Re: lost my Apps - Shells - bash option in Blackbox Menu

[Marc Wilson]

On Sun, Nov 09, 2003 at 07:25:06PM -0600, Doug MacFarlane wrote:
> Is there some magical command to regenerate the default menus?  I haven't
> added anything by editing the .blackbox-menu file or anything like that -
> I've always been happy with how apt/dpkg managed it for me . . . . 

As root, run update-menus, note whatever errors it spits out, correct them,
rinse, repeat.

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Re: gtk background

[Marc Wilson]

On Sun, Nov 09, 2003 at 08:23:22PM -0800, Rodney D. Myers wrote:
> I had to re-install, and suddenly some of the GTKGTK2 based apps are
> very "dark".

So set your GTK theme to a "brighter" one.  Use gtk-theme-switch if you
don't know how to do it yourself.

> I've tried editing the ~/.gtkrc ~/.gtkrc-2.0.

I love clueless statements like this.  So you "edited" them, huh?  What did
you do, add "MAKE MY SCREEN BRIGHTER!" to the two of them?

Yes, yes, I'm so mean.  Well, what do you expect to be made of a statement
like that?

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Re: fetchmail problem

[David Jardine]

On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 01:52:45PM +1300, Paul William wrote:
> thanks, I will try that.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Paul
> 
> On Mon, 2003-11-10 at 00:10, David Jardine wrote:
> > On Sun, Nov 09, 2003 at 11:27:59AM +0100, David Jardine wrote:
> > > On Sun, Nov 09, 2003 at 03:01:45PM +1300, Paul William wrote:
> > > > Hi
> > > > 
> > > > I am running fetchmail on woody. I want fetchmail to get mail from a
> > > > pop3 account and deliver to mail to two local accounts. I want both to
> > > > receive all the mail - not multi-drop. Can this be done?
> > > 
> > > If there's no other way, you could always fetch it twice:
> > > 
> > > user james pass pass1 is jim here keep
> > > user henry pass pass2 is harry here
> > > 
> > 
> > Sorry, that should have been:
> > 
> > user james pass pass1 is jim here keep
> > user james pass pass1 is harry here
 
Still not quite right:

user james pass pass1 is jim here keep
user james pass pass1 is harry here fetchall

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Re: APRS under Linux

[Nate Duehr]

Don't forget to subscribe to debian-hams mailing list very low 
traffic, but some of the pioneers of ham radio use in Linux are hanging 
around there in the shadows.

Nate WY0X

Dana J. Laude wrote:

On Sun, Nov 09, 2003 at 05:12:50PM +0100 or thereabouts, Arnt Karlsen wrote:

..excellent, tell us about it, there will be more people asking the same
question and now is your chance to help'em find _your_ solution.  ;-)


Well, I suppose that I can do that. :-)  I was curious on getting APRS
working under debian, since I don't have a TNC.  I was chatting with a
fellow ham friend and he mentioned a program that ran under windows
that would simulate a TNC.  Well, I figured I could do the same thing
under debian.  Seems like I was right!  Basically I installed the
xastir program and now it's working.  You'll need to download some
maps (see the /usr/share/doc/xastir/README.MAPS.gz for details)
and then set them up in xastir.
The next thing will be setting up a weather station, and purchasing
a kenwood th-d7a(g) ht in a few months.  Everything is running
right now under the current debian unstable branch btw. I'll keep
everyone posted as things progress.
Dana - KC9AAE 




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Re: [OT] routing failed

[David Jardine]

On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 06:51:53AM +0800, csj wrote:
> On Sun, 9 Nov 2003 11:10:52 +0100,
> David Jardine wrote:
> > 
> > On Sun, Nov 09, 2003 at 06:18:54AM +0800, csj wrote:
> > > On Sat, 8 Nov 2003 21:46:15 +0100,
> > > David Jardine wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > On Sat, Nov 08, 2003 at 08:51:46AM +0800, csj wrote:
> > > > > On Sat, 8 Nov 2003 at 01:24:17 +0100,
> > > > > David Jardine wrote:
> > > 
> > > [...]
> > > 
> > > > > Since I first got connected just three or four years ago,
> > > > > the Net it seems has become a more and more paraonid
> > > > > place.
> > > > 
> > > > Indeed.  But not without justification.  There are some
> > > > funny goings-on out there.  Why are your messages - only
> > > > yours - scrutinized by "master" before being passed on to
> > > > "murphy"?  And why does master put adair's name in
> > > > parenthesis as if he didn't believe he really existed?  And
> > > > who is adair?  And why does he call you localhost.invalid?
> > > > Funny goings-on indeed...
> > > 
> > > Well I put them in.  localhost.invalid I believe is more
> > > polite than putting, let's say, cnn.com as my domain.  What
> > > values do I put in as my domain if I don't have one?
> > 
> > Put in where?  You previously said you had
> > 
> > local domains = localhost:your_host_name
> > 
> > in exim.config.  Where did you put localhost.invalid?
> 
> /etc/mailname

Then I should change it (back?) to the name of your box.  I 
didn't even know I had this file, but I see that I do.  Did 
exim create it?

> 
> > I'll tell you what I've done on my system, which is a 
> > standalone machine at home used almost exclusively by me but 
> > occasionally for e-mail by other members of my family.  It 
> > may be a stupid way to do it, but it works all right for us:
> > 
> > 1: Set up a different user for each fragment of my fractured
> > persona (one of them being thought of as the main user) and
> > each family member.  Every e-mail address has its own user.
> 
> Done that!
> 
> > 2: Put a line in exim.conf's rewrite configuration for each 
> > user.
> 
> Done that!
> 
> > 3: Write a .fetchmailrc for each user, and a .fetchmailrc 
> > for the main user including all the individual e-mail 
> > addresses.
> 
> Now why would I do that?  I setup up one persona as the master
> non-root "fetchmailer".
> 
> > If I want to send or fetch mail from or for a particular 
> > address, I log in as that user.  If I want to fetch mail 
> > from all addresses, I do it as the main user.
> > 
> > Would such a setup solve your problem?
> 
> By large exim works.  The problem is with localhost.invalid.
> What do I replace it with?
> 
> 
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Re: Using an IDE CD-writer via scsi emulation

[Derek Chew En-Hock]

Hello Otto,

I don't know how much this will help, but these are the exact steps I
used to get my IDE CDRW working in debian... maybe you can run down
these step again and see whether you missed anything?

1) Add SCSI Emulation support by running 'modconf' and selecting the
'ide-scsi' module
2) Add 'append="hdc=ide-scsi"' to the correct kernel image section
under the Kernel Command line options in lilo.conf
e.g. image=/vmlinuz
 label=Linux
 read-only
 append="hdc=ide-scsi"
3) Run 'lilo' to verify lilo.conf settings and to effect changes
4) Reboot and verify that /dev/scd0 can be mounted.
5) Change fstab to mount /dev/scd0 instead of the typical mount point
for the CDRW

Monday, November 10, 2003, 4:53:51 AM, you wrote:
OW> I knew I could read and write CD's on my system but I lost it during my
OW> upgrades about a year ago. I remember when I switched the system I
OW> couldn't write CD and I had documented the "hdd=ide-scsi". But after
OW> changeing lilo.conf I can't read CD's anymore. So I looked into the
OW> CD-Writing-Howto but it didn't help.

OW> When I try to mount a CD it complains scd0 isn't a block device. And it
OW> neither works with the old link of cdrom->hdd. I also remember the
OW> solution I had before didn't need to change the link I always used
cdrom->>hdd.

OW> O. Wyss

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Re: fetchmail problem

[Richard Hector]

> > > On Sun, Nov 09, 2003 at 11:27:59AM +0100, David Jardine wrote:
> > > > On Sun, Nov 09, 2003 at 03:01:45PM +1300, Paul William wrote:
> > > > > Hi
> > > > > 
> > > > > I am running fetchmail on woody. I want fetchmail to get mail from a
> > > > > pop3 account and deliver to mail to two local accounts. I want both to
> > > > > receive all the mail - not multi-drop. Can this be done?
> > > > 
> > > > If there's no other way, you could always fetch it twice:
> > > > 
> > > > user james pass pass1 is jim here keep
> > > > user henry pass pass2 is harry here

I would have thought you could just fetch it once, and deliver it to an
alias:

user henry pass pass2 is both here

and in /etc/aliases:

both: jim harry

Untested, and I'm not that familiar with fetchmail; fetchmailconf did
mine IIRC :-)

Richard


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Re: kde in "testing" ?

[John Peter]

Arnt Karlsen wrote:

On Sun, 9 Nov 2003 15:28:30 -0900, 
Greg Madden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
 

On Sunday 09 November 2003 02:55 pm, stan wrote:

   

Am I mistaken?
 

It depends, do you have KDE 2.x installed, or some other backport ? If
so KDE 3 went into testing about a week ago and will replace any
existing KDE install. I don't know why it wants to remove as opposed
to upgrade, not enough info.
   

..this happened to me, upon trying out dselect, aptitude, synaptic etc,
I found my system pretty confusing, as these 3 and apt-get differed on
what I wanted done.  ;-)
 

I also noticed some strange behavior on aptitude but decided to try it 
anyway.
I just took the care of doing it on the terminal and shuted down kde and X .
With an apt-get dist-upgrade all went well and kde3.1.4 is running fine 
, all
was properlly replaced and configurations are mantained .

John

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split large files

[Jens Tobiska]

When using `split' (textutils 2.0-12) to split a large file (4.2G) I've
found an inconsistency. The original file consists of number - one per
line - total 5*10^8. After `split -l 1000 foo' I have 50 files. In
some of them, however a dot has been replaced by `<'.

Is this a known problem? `foo' has been created in Windows if that
makes a difference.

Thank you for any suggestions
Jens


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G550 and 3D acceleration

[Piers Kittel]

Hello all

Does anyone know how to enable 3D acceleration / Open GL for my Matrox 
G550 AGP using Debian?

Thanks very much for your help in advance

Cheers - Piers

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[Fwd: Re: Gaim needs kernel-headers ?]

[John Peter]

--- Begin Message ---
On Sun, Nov 09, 2003 at 02:45:37PM +, John Peter wrote:
> Hello all
> 
> I would like to understand why, if someone has the time to explain it ...
> 
> I have Sarge and 2.4.22 kernel ( installed and configured by me from 
> sources).
> I allready had installed gaim_0.72-1 wich was compiled from sources and a
> .deb produced with Checkinstall .
> No kernel headers where needed - perhaps because it was built against 
> the installed
> kernel?
> Now I removed (purged) the installed version, changed the distro in 
> sources.list to
> sid and installed the very same version of gaim but it installed 
> linux-kernel-headers
> for the 2.5.999 version - does this just mean it was built with this 
> kernel ?And does
> it really need them ( the headers) ?

Gaim depends on libc6 - libc6 in sid now depends on the package currenty
known as linux-kernel-headers. The 'odd-looking' version number doesn't
need to match your running kernel because this package contains private
headers for libc6, which originated from the kernel; rather than
anything tied to the kernel you are running.

Some people are currently debating whether or not calling this package
linux-kernel-headers is too confusing.

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Re: G550 and 3D acceleration

[Marc Wilson]

On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 10:36:15AM +, Piers Kittel wrote:
> Does anyone know how to enable 3D acceleration / Open GL for my Matrox 
> G550 AGP using Debian?

Sure.  Make sure that whatever kernel you're using has support built for
it, load the module, and start up X.  Make sure you're loading the dri
module.

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Using dselect and apt - urgent

[Mike Simpson]

Hi, sorry to bother you with probably a very stupid 
question, but here goes.
We have our website (aidu.mod.uk) now on our own 
webserver for the past 8 months.
I use dselect to get updates for our system, 
however in all the months we have not had an update.
I downloaded from the debian site info on dselect 
and noticed the bit on proxy servers, thinking that this is preventing the 
update from working I entered the following command to set the environment 
variables.
# export 
http_proxy=http://gateway:3128/ 
I replaced gateway with aws which is the name of our web server.
# 
dselect   
To start the update process
 
When it got to the [U] stage it tried to connect to 
the aws ip address and could not connect then timed out.
 
I now think I have made a mistake by setting this 
variable and probable need to reset it.
 
Q1 what do I reset it to and how?
Q2 why are the update not working? I am sure that 
in the past 8 months there have been updates
 
we do use squid as our proxy server
 
I use the default address to get the updates 
from
http://http.us.debian/org/debian 
stable main contrib non-free
 
system info from setup floppies that came with the 
system initially
debian, linux 2.4.18
debian 3.0 (woody) (bf 2.4)
 
Sorry to sound like such amateurs, but our training 
was minimal, just enough to get by.
 
Many thanks
Mike Simpson

Re: RAID Failure

[Danie Roux]

On Sun, Nov 09, 2003 at 04:29:30AM -0800, Alvin Oga wrote:
> > However
> > 
> > \-> cat /proc/mdstat
> > Personalities : [raid1]
> > read_ahead 1024 sectors
> > md1 : active raid1 hdc1[1] hda1[0]
> >   305088 blocks [2/2] [UU]
> > resync=DELAYED
> > md0 : active raid1 hdc3[1] hda3[0]
> >   194000832 blocks [2/2] [UU]
> >   [>]  resync =  1.9% (3862080/194000832)
> > finish=82.4min speed=38421K/sec
> > unused devices: 
> > 
> > Why is the array rebuilding?
> 
> because you told it to use raid1 mirror  and it thinks 
> it needs to resync both disks .. and itshould take
> about 82.4 min to finish resyncing the data
> 
> consider yourself lucky its working
> 
> dont write any data to your disks ... while its resyncing

Are you dead sure about this last sentence?

Cause I've done this before and once with 5G worth of data, no problem.

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Installing packages from source with apt

[Vincent Lefevre]

What is the best way to compile and install packages from source with
apt?

I don't want to use "dpkg -i" once the packages are built (as suggested
in the how-to) since dpkg doesn't check dependencies and may break the
system (it did in the past...).

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ppp slow on home build kernel

[Martijn Brouwer]

I have a laptop that has a 56k6 pcmcia modem and runs debian testing. PPP does work, 
but when I use an 2.4.22 kernel that I compiled myself, the connection is very slow: 
only 1.5 kbyte/s for a compressed file. If I use a standard 2.4.22 debian kernel, I 
get 3.5 kbyte/s, which is still somewhat slow.

I compiled the following kernel options as modules: CONFIG_PPP, CONFIG_PPP_ASYNC, 
CONFIG_PPP_DEFLATE en CONFIG_PPP_BSDCOMP. When I dial in with me new kernel, the 
following modules are loaded:

ppp_deflate 3544   0  (autoclean)
zlib_inflate   18564   0  (autoclean) [ppp_deflate]
zlib_deflate   18648   0  (autoclean) [ppp_deflate]
bsd_comp4376   0  (autoclean)
ppp_async   7744   1  (autoclean)
ppp_generic16484   3  (autoclean) [ppp_deflate bsd_comp ppp_async]
slhc5248   1  (autoclean) [ppp_generic]
serial_cs   5300   0  (unused)
ds  7028   2  [serial_cs]
yenta_socket   10848   2 
pcmcia_core41280   0  [serial_cs ds yenta_socket]

If I use the standard debian kernel, zlib_inflate is not loaded, but I do not think 
one extra module will hurt. My ppp options file looks like this:

asyncmap 0
auth
crtscts
lock
hide-password
modem
debug
proxyarp
lcp-echo-interval 30
lcp-echo-failure 4
noipx

An extra deflate 15,12 option makes no difference.
Here is finally my ppp log file:

Nov  6 20:32:02 kastanje pppd[541]: kernel does not support PPP filtering
Nov  6 20:32:02 kastanje kernel: PPP BSD Compression module registered
Nov  6 20:32:02 kastanje kernel: PPP Deflate Compression module registered
Nov  6 20:32:02 kastanje pppd[541]: sent [CCP ConfReq id=0x1  
 ]
Nov  6 20:32:02 kastanje pppd[541]: sent [IPCP ConfReq id=0x1  
  ]
Nov  6 20:32:02 kastanje pppd[541]: rcvd [IPCP ConfReq id=0x1  
]
Nov  6 20:32:02 kastanje pppd[541]: sent [IPCP ConfAck id=0x1  
]
Nov  6 20:32:03 kastanje pppd[541]: rcvd [LCP ProtRej id=0x1 80 fd 01 01 00 0f 1a 04 
78 00 18 04 78 00 15 03 2f]
Nov  6 20:32:03 kastanje pppd[541]: rcvd [IPCP ConfNak id=0x1  
 ]
Nov  6 20:32:03 kastanje pppd[541]: sent [IPCP ConfReq id=0x2  
  ]
Nov  6 20:32:03 kastanje pppd[541]: rcvd [IPCP ConfAck id=0x2  
  ]

>From line 4 I conclude that pppd does trie to negotiate deflate compression, but in 
>the aswers I don't see anything about deflate.
When I remove the bsd_comp and/or zlib_inflate modules the download speed is not 
affected, so the are proably not used even though the are loaded.
I hope somebody can help me with this tough problem: it took me already two evenings.

Martijn Brouwer


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Re: split large files

[Ron Johnson]

On Mon, 2003-11-10 at 04:28, Jens Tobiska wrote:
> When using `split' (textutils 2.0-12) to split a large file (4.2G) I've
> found an inconsistency. The original file consists of number - one per
> line - total 5*10^8. After `split -l 1000 foo' I have 50 files. In
> some of them, however a dot has been replaced by `<'.
> 
> Is this a known problem? `foo' has been created in Windows if that
> makes a difference.

I think I'd go in with a binary editor and see if the underlying
data has changed.

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Re: RAID Failure

[Alvin Oga]

hi ya danie

On Mon, 10 Nov 2003, Danie Roux wrote:

> > > md0 : active raid1 hdc3[1] hda3[0]
> > >   194000832 blocks [2/2] [UU]
> > >   [>]  resync =  1.9% (3862080/194000832)
> > > finish=82.4min speed=38421K/sec

...

> > dont write any data to your disks ... while its resyncing
> 
> Are you dead sure about this last sentence?
> 
> Cause I've done this before and once with 5G worth of data, no problem.

if you write data whiles its resyncing, that data is not yet raid'd
and lots of the other 82.4 minutes worth of data is also NOT raided..

if either disk dies while resyncing, you might lose all that data...

if you keep writing large data files, while its resyncing,
it will take that much longer to resync ..

you don't want to be too far out of sync for too long ... 
- get faster disks or spread the orig data across multiple raid
boxes (it's unlikely that both raid boxes die at the same time)
- adding more disks wont help, it'd just take that much
more time to write the data to the new disks

c ya
alvin


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Re: Motherboard ASUS a7v600: is anybody using this?

[Ron Johnson]

On Sun, 2003-11-09 at 12:49, Hanasaki JiJi wrote:
> Could I ask about the complete specs and costs of what you put together? 
>   I have been eye'ing the Asus A7V600 also.  These are the parts I was 
> looking at.. Off www.newegg.com
> 
> $130  SAPPHIRE ATI RADEON 9600 256MB 8X AGP
>   But sarge has xfree 4.2 and 4.3 is needed for readeon
> $210  AMD ATHLON XP 3000 "Barton" 400MHz FSB OEM
>   What is needed for an OEM
>   Suggestions on a Fan?  What is "grease"?

When you insert the fan & heat exchanger (metal block with radi-
ator fins) onto the CPU, the seating won't be absolutely perfect.
Thus, there will be little air pockets, which are not good for
transferring heat from the CPU.

Thermal grease fills in those little pockets, making heat transfer
much more efficient.

>   It would be a waste to get the kt600 and not get
>   a cpu that can do fsb400
>   How large of a power supply?
>   2 x 200GB WD harddrives

Remember that early versions of 2.4 (and all of 2.2) won't see
the whole 200GB.

In fact, those early versions of fdisk & cfdisk might even puke
when trying to partition those 48 bit LBA disks.

> $220  2 x KINGSTON KVR400X64C25/512 512MB 400MHz
>   The board max's at 1 gig :(

Really?  Blech.

> Is the ethernet only Gigabit?  My network is all 10/100.
> 
> The plan was to boot and install the minimum from woody then upgrade to 
> sarge and get kernel 2.4.22 (newest as of 11/9/2003)
> 
> Any thoughts, input, advise, suggestions?
> 
> Thanks so much!
> 
> Albert Dengg wrote:
> > Hi
> > 
> > I'm using this mobo with linux just fine.
> > the network chipset works with the syskonnect driver...depending on the
> > kernel version you may have to update it with the patch from
> > http://www.syskonnect.com/syskonnect/support/driver/htm/sk98lin.htm
> > to support the card though...
> > 
> > with the sata drivers you seem to have 2 options for debian:
> > one hack for the default ide driver
> > and a patch for libata to support it through scsi emulation (this seems
> > to be better ...it is included in 2.6.0-test9 so it seems to be better
> > for the future)
> > patch for 2.4: http://lkml.org/lkml/2003/8/29/105
> > 
> > both seem to work from report from others..and they load fine, but I
> > don't have SATA drives to test with...but be aware: no raid...only linux
> > software raid...
> > 
> > USB(also USB2) works fine
> > 
> > agpgart works fine (I only can test agp 4x since I only own a GF4 and
> > with linux 2.4 agp 8x is not supported anyway from what I gather)
> > 
> > I have not tested sound since I use a SB Audigy...
> > 
> > One last thing:
> > the ide controller is supported after 2.4.21 I think...before it is only
> > pio mode...
> > 
> > I hope I have not forgot anything usefull...
> > 
> > yours,
> > Albert Dengg
> > 
> > On Sun, 9 Nov 2003 16:37:29 +1000
> > Alan Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >>I have ordered this motherboard, with 3c940 Gigabit ethernet (with a
> >>"Linux" driver on the ASUS website(?!)); and AD1850 "AC'97" etc.)
> >>sound. I would appreciate hearing about any issues people have
> >>encountered.  
> >>
> >>Thanks for any advice.  I would like to be prepared before burying my
> >>head in the sand...
> >>
> >>Alan 
> > 
> > ...
> > 

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gnome root window (background) image?

[John M Flinchbaugh]

what sets the background image in sid's gnome?  i set it in the
background dialog found under desktop preferences menu, but
it never takes affect.  i end up resorting to running chbg in
session startup programs.

i have another machine though that does the background just fine
with the one in preferences.  what am i missing on my broken
machine?  thanks.
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Re: split large files

[Jens Tobiska]

On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 07:19:46AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On Mon, 2003-11-10 at 04:28, Jens Tobiska wrote:
> > When using `split' (textutils 2.0-12) to split a large file (4.2G) I've
> > found an inconsistency. The original file consists of number - one per
> > line - total 5*10^8. After `split -l 1000 foo' I have 50 files. In
> > some of them, however a dot has been replaced by `<'.
> > 
> > Is this a known problem? `foo' has been created in Windows if that
> > makes a difference.
> 
> I think I'd go in with a binary editor and see if the underlying
> data has changed.
> 
I'm not sure if I understand you correctly. As I wrote, in some of the
50 files the data has changed (2 files, one number changed in each).

Why should I use a BINARY editor? It's all ASCII.


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Re: Installing modem.

[Hoyt Bailey]

- Original Message - 
From: "Kent West" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "debian-user" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 22:37
Subject: Re: Installing modem.


> Hoyt Bailey wrote:
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "Jesse Meyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "debian-user" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 11:52
> > Subject: Re: Installing modem.
> >
> > Your output and mine agree except as follows:
> > Yours:ttyS04 at port 0x7feo (IRQ = 10) is a 16550A
> > Mine:  ttyS04 at port 0xd000 (IRQ  = 19) is a 16550A
>
>
> Which means you're modem is on Com5, IRQ 10. You should be able to set
> this in /etc/wvdial.conf, or if you run pon/poff, pppconfig should give
> you an option to type in /dev/ttyS04.
>
> -- 
> Kent
>
The problem is the(Mine) not the (Your).  The (Your) works.  How do you
translate 0x7fe0 to Com5? A doc ref would help.
Regards;
Hoyt



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Re[2]: No to wine!

[Alexander Moiseev]

Hello Roberto,

Sunday, November 9, 2003, 2:08:44 PM, you wrote:

>> 4. Wine. The crutch this is absolutely right, but right now that's the
>> only way to play Windows-only games on Linux. And the better it is, the
>> better we are for it.
>> 
RS> I can agree with this.

That's not right logic. Non of big amount of emulators can implement
overall WinAPI and DirectX. And will not in future I think. Using that
way emulators will always be a step or to behind - as a result modern
new-made games still will not run under it. Short example: I can run
say Heroes I under wine but... what about Heroes IV? - Shurely not.

>> By the way: want to support Linux gaming? Pre-order Doom 3 for linux!
>> 
>> 
RS> I don't want Doom.  I want a good castle-building strategy game.  Or
RS> maybe something like Pharaoh.  Enougn FPS's already.

Games now become more complicated even then operating system. And
thus they can be developed ONLY by expierenced companies for
years. You can say "look, Debian is developed by many people
around the world"  but any Linux distribution is a set of small
software components, ofcourse you can develop small part of it. But game
project must be fully integrated, optimized and also don't forget
about architectors' work. It can't be splitted in small parts. Just look at 
open-source "FlightGear"
and commercial "IL-2: Forgotten Battles" or "Fly! 2". Fill the
difference...

And my opinion is that Linux misses standartized toolkit for any side
of developing in order for me to simply get binary of game from CD
and run it. NO! I HAVEN'T much time to observe huge readme to find
out missed library (or compilation option or whatever)and then search for it if 
it's already packed
for my distribution and has required version and/or after
installation dependencies will not become broken or anything else
that can make me mad.
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Re: G550 and 3D acceleration

[Piers Kittel]

Hello,

Sure.  Make sure that whatever kernel you're using has support built for
it, load the module, and start up X.  Make sure you're loading the dri
module.
Strange - as I've got 2 graphics cards and 3 monitors, an el cheapo TNT2 
and the G550.  The desktop "on" the TNT2 shows OpenGL applications just 
fine, but the desktops "on" the G550 won't show OpenGL applications, 
also that Quake 3 just crashes on the G550, but runs fine on the TNT2.

Thanks very much for your help again

Cheers - Piers

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Re: split large files

[Ron Johnson]

On Mon, 2003-11-10 at 08:05, Jens Tobiska wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 07:19:46AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > On Mon, 2003-11-10 at 04:28, Jens Tobiska wrote:
> > > When using `split' (textutils 2.0-12) to split a large file (4.2G) I've
> > > found an inconsistency. The original file consists of number - one per
> > > line - total 5*10^8. After `split -l 1000 foo' I have 50 files. In
> > > some of them, however a dot has been replaced by `<'.
> > > 
> > > Is this a known problem? `foo' has been created in Windows if that
> > > makes a difference.
> > 
> > I think I'd go in with a binary editor and see if the underlying
> > data has changed.
> > 
> I'm not sure if I understand you correctly. As I wrote, in some of the
> 50 files the data has changed (2 files, one number changed in each).
> 
> Why should I use a BINARY editor? It's all ASCII.

Oh, ok.  I didn't know if it was just the visual representation of
Windows-generated \r\n, since Unix uses \n as line terminator.

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Re: gnome root window (background) image?

[Mark Roach]

On Mon, 2003-11-10 at 08:51, John M Flinchbaugh wrote:
> what sets the background image in sid's gnome?  i set it in the

Nautilus.

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Re: got my woody working, wanted to upgrade, already ruined my system

[David Millet]

thank you very very much to everybody that has helped me out with my 
upgrade problems, i'm going to give all your advice a try this morning.  
should be fun!

david

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Re: parted: "rather strange layout"

[Kjetil Kjernsmo]

On Monday 03 November 2003 23:10, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
> Hi all!
>
> I partitioned my new disk with parted. Runs great.
>
> However, when I run parted on it now he comes up with:
>
> No Implementation: This ext2 filesystem has a rather strange layout!
> Parted can't resize this (yet).

I'm interested in this too, so I went looking a bit, and there are many 
people citing this message in the parted mailing list archives, but 
AFAICS no responses.

> So you can do anything else, no resizing.

Yeah, well, I don't know if that is exactly the point, but according to 
the GNU parted homepage, parted can only resize ext2, ext3 and reiserFS 
partitions if the starting point remains fixed... I guess that's rarely 
very useful, because in many cases, there is another partition 
immediately following the first partition... That's how it is in my 
case anyway. 

There are probably intentions of fixing this some time, but right now, 
it seems like the only thing those of us who are not great hackers can 
do is wait patiently.

Best,

Kjetil
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Re: Using an IDE CD-writer via scsi emulation

[Daniel B.]

Derek Chew En-Hock wrote:
> ...
> 1) Add SCSI Emulation support by running 'modconf' and selecting the
> 'ide-scsi' module
> 2) Add 'append="hdc=ide-scsi"' to the correct kernel image section
> under the Kernel Command line options in lilo.conf
> e.g. image=/vmlinuz
>  label=Linux
>  read-only
>  append="hdc=ide-scsi"
> 3) Run 'lilo' to verify lilo.conf settings and to effect changes
> 4) Reboot and verify that /dev/scd0 can be mounted.
> 5) Change fstab to mount /dev/scd0 instead of the typical mount point
> for the CDRW

You can also use "cdrecord -scanbus" to scan the emulated SCSI bus
to confirm that it exists and that your drive is seen.

Daniel



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Need to resolve booting problem

[Parfait BINI]

Good morning Sir,
My name's Parfait BINI, I got  a boot problem with my computer. I had a new RAM for playing Playstation games,when I start by Win98 iI don't have no problem but when I start by WindowsXP it shows me an error of imcompatibility. I've remove this RAM and since this day ,I no more use my slot extension and I can start my computer with my Sound card and network card. Please give INformation to resolve that. Hoping to hear from you soon.Thanks.
Parfait BINILèche-vitrine ou lèche-écran ? Yahoo! Magasinage.

Is it possible to retach a process to a new terminal?

[Chema]

I often would find useful to stole the process from a tty wich is in a remote box, or 
to be able to see the output of a nohup'ed command, or to recuperate the process of a 
ssh session that got an abruptly end.

Is there a way to relocate a process in a new terminal?  Like "screen -d -r", but 
without screen =)

Anyway, I'm trying to screen anything I do now ;-)


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Re: G550 and 3D acceleration

[moseley]

On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 02:18:44PM +, Piers Kittel wrote:

> Strange - as I've got 2 graphics cards and 3 monitors, an el cheapo TNT2 
> and the G550.  The desktop "on" the TNT2 shows OpenGL applications just 
> fine, but the desktops "on" the G550 won't show OpenGL applications, 

I've got a G550 with two VGA monitors and I can only show OpenGL 
applications on the primary head.[1]


[1] That's what I remember -- I'm away from that machine right now.


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Setting up a new Debian system. X and Gnome, no KDE

[Paul E Condon]

I'm setting up a new computer. I've installed Debian before, but
it has never gone completely smoothly, i.e. with a minimum of
commands typed, and zero steps re-done. I have a set of CDs.

This time I'd like to install base system, X-windows, and Gnome,
but *not* KDE. It seems to me that using dselect to select just
a few gnome packages should pull in all the packages that I need.
What is the minimal set of packages to select to get it all by
way of dependencies?

Second, more general question: the dependency links in debian
form a directed graph. Presumably, it is acyclic. That implies
that the graph contains root, interior and leaf nodes. Is their
some program which displays just the root nodes? It would be
useful answering my first question. 

TIA

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Re: Is it possible to retach a process to a new terminal?

[moseley]

On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 09:01:18AM -0600, Chema wrote:
> I often would find useful to stole the process from a tty wich is in a remote box, 
> or to be able to see the output of a nohup'ed command, or to recuperate the process 
> of a ssh session that got an abruptly end.
> 
> Is there a way to relocate a process in a new terminal?  Like "screen -d -r", but 
> without screen =)

And a tag-along question: is there anyway to do that with X?


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Problem with samba & win2k dfs

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Absolute newbie, till yesterday I was able to connect my debian 3.0 testing client
box to a windows 2000 fileserver share modifying the boxed smb.conf accordingly.
Now, the computer people at my office set up a dfs win2k box and my
linux client is no longer able to access the share, that is, I connect
to the dfs fileserver through username and password, I can see the
directories, but can't go deep into them, in a nutshell I can't reach
the *real* fileserver.

My question is:

What options should I modify/add to my smb.conf to access a win2k dfs
fileserver from my beloved linux box?

Ciao Vittorio



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Re: Installing packages from source with apt

[David Z Maze]

Vincent Lefevre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> What is the best way to compile and install packages from source with
> apt?
>
> I don't want to use "dpkg -i" once the packages are built (as suggested
> in the how-to) since dpkg doesn't check dependencies and may break the
> system (it did in the past...).

dpkg does *check* dependencies, it just doesn't go out of its way to
*correct* them.  That is, dpkg shouldn't let you install a package if
its dependencies aren't already installed.  If you never use a --force
option and your packages work, it should be pretty hard to break your
system using 'dpkg --install'.

One useful alternative might be to install the package using APT (so
you pick up the dependencies), then recompile it from source and
install it using 'dpkg --install'.

> Vincent Lefèvre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - Web:  - 100%
> validated (X)HTML - Acorn Risc PC, Yellow Pig 17, Championnat International

(I was at HCSSiM in 17*117+4...  :-)

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Portable shell scripts

[csj]

Is there a way to write portable shell scripts.  In particular,
I've problems with built-ins setenv (tcsh) and export (bash).
How do I define variables in tcsh and have them usable in bash
too?


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Re: XMMS without X?

[csj]

On Sat, 08 Nov 2003 19:22:08 -0500,
Bijan Soleymani wrote:
> 
> On Sat, Nov 08, 2003 at 04:02:07PM -0800, Tom wrote:
> 
> > Anyway, it bugs me to have my music stop when I leave X.  Is
> > there way to run XMMS without X?  Something in the spirit of
> > abcde (the coolest wrapper in the world)?
> 
> There's no way to run xmms without X. Witness the "X" in the
> name :) But this is something that could be fixed. You should
> probably report it as a wishlist type bug.
> 
> If you want a solution now you might want to look at xvfb. It's
> an xserver that doesn't actually display anything (it uses a
> "virtual" framebuffer).

But you can't switch xservers on the fly, or can you (the OP
doesn't want the music to stop)?

For xmms alternatives, I'd recommend alsaplayer is a music player
that can run without X, (package "alsaplayer-text").  It can even
play CD's thru digital extraction (without your sound card being
physically cabled to your cdrom drive).  And no it doesn't
require alsa to run.


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Re: "Red Hat recommends Windows for consumers"

[Mike Mueller]

On Sunday 09 November 2003 03:48, Karsten M. Self wrote:
> See:
>
>     http://twiki.iwethey.org/Main/FreeSoftwarePrimer
>
> Both standards *and* free software matter.

Nice link - thanks.  I've been looking for something like this but I didn't 
know how to ask for it. I've read some things on the list and can't wait to 
read through the others.

I hope to be enlightened concerning open software economics.  For example, 
borrowing a topic from a thread that was forked from this thread - gaming.  

The conclusions I draw with my current understanding of economics and 
technology are that native-Linux gaming will not thrive until there is a 
standard Linux gaming system configuration and if that happens, some good 
games will be closed-source-not-free-as-in-beer.  The OSS community values 
diversity and adapts to it.  Commercial concerns are learning how to do this 
and hopefully they will not wreck the community of individuals as they 
stumble around.  I doubt that the set of useful closed source software will 
empty for quite a while.  I believe that closed source software native to an 
OSS environment is economically necessary and it increases the value of the 
OSS environment despite its potential and hidden evils.

BTW, more on-topic, IBM, in a not too surprising turn of events, says Linux 
on the desktop makes sense in lots of situations.  IBM undertands that most 
people only read or listen to headlines.  RH, hopefully now understands this 
important fact of PR.
http://news.com.com/2100-7344_3-5104650.html?tag=nefd_top
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Re: Installing modem.

[Kent West]

Hoyt Bailey wrote:
- Original Message - 
From: "Kent West" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Your output and mine agree except as follows:
Yours:ttyS04 at port 0x7feo (IRQ = 10) is a 16550A
Mine:  ttyS04 at port 0xd000 (IRQ  = 19) is a 16550A


Which means you're modem is on Com5, IRQ 10. You should be able to set
this in /etc/wvdial.conf, or if you run pon/poff, pppconfig should give
you an option to type in /dev/ttyS04.
The problem is the(Mine) not the (Your).  The (Your) works.  How do you
translate 0x7fe0 to Com5? A doc ref would help.
I don't; I translate the "ttyS4" as COM5. I thought I had written this 
before, but perhaps it was in another thread, or it didn't make it 
through; you subtract one from whatever value Windows labels the COM 
port. If Windows calls it COM1, then in Linux it'd be 0, or more 
accurately, /dev/ttyS0; COM4 in Windows would be /dev/ttyS3 in Linux. (I 
believe I (and someone else) miswrote above, by adding a zero in the 
name; it should be /dev/ttyS4, not /dev/ttyS04, but not having used a 
serial port in ages, I'm not for certain.)

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Re: Using dselect and apt - urgent

[David Z Maze]

"Mike Simpson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> 1.  (*) text/plain  ( ) text/html   

(Please set your mailer to post in plain text only, and wrap lines at
72 characters.  And don't include the word "urgent" in your subject
line; everyone's question is "urgent" in some form or another.)

> We have our website (aidu.mod.uk) now on our own webserver for the
> past 8 months.  I use dselect to get updates for our system, however
> in all the months we have not had an update.

What APT sources are you using?  Do you have the security.debian.org
line in it?  (See http://www.debian.org/security/.)  Otherwise, you'll
only get updates when a new point release of Debian stable is
released, which is fairly infrequent.

> I downloaded from the debian site info on dselect and noticed the
> bit on proxy servers, thinking that this is preventing the update
> from working I entered the following command to set the environment
> variables.

Is your site actually using a proxy server?  If dselect was working
before (you could update and see a list of packages without getting
errors) then you're probably not, and you don't need to set this.  If
you are, you should be able to get that information from your network
administrator.

> I now think I have made a mistake by setting this variable and
> probable need to reset it.
>
> Q1 what do I reset it to and how?

'unset http_proxy' should do it, as would logging out and logging in
again.

> I use the default address to get the updates from
> http://http.us.debian/org/debian stable main contrib non-free

Are you actually in the US?  Your email address suggests not; you
might get better performance by using a nearer mirror, like

  deb http://www.uk.debian.org/debian stable main

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Re: Portable shell scripts

[Colin Watson]

On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 07:15:56AM +0800, csj wrote:
> Is there a way to write portable shell scripts.  In particular,
> I've problems with built-ins setenv (tcsh) and export (bash).
> How do I define variables in tcsh and have them usable in bash
> too?

I don't believe you can write anything useful in a way portable to both
Bourne-style shells and the C shell; they're incompatible. I suggest
ignoring the C shell for scripting and using /bin/sh.

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Re: fetchmail problem

[David Jardine]

On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 10:42:29PM +1300, Richard Hector wrote:
> > > > On Sun, Nov 09, 2003 at 11:27:59AM +0100, David Jardine wrote:
> > > > > On Sun, Nov 09, 2003 at 03:01:45PM +1300, Paul William wrote:
> > > > > > Hi
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I am running fetchmail on woody. I want fetchmail to get mail from a
> > > > > > pop3 account and deliver to mail to two local accounts. I want both to
> > > > > > receive all the mail - not multi-drop. Can this be done?
> > > > > 
> > > > > If there's no other way, you could always fetch it twice:
> > > > > 
> > > > > user james pass pass1 is jim here keep
> > > > > user henry pass pass2 is harry here
> 
> I would have thought you could just fetch it once, and deliver it to an
> alias:
> 
> user henry pass pass2 is both here
> 
> and in /etc/aliases:
> 
> both: jim harry
> 
> Untested, and I'm not that familiar with fetchmail; fetchmailconf did
> mine IIRC :-)

Yes, much more sensible.  Actually it should be 

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Re: Installing modem.

[Aaron W. Hsu]

I have come into this thread pretty late, but from what I understand,
you are trying to get a modem to work.  It's a PCI modem, and you can
see it mentioned in the kernel as ttyS04.  The problem, as I see it,
is that you can't get the modem to respond to any calls from any
programs?

If I understand this all correctly, I had a horrible time with this
a while back with another computer, where I could get the PCI modem
automatically recognized and used in RedHat, but in Debian I could get
nothing out of it.  Some wise user showed me how to fix this:

1. Use /dev/MAKEDEV to make the ttyS4 device in /dev, as your kernel
will normally not make it for you.

2. The device should now be available under that name, and you should
be able to use it freely in any system, you should probably also
symlink it to /dev/modem so that some dialer programs will work
properly.

I hope this helps, tell me if I misunderstand what you are trying to
do, and sorry if this was OT.

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Re: gtk background

[Rodney D. Myers]

On Sun, 9 Nov 2003 23:00:45 -0800
Marc Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Sun, Nov 09, 2003 at 08:23:22PM -0800, Rodney D. Myers wrote:
> > I had to re-install, and suddenly some of the GTKGTK2 based apps are
> > very "dark".
> 
> So set your GTK theme to a "brighter" one.  Use gtk-theme-switch if
> you don't know how to do it yourself.

Did not know about that. Not installed yet, but grabbing it now.

> > I've tried editing the ~/.gtkrc ~/.gtkrc-2.0.
> 
> I love clueless statements like this.  So you "edited" them, huh? 
> What did you do, add "MAKE MY SCREEN BRIGHTER!" to the two of them?

Changed the default theme(s) to ones that should be brighter ;-)
 
> Yes, yes, I'm so mean.  Well, what do you expect to be made of a
> statement like that?
> 

Yeah, but I'll know next time ;-)

Thanks

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Major network problems

[Jon Eisenstein]

Ever since a power outage this weekend, I have no 
internet access in my Linux box (which is used as a network router). Even local 
loopback isn't working. After testing with help from #debian, it seems that 
ifconfig is acting up. When I try to ifup -v lo, I get the following: 
ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1 up... ifconfig: only one address allowed for interface 
'lo'. Same thing happens for eth0 and eth1, but with the gateway and broadcast 
lines included as well. After any of these commands, and when I reboot (which 
usually cleared any problems) ifconfig lists absolutely nothing, and not even 
ping to localhost will work (connect: invalid argument). Anyone have any 
ideas?

nice

[Hoyt Bailey]

There was some discussion about nice -10 a few days ago and the question was
how to set nice.  The command is nice -10 .
Reference debian "reference".
In Linux:
nice:  Range -20 (Not nice) to 19 (Very nice)
In English:
Priority level: 1 to 39.

For whomever cares;
Hoyt



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a few Qs about debian's apt

[Woon Wai Keen @ doubleukay.com]

hi,

a friend of mine has some questions regarding debian. hope you guys could
help me answer them :)

1) does 'apt-get upgrade' upgrades:
i) the kernel,
ii) base apps
iii) local apps (/usr/local)

2) where does apt-get saves all it package information?

3) is there a way to just upgrade the local apps instead of all
local/kernel/base at the same time? if so what is the apt-get argument?

4) what do we do if we need to synchronize the package information manually,
say for some reason apt-get fails to include version information on newly
installed package; it's still using the old version although the package has
been overwritten by the latest version?

how do debian define non-base apps? in the bsds, non-base apps which is
called local apps are those not part of the vendor-approved base
distribution. for example, apache13 is part of openbsd 3.4 base system while
apache2 isn't so if were i to deploy apache2, it would be defined as local
apps and be place in /usr/local. apache13, as opposed, is placed in /usr.
getting back to debian, say for an application that is not part of debian
base distribution, how do we go about getting apt-get to upgrade them, or
does debian does not segregate the definitions of base/local apps? any
program, (say postfix) that is installed regardless whether it's in the
debian-cd or some other sites are always be defined as base apps or just
apps, am i right?

regards,
wK (www.doubleukay.com)


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Re: Major network problems

[Ron Johnson]

On Mon, 2003-11-10 at 11:02, Jon Eisenstein wrote:
> Ever since a power outage this weekend, I have no internet access in
> my Linux box (which is used as a network router). Even local loopback
> isn't working. After testing with help from #debian, it seems that
> ifconfig is acting up. When I try to ifup -v lo, I get the following:
> ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1 up... ifconfig: only one address allowed for
> interface 'lo'. Same thing happens for eth0 and eth1, but with the
> gateway and broadcast lines included as well. After any of these
> commands, and when I reboot (which usually cleared any problems)
> ifconfig lists absolutely nothing, and not even ping to localhost will
> work (connect: invalid argument). Anyone have any ideas?

Could the electric surge have whacked your hard disk?

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Re: parted: "rather strange layout"

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Kjetil Kjernsmo wrote:


I'm interested in this too, so I went looking a bit, and there are many 
people citing this message in the parted mailing list archives, but 
AFAICS no responses.


So you can do anything else, no resizing.


Yeah, well, I don't know if that is exactly the point, but according to 
the GNU parted homepage, parted can only resize ext2, ext3 and reiserFS 
partitions if the starting point remains fixed... I guess that's rarely 
very useful, because in many cases, there is another partition 
immediately following the first partition... That's how it is in my 
case anyway. 

There are probably intentions of fixing this some time, but right now, 
it seems like the only thing those of us who are not great hackers can 
do is wait patiently.



Damn, patience again. I am going to get the source and see exactly where 
that message "strange layout" comes from. Changing parted to do better 
will be too much but at least it will confirm that the message means you 
are trying to change the starting point of a resize request.

Hugo.


Best,

Kjetil


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Re: Installing packages from source with apt

[Vincent Lefevre]

On 2003-11-10 11:15:26 -0500, David Z Maze wrote:
> dpkg does *check* dependencies, it just doesn't go out of its way to
> *correct* them.  That is, dpkg shouldn't let you install a package if
> its dependencies aren't already installed.  If you never use a --force
> option and your packages work, it should be pretty hard to break your
> system using 'dpkg --install'.

I didn't use --force, but my system was broken by dpkg when upgrading
a package (because of dependencies on the versions). You can look at

  http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=208289

> One useful alternative might be to install the package using APT (so
> you pick up the dependencies), then recompile it from source and
> install it using 'dpkg --install'.

This won't prevent dpkg from breaking existing dependencies (see
bug 208289 for an example), as upgrading a package destroys the
old version.

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Which apt source to use for Evolution?

[Doug MacFarlane]

Team:

I'd like to run the lasest possible version of Evolution available for my
Debian Testing (Sarge) system.  What apt source should I use?  Google
reports multiple sources, none of which were familiar, and Ximian itself
appears to only have 1.2 available, when 1.4.5 is the current rev.

TIA 

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Re: 2 Server in leafnode

[Werner Mahr]

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> Check the Path headers in question, it varies and I forget what the
> deciding factors are.

Where or what are they?

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Re: Stable Debian == obsolete??

[Rob VanFleet]

On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 06:31:46PM -0600, Chema wrote:
> On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 21:01:49 +1100
> Rob Weir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> RW> > When I got to the boot loader options, I was surprised to find
> RW> > only lilo.  
> RW> 
> RW> You need a default bootloader during the install.  lilo works.  If
> RW> you don't like it, change it after the install.
> RW> 
> RW> > I was installing to /dev/hda9, guess in wich Gb is that!!
> [...]
> RW> Do you mean "grub"?  What benefits does grub have over lilo for the
> RW> initial boot of Debian?
> RW> 
> 
> Lilo can't boot from any place after the 2Gb, at least it couldn't the
> last time I used it, about a year and a half ago.  I don't know if
> they fixed it by now (don't think so), but most surely Woody's lilo
> can't do it.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but I just recently installed stable
onto a 10 gig partition that was at the end of a 40 gig drive.  lilo
worked fine.

Rob


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kernel-2.6.0-test9 & USB 2.0 Question

[Thomas H. George]

I purchased aSony USB DVD+R+RW and succesfully played a dvd movie but in 
spurts using an old system with only usb 1.0.

Next I upgraded the system with an Albatron KX400-8XV motherboard and an 
Athlon XP 2000+ cpu.  Same result.  My 2.4.22 kernel doesn't support USB 
2.0.

Downloaded kernel-source-2.6.0-test9 and built a new kernel with ehci 
support and uhci and ohci as modules.  The system boots up ok but 
streams messages to the first console that my usb devices (Epson printer 
and Sony DVD+R+RW) are not responding.  If I disconnect them the stream 
of messages stops and less /proc/bus/usb/devices reports the ehci 
controller.

Questions:

1.  Is the problem with the kernel-2.6.0-test9 and I should wait for the 
next patch
   or
   have I missed something which must be included in the new kernel
   or
   is the USB 2.0 support in the Albatron motherboard non-standard and 
not supported?

2. I have been in the habit of unpacking each new kernel-source in 
/usr/src and then moving it to /usr/src/linux after moving the previous 
kernel-source to /usr/src/linux-2.4.XX.  I know the README file has 
always advised against this but at one time I read that this advice was 
outdated and /usr/src/linux is the preferred location.  The README in 
the kernel-source-2.6.0-test9 warns that using /usr/src/linux will 
overwrite some needed headers.  What is the best practice?

Tom George

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hardware detection on i386

[tallison]

I haven't done an install on Debian for about 4 years now.

I recently played with a few other distriibutions and was impressed with
their ability to do hardware detection auth-magically for me.

I'm trying to get some feedback on how well Debian performs at being able
to detect (and configure) hardware thats on the existing system.  Right
now I don't care if this is on -stable or -unstable or wherever.
I would be nice if it was in the sarge disk-install project, but I'm
trying to be more open-minded then that.

Is there something that might be available post-install to clean up the
rough edges?

Specific areas that I'm concerned with are:
cd-rw devices
xconfiguration

And before anyone gets into a discussion about how to do this under the
current installation method (using debian 3.0/2.2 methods) please bear in
mind that I'm not asking how to do it.  I've done it many times in the
past.
Rather I'm asking if the method of doing it has changed in the non-stable
branches or is likely to change in the coming releases.

And now for my sob story:
I tried Suse 8.2 for about 2 months now and have come to the conclusion
that it makes a really excellent desktop installation.  Providing you
don't attempt to do anything they didn't anticipate or pre-define for you.
 This is a double edge sword -- you are up and running more than ever
before in an hour, but it takes days (if ever) to get anything else
running.

I also found that much of the software that I was concerned with (it's my
itch, OK?) was seriously out of date under SuSE 8.2 compared to my
installation of Debian (stable/testing).  Which I find ironic since
everyone gripes about how ancient Debian is.

For my needs and from my experiences, Debian makes for a better
mission-critical server than does SuSE.  As for the desktop it can be well
argued that once configured it doesn't really change (and hence no need
for really cool hdwe detection tools).
But I'm very curious if the hardware detection/configuration process has
made any headway.



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EpoX board + nvidia nforce2 chipset + DMA for EIDE controller

[e-bone]

Does anyone know the story on EIDE DMA support on nvidia nforce2 boards ?

I saw a kernel patch for this on the internet, but I'm just curious
if anyone has tried it ?

I am "stuck" using kernel 2.4.17 right now, so I am having to just go
with the vesa video driver (I'm not a big gamer anyways).
Fortunately the NIC and sound drivers compile for 2.4.17 w/o a problem.

I'm stuck w/ 2.4.17 because I can't get my ppdd encryption patch to work
with any later kernels. (I usually just give up if I get any rejects at
all, as I totally don't have any idea what I'm doing).

Any patches you would advice for this board to get it up to speed ?

My dmesg gives me something about the IDE controller not being
recognized. Should I just not worry about it ? Nothing bad has happened
yet, knock on wood. Except I occationally get a "spurious [EMAIL PROTECTED]@ IRQ 7".


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mplayer, ogle, unable to play DVD

[Sudarshana N Koushik]

Hi ppl,
   I have one CDR/W drive and one DVD drive. cdrecord -scanbus displays
the foll.
scsibus0:
0,0,0 0) 'LITE-ON ' 'LTR-32123S  ' 'XS0R' Removable CD-ROM
0,1,0 1) '  ATAPI ' '12X DVD-ROM ' '1.7B' Removable CD-ROM
I also have append="hdc=ide-scsi hdd=ide-scsi" in /etc/lilo.conf
(hdc=CDRW, hdd=DVD), and am loading the foll modules
sg 24732   0  (autoclean)
sr_mod 12016   2  (autoclean)
ide-scsi9040   1
ide-cd 28992   0
cdrom  28960   0  [sr_mod ide-cd]
scsi_mod   54668   3  [sg sr_mod ide-scsi]
I have absolutely no problem in writing CDs using the first drive. Using
the DVD drive I can mount data cds and listen to audio CDs, but completely
unable to play DVDs
mplayer produces the foll error.
Playing DVD title 1 (at which point the light in the drive blinks and
the DVD whirrs...but...)
libdvdread: Could not open device with libdvdcss.
libdvdread: Can't open /dev/dvd for reading
Couldn't open DVD device: /dev/dvd
(/dev/dvd is linked to /dev/scd1)

Can someone please point out as to what i'm doing wrong?
Thanks



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Re: a few Qs about debian's apt

[tallison]

> hi,
>
> a friend of mine has some questions regarding debian. hope you guys
> could help me answer them :)
>
> 1) does 'apt-get upgrade' upgrades:
> i) the kernel,
> ii) base apps
> iii) local apps (/usr/local)
>

I'm probably not an expert here, but...
apt-get upgrade will typically not upgrade the kernel.
base apps - yes
/usr/local apps, I doubt it will since I don't think there's any files
there that apt-get cares about.

> 2) where does apt-get saves all it package information?
>

Somewhere in /var.  Sorry for being stupidly vague, but I am not in front
of a Debian machine right now.  /var/apt?

> 3) is there a way to just upgrade the local apps instead of all
> local/kernel/base at the same time? if so what is the apt-get argument?
>

Not specifically.

If you want to have certain applications at different version levels you
can do this through the apt preferences file (man apt_preferences).  In
there you can set things in such a way as:

everything is -stable
except KDE* which is -testing
except apache is fixed to 1.3.27

this will allow you to run most/all of your system under the -stable
branch with the option that everything KDE goes to the -testing branch for
updates.  And apache is fixed to version 1.3.27 exactly.
A neat side effect of this is once you find a KDE version that is stable
and recent (assume something in -testing) you can "fix" your Debian system
to follow that version so that when it is moved into -stable, you stick
with it.  Similary, and more often the case, you can find something that
works in -unstable and lock in on that version until it's replaced by
something higher in -testing.

> 4) what do we do if we need to synchronize the package information
> manually, say for some reason apt-get fails to include version
> information on newly installed package; it's still using the old version
> although the package has been overwritten by the latest version?
>

Never had this happen myself so I can't help you there.

> how do debian define non-base apps? in the bsds, non-base apps which is
> called local apps are those not part of the vendor-approved base
> distribution. for example, apache13 is part of openbsd 3.4 base system
> while apache2 isn't so if were i to deploy apache2, it would be defined
> as local apps and be place in /usr/local. apache13, as opposed, is
> placed in /usr. getting back to debian, say for an application that is
> not part of debian base distribution, how do we go about getting apt-get
> to upgrade them, or does debian does not segregate the definitions of
> base/local apps? any program, (say postfix) that is installed regardless
> whether it's in the debian-cd or some other sites are always be defined
> as base apps or just apps, am i right?
>

A couple different options.
You can build your own deb package for apache2
or apache may have available "dummy packages" which means it claims to
satisfy the dependency without doing anything at all.  Kind of like a null
function.

HTH



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Re: Major network problems

[Kent West]

Jon Eisenstein wrote:
Ever since a power outage this weekend, I have no internet access in my 
Linux box (which is used as a network router). Even local loopback isn't 
working. After testing with help from #debian, it seems that ifconfig is 
acting up. When I try to ifup -v lo, I get the following: ifconfig lo 
127.0.0.1 up... ifconfig: only one address allowed for interface 'lo'. 
Same thing happens for eth0 and eth1, but with the gateway and broadcast 
lines included as well. After any of these commands, and when I reboot 
(which usually cleared any problems) ifconfig lists absolutely nothing, 
and not even ping to localhost will work (connect: invalid argument). 
Anyone have any ideas?


What does /etc/network/interfaces look like?



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kernel image install error

[Chris Knoblock]

hi all, wondering if anyone can help me with this one.
running unstable and trying to install
kernel-image-2.4.22-1-686 is giving me an error

ldd: /lib/ld.linux.so.2 exited with unknown exit code
(139)

Failed to create initrd image.

can anyone help with this? 


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Re: a few Qs about debian's apt

[Andreas Janssen]

Hello

Woon Wai Keen @ doubleukay.com (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:

> a friend of mine has some questions regarding debian. hope you guys
> could help me answer them :)
> 
> 1) does 'apt-get upgrade' upgrades:
> i) the kernel,

If the kernel was installed through package management it will be
upgraded if a security update is available. This happend some months
ago. However, one update made the new version incompatible to modules
compiled for the old version, so the package name was changed (e.g.
kernel-image-2.4.18-686 became kernel-image-2.4.18-1-686). In that case
the kernel was not upgraded automatically. The package management also
does not know about the installation kernel, although you can change
this by installing the package after installation. 

The package management will warn and ask you if the module direcotry of
some kernel image is to be overwritten and warn you if you are going to
replace the image for the kernel currently running.

I think apt will not automatically upgrade the kernel if the kernel
version number changes (e.g. from 2.4.21 to 2.4.22). 

> ii) base apps

Yes. (I assume that "base apps" only base apps installed through package
management)

> iii) local apps (/usr/local)

No. As far as I know packages in Debian don't install anything to
/usr/local, so it is left untouched.

> 2) where does apt-get saves all it package information?

Apt stores information on packages sources in /var/lib/apt/lists. Apt is
a frontend to dpkg, which stores information in /var/lib/dpkg.

> 3) is there a way to just upgrade the local apps instead of all
> local/kernel/base at the same time? if so what is the apt-get
> argument?

Local apps as in installed in /usr/local? See above.

> 4) what do we do if we need to synchronize the package information
> manually, say for some reason apt-get fails to include version
> information on newly installed package; it's still using the old
> version although the package has been overwritten by the latest
> version?

I don't know if that can happen, however in that case apt would think
the old version was still installed and try to upgrade it again, which
would probably solve the problem. Apt also has an reinstall option.

> how do debian define non-base apps? in the bsds, non-base apps which
> is called local apps are those not part of the vendor-approved base
> distribution. for example, apache13 is part of openbsd 3.4 base system
> while apache2 isn't so if were i to deploy apache2, it would be
> defined as local apps and be place in /usr/local. apache13, as
> opposed, is placed in /usr. getting back to debian, say for an
> application that is not part of debian base distribution, how do we go
> about getting apt-get to upgrade them, or does debian does not
> segregate the definitions of base/local apps?

If you install in manually in /usr/local (e.g. by compiling from source)
apt does not know about it and will leave it untouched. You can however
try to find some source for programs not included (or not included in a
recent version) in Debian that you can use through apt. See
 or  for more
information. Also note that Debian does not use a ports system like
FreeBSD does.

best regards
Andreas Janssen

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Re: Which apt source to use for Evolution?

[Ron Johnson]

On Mon, 2003-11-10 at 11:29, Doug MacFarlane wrote:
> Team:
> 
> I'd like to run the lasest possible version of Evolution available for my
> Debian Testing (Sarge) system.  What apt source should I use?  Google
> reports multiple sources, none of which were familiar, and Ximian itself
> appears to only have 1.2 available, when 1.4.5 is the current rev.

Grab the evo deb-src from Sid and see if it builds.

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Re: hardware detection on i386

[Ron Johnson]

On Mon, 2003-11-10 at 12:02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I haven't done an install on Debian for about 4 years now.
> 
> I recently played with a few other distriibutions and was impressed with
> their ability to do hardware detection auth-magically for me.
> 
> I'm trying to get some feedback on how well Debian performs at being able
> to detect (and configure) hardware thats on the existing system.  Right
> now I don't care if this is on -stable or -unstable or wherever.
> I would be nice if it was in the sarge disk-install project, but I'm
> trying to be more open-minded then that.
> 
> Is there something that might be available post-install to clean up the
> rough edges?
> 
> Specific areas that I'm concerned with are:
> cd-rw devices
> xconfiguration
[snip]
> For my needs and from my experiences, Debian makes for a better
> mission-critical server than does SuSE.  As for the desktop it can be well
> argued that once configured it doesn't really change (and hence no need
> for really cool hdwe detection tools).
> But I'm very curious if the hardware detection/configuration process has
> made any headway.

You may want to check out http://www.libranet.com.  The previous
version is available for free download, and an apt-get upgrade will
bring you to sarge/sid.

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Re: XMMS without X?

[Bijan Soleymani]

On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 07:01:33AM +0800, csj wrote:
> On Sat, 08 Nov 2003 19:22:08 -0500,
> Bijan Soleymani wrote:
> > 
> > On Sat, Nov 08, 2003 at 04:02:07PM -0800, Tom wrote:
> > 
> > > Anyway, it bugs me to have my music stop when I leave X.  Is
> > > there way to run XMMS without X?  Something in the spirit of
> > > abcde (the coolest wrapper in the world)?
> > 
> > There's no way to run xmms without X. Witness the "X" in the
> > name :) But this is something that could be fixed. You should
> > probably report it as a wishlist type bug.
> > 
> > If you want a solution now you might want to look at xvfb. It's
> > an xserver that doesn't actually display anything (it uses a
> > "virtual" framebuffer).
> 
> But you can't switch xservers on the fly, or can you (the OP
> doesn't want the music to stop)?

That's another program: xmove.

But I think he was just asking about running xmms without X.

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Re: kernel image install error

[Ron Johnson]

On Mon, 2003-11-10 at 12:46, Chris Knoblock wrote:
> hi all, wondering if anyone can help me with this one.
> running unstable and trying to install
> kernel-image-2.4.22-1-686 is giving me an error
> 
> ldd: /lib/ld.linux.so.2 exited with unknown exit code
> (139)
> 
> Failed to create initrd image.
> 
> can anyone help with this? 

Can you show us the whole command, with all messages?  Preferably
using:
# apt-get -u install kernel-image-2.4.22-1-686

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Re: a few Qs about debian's apt

[Eduard Bloch]

#include 
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Mon, Nov 10 2003, 01:30:50PM]:

> Somewhere in /var.  Sorry for being stupidly vague, but I am not in front
> of a Debian machine right now.  /var/apt?

/var/lib/apt

> > 3) is there a way to just upgrade the local apps instead of all
> > local/kernel/base at the same time? if so what is the apt-get argument?
> >
> 
> Not specifically.
> 
> If you want to have certain applications at different version levels you
> can do this through the apt preferences file (man apt_preferences).  In
> there you can set things in such a way as:
> 
> everything is -stable
> except KDE* which is -testing
> except apache is fixed to 1.3.27

It must also said that Pinning (=tricks with apt_preferences) should not
be used as long term solution since they invite trouble like security
holes because of missing upgrade strategy for Testing (last thing I
remember is libssl which was installed by people from
woody-proposed-upgrades or testing and which was not updated from the
standard security update repository by apt because of having a higher
version).

If you wish just the latest KDE, use the Repositories for Debian stable
from kde.org. If you need latest XFree, visit backports.org.

> > 4) what do we do if we need to synchronize the package information
> > manually, say for some reason apt-get fails to include version
> > information on newly installed package; it's still using the old version
> > although the package has been overwritten by the latest version?

The final step of the installation (unpacking and configuring) is not
done by apt, but by the dpkg which actually cares about such problems.
Normaly there are ways to fix half-broken installation. As user you can
either install a fixed version or remove the broken one. Sometimes you
may need the "--purge" switch to really remove all the configuration
leftovers.

> > how do debian define non-base apps? in the bsds, non-base apps which is
> > called local apps are those not part of the vendor-approved base
> > distribution. for example, apache13 is part of openbsd 3.4 base system
> > while apache2 isn't so if were i to deploy apache2, it would be defined

You mean so called source-based distributions, right? That is not
philosophy of Debian to force you to install every package from source
(even using half prepared source packages aka "ports"). You get
almost everything in binary form, including packages from the
base/important/standard/optional/extra priority levels.

> A couple different options.
> You can build your own deb package for apache2
> or apache may have available "dummy packages" which means it claims to
> satisfy the dependency without doing anything at all.  Kind of like a null
> function.

Yup. There is a tool called "equivs" used to create fake packages.
However you should guarantee that your self-compiled packages would work
exactly like the official ones.

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Re: Re: Installing/Configuring SpamAssassin and ClamAV

[BruceG]

Just wanted to let you know that Paul Johnson's link helped quite a bit. I
got exim4 and ClamAV running, and am able to reject (some) virii at smtp
time. Think I'll hold off on rejecting spam until I get a beefier PC for the
duty. I'm already swapping out of memory too much.


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exim4 + fetchmail - duplicate mail in Inbox and in folders

[BruceG]

I think the list was discussing this last week, but I can't find it. Darn!
Anyway - I am using Exim4 (with ClamAV) as my SMTP transport. I created some
subfolders to group mail on the server. I am also using fetchmail to grab
pop mail from my ISP, and also have an Exim .forward file to group my
e-mail.

What I am seeing is that the mail is duplicated. It shows up in my Inbox,
and it also shows up in my subfolders. Where should I look to solve this
problem? My .forward is below:

Debian GNU/Linux testing/unstable manygriffi.blogdns.net
manygriffi login: (me)
Password:
Last login: Mon Nov 10 14:22:36 2003 from 192.168.1.100 on pts/0
Linux manygriffi 2.4.22-1-386 #9 Sat Oct 4 14:30:39 EST 2003 i586 GNU/Linux

The programs included with the Debian GNU/Linux system are free software;
the exact distribution terms for each program are described in the
individual files in /usr/share/doc/*/copyright.

Debian GNU/Linux comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, to the extent
permitted by applicable law.
You have newmail.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ cat .forward
# Exim filter
# Handle mailing lists

if $h_To: contains "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
  then save Maildir/.Fedora/

elif $h_to: contains "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" or
 $h_to: contains "Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts"
  then save Maildir/.ALE/

elif $h_to: contains "squirrelmail"
  then save Maildir/.Squirrelmail/

elif $h_to: contains "madwifi"
  then save Maildir/.madwifi/

elif $h_to: contains "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
   then save Maildir/.GnuCash/

elif $h_from: contains "Cron Daemon"
  then save Maildir/.Cron/

endif

# If you didn't enable site wide Maildir
# your users will need to have this catch all
# entry, or it'll end up in MBox format.
#
save Maildir/

# Done

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$


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Re: nice

[David Jardine]

On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 10:55:22AM -0600, Hoyt Bailey wrote:
> There was some discussion about nice -10 a few days ago and the question was
> how to set nice.  The command is nice -10 .
> Reference debian "reference".
> In Linux:
> nice:  Range -20 (Not nice) to 19 (Very nice)

Nice guys finish last?

> In English:
> Priority level: 1 to 39.
> 
> For whomever cares;
> Hoyt
> 
> 
> 
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Trouble with Alsa 0.9.6-5, 2.4.22 AC97 audio and /dev/mixer under Gnome 2.4.0-1

[Ron Johnson]

Hi,

In Gnome Volume Control 2.4.0, I try to set the volume, but get
the error

Unable to open audio device '/dev/mixer'.
Please check that you have permissions to open 'dev/mixer'
and that you have sound support in your kernel.


Well

The motherboard is a Shuttle FX41 that has Via KM266/VT8375 N.B.
and VT8235 S.B. that is AC'97 2.2 compliant.

$ dir /dev/mixer
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 11 Nov  6 17:24 /dev/mixer -> /dev/mixer0

$ dir /dev/mixer0
crw-rw  1 root audio 14,  0 Nov  6 17:24 /dev/mixer0

$ grep audio /etc/group
audio:x:29:me

# lsmod
Module  Size  Used byNot tainted
sound  58324   0  (unused)
ac97_codec 13576   0 
[snip non-sound stuff]

Anyone have any thoughts?  

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Re: Installing modem.

[Hoyt Bailey]

- Original Message - 
From: "Kent West" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "debian-user" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 10:22
Subject: Re: Installing modem.


> Hoyt Bailey wrote:
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "Kent West" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> >>>Your output and mine agree except as follows:
> >>>Yours:ttyS04 at port 0x7feo (IRQ = 10) is a 16550A
> >>>Mine:  ttyS04 at port 0xd000 (IRQ  = 19) is a 16550A
> >>
> >>
> >>Which means you're modem is on Com5, IRQ 10. You should be able to set
> >>this in /etc/wvdial.conf, or if you run pon/poff, pppconfig should give
> >>you an option to type in /dev/ttyS04.
> >>
> >
> > The problem is the(Mine) not the (Your).  The (Your) works.  How do you
> > translate 0x7fe0 to Com5? A doc ref would help.
>
> I don't; I translate the "ttyS4" as COM5. I thought I had written this
> before, but perhaps it was in another thread, or it didn't make it
> through; you subtract one from whatever value Windows labels the COM
> port. If Windows calls it COM1, then in Linux it'd be 0, or more
> accurately, /dev/ttyS0; COM4 in Windows would be /dev/ttyS3 in Linux. (I
> believe I (and someone else) miswrote above, by adding a zero in the
> name; it should be /dev/ttyS4, not /dev/ttyS04, but not having used a
> serial port in ages, I'm not for certain.)
>
> -- 
> Kent
>
Thanks for the info:  Since my windows lists the modom on com4 then it
should be mounted on ttyS03 or TTYS03 as listed on my system.  Part of the
system recognize the modem (KDE) but it shows it mounted:
I/O Ports:
d000-d007 US Robitics//3Com 56K fakmodem 5610
d000-d007 serial (auto)
I am confused;
Hoyt



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Re: Installing modem.

[Hoyt Bailey]

- Original Message - 
From: "Aaron W. Hsu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Kent West" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "debian-user" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 10:52
Subject: Re: Installing modem.


> I have come into this thread pretty late, but from what I understand,
> you are trying to get a modem to work.  It's a PCI modem, and you can
> see it mentioned in the kernel as ttyS04.  The problem, as I see it,
> is that you can't get the modem to respond to any calls from any
> programs?
>
> If I understand this all correctly, I had a horrible time with this
> a while back with another computer, where I could get the PCI modem
> automatically recognized and used in RedHat, but in Debian I could get
> nothing out of it.  Some wise user showed me how to fix this:
>
> 1. Use /dev/MAKEDEV to make the ttyS4 device in /dev, as your kernel
> will normally not make it for you.
>
> 2. The device should now be available under that name, and you should
> be able to use it freely in any system, you should probably also
> symlink it to /dev/modem so that some dialer programs will work
> properly.
>
> I hope this helps, tell me if I misunderstand what you are trying to
> do, and sorry if this was OT.
>
> Aaron Hsu
>
You are on target however there is some question, in my mind at least, where
the modem is installed in linux. KDE says it is d000-d007 others say it
should be ttyS04 and ttyS4 my system seems to list ttyS? as TTYS??. Windows
XP installed it on com4, which impilys that it should be probably on TTYS03.
Perhaps I'm just confused because I dont know enough.  Thanks for your input
I'll keep it in mind.
Regards;
Hoyt



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where does uname get its info from ...etc

[john gennard]

I got an unofficial snapshot .iso for Sarge, burned it to a CD
and installed from the CD. The installaton was very basic, and
I've been gradually and laboriously building it up by hand -
this has been very educational and has taught me a great deal.

Now as I was considering recompiling the kernel to my own
requirements, I find the following:-

---

a. 'uname -a' shows:-

Linux Leary..co.uk 2.4.21 #2 Tue Aug 26 14:43:43 BST 2003 i686 GNU/Linux

b. an extract from '/boot' shows:-

 518609 Sep  5 19:25 System.map-2.4.22-1-386
512 Oct 28 20:33 boot.0340
  42220 Sep  5 11:54 config-2.4.22-1-386
3383296 Oct 28 20:32 initrd.img-2.4.22-1-386
 825011 Sep  5 19:25 vmlinuz-2.4.22-1-386

c. messages when booting include:-

Sun Nov  9 15:46:05 2003: modprobe: Can't open dependencies file 
/lib/modules/2.4.21/modules.dep (No such file or directory)
Sun Nov  9 15:46:06 2003: modprobe: Can't open dependencies file 
/lib/modules/2.4.21/modules.dep (No such file or directory)

d. '/lib/modules' is:-

drwxr-xr-x4 root root 4096 Oct 28 20:32 2.4.22-1-386
-rw-r--r--1 root root 5883 Oct 28 20:32 modprobe.conf

-

The kernel I selected for install was 2.4.22-1, so why does uname
think it is 2.4.21? And, why is modprobe looking for modules for
2.4.21?

I have done nothing to bring the above about - and didn't notice 
it before as I was concerned with other matters. Can anyone
offer an explanation please.

Regards,   John.


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Re: Spamassassin

[Gilberto Villani Brito]

Thanks, but I don't use procmail, I don't like it.
:)



Em Sat, 8 Nov 2003 14:47:40 +0100
Florian Ernst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escreveu:

> On Sat, Nov 08, 2003 at 11:28:34AM -0200, Gilberto Villani Brito wrote:
> > On Tue, 7 Oct 2003 20:06:37 -0400
> > Naitik Shah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > > I usually just send spamassassin marked mail to a specific folder, and
> > > go over it really quickly. I keep backups, so if I do overlook
> > > something, and I find out later, I can always look it up.
> > 
> > Ok, so how can I configure my spamassassin to do that???
> 
> spamassassin just marks the mails, you need procmail to filter it
> thereafter.
> 
> Read the fine documentation at
> http://www.spamassassin.org/ and
> http://www.procmail.org/
> 
> In your case especially
> http://spamassassin.org/dist/procmailrc.example
> from their FAQ...
> 
> 
> HTH,
> Flo
> 
> 
> PS: Quoting readjusted.
> 


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Re: Searching for an editor...

[Mike Fedyk]

On Sun, Nov 09, 2003 at 02:29:38PM -0800, Tom wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 09, 2003 at 10:46:33PM +0100, Otto Wyss wrote:
> > > On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 18:32:47 +0200, Tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > All in all, the built-in editor of Anjuta is exactly what I'm looking Tom
> > > 
> > > Try Scite, you'll love it. Anjuta's editor is based on it.
> > > 
> > Sorry for being late but have a look at wxGuide-Editor
> > "http://wxguide.sourceforge.net/indexedit.html";. It is also based on the
> > Scintilla edit control as the above ones.
> > 
> 
> Ug.  I just tried scite, and looked at the GTK scintilla screenshots.  
> Those fonts/colors are garish and ugly.  The screenshots of 
> wxguide-editor running on Win32 looked nice (naturally).

Did you think of changing the colors and font sizes (they're already
changed, so there's a good chance it's configurable!).

Maybe if you made a different color/font/size scheme, you could submit it
for inclusion...


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Re: a few Qs about debian's apt

[David Z Maze]

"Woon Wai Keen @ doubleukay.com" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> a friend of mine has some questions regarding debian. hope you guys could
> help me answer them :)

I notice you're asking a lot of questions about apt-get.  It often can
be a little difficult to figure out what apt-get is doing; a
higher-level package manager, such as aptitude, can often be more
informative.

> 1) does 'apt-get upgrade' upgrades:
> i) the kernel,
> ii) base apps
> iii) local apps (/usr/local)

(i) Only in very limited ways, for certain minor updates, but often
not within a particular kernel revision, and never between kernel
versions.  (ii) Yes, always "base apps", however you define those.
(iii) No, Debian packages always leave /usr/local untouched (with the
exception of possibly creating empty directories for user extension
packages).

> 2) where does apt-get saves all it package information?

In a combination of /var/lib/dpkg (used by dpkg), /var/cache/apt (for
downloaded packages), and /var/lib/apt.  But you should (almost) never
need to look at these directories directly.

> 3) is there a way to just upgrade the local apps instead of all
> local/kernel/base at the same time? if so what is the apt-get
> argument?

APT and dpkg never touch things the administrator has installed in
/usr/local, or things users have compiled in their home directories.
In other words, it never "upgrades the local apps", as I understand
your terminology.

> 4) what do we do if we need to synchronize the package information
> manually, say for some reason apt-get fails to include version
> information on newly installed package; it's still using the old
> version although the package has been overwritten by the latest
> version?

Um, what do you mean by "overwritten by the latest version"?  Why do
you think a newer version is installed than what APT or dpkg think is
installed?

> how do debian define non-base apps? in the bsds, non-base apps which is
> called local apps are those not part of the vendor-approved base
> distribution.

Aah.  Debian doesn't have that distinction.  Everything that's "part
of Debian" and included on the official CD is built to install in
/usr.  Some packages are flagged "essential" or "section: base", but
these are mostly artificial distinctions that have minor importance in
the packaging system.

> getting back to debian, say for an application that is not part of
> debian base distribution, how do we go about getting apt-get to
> upgrade them, or does debian does not segregate the definitions of
> base/local apps?

If something's not on any of the Debian CDs, it might be in a newer
version of Debian ("testing" or "unstable"), or there might be
unofficial packages of it.  Otherwise, you get to compile it from
source, and APT will have nothing to do with it.

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Re: nice

[David Z Maze]

"Hoyt Bailey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> There was some discussion about nice -10 a few days ago and the question was
> how to set nice.  The command is nice -10 .
> Reference debian "reference".
> In Linux:
> nice:  Range -20 (Not nice) to 19 (Very nice)
> In English:
> Priority level: 1 to 39.

That's only sort of correct.  The default niceness is 0, and you can't
get negative niceness without being root.  The "priority" that top,
ps, etc. report is only sort of related to niceness; it's a number
that comes out of the kernel process scheduler.  But otherwise, yes,
lower (even negative) niceness implies higher priority.  You can also
use renice(8) to change the niceness of an existing process.

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Re: Need to resolve booting problem

[David Palmer.]

On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 09:48:17 -0500 (EST)
Parfait BINI <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Good morning Sir,
> My name's Parfait BINI, I got  a boot problem with my computer. I had
> a new RAM for playing Playstation games,when I start by Win98 iI don't
> have no problem but when I start by WindowsXP it shows me an error of
> imcompatibility. I've remove this RAM and since this day ,I no more
> use my slot extension and I can start my computer with my Sound card
> and network card. Please give INformation to resolve that. Hoping to
> hear from you soon.Thanks. Parfait BINI
> 
Hello Parfait,

It has been a long time since I did anything with a Microsoft
distribution, but I believe from memory that XP takes a reading of your
system at registration time, and then refuses any further additions to
that system, yes, even unto a RAM upgrade. I believe that they
implemented this so that it would make it difficult to put XP onto more
than one system. There was a big stink about the level of arrogance
involved in dictating how people were permitted to employ their own
property from memory, and I think if you ring the operator on the number
provided on your install CD that they are able to make some
configuration change which will permit you to use new hardware upgrades
that you have purchased for use on your own machine in conjunction with
the operating system that you have also purchased. But other than that,
I don't have any advice to offer.

Perhaps you might like to try Debian?
Debian isn't arrogant at all.
To start off with Debian I personally would advise using Knoppix or
Libranet.
If you search for either of those two terms with Google you will achieve
the kind of result that left windose behind for me some time ago. I will
never go back.
Regards,

David. 


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Re: kernel image install error

[Chris Knoblock]

Here is what i type and output word for word:

apt-get -u install kernel-image-2.4.22-1-686
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
kernel-image-2.4.22-1-686 is already the newest
version.
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not
upgraded.
1 not fully installed or removed.
Need to get 0B of archives.
After unpacking 0B of additional disk space will be
used.
Setting up kernel-image-2.4.22-1-686 (2.4.22-3) ...
ldd: /lib/ld-linux.so.2 exited with unknown exit code
(139)
Failed to create initrd image.
dpkg: error processing kernel-image-2.4.22-1-686
(--configure):
 subprocess post-installation script returned error
exit status 9
Errors were encountered while processing:
 kernel-image-2.4.22-1-686
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code
(1)


--- Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, 2003-11-10 at 12:46, Chris Knoblock wrote:
> > hi all, wondering if anyone can help me with this
> one.
> > running unstable and trying to install
> > kernel-image-2.4.22-1-686 is giving me an error
> > 
> > ldd: /lib/ld.linux.so.2 exited with unknown exit
> code
> > (139)
> > 
> > Failed to create initrd image.
> > 
> > can anyone help with this? 
> 
> Can you show us the whole command, with all
> messages?  Preferably
> using:
> # apt-get -u install kernel-image-2.4.22-1-686
> 
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[ssh] KeepAlive

[Vincent Lefevre]

My ssh sessions from my local Debian machine were closed when there
was a route problem (or possibly after an ADSL reconnection), so I
added the following to my .ssh/config:

KeepAlive no

This worked for several months, but since a few days, my ssh sessions
get closed again (for the last one, I could see in the logs that it
was closed during an ADSL reconnection). So, I did some tests with
"ssh -v" and the following line was periodically output:

debug1: client_input_channel_req: channel 0 rtype [EMAIL PROTECTED] reply 1

Why? Doesn't the KeepAlive option work any longer?

As expected, after I plugged out the Ethernet cable for a few seconds
and plugged in again:

debug1: channel_free: channel 0: client-session, nchannels 1
debug1: fd 2 clearing O_NONBLOCK
Read from remote host loria.loria.fr: Connection reset by peer
Connection to loria.loria.fr closed.
debug1: Transferred: stdin 0, stdout 0, stderr 102 bytes in 301.6 seconds
debug1: Bytes per second: stdin 0.0, stdout 0.0, stderr 0.3
debug1: Exit status -1

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Re: parted: "rather strange layout"

[Alex Malinovich]

On Mon, 2003-11-10 at 08:59, Kjetil Kjernsmo wrote:
--snip--
> Yeah, well, I don't know if that is exactly the point, but according to 
> the GNU parted homepage, parted can only resize ext2, ext3 and reiserFS 
> partitions if the starting point remains fixed... I guess that's rarely 
> very useful, because in many cases, there is another partition 
> immediately following the first partition... That's how it is in my 
> case anyway. 

This is kind of OT in regards to the initial question, but in regards to
resizing partitions you do have a few options. ReiserFS does have it's
own resize utility (part of the reiserfsprogs package) which can do all
sorts of resizing operations. (I've actually had mixed results with
using parted on reiserfs partitions, so I'd suggest sticking with the
most current official programs.)

In regards to resizing ext2/3 partitions, it is true that the beginning
of the partition must remain fixed. I believe that MOVE operations will
work on ext partitions however. So given the following:

Minor Start End
1:1 100
2:  101 200
3:  201 300

You could do something along the lines of:

resize 1 1 50
move 2 51 150
resize 2 51 200

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Re: Is it possible to retach a process to a new terminal?

[Alex Malinovich]

On Mon, 2003-11-10 at 09:01, Chema wrote:
> I often would find useful to stole the process from a tty wich is in a
> remote box, or to be able to see the output of a nohup'ed command, or
> to recuperate the process of a ssh session that got an abruptly end.
> 
> Is there a way to relocate a process in a new terminal?  Like "screen
> -d -r", but without screen =)
> 
> Anyway, I'm trying to screen anything I do now ;-)

Not sure if this would work, but maybe setting your shell to be "screen
/bin/bash" instead of just "/bin/bash". As far as actually switching
which tty you're using once the application is already running, I don't
know of any way to do it. (Though that certainly does not mean that
there ISN'T a way to do it.)
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Re: kde in "testing" ?

[Mike Fedyk]

On Sun, Nov 09, 2003 at 03:28:30PM -0900, Greg Madden wrote:
> so KDE 3 went into testing about a week ago and will replace any 

Since when?  I haven't seen kde3 in sarge.

http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=meta-kde

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Re: kernel image install error

[Greg Folkert]

On Mon, 2003-11-10 at 13:46, Chris Knoblock wrote:
> hi all, wondering if anyone can help me with this one.
> running unstable and trying to install
> kernel-image-2.4.22-1-686 is giving me an error
> 
> ldd: /lib/ld.linux.so.2 exited with unknown exit code
> (139)
> 
> Failed to create initrd image.
> 
> can anyone help with this? 

Do you have cramfs installed? (among the other things the kernel install
warned you about).

Those warning are there for a reason... and should not be ignored.
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Re: Is it possible to retach a process to a new terminal?

[Alex Malinovich]

On Mon, 2003-11-10 at 09:45, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 09:01:18AM -0600, Chema wrote:
> > I often would find useful to stole the process from a tty wich is in
> a remote box, or to be able to see the output of a nohup'ed command,
> or to recuperate the process of a ssh session that got an abruptly
> end.
> > 
> > Is there a way to relocate a process in a new terminal?  Like
> "screen -d -r", but without screen =)
> 
> And a tag-along question: is there anyway to do that with X?

I've never actually used either of them, but I believe that xmove and
teleport will both do that.

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Re: Spamassassin

[Greg Folkert]

On Mon, 2003-11-10 at 14:37, Gilberto Villani Brito wrote:
> Em Sat, 8 Nov 2003 14:47:40 +0100
> Florian Ernst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escreveu:
> 
> > On Sat, Nov 08, 2003 at 11:28:34AM -0200, Gilberto Villani Brito wrote:
> > > On Tue, 7 Oct 2003 20:06:37 -0400
> > > Naitik Shah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > I usually just send spamassassin marked mail to a specific folder, and
> > > > go over it really quickly. I keep backups, so if I do overlook
> > > > something, and I find out later, I can always look it up.
> > > 
> > > Ok, so how can I configure my spamassassin to do that???
> > 
> > spamassassin just marks the mails, you need procmail to filter it
> > thereafter.
> > 
> > Read the fine documentation at
> > http://www.spamassassin.org/ and
> > http://www.procmail.org/
> > 
> > In your case especially
> > http://spamassassin.org/dist/procmailrc.example
> > from their FAQ...
>
>
>Thanks, but I don't use procmail, I don't like it.
> :)

Use Maildrop... much nicer rules and the WHOLE bit. Just make sure you
put in a /etc/maildroprc proper.

Nice.
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Alsa with 2.6.0-test9

[Martin]

Hi everybody

Since I've upgraded from 2.4.23 to 2.6.0-test9 I don't have sound
anymore. Here's the environment: ASUS M2400N notebook, Intel i810
onBoard soundchip, debian sid and - as mentioned above - kernel
2.6.0-test9.
I've compiled everything possible as module in the sound section.
Now this is what I get in the log when I try to play a sound file:

Nov  7 16:27:35 debian kernel: PCI: Enabling device :00:1f.5 (0005
-> 0007)
Nov  7 16:27:36 debian kernel: intel8x0: clocking to 48000
Nov  7 16:28:28 debian kernel:  printing eip:
Nov  7 16:28:28 debian kernel: e07f5707
Nov  7 16:28:28 debian kernel: Oops:  [#1]
Nov  7 16:28:28 debian kernel: CPU:0
Nov  7 16:28:28 debian kernel: EIP:   
0060:[_end+540878687/1069396056]Not tainted
Nov  7 16:28:28 debian kernel: EFLAGS: 00010202
Nov  7 16:28:28 debian kernel: EIP is at resample_expand+0x317/0x350
[snd_pcm_oss]
Nov  7 16:28:28 debian kernel: eax: e07f5707   ebx:    ecx:
e07c9166   edx: 
Nov  7 16:28:28 debian kernel: esi: dad2b750   edi: dad2b770   ebp:
e079fffe   esp: d8f0fe7c
Nov  7 16:28:28 debian kernel: ds: 007b   es: 007b   ss: 0068
Nov  7 16:28:28 debian kernel: Process gmplayer (pid: 1884,
threadinfo=d8f0e000 task=d90d6660)
Nov  7 16:28:28 debian kernel: Stack: d8f0112d  dad2be60
8000 e07f5679 e07f5707  0004 
Nov  7 16:28:28 debian kernel:0004 0001 0dac0dac
03ee 045a 0400 dad2b6e0 d7813260 
Nov  7 16:28:28 debian kernel:e07f5bc0 dad2b6e0 d7813260
d78132a0 0400 045a dad2b6e0 0400 
Nov  7 16:28:28 debian kernel: Call Trace:
Nov  7 16:28:28 debian kernel:  [_end+540878545/1069396056]
resample_expand+0x289/0x350 [snd_pcm_oss]
Nov  7 16:28:28 debian kernel:  [_end+540878687/1069396056]
resample_expand+0x317/0x350 [snd_pcm_oss]
Nov  7 16:28:28 debian kernel:  [_end+540879896/1069396056]
rate_transfer+0x40/0x50 [snd_pcm_oss]
Nov  7 16:28:28 debian kernel:  [_end+540869145/1069396056]
snd_pcm_plug_write_transfer+0x81/0xe0 [snd_pcm_oss]
Nov  7 16:28:28 debian kernel:  [_end+540852907/1069396056]
snd_pcm_oss_write2+0xb3/0x130 [snd_pcm_oss]
Nov  7 16:28:28 debian kernel:  [_end+540853488/1069396056]
snd_pcm_oss_write1+0x1c8/0x210 [snd_pcm_oss]
Nov  7 16:28:28 debian kernel:  [_end+540861469/1069396056]
snd_pcm_oss_write+0x35/0x50 [snd_pcm_oss]
Nov  7 16:28:28 debian kernel:  [vfs_write+140/208] vfs_write+0x8c/0xd0
Nov  7 16:28:28 debian kernel:  [sys_write+45/80] sys_write+0x2d/0x50
Nov  7 16:28:28 debian kernel:  [syscall_call+7/11] syscall_call+0x7/0xb
Nov  7 16:28:28 debian kernel: 
Nov  7 16:28:28 debian kernel: Code: 8b 45 00 e9 68 fe ff ff 8a 45 00 83
f0 80 89 c2 c1 e2 08 eb 
Nov  7 16:28:28 debian kernel:  <1>Unable to handle kernel paging
request at virtual address e07a
Nov  7 16:28:28 debian kernel:  printing eip:
Nov  7 16:28:28 debian kernel: e07f5707
Nov  7 16:28:28 debian kernel: Oops:  [#2]
Nov  7 16:28:28 debian kernel: CPU:0
Nov  7 16:28:28 debian kernel: EIP:   
0060:[_end+540878687/1069396056]Not tainted
Nov  7 16:28:28 debian kernel: EFLAGS: 00010202
Nov  7 16:28:28 debian kernel: EIP is at resample_expand+0x317/0x350
[snd_pcm_oss]
Nov  7 16:28:28 debian kernel: eax: e07f5707   ebx:    ecx:
e07c9166   edx: 
Nov  7 16:28:28 debian kernel: esi: dad2b750   edi: dad2b770   ebp:
e079fffe   esp: d8f0fbcc
Nov  7 16:28:28 debian kernel: ds: 007b   es: 007b   ss: 0068
Nov  7 16:28:28 debian kernel: Process gmplayer (pid: 1884,
threadinfo=d8f0e000 task=d90d6660)
Nov  7 16:28:28 debian kernel: Stack: d8f0  0001
d90d6660 e07f5679 e07f5707  0004 
Nov  7 16:28:28 debian kernel:0004 0001 
03ee 045a 0400 dad2b6e0 d7813260 
Nov  7 16:28:28 debian kernel:e07f5bc0 dad2b6e0 d7813260
d78132a0 0400 045a dad2b6e0 0400 
Nov  7 16:28:28 debian kernel: Call Trace:
Nov  7 16:28:28 debian kernel:  [_end+540878545/1069396056]
resample_expand+0x289/0x350 [snd_pcm_oss]
Nov  7 16:28:28 debian kernel:  [_end+540878687/1069396056]
resample_expand+0x317/0x350 [snd_pcm_oss]
Nov  7 16:28:28 debian kernel:  [_end+540879896/1069396056]
rate_transfer+0x40/0x50 [snd_pcm_oss]
Nov  7 16:28:28 debian kernel:  [_end+540869145/1069396056]
snd_pcm_plug_write_transfer+0x81/0xe0 [snd_pcm_oss]
Nov  7 16:28:28 debian kernel:  [_end+540852907/1069396056]
snd_pcm_oss_write2+0xb3/0x130 [snd_pcm_oss]
Nov  7 16:28:28 debian kernel:  [_end+540854476/1069396056]
snd_pcm_oss_sync1+0x54/0x100 [snd_pcm_oss]
Nov  7 16:28:28 debian kernel:  [default_wake_function+0/32]
default_wake_function+0x0/0x20
Nov  7 16:28:28 debian kernel:  [__wake_up+17/32] __wake_up+0x11/0x20
Nov  7 16:28:28 debian kernel:  [_end+540809796/1069396056]
snd_pcm_format_set_silence+0x6c/0x190 [snd_pcm]
Nov  7 16:28:28 debian kernel:  [_end+540854809/1069396056]
snd_pcm_oss_sync+0xa1/0x1b0 [snd_pcm_oss]
Nov  7 16:28:28 debian kernel:  [_end+540859537/1069396056]
snd_pcm_oss_release+0x19/0xa0 [snd_pcm_oss]
Nov  7 16:28

Re: kernel image install error

[Chris Knoblock]

cramfsprogs is already installed. no other warnings
except for editing the lilo.conf for initrd.


--- Greg Folkert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, 2003-11-10 at 13:46, Chris Knoblock wrote:
> > hi all, wondering if anyone can help me with this
> one.
> > running unstable and trying to install
> > kernel-image-2.4.22-1-686 is giving me an error
> > 
> > ldd: /lib/ld.linux.so.2 exited with unknown exit
> code
> > (139)
> > 
> > Failed to create initrd image.
> > 
> > can anyone help with this? 
> 
> Do you have cramfs installed? (among the other
> things the kernel install
> warned you about).
> 
> Those warning are there for a reason... and should
> not be ignored.
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Re: kde in "testing" ?

[Cam Ellison]

* Mike Fedyk ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 09, 2003 at 03:28:30PM -0900, Greg Madden wrote:
> > so KDE 3 went into testing about a week ago and will replace any 
> 
> Since when?  I haven't seen kde3 in sarge.
> 
It's there, all right, and so is KDE2.  Don't try to install KDE3 from
scratch, because libsensors-1debian1 does not exist and most of the
rest of the setup depends on it.  There was a bug report cleared a few
weeks ago that should have cleared the matter up, but it looks as
though the maintainer has not been able to (has not had time to?)
debianise libsensors2.  The failure to install is classified
grave. (In the meantime, my kids are making do with icewm.)

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Re: Alsa with 2.6.0-test9

[Greg Folkert]

On Mon, 2003-11-10 at 15:48, Martin wrote:
> Hi everybody
> 
> Since I've upgraded from 2.4.23 to 2.6.0-test9 I don't have sound
> anymore. Here's the environment: ASUS M2400N notebook, Intel i810
> onBoard soundchip, debian sid and - as mentioned above - kernel
> 2.6.0-test9.
> I've compiled everything possible as module in the sound section.
> Now this is what I get in the log when I try to play a sound file:
-SNIP-
> Nov  7 16:28:28 debian kernel: Code: 8b 45 00 e9 68 fe ff ff 8a 45 00 83
> f0 80 89 c2 c1 e2 08 eb 
> Has anybody seen this before? Any ideas?

Yes. OSS is Deprecated and DEAD. Don't compile it. It is a waste of
time. There are more supported sound chips in ALSA than in OSS anyway.

ALSA is the way to go. Make sure you install the alsa sub-system support
proggies.

ii  alsa-base 0.9.6-5   ALSA sound driver common fil
ii  alsa-utils0.9.6-1   Advanced Linux Sound Archite
ii  alsaconf  0.9.6-5   ALSA configuration generator
ii  alsamixergui  0.9.0rc2-1-4  graphical soundcard mixer fo 
ii  alsaplayer0.99.75-5 PCM player designed for ALSA
ii  alsaplayer-alsa   0.99.75-5 PCM player designed for ALSA 
ii  alsaplayer-common 0.99.75-5 PCM player designed for ALSA 
ii  alsaplayer-daemon 0.99.75-5 PCM player designed for ALSA 
ii  alsaplayer-esd0.99.75-5 PCM player designed for ALSA 
ii  alsaplayer-gtk0.99.75-5 PCM player designed for ALSA 
ii  alsaplayer-jack   0.99.75-5 PCM player designed for ALSA 
ii  alsaplayer-nas0.99.75-5 PCM player designed for ALSA 
ii  alsaplayer-oss0.99.75-5 PCM player designed for ALSA 
ii  alsaplayer-text   0.99.75-5 PCM player designed for ALSA 
ii  alsaplayer-xosd   0.99.75-5 PCM player designed for ALSA 
ii  gnome-alsamixer   0.9.3-3   ALSA sound mixer for GNOME
ii  gstreamer-alsa0.6.4-2   ALSA plugin for GStreamer
ii  libesd-alsa0  0.2.32-0  Enlightened Sound Daemon (AL
ii  libwine-alsa  0.20030603.034328 Windows Emulator (ALSA Sound

Not all needed by you, and it is not a comprehensive list. Just a few to get started.

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Re: kernel image install error

[Greg Folkert]

On Mon, 2003-11-10 at 15:59, Chris Knoblock wrote:
> --- Greg Folkert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Mon, 2003-11-10 at 13:46, Chris Knoblock wrote:
> > > hi all, wondering if anyone can help me with this
> > one.
> > > running unstable and trying to install
> > > kernel-image-2.4.22-1-686 is giving me an error
> > > 
> > > ldd: /lib/ld.linux.so.2 exited with unknown exit
> > code
> > > (139)
> > > 
> > > Failed to create initrd image.
> > > 
> > > can anyone help with this? 
> > 
> > Do you have cramfs installed? (among the other
> > things the kernel install
> > warned you about).
> > 
> > Those warning are there for a reason... and should
> > not be ignored.
> cramfsprogs is already installed. no other warnings
> except for editing the lilo.conf for initrd.

and it breaks the flow of the converstion.
please don't top-post it is very annoying,
On the subject of top-posting:

Here goes with the needed packages besides:
kernel-package

  * initrd-tools (>= 0.1.48)
  * cramfsprogs (>=1.1)
  * debianutils (>=2.5 I think)
  * coreutils or filutils (>=4.0)
  * modutils (>=2.4.19)

Hope this helps out. Also you might want to re-run ldconfig.

Oh, one other thing:

Make sure /etc/mkinitrd/mkinitrd.conf is proper.

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Re: [ssh] KeepAlive

[Mark Ferlatte]

Vincent Lefevre said on Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 09:00:09PM +0100:
> This worked for several months, but since a few days, my ssh sessions
> get closed again (for the last one, I could see in the logs that it
> was closed during an ADSL reconnection). So, I did some tests with
> "ssh -v" and the following line was periodically output:
> 
> debug1: client_input_channel_req: channel 0 rtype [EMAIL PROTECTED] reply 1
> 
> Why? Doesn't the KeepAlive option work any longer?
 
Have you looking into ClientAliveInterval?  ssh v2 has a built-in keepalive
mechanism that dodges some of the problems with regular TCP keepalive, and you
probably need to disable both of them to get what you want.

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Re: kernel-2.6.0-test9 & USB 2.0 Question

[Thomas H. George]

On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 01:48:50AM -0500, Thomas H. George wrote:
> I purchased aSony USB DVD+R+RW and succesfully played a dvd movie but in 
> spurts using an old system with only usb 1.0.
> 
> Next I upgraded the system with an Albatron KX400-8XV motherboard and an 
> Athlon XP 2000+ cpu.  Same result.  My 2.4.22 kernel doesn't support USB 
> 2.0.
> 
> Downloaded kernel-source-2.6.0-test9 and built a new kernel with ehci 
> support and uhci and ohci as modules.  The system boots up ok but 
> streams messages to the first console that my usb devices (Epson printer 
> and Sony DVD+R+RW) are not responding.  If I disconnect them the stream 
> of messages stops and less /proc/bus/usb/devices reports the ehci 
> controller.
> 
> Questions:
> 
> 1.  Is the problem with the kernel-2.6.0-test9 and I should wait for the 
> next patch
>or
>have I missed something which must be included in the new kernel
>or
>is the USB 2.0 support in the Albatron motherboard non-standard and 
> not supported?
> 
> 2. I have been in the habit of unpacking each new kernel-source in 
> /usr/src and then moving it to /usr/src/linux after moving the previous 
> kernel-source to /usr/src/linux-2.4.XX.  I know the README file has 
> always advised against this but at one time I read that this advice was 
> outdated and /usr/src/linux is the preferred location.  The README in 
> the kernel-source-2.6.0-test9 warns that using /usr/src/linux will 
> overwrite some needed headers.  What is the best practice?
> 
> Tom George
> 
Additional Problems with kernel-2.6.0-test9

Although I built the kernel with support for modules and ran
make modules and make modules_install the command lsmod reports
AP_MODULES are not installed.

Also there are serial ports, that is, no ttyS0 and ttyS1

Tom
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Configuring AC97 sound

[Lynn W.]

How do I activate sound so I can play music files in KDE using XMMS?

I did a basic install of Debian 3.0 Woody, and after successfully
configuring web server type stuff, decided to see how to get a desktop
environment up and running out of curiosity. So I installed
x-window-system, kde, kdm and xmms and receive a sound card error
"device /dev/dsp" can't be opened on starting up kde.

(By the way, can XMMS play .ogg by default? MP3?)

lspci says my Dell GX200 has an Intel 82801AA AC97 Audio device.

I tried disabling aRTs in KDE's control panel, installing/runnning
sndconfig & alsaconf all to no avail.

Various Google searches suggest installing modules ac97_codec.o, sound
and soundcore, but I have no idea where to find these or how to install
these (they do not seem to be on the first Debian Woody CD and not in
apt-get).

Can anyone advise? My Debian experience has been great so far, and I am
sure it's my inexperience that is tripping me up!

Thanks in advance!
Lynn


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Re: Alsa with 2.6.0-test9

[Martin]

Hello

Thanks for the reply. I think I was wrong in the last mail: I didn't
compile everything in the sound section: i.e. I just compiled the
alsa-subsection (with oss-emulation) and I have most of these packages
you've mentioned installed.
So, what else could it be?

Thanks anyway
Martin
On Mon, 2003-11-10 at 22:07, Greg Folkert wrote:
> On Mon, 2003-11-10 at 15:48, Martin wrote:
> > Hi everybody
> > 
> > Since I've upgraded from 2.4.23 to 2.6.0-test9 I don't have sound
> > anymore. Here's the environment: ASUS M2400N notebook, Intel i810
> > onBoard soundchip, debian sid and - as mentioned above - kernel
> > 2.6.0-test9.
> > I've compiled everything possible as module in the sound section.
> > Now this is what I get in the log when I try to play a sound file:
> -SNIP-
> > Nov  7 16:28:28 debian kernel: Code: 8b 45 00 e9 68 fe ff ff 8a 45 00 83
> > f0 80 89 c2 c1 e2 08 eb 
> > Has anybody seen this before? Any ideas?
> 
> Yes. OSS is Deprecated and DEAD. Don't compile it. It is a waste of
> time. There are more supported sound chips in ALSA than in OSS anyway.
> 
> ALSA is the way to go. Make sure you install the alsa sub-system support
> proggies.
> 
> ii  alsa-base 0.9.6-5   ALSA sound driver common fil
> ii  alsa-utils0.9.6-1   Advanced Linux Sound Archite
> ii  alsaconf  0.9.6-5   ALSA configuration generator
> ii  alsamixergui  0.9.0rc2-1-4  graphical soundcard mixer fo 
> ii  alsaplayer0.99.75-5 PCM player designed for ALSA
> ii  alsaplayer-alsa   0.99.75-5 PCM player designed for ALSA 
> ii  alsaplayer-common 0.99.75-5 PCM player designed for ALSA 
> ii  alsaplayer-daemon 0.99.75-5 PCM player designed for ALSA 
> ii  alsaplayer-esd0.99.75-5 PCM player designed for ALSA 
> ii  alsaplayer-gtk0.99.75-5 PCM player designed for ALSA 
> ii  alsaplayer-jack   0.99.75-5 PCM player designed for ALSA 
> ii  alsaplayer-nas0.99.75-5 PCM player designed for ALSA 
> ii  alsaplayer-oss0.99.75-5 PCM player designed for ALSA 
> ii  alsaplayer-text   0.99.75-5 PCM player designed for ALSA 
> ii  alsaplayer-xosd   0.99.75-5 PCM player designed for ALSA 
> ii  gnome-alsamixer   0.9.3-3   ALSA sound mixer for GNOME
> ii  gstreamer-alsa0.6.4-2   ALSA plugin for GStreamer
> ii  libesd-alsa0  0.2.32-0  Enlightened Sound Daemon (AL
> ii  libwine-alsa  0.20030603.034328 Windows Emulator (ALSA Sound
> 
> Not all needed by you, and it is not a comprehensive list. Just a few to get started.


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Re: [ssh] KeepAlive

[Vincent Lefevre]

On 2003-11-10 13:24:28 -0800, Mark Ferlatte wrote:
> Have you looking into ClientAliveInterval? ssh v2 has a built-in
> keepalive mechanism that dodges some of the problems with regular
> TCP keepalive, and you probably need to disable both of them to get
> what you want.

This option doesn't exist. Perhaps you meant ProtocolKeepAlives, but:

  ProtocolKeepAlives
Specifies the interval in seconds at which IGNORE packets will be
sent to the server during idle periods.  Use this option in
scripts to detect when the network fails.  The argument must be
an integer.  The default is 0 (disabled), or 300 if the BatchMode
option is set.

says that the default is 0. I added a

ProtocolKeepAlives 0

to my .ssh/config, but this didn't change anything.

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something wrong with kernel source 2.4.22?

[mbc]

* Please reply to me as I'm not on this list *

Hi. So, I'm trying to build a kernel so that I can compile some modules 
I need for my wireless card to work. I want to disable modversions in my
kernel so that the madwifi modules and the bcm4400 module won't complain
about unresolved symbols just because of name mangling. 

I've encountered major problems trying to build a kernel with the 
2.4.22-3 source.

First, I tried copying /boot/config-2.4.22-1-686 to 
/usr/src/linux/.config then doing make mrproper && make oldconfig && 
make dep && make bzImage && make install && make modules && make 
modules_install. After doing this, and updating lilo and rebooting, the 
boot fails saying that it can't open /lib/modules/2.4.22/modules.dep. I 
checked, and that file is both present and up to date.

Second, I tried copying the config to /usr/src/linux again, and using 
kernel package, so I did make-kpkg clean and then make-kpkg 
--revision=mbc2.4.22 kernel_image. The resulting kernel package only 
contained the modules and the documentation, but no bzImage.

Am I totally missing something here or is the recent source package just 
broken?

Any help would be greatly appreciated, as I've been trying to do this 
for 3 days now so that I can install debian on my laptop. Without 
network access, thats rather hard. I've built kernels before. I even 
built the lindows kernel debian packages. But right now I'm having a 
hard time .

Thank You,

michael





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Re: Installing modem.

[Kent West]

Hoyt Bailey wrote:

You are on target however there is some question, in my mind at least, where
the modem is installed in linux. KDE says it is d000-d007 others say it
should be ttyS04 and ttyS4 my system seems to list ttyS? as TTYS??. Windows
XP installed it on com4, which impilys that it should be probably on TTYS03.
Perhaps I'm just confused because I dont know enough.  Thanks for your input
I'll keep it in mind.
Regards;
Hoyt


I have no uppercase TTYs in my /dev directory. Have never heard of such? 
Perhaps earlier in your attempts to get the modem working you manually 
created these device files?

This command, executed as root from within the /dev directory, should 
create the standard tty device files:
	./MAKEDEV std

Then I'd try minicom and play with the COM port settings; after each 
change, try dialing your cell phone with something like
	ATDT555-555-1234
When you hear the modem dial out and/or your cell phone ring, you know 
you're on the right COM port.

(You can hang up the modem with ATZ.)

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Re: Need to resolve booting problem

[Kent West]

David Palmer. wrote:
Perhaps you might like to try Debian?
Debian isn't arrogant at all.


ROTFL!!!

(Okay, out of context, but still, that was funny!)

:-)

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