searched the mailing list I saw there were a lot of problems with the ATI drivers too, so I've decided to stick with nvidia (known evil against new evil...) Well, known evil is easy to fix and does. ATI drivers are pretty solid. nvidia drivers are closed and buggy, so while it's known evil, it's not something we can do anything about but boycott. I was under the impression that the open source drivers only support up to Radeon 9200. If I'm mistaken, my next card will be ATI :) Bye -- Haim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: yet another NVIDIA problem (4496)
Paul Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 03:24:14PM +0200, Haim Ashkenazi wrote: I've just bought a new GeForce 5600 (Gainward Ultra 780 TV/DVI) and for that occasion I've upgraded my nvidia drivers to 4496-10. after upgrading, X wouldn't start (error loading 'nvidia') unless I modprobe 'nvidia' manually, and then it loads, but with an error: I've googled for it but only found some kernel mailing list entries which I didn't understand. as a workaround I've added nvidia to '/etc/modules' but I was wondering if this problem can be solved. nVidia has actively demonstrated they don't care. Go return that video card and exchange it for an ATI Radeon, for which there are better drivers, as well as open source drivers for the Radeon that Just Work, and work way better than nVidia's proprietary hack. I originaly thought about bying radeon (9500, or 9700) but when I've searched the mailing list I saw there were a lot of problems with the ATI drivers too, so I've decided to stick with nvidia (known evil against new evil...) Bye -- Haim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: yet another NVIDIA problem (4496)
Kevin C. Smith wrote: On Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 02:30:55AM +0200, Haim Ashkenazi wrote: Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Haim Ashkenazi wrote: Hi I've just bought a new GeForce 5600 (Gainward Ultra 780 TV/DVI) and for that occasion I've upgraded my nvidia drivers to 4496-10. after upgrading, X wouldn't start (error loading 'nvidia') unless I modprobe 'nvidia' manually, and then it loads, but with an error: devfs_register(nvidiactl): could not append to parent, err: -17 devfs_register(nvidia0): could not append to parent, err: -17 I've googled for it but only found some kernel mailing list entries which I didn't understand. as a workaround I've added nvidia to '/etc/modules' but I was wondering if this problem can be solved. kernel: 2.4.21 thanx -- Haim I always put Nvidia in /etc/modules. for me it always worked without adding it to '/etc/modules'. any idea about the error? thanx -- Haim I fixed the problem by deleting a recently created file: /etc/devfs/devices.d/nvidia-kernel-nkc which contained this: # devices file # format: name [bc] major minor uid gid mode nvidia0 c 195 0 rootvideo 0660 nvidia1 c 195 1 rootvideo 0660 nvidia2 c 195 2 rootvideo 0660 nvidia3 c 195 3 rootvideo 0660 nvidiactl c 195 255 rootvideo 0660 I already had this file: /etc/devfs/conf.d/nvidia-kernel-nkc Which contains: REGISTER ^nvidiactl PERMISSIONS root.video 0660 REGISTER ^nvidia[0-9] PERMISSIONS root.video 0660 And everything went back to normal. thanx I'll try it next time I'll boot the machine Kevin C. Smith bye -- Haim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: yet another NVIDIA problem (4496)
Haim Ashkenazi wrote: David Selby wrote: Haim Ashkenazi wrote: Hi I've just bought a new GeForce 5600 (Gainward Ultra 780 TV/DVI) and for that occasion I've upgraded my nvidia drivers to 4496-10. after upgrading, X wouldn't start (error loading 'nvidia') unless I modprobe 'nvidia' manually, and then it loads, but with an error: devfs_register(nvidiactl): could not append to parent, err: -17 devfs_register(nvidia0): could not append to parent, err: -17 I've googled for it but only found some kernel mailing list entries which I didn't understand. as a workaround I've added nvidia to '/etc/modules' but I was wondering if this problem can be solved. kernel: 2.4.21 thanx -- Haim All is revealed in /usr/share/doc/NVIDIA_GLX-1.0/README Q: The kernel module doesn't get loaded dynamically when X starts; I always have to do 'modprobe nvidia' first. What's wrong? A: Make sure the line alias char-major-195 nvidia appears in your module configuration file, generally one of /etc/conf.modules, /etc/modules.conf or /etc/modutils/alias; consult the documentation that came with your distribution for details. it's already there. nvidia-kernel-common took care of it. actially it's written alias char-major-195* nvidia. should I change it? I guess I didn't explain myself. I don't mind putting it in '/etc/modules'. it's the errors that disturbes me... thanx -- Haim I would delete the * give it a go - I'm No expert though ! My own notes for setting up the driver are Need to re-compile kernel to ensure compiler compatibility Use source tarballs .. cd /usr/local/nvidia/NVIDIA_Kernel-x.x.x make cd /usr/local/nvidia/NVIDIA_GLX-x.x.x make vi /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 replace driver ?nv? with ?nvidia? add line ?NoLogo? 1 underneath to kill logo make sure you have Load ?glx? # out Load ?dri?, Load ?Glcore? at the end of /etc/modutils/aliases, add the line alias char-major-195 NVdriver then execute update-modules Otherwise the Nvidia driver will not boot on re-start * Latest Nvidia driver, semi-automated, NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-4349.run ** Start modem link Drop out of X via KDM sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-4349.run Follow instructions vi /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 replace driver ?nv? with ?nvidia? add line ?NoLogo? 1 underneath to kill logo make sure you have Load ?glx? # out Load ?dri?, Load ?Glcore? at the end of /etc/modutils/aliases, add the line alias char-major-195 nvidia then execute update-modules Otherwise the Nvidia driver will not boot on re-start Reboot system. NOTE XFree86 will not start till after reboot ! /usr/share/doc/NVIDIA_GLX-1.0/README -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: yet another NVIDIA problem (4496)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 11:52:32AM +0200, Haim Ashkenazi wrote: I originaly thought about bying radeon (9500, or 9700) but when I've searched the mailing list I saw there were a lot of problems with the ATI drivers too, so I've decided to stick with nvidia (known evil against new evil...) Well, known evil is easy to fix and does. ATI drivers are pretty solid. nvidia drivers are closed and buggy, so while it's known evil, it's not something we can do anything about but boycott. - -- .''`. Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' : `. `'` proud Debian admin and user `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fix a system -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/2SmJUzgNqloQMwcRAtneAJ0TgZRrWdsor2Art7RUZD1PupLWYgCfaIBs qih6JHUx9f96jIYrYjTMc1U= =eiGy -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: yet another NVIDIA problem (4496)
On Thu, 11 Dec 2003, Paul Johnson wrote: On Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 11:52:32AM +0200, Haim Ashkenazi wrote: I originaly thought about bying radeon (9500, or 9700) but when I've searched the mailing list I saw there were a lot of problems with the ATI drivers too, so I've decided to stick with nvidia (known evil against new evil...) Well, known evil is easy to fix and does. ATI drivers are pretty solid. nvidia drivers are closed and buggy, so while it's known evil, it's not something we can do anything about but boycott. The new Radeons have full 3D and XVideo hardware accel in an open driver? I was under the impression that to get anything but 2D you would need the closed ATI drivers (which are not officially supported by ATI either last time I checked...). If there ARE open-source ATI drivers for, e.g. Radeon 9500 and beyond, which let me access the full capabilities of the card, I am junking all nVidia stuff I have right now! :-) -- One disk to rule them all, One disk to find them. One disk to bring them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond where the shadows lie. -- The Silicon Valley Tarot Henrique Holschuh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: yet another NVIDIA problem (4496)
On Thursday December 11 at 06:35pm Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 11:52:32AM +0200, Haim Ashkenazi wrote: I originaly thought about bying radeon (9500, or 9700) but when I've searched the mailing list I saw there were a lot of problems with the ATI drivers too, so I've decided to stick with nvidia (known evil against new evil...) Well, known evil is easy to fix and does. ATI drivers are pretty solid. nvidia drivers are closed and buggy, so while it's known evil, it's not something we can do anything about but boycott. Although I have not had a chance to deal with the ATI drivers, Nvidia's have been rock-solid for me, and provide excellent performance. I have never had a serious problem with the stock installer, and my display is just beautiful. Just because its 'binary only' (which it is not)[1] does not mean that it isn't an excellent driver. [1] see attachment for a list of files included in the installer, after running 'sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-4496-pkg2.run --extract-only,' as listed by 'find . ~/nvidia' Yes, there are a lot of precompiled modules, but should there not be one for your kernel, the installer will compile one for you I'm sorry, I retract that. It seems there is a precompiled nv-kernel.o which is used to build the kernel module. But at least it performs better than ATI's. -- -johann koenig Now Playing: Black Flag - Six Pack : Damaged Today is Setting Orange, the 53rd day of The Aftermath in the YOLD 3169 My public pgp key: http://mental-graffiti.com/pgp/johannkoenig.pgp nvidia Description: Binary data pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
yet another NVIDIA problem (4496)
Hi I've just bought a new GeForce 5600 (Gainward Ultra 780 TV/DVI) and for that occasion I've upgraded my nvidia drivers to 4496-10. after upgrading, X wouldn't start (error loading 'nvidia') unless I modprobe 'nvidia' manually, and then it loads, but with an error: devfs_register(nvidiactl): could not append to parent, err: -17 devfs_register(nvidia0): could not append to parent, err: -17 I've googled for it but only found some kernel mailing list entries which I didn't understand. as a workaround I've added nvidia to '/etc/modules' but I was wondering if this problem can be solved. kernel: 2.4.21 thanx -- Haim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: yet another NVIDIA problem (4496)
Haim Ashkenazi wrote: Hi I've just bought a new GeForce 5600 (Gainward Ultra 780 TV/DVI) and for that occasion I've upgraded my nvidia drivers to 4496-10. after upgrading, X wouldn't start (error loading 'nvidia') unless I modprobe 'nvidia' manually, and then it loads, but with an error: devfs_register(nvidiactl): could not append to parent, err: -17 devfs_register(nvidia0): could not append to parent, err: -17 I've googled for it but only found some kernel mailing list entries which I didn't understand. as a workaround I've added nvidia to '/etc/modules' but I was wondering if this problem can be solved. kernel: 2.4.21 thanx -- Haim I always put Nvidia in /etc/modules. Hugo. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: yet another NVIDIA problem (4496)
On Wednesday December 10 at 03:24pm Haim Ashkenazi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've just bought a new GeForce 5600 (Gainward Ultra 780 TV/DVI) and for that occasion I've upgraded my nvidia drivers to 4496-10. after upgrading, X wouldn't start (error loading 'nvidia') unless I modprobe 'nvidia' manually, and then it loads, but with an error: devfs_register(nvidiactl): could not append to parent, err: -17 devfs_register(nvidia0): could not append to parent, err: -17 I've googled for it but only found some kernel mailing list entries which I didn't understand. as a workaround I've added nvidia to '/etc/modules' but I was wondering if this problem can be solved. kernel: 2.4.21 I don't think X is supposed to load the module. I've always used 'modconf' to select it, which automagically adds an entry to /etc/modules. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ dmesg | grep nvidia 0: nvidia: loading NVIDIA Linux x86 nvidia.o Kernel Module 1.0-4496 Wed Jul 16 19:03:09 PDT 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ uname -a Linux note 2.4.23 #1 Mon Dec 1 22:20:24 EST 2003 i686 GNU/Linux -- -johann koenig Now Playing: The Mountain Goats - Going to Cleveland : Bitter Melon Farm Today is Pungenday, the 51st day of The Aftermath in the YOLD 3169 My public pgp key: http://mental-graffiti.com/pgp/johannkoenig.pgp pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: yet another NVIDIA problem (4496)
Haim Ashkenazi wrote: Hi I've just bought a new GeForce 5600 (Gainward Ultra 780 TV/DVI) and for that occasion I've upgraded my nvidia drivers to 4496-10. after upgrading, X wouldn't start (error loading 'nvidia') unless I modprobe 'nvidia' manually, and then it loads, but with an error: devfs_register(nvidiactl): could not append to parent, err: -17 devfs_register(nvidia0): could not append to parent, err: -17 I've googled for it but only found some kernel mailing list entries which I didn't understand. as a workaround I've added nvidia to '/etc/modules' but I was wondering if this problem can be solved. kernel: 2.4.21 thanx -- Haim All is revealed in /usr/share/doc/NVIDIA_GLX-1.0/README Q: The kernel module doesn't get loaded dynamically when X starts; I always have to do 'modprobe nvidia' first. What's wrong? A: Make sure the line alias char-major-195 nvidia appears in your module configuration file, generally one of /etc/conf.modules, /etc/modules.conf or /etc/modutils/alias; consult the documentation that came with your distribution for details. Works for me - Dave -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: yet another NVIDIA problem (4496)
Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Haim Ashkenazi wrote: Hi I've just bought a new GeForce 5600 (Gainward Ultra 780 TV/DVI) and for that occasion I've upgraded my nvidia drivers to 4496-10. after upgrading, X wouldn't start (error loading 'nvidia') unless I modprobe 'nvidia' manually, and then it loads, but with an error: devfs_register(nvidiactl): could not append to parent, err: -17 devfs_register(nvidia0): could not append to parent, err: -17 I've googled for it but only found some kernel mailing list entries which I didn't understand. as a workaround I've added nvidia to '/etc/modules' but I was wondering if this problem can be solved. kernel: 2.4.21 thanx -- Haim I always put Nvidia in /etc/modules. for me it always worked without adding it to '/etc/modules'. any idea about the error? thanx -- Haim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: yet another NVIDIA problem (4496)
David Selby wrote: Haim Ashkenazi wrote: Hi I've just bought a new GeForce 5600 (Gainward Ultra 780 TV/DVI) and for that occasion I've upgraded my nvidia drivers to 4496-10. after upgrading, X wouldn't start (error loading 'nvidia') unless I modprobe 'nvidia' manually, and then it loads, but with an error: devfs_register(nvidiactl): could not append to parent, err: -17 devfs_register(nvidia0): could not append to parent, err: -17 I've googled for it but only found some kernel mailing list entries which I didn't understand. as a workaround I've added nvidia to '/etc/modules' but I was wondering if this problem can be solved. kernel: 2.4.21 thanx -- Haim All is revealed in /usr/share/doc/NVIDIA_GLX-1.0/README Q: The kernel module doesn't get loaded dynamically when X starts; I always have to do 'modprobe nvidia' first. What's wrong? A: Make sure the line alias char-major-195 nvidia appears in your module configuration file, generally one of /etc/conf.modules, /etc/modules.conf or /etc/modutils/alias; consult the documentation that came with your distribution for details. it's already there. nvidia-kernel-common took care of it. actially it's written alias char-major-195* nvidia. should I change it? I guess I didn't explain myself. I don't mind putting it in '/etc/modules'. it's the errors that disturbes me... thanx -- Haim -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: yet another NVIDIA problem (4496)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 03:24:14PM +0200, Haim Ashkenazi wrote: I've just bought a new GeForce 5600 (Gainward Ultra 780 TV/DVI) and for that occasion I've upgraded my nvidia drivers to 4496-10. after upgrading, X wouldn't start (error loading 'nvidia') unless I modprobe 'nvidia' manually, and then it loads, but with an error: I've googled for it but only found some kernel mailing list entries which I didn't understand. as a workaround I've added nvidia to '/etc/modules' but I was wondering if this problem can be solved. nVidia has actively demonstrated they don't care. Go return that video card and exchange it for an ATI Radeon, for which there are better drivers, as well as open source drivers for the Radeon that Just Work, and work way better than nVidia's proprietary hack. - -- .''`. Paul Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' : `. `'` proud Debian admin and user `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fix a system -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/19qGUzgNqloQMwcRApzdAJ4jNbiprEtOIbRlDlzhRiRZcRtifwCfbPhH 9mMYfogg2zdPwbqEXYAHaB0= =6NHU -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: yet another NVIDIA problem (4496)
On Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 02:30:55AM +0200, Haim Ashkenazi wrote: Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Haim Ashkenazi wrote: Hi I've just bought a new GeForce 5600 (Gainward Ultra 780 TV/DVI) and for that occasion I've upgraded my nvidia drivers to 4496-10. after upgrading, X wouldn't start (error loading 'nvidia') unless I modprobe 'nvidia' manually, and then it loads, but with an error: devfs_register(nvidiactl): could not append to parent, err: -17 devfs_register(nvidia0): could not append to parent, err: -17 I've googled for it but only found some kernel mailing list entries which I didn't understand. as a workaround I've added nvidia to '/etc/modules' but I was wondering if this problem can be solved. kernel: 2.4.21 thanx -- Haim I always put Nvidia in /etc/modules. for me it always worked without adding it to '/etc/modules'. any idea about the error? thanx -- Haim I fixed the problem by deleting a recently created file: /etc/devfs/devices.d/nvidia-kernel-nkc which contained this: # devices file # format: name [bc] major minor uid gid mode nvidia0 c 195 0 rootvideo 0660 nvidia1 c 195 1 rootvideo 0660 nvidia2 c 195 2 rootvideo 0660 nvidia3 c 195 3 rootvideo 0660 nvidiactl c 195 255 rootvideo 0660 I already had this file: /etc/devfs/conf.d/nvidia-kernel-nkc Which contains: REGISTER ^nvidiactl PERMISSIONS root.video 0660 REGISTER ^nvidia[0-9] PERMISSIONS root.video 0660 And everything went back to normal. Kevin C. Smith -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: yet another NVIDIA problem (4496)
On Thursday December 11 at 02:30am Haim Ashkenazi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always put Nvidia in /etc/modules. for me it always worked without adding it to '/etc/modules'. any idea about the error? No, I used to get an error about 'non-gpl code, tainted kernel' or some such with 4363 and kernels 2.4.20-22, I think. I use the installer provided by Nvidia, I find it works quite well. -- -johann koenig Now Playing: The Mountain Goats - No, I Can't (2) : Bitter Melon Farm Today is Prickle-Prickle, the 52nd day of The Aftermath in the YOLD 3169 My public pgp key: http://mental-graffiti.com/pgp/johannkoenig.pgp pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
