Re: See what a weak password will get ya?

[Karsten M. Self]

on Thu, Jul 22, 2004 at 11:02:11PM -0700, Karsten M. Self ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> on Thu, Jul 22, 2004 at 07:24:01PM -0700, Scarletdown ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > Paul Stolp wrote:

> > I second that recommendation.  I always prefer to have passwords with 
> > the following features:
> > 
> > Minimum of 8 characters

> My own preference is the 'pwgen' and 'gpw' utilities included in Debian,
> combined with either the PalmOS "Keyring" utility or the vim "editing
> encrypted files transparently" hack documented at:

...incidentally, this reminded me that I had to do some locking down of
systems here.  I'd managed to goof a Samba config so that the, um,
trivial Linux system password I'd entered at account creation time
wasn't replaced by the Samba password.

I *knew* I had a number of accounts (several score) to fix.  But didn't
know quite which.

Installed 'john' and copied the shadow file to another system.  Found
the accounts in less than five minutes.

'chpasswd' is another slick utility.  Feed it a list of accounts and
passwords (hashed or plaintext) in the form:

user:password

...and it will update in bulk.

To create that file, I simply ran straight from the 'john' output:

for u in $( awk '{gsub("[()]", "", $2); print $2 }' < john.out )
do
echo "$u:$( pwgen 20 1 )"
done | chpasswd

...which generates a set of 20 character random keys even I don't know.

When the users want access to that system, I'll reset their passwords...
...unless they done been misbehavin', in which case I'll have 'em guess
for a while first ;-)


Peace.

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Re: See what a weak password will get ya?

[Justinas]

On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 00:04:53 -0400
charlie derr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Paul Stolp wrote:
> > * dircha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-07-22 21:48]:
> > 
> >>Scarletdown wrote:
> >>
> >>>|<  == K
> >>>
> < == X
> >>>
> >>>|> == P
> >>>
> >>>Anyone else care to add to this little list?
> >>
> >>0 == O
> >>$ == S
> >>|-| == H
> >>|_| == U
> >>|_ == L
> >>\/\/ == W
> >>/\/\ == M
> >>|V| == M
> >>|\| == N
> >>|-o-| == tie fighter
> >>{-o-} == tie interceptor
> > 
> > 
> > Good plan, I need to improve my ascii art collection.
> 
> ^ = V or n //well, sort of :-0
> ! = i
> 4 = A
> & = G
> 3 = E
> 5 = S
> + = T
> 
> 
> i suppose now i ought to look at the rest of the thread too (i didn't 
> notice where it started)
> 
>   ~c
> 
> 
> 

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Printing from Adobe Acrobat, etc.

[David Baron]

This no longer works. Neither the lpr command nor going through kprinter 
(kde).

Printing a pdf file directly using kprinter works fine.


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some kind kiosk system

[Justinas]

Hi list!

There is an computer game club with 49 computers running linux. I would be 
glad to hear any suggestions how to build entirely system that forbids users to 
execute any other programs or scripts, only games, browsers and some office programs. 
The main aim of this, to keep computer out of trash and make administrators life 
easer. Could somebody share experience on some kind computer kiosk systems. Any 
suggestions, critics are acceptable.

Thanks in advance!


Justinas, an administrator.
http://www.patikimi.lt - open source solutions for business.


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Re: LPRng, Debian, and OS X

[Jim McCloskey]

Responding to my own message, in case it helps others with the same
problem.  On Thursday July 15th, I wrote:

|> I have a Debian (testing) box which runs LPRng version 3.8.27-1 as
|> its printer spooler.
|>
|> I have set up /etc/hosts.lpd and /etc/lprng/lpd.perms so that this
|> box will handle print-requests from the laptops that are also part
|> of the home network (the printer is connected to the parallel port
|> of the Debian box).
|>
|> This all works great from my own laptop, which also runs Debian
|> (and has the same version of LPRng). But there is also an OS X
|> laptop in the house, and print requests from that machine are
|> refused. The resulting message in /var/log/lpr.log is:
|>
|> Service_connection: short request line '^B', from '192.168.1.101
|> port 836'

This problem has now been solved.  It was (just) a matter of using the
printer configuration tool on the OS X laptop so that print-jobs would
be sent to the appropriate filter on the OS X (CUPS) side. For the HP
LaserJet 1100, that filter seems to be HP Laserjet 4L, CUPS+Gimp-Print
v4.25 (or at any rate that one works).

I had mistakenly assumed that print-jobs sent from other machines to
a print-queue on the print-server would be sent through the filter
defined for that queue on the server side. But evidently that is
wrong. The filtering, it seems, must be done on the client side,
before the job is sent to the print-server.

In any case: all now works well and I'm grateful to all who offered
help,

Jim



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Re: some kind kiosk system

[Paul Johnson]

Justinas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>   There is an computer game club with 49 computers running
> linux. I would be glad to hear any suggestions how to build entirely
> system that forbids users to execute any other programs or scripts,
> only games, browsers and some office programs. The main aim of this,
> to keep computer out of trash and make administrators life
> easer. Could somebody share experience on some kind computer kiosk
> systems. Any suggestions, critics are acceptable.

Don't install more than you need installed.  That'll get you about 90%
there.  The last 10% can be taken care of with groups and file
permissions, or if you want to overkill it, the ACL permission support
in 2.6 might be of help (however, I don't use ACL support, don't know
how well it works, and have more or less been waiting for success or
horror stories which have yet to materialize from what I've seen).



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Re: Is Linux Unix?

[Ryo Furue]

"Steven Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> Working in a MS, Solaris, Linux, Tru64 shop, I find that for the vast 
> majority of our servers the usability of Linux is as good as Unix if not 
> better. While Unix might have high end bits Linux lacks for 95% of the 
> world's servers that small missing % I suspect is not an issue.

This is not a Linux-vs-Unix issue, but I've recently been experiencing
a downside of Linux.  I think one of the biggest problems for developers
of commercial software for Linux is that there's no such thing as "the"
Linux OS.  There are simply too many combinations of the kernel version,
libc version, pthreads version, etc. to support all.  The consequence is
usually the vendor supports only the RedHat Linux.

I'm using the Intel Fortran Compiler (IFC).  Its version 7 runs on Debian
without any problem whatsoever, although Intel doesn't support Debian.  But,
last year Intel released a total rewrite of the compiler, version 8, with
which my Fortran programs don't work at all (*).  Since Debian isn't supported,
even if I paid (which I don't), Intel wouldn't fix my problem.  (If paying
would fix it, I would pay.)  This is a big headache.  Uniformity is sometimes
good.

I also heard from a programmer that her company develops software only for
Windows because it's so uniform and ubiguitous.  Her company, being small,
wouldn't be able to support Linux.  If a costomer doesn't have a Windows
machine, the company makes the costomer buy one.  (The sofwares so expensive
that the cost of a lowly Windows machine is nothing.)

Unfortunately, uniformity and community efforts don't come together.

Cheers,
Ryo
-
(*)In case anybody is interested, executables created by the IFC 8 compiler
use a pthread library, even when the program isn't parallized (so I don't
understand why the thread library is linked).  I heard the standard pthread
library of Linux has a stacksize limit of 2MB hard-coded in it, so the
executable segfaults when the stack limit is reached.  The user can do nothing
about it.  The fix seems to be to update the thread library to nptl, which isn't
available for Debian Woody.


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Re: Serial help - minicom?

[Johann Spies]

On Thu, Jul 22, 2004 at 11:16:26AM -0600, Nathan J. Malmberg wrote:
> Bill Moseley wrote:
> 
> >I've got an Access Point that has a serial port.  The AP runs Linux
> >(it's an Netgear WG302).  I can't connect to it from Linux using
> >minicom.
> >
> >After messing with it for an hour I brought out an old Win95 machine
> >with hyperterm and was able to connect no problem.  So, AP and cable 
> >are working fine.
> >
> >I suspect it's minicom that's causing me problems.  Likely flow
> >control.  Minicom always reports "OFFLINE".
> >
> 
> I have no idea if this will help...
> 
> When I set up a null modem connection using minicom, I had to set the 
> modem initialization string and reset string to empty values so that 
> minicom wouldn't send data that would scramble the remote system before 
> I even got started.  There are example scripts for this in 
> /usr/share/doc/minicom/examples, which I incorporated into my own 
> startup file.

That should work yes.

I have used minicom for the first time successfully with a null modem
cable about 10 days ago.  It worked after starting it with

minicom -s

and then clearing out all the initialization codes for the modem and
specifying the serial port.

Regards.
Johann
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What's this mounted temporary drectory? /tmp/autoKVio9R

[Ryo Furue]

Hello all,

I recently found the following:
  $ df -k
  [...]
  /tmp/autol8wP90   37483560   2742148  32837312   8% /tmp/autoKVio9R
  $
which I'd never seen before.  I'm the sole user and the admin of the machine.
Also,
  $ ls -lF /tmp
  total 28
  drwx--0 root root0 Jul 17 20:21 autoKVio9R/
  [...]

and there's no /tmp/autol8wP90 .

I don't remember what I did diffrently recently, but I certainly didn't
create the directory or mount it.  I wonder if somebody could guess what
it is. Is it something dangerous? like a symptom of being cracked?  I use
Debian 3.0r2.

Thank you,
Ryo


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Re: Urgent :Dual boot Debian+Mandrake with lilo

[Vijaya S]

Hi
But when i am trying to mount the /dev/hda1 to /mandrake it says the following
error
demo:/# mount -t auto /dev/hda1 /mandrake
mount: fs type ext3 not supported by kernel

Regards,
Vijaya

Silvan wrote:

> On Thursday 22 July 2004 01:55 pm, Vijaya S wrote:
>
> >Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
> > /dev/hda1   *   1   211641024+  83  Linux
> > /dev/hda2   21165   23287 10699925  Extended
> > /dev/hda3   23288   42663 9765504   83  Linux
> > /dev/hda5   21165   23287 1069960+  82  Linux swap
>
> > I want to edit lilo to get both Mandrake and Debian in the bootloader
> > menu.
> > How can i get my Mandrake back ..I cannot boot Mandrake again.
>
> I assume you want to boot Mandrake with a Mandrake-tweaked kernel, and Debian
> with a Debian-tweaked kernel, yes?  (Recommended.)
>
> You'll have to do more than the last poster implied.
>
> First, make a copy of /etc/lilo.conf before you start screwing with it.
>
> cp /etc/lilo.conf /etc/lilo.conf.saveass
>
> Now, the easiest thing is to pick ONE distro to manage your boot loader.
> Either Mandrake or Debian.  You'll drive yourself nuts trying to keep up with
> two copies of lilo.conf on two different partitions.  Let one manage the boot
> loader, and tell the other one to ignore the boot loader whenever
>
> Next, I create a mountpoint for Mandrake and mount it:
>
> mkdir /mandrake# to create a new mountpoint
> mount -t auto /dev/hda1 /mandrake  # or add an entry to /etc/fstab
>
> Verify that you see stuff in /mandrake/boot
>
> Now, if you're using Debian to manage this, its default lilo.conf will
> probably set you up to install the boot block to a partition, rather than a
> device.  If you have something like
>
> # Specifies the boot device
> boot=/dev/hda3
>
> You probably want to change it to:
>
> # Specifies the boot device
> boot=/dev/hda
>
> (Why?  I'm not sure, really.  It has always worked for me the way I suggest,
> while I've had problems doing it the Debian way.)
>
> Then you'll have something like:
>
> root=/dev/hda3
>
> Change it to:
>
> #root=/dev/hda3
>
> When you get down into this bit here (whatever yours says) stick a root= in
> here for this stanza:
>
> # These images were automagically added. You may need to edit something.
>
> image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.23-1-386
> label="DEB 2.4.23-0"
> root=/dev/hda3
> initrd=/boot/initrd.img-2.4.23-1-386
> read-only
>
> Then you just add a Mandrake stanza like:
>
> image=/mandrake/boot/vmlinuz
> label="Mandrake"
> root=/dev/hda1
> initrd=/mandrake/boot/initrd.img
> read-only
>
> (That should probably work.  Mandrake sets up and maintains symlinks
> so /boot/vmlinuz->your-real-kernel and so forth.)
>
> Then run /sbin/lilo -v to verify this worked.  Remember that I haven't done
> this in ages, so I may have gotten something wrong.  Please forgive me if I
> have.  The underlying principle is that you want to use the kernel from the
> Mandrake partion to install the entry for Mandrake.  If you just used /boot
> for both, you'd be booting Mandrake with a Debian kernel, which would break
> automount and perhaps other things.
>
> If something went wrong, you can
>
> cp -f /etc/lilo.conf.saveass /etc/lilo.conf
> /sbin/lilo -v
>
> to get back to where you started.
>
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Re: Is Linux Unix?

[Paul Johnson]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ryo Furue) writes:

> "Steven Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>> Working in a MS, Solaris, Linux, Tru64 shop, I find that for the vast 
>> majority of our servers the usability of Linux is as good as Unix if not 
>> better. While Unix might have high end bits Linux lacks for 95% of the 
>> world's servers that small missing % I suspect is not an issue.
>
> This is not a Linux-vs-Unix issue, but I've recently been experiencing
> a downside of Linux.  I think one of the biggest problems for developers
> of commercial software for Linux is that there's no such thing as "the"
> Linux OS.  There are simply too many combinations of the kernel version,
> libc version, pthreads version, etc. to support all.  The consequence is
> usually the vendor supports only the RedHat Linux.

That's a downside of any OS.  Try running WinNT binaries on a Win9x
machine.  Or OS9 binaries on a OSX machine or vice-versa.  Same problem.
Same solution.

You distribute with the lowest common denominator.  In Linux, this means
a tarball or a .deb[1].

nVidia still has a lot to learn about user-friendly licensing, but at
least they give you a self-extracting tarball that does all the hard
work for you (though with the obscene license nVidia has overshadowing
everything they do software-wise, this should be taken as serious
condemnation with a very faint hint of praise).

> I'm using the Intel Fortran Compiler (IFC).  Its version 7 runs on
> Debian without any problem whatsoever, although Intel doesn't support
> Debian.  But, last year Intel released a total rewrite of the
> compiler, version 8, with which my Fortran programs don't work at all
> (*).  Since Debian isn't supported, even if I paid (which I don't),
> Intel wouldn't fix my problem.  (If paying would fix it, I would pay.)
> This is a big headache.  Uniformity is sometimes good.

However, as explained above, uniformity does not exist.  Quick, tell me
which RPM I need, as a Debian user, to easily and cleanly install the
software like the packager intended: Mandrake, Red Hat, Fedora, SuSE...

> I also heard from a programmer that her company develops software only
> for Windows because it's so uniform and ubiguitous.

I usually feel sorry for people like that.  They miss the fact that unix
is everywhere, has been everywhere for decades, and will probably be
around long after the commercial software fad fades back into relative
obscurity.

> Her company, being small, wouldn't be able to support Linux.  If a
> costomer doesn't have a Windows machine, the company makes the
> costomer buy one.  (The sofwares so expensive that the cost of a lowly
> Windows machine is nothing.)

If the software is that expensive to start with, I think that explains
why money is so tight at that company.  If I'm paying so much just to
get screwed into a consumer-hostile license agreement that hardware
becomes an impulse item on the checkout line (so to speak), the vendor
better damn well be prepared to bend over backwards to make it to *my*
spec, not their idea of what they think I need[2].

> Unfortunately, uniformity and community efforts don't come together.

Right.  That's why all the open browsers are standards compliant,
and IE is not.  Why pretty much every network service out there has a
free, standards compliant implimentation, yet Microsoft still insists on
breaking the uniformity and charging infinitely more for it.


[1] RPM considered catastrophically harmful.  Until RPM actually
*standardizes* with standard package names, standard filesystem, real
dependency resolution, and permanent removal of file dependencies, rpm
will always be the proof-of-concept and dpkg the proper implimentation
of automated package management.  Though this assumes that RPM-based
distros actually meet the same high standard of quality assurance
usually found in Mexican tap water.  It's 2004: Using RPM should not
make users start clenching their colons and dread ever touching a
computer.  If people want to know why so many people say, "I tried
Linux, but it sucked, so I put Windows back on," they should look no
farther than RPM.

[2] Besides, why lose the revenue to Win4Lin, VMWare or Transgaming when
you can do it right the first time and know that it will work without
having to fart around with bloaty virtual machines or limited emulation.


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Re: What's this mounted temporary drectory? /tmp/autoKVio9R

[Martin Fluch]

Looks like something KDE related. Did you access some mountable media with 
Konqueror?

- Martin

On Fri, 23 Jul 2004, Ryo Furue wrote:
Hello all,
I recently found the following:
 $ df -k
 [...]
 /tmp/autol8wP90   37483560   2742148  32837312   8% /tmp/autoKVio9R
 $
which I'd never seen before.  I'm the sole user and the admin of the machine.
Also,
 $ ls -lF /tmp
 total 28
 drwx--0 root root0 Jul 17 20:21 autoKVio9R/
 [...]
and there's no /tmp/autol8wP90 .
I don't remember what I did diffrently recently, but I certainly didn't
create the directory or mount it.  I wonder if somebody could guess what
it is. Is it something dangerous? like a symptom of being cracked?  I use
Debian 3.0r2.
Thank you,
Ryo
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Re: See what a weak password will get ya?

[Frank Gevaerts]

On Thu, Jul 22, 2004 at 07:24:01PM -0700, Scarletdown wrote:
> I second that recommendation.  I always prefer to have passwords with 
> the following features:
> 
> Minimum of 8 characters
> At least 1 capital letter
> At least 1 lower case letter
> At least 1 number
> At least 1 special character

Except that in an ideal world where everyone uses random passwords, this
kind of restrictions actually makes the password easier to guess.

Frank

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Re: Is Linux Unix?

[Karsten M. Self]

on Fri, Jul 23, 2004 at 12:59:18AM -0700, Ryo Furue ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> "Steven Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> > Working in a MS, Solaris, Linux, Tru64 shop, I find that for the vast 
> > majority of our servers the usability of Linux is as good as Unix if not 
> > better. While Unix might have high end bits Linux lacks for 95% of the 
> > world's servers that small missing % I suspect is not an issue.
> 
> This is not a Linux-vs-Unix issue, but I've recently been experiencing
> a downside of Linux.  I think one of the biggest problems for developers
> of commercial software for Linux is that there's no such thing as "the"
> Linux OS.  There are simply too many combinations of the kernel version,
> libc version, pthreads version, etc. to support all.  The consequence is
> usually the vendor supports only the RedHat Linux.

FUD.  

http://www.justfuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=LSB.


Even if this means that you've "only" got a RedHat package, tools such
as alien (package format converter) will almost always get you a working
DEB (I've never had problems, though I use this for only a limited set
of packages).

I'd say you're revealing the inadequacy and inflexibility of closed,
proprietary development models more than you are any inherent failing of
Linux.

Though yes, at the end of the day, if you _need_ (and make sure that's
really, truly *need*) software application X for your business, then by
all means, find the platform it runs on.

[Intel blah blah blah]

Centrino.

Oh, and Randal Schwartz.

Go AMD!



> I also heard from a programmer that her company develops software only
> for Windows because it's so uniform and ubiguitous.  Her company,
> being small, wouldn't be able to support Linux.  If a costomer doesn't
> have a Windows machine, the company makes the costomer buy one.  (The
> sofwares so expensive that the cost of a lowly Windows machine is
> nothing.)

Developing to WINE would be a win over Microsoft's ever-morphing APIs,
and you'd buy a feasibe (if non-ideal) Linux port at the same time.

As for cost of a Windows machine.  Sure, they're relatively cheap.
Hell, the time I put into straightening two of 'em out last weekend
would have paid to replace them, and that's at a modest hourly rate.
Wherein lies the real problem.  Oh yeah:  one instance was installing
Microsoft's own Service Pack, following which the system blue-screened
immediately on reboot.  Standard, logged, safe, and last known good
modes as well.  I'll pick Debian unstable over that any day.



> Unfortunately, uniformity and community efforts don't come together.

Actually, there's a much _stronger_ tendency toward standardization
within open architectures than closed ones.  No one organization
controls the whole domain.  So the players within it must work together.
Not an iron rule, but *far* more likely than in proprietary space.

http://twiki.iwethey.org/Main/FreeSoftwarePrimer



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Re: it was supposed to be my first DVD

[Alexander Schmehl]

* Dan Jacobson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [040723 06:31]:

>   append="pci=biosirq hdc=ide-scsi hdd=ide-scsi max_scsi_luns=1"

> I assume it is these issues and we haven't even got to the encryption
> business. Yes I linked hdd->dvd.

I'm not sure, since I don't use ide-scsi any more, but if I remeber
corectly, you can't use hdd any more, if you use ide-scsi on it.

Try to link scd0 (or whatever) to dvd.


Yours sincerely,
  Alexander


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Re: some kind kiosk system

[Karsten M. Self]

on Fri, Jul 23, 2004 at 01:13:53AM -0700, Paul Johnson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Justinas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > There is an computer game club with 49 computers running
> > linux. I would be glad to hear any suggestions how to build entirely
> > system that forbids users to execute any other programs or scripts,
> > only games, browsers and some office programs. The main aim of this,
> > to keep computer out of trash and make administrators life
> > easer. Could somebody share experience on some kind computer kiosk
> > systems. Any suggestions, critics are acceptable.
> 
> Don't install more than you need installed.  That'll get you about 90%
> there.  The last 10% can be taken care of with groups and file
> permissions, or if you want to overkill it, the ACL permission support
> in 2.6 might be of help (however, I don't use ACL support, don't know
> how well it works, and have more or less been waiting for success or
> horror stories which have yet to materialize from what I've seen).

...user state in ramdisk and/or copied into the user's account at
startup.  And a watchdog to slay the user if critical files disappear or
are changed.

One of the better descriptions I've seen of a Linux Kiosk configuration
is JWZ's DNA Lounge systems.  San Francisco nightclub, typically filled
with several hundred highly individualistic patrons under varying
influences astrological to zoological, and overall both reliable and
usable.  GIYF.



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Re: Is Linux Unix?

[Steve Lamb]

Ryo Furue wrote:
> This is not a Linux-vs-Unix issue, but I've recently been experiencing
> a downside of Linux.  I think one of the biggest problems for developers
> of commercial software for Linux is that there's no such thing as "the"
> Linux OS.  There are simply too many combinations of the kernel version,
> libc version, pthreads version, etc. to support all.  The consequence is
> usually the vendor supports only the RedHat Linux.

Which is FUD.  How is it all these other software projects are able not
only to support Linux but Free/Open/NetBSD, Solaris, etc, etc, etc?  They use
the tools available to them.

In the case of Linux they choose the libraries, supporting tools needed
for their program and then program to that.  After they're done they, or
someone else, makes a package (deb preferred for reasons stated by Paul) and
*the packaing system handles the rest*.  You may think this is insane but this
is exactly what Windows programs have been doing since Wni95 was released!
The difference is there is no standard "package manager" on Windows.  It's
often called Wise or NullSoft's Installer or a few dozen other names.  But
rest assured those are (compared to deb) a primative form of package management.

If they really wanted to ensure their software worked properly they could
simply do a static compile and package that.

The above two methods are nothing new to some commercial vendors.  Opera
Software being the prime example.  Take a gander at this page:
http://www.opera.com/download/index.dml?platform=linux

3 debs, 5 RPMs, 5 TGZs.  All that and Mac, OS/2, Solaris, FreeBSD, QNX
and, oh, Windows versions too.

Wonder what they know that Intel doesn't?

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Re: Urgent :Dual boot Debian+Mandrake with lilo

[Vijaya S]

It didnt work Kent.
But it has to be mounted before i see it right
So i treid to
mkdir /mandrake
mount -t auto /dev/hda1 /mandrake and then edit /etc/lilo.conf
but i get this error
demo:/# mount -t auto /dev/hda1 /mandrake
mount: fs type ext3 not supported by kernel
so i tried using tune2fs to convert to ext3
i get this error
tune2fs -j /dev/hda1
tune2fs 1.27 (8-Mar-2002)
The filesystem already has a journal.

how do i mount and add to lilo
regards,
vijaya
Kent West wrote:

> Vijaya S wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Disk /dev/hda: 40.0 GB, 40020664320 bytes
> > 16 heads, 63 sectors/track, 77545 cylinders
> > Units = cylinders of 1008 * 512 = 516096 bytes
> >
> >Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
> > /dev/hda1   *   1   211641024+  83  Linux
> > /dev/hda2   21165   23287 10699925  Extended
> > /dev/hda3   23288   42663 9765504   83  Linux
> > /dev/hda5   21165   23287 1069960+  82  Linux swap
> >
> > I iinstalled Mandrake 10 first  on the machine with /dev/hda1 as /
> > partition and then /dev/hda5 as swap .
> > It happened successfully.
> > Then i installed Debian on /dev/hda3 and mounted it as / partition.and
> > used /dev/hda5 as swap again.
> > But when i boot i get Debian only
> > I want to edit lilo to get both Mandrake and Debian in the bootloader
> > menu.
> > How can i get my Mandrake back ..I cannot boot Mandrake again.
>
> Boot into Debian; edit /etc/lilo.conf. You'll find a section similar to:
>
> image=/vmlinuz
>  label=Linux
>  initrd=/initrd.img
>
> You'll need a second section similar to:
>
> image=/vmlinuz
>  label=Mandrake
>  initrd=/initrd.img
>  root=/dev/hda1
>
> (adjust according to Mandrake's needs - does it call the image file
> "vmlinuz", or "Mandrakelinux" or what? does it need an "initrd.img"
> file? etc.).
>
> Then run "lilo -v" and you should be in business.
>
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Re: some kind kiosk system

[Carl Fink]

On Fri, Jul 23, 2004 at 10:48:52AM +0300, Justinas wrote:

>   There is an computer game club with 49 computers running linux. I
>   would be glad to hear any suggestions how to build entirely system
>   that forbids users to execute any other programs or scripts, only
>   games, browsers and some office programs. The main aim of this, to
>   keep computer out of trash and make administrators life easer. Could
>   somebody share experience on some kind computer kiosk systems. Any
>   suggestions, critics are acceptable.

Instead of an X Window System window manager, use a custom menu system that
only lets people run a pre-set list of programs.  Disable the Virtual
Terminals (fiddle with Getty?) so people can't get to a command line that
way.  Modify inittab so people can't reboot without the root password.

Use a journaling file system, so you can reboot off a floppy or CD when you
actually need to install something.  

More technically elegant:  run the systems off a non-modifiable file system,
e.g. a bootable CD.

Also elegant:  netboot the systems off a network share.
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Re: Is Linux Unix?

[Erik Steffl]

Ryo Furue wrote:
"Steven Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
Working in a MS, Solaris, Linux, Tru64 shop, I find that for the vast 
majority of our servers the usability of Linux is as good as Unix if not 
better. While Unix might have high end bits Linux lacks for 95% of the 
world's servers that small missing % I suspect is not an issue.

This is not a Linux-vs-Unix issue, but I've recently been experiencing
a downside of Linux.  I think one of the biggest problems for developers
of commercial software for Linux is that there's no such thing as "the"
Linux OS.  There are simply too many combinations of the kernel version,
libc version, pthreads version, etc. to support all.  The consequence is
usually the vendor supports only the RedHat Linux.
I'm using the Intel Fortran Compiler (IFC).  Its version 7 runs on Debian
without any problem whatsoever, although Intel doesn't support Debian.  But,
last year Intel released a total rewrite of the compiler, version 8, with
which my Fortran programs don't work at all (*).  Since Debian isn't supported,
  about particular software (nptl thread library) not being available 
for woody: why not install it yourself? just because it's not available 
as debian package does not mean you cannot install it. I can imagine 
that this might not be possible in all cases but in general this 
approach solves lot of portability problems (from one linux 
distro/version to another linux or even unix distro/version).

even if I paid (which I don't), Intel wouldn't fix my problem.  (If paying
would fix it, I would pay.)  This is a big headache.  Uniformity is sometimes
good.
I also heard from a programmer that her company develops software only for
Windows because it's so uniform and ubiguitous.  Her company, being small,
wouldn't be able to support Linux.  If a costomer doesn't have a Windows
machine, the company makes the costomer buy one.  (The sofwares so expensive
that the cost of a lowly Windows machine is nothing.)
Unfortunately, uniformity and community efforts don't come together.
  I don't understand it. if you (they) think that it is acceptable to 
buy computer with windows just to make sure that the client has OS that 
software company supports why wouldn't it be acceptable to buy computer 
with redhat linux? if you are willing to have a dedicated machine then
you can have a dedicated machine that plays nicely with other linux 
machines...

  depending on the circumstances (not all solutions are 
possible/desirable in all situations):

  - statically link everything
  - provide your own shared libs (do not install in system dirs!)
  - have an experienced sysadmin set up the machine
  - develop portable software, do not depend on random quirks of 
kernels/libs

  uniformity and community don't come together??? compare linux distros 
to unix versions!

erik
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Re: which package owns system busy icon

[J.S.Sahambi]

Paul Johnson wrote:
"J.S.Sahambi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

I would like to know which package owns the icon which is displayed
when system is busy.

Not exactly giving us much to work with.  What software are you
specifically talking about?  Have you tried finding the icon files and
looking them up on http://packages.debian.org/ ?
What I meant is that when the system launches an application, if it 
takes some time, a wait cursor is shown. I want to know which package 
provides this cursor. Is it gnome, gdm or some other package.
Thanks
JSS

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Re: Webmin dies on startup

[Jaldhar H. Vyas]

On Thu, 22 Jul 2004, Jonathan Melhuish wrote:

> Since upgrading my system on 10th July, webmin hasn't worked.
>
> When I try running "/etc/init.d/webmin start", it says "Starting webmin:
> webmin" and returns control to the command line - but no processes persist
> and no ports stay open.  What's more, I don't even get any log output
> in /var/log/webmin/webmin.log or /var/log/messages.
>
> I usually run the stable version, but I have also tried installing the testing
> version, to no avail.  I have tried removing and re-installing both versions.
>
> Has anybody got any ideas?
>

Don't run the version from stable for a start.

I suspect that webmin can't bind to port 1 because something is
already on there.  Do a netstat -lpt as root and see if anything turns up.

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Re: Urgent :Dual boot Debian+Mandrake with lilo

[Vijaya S]

i get the error
demo:/boot# mount -t ext3 /dev/hda1 /mnt/
mount: fs type ext3 not supported by kernel

cnad when i check my cat /proc/filesystems

demo:/boot# cat /proc/filesystems
ext2
msdos
vfat
nodev   proc
nodev   nfs
iso9660
nodev   devpts

Vijaya

Silvan wrote:

> On Thursday 22 July 2004 01:55 pm, Vijaya S wrote:
>
> >Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
> > /dev/hda1   *   1   211641024+  83  Linux
> > /dev/hda2   21165   23287 10699925  Extended
> > /dev/hda3   23288   42663 9765504   83  Linux
> > /dev/hda5   21165   23287 1069960+  82  Linux swap
>
> > I want to edit lilo to get both Mandrake and Debian in the bootloader
> > menu.
> > How can i get my Mandrake back ..I cannot boot Mandrake again.
>
> I assume you want to boot Mandrake with a Mandrake-tweaked kernel, and Debian
> with a Debian-tweaked kernel, yes?  (Recommended.)
>
> You'll have to do more than the last poster implied.
>
> First, make a copy of /etc/lilo.conf before you start screwing with it.
>
> cp /etc/lilo.conf /etc/lilo.conf.saveass
>
> Now, the easiest thing is to pick ONE distro to manage your boot loader.
> Either Mandrake or Debian.  You'll drive yourself nuts trying to keep up with
> two copies of lilo.conf on two different partitions.  Let one manage the boot
> loader, and tell the other one to ignore the boot loader whenever
>
> Next, I create a mountpoint for Mandrake and mount it:
>
> mkdir /mandrake# to create a new mountpoint
> mount -t auto /dev/hda1 /mandrake  # or add an entry to /etc/fstab
>
> Verify that you see stuff in /mandrake/boot
>
> Now, if you're using Debian to manage this, its default lilo.conf will
> probably set you up to install the boot block to a partition, rather than a
> device.  If you have something like
>
> # Specifies the boot device
> boot=/dev/hda3
>
> You probably want to change it to:
>
> # Specifies the boot device
> boot=/dev/hda
>
> (Why?  I'm not sure, really.  It has always worked for me the way I suggest,
> while I've had problems doing it the Debian way.)
>
> Then you'll have something like:
>
> root=/dev/hda3
>
> Change it to:
>
> #root=/dev/hda3
>
> When you get down into this bit here (whatever yours says) stick a root= in
> here for this stanza:
>
> # These images were automagically added. You may need to edit something.
>
> image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.23-1-386
> label="DEB 2.4.23-0"
> root=/dev/hda3
> initrd=/boot/initrd.img-2.4.23-1-386
> read-only
>
> Then you just add a Mandrake stanza like:
>
> image=/mandrake/boot/vmlinuz
> label="Mandrake"
> root=/dev/hda1
> initrd=/mandrake/boot/initrd.img
> read-only
>
> (That should probably work.  Mandrake sets up and maintains symlinks
> so /boot/vmlinuz->your-real-kernel and so forth.)
>
> Then run /sbin/lilo -v to verify this worked.  Remember that I haven't done
> this in ages, so I may have gotten something wrong.  Please forgive me if I
> have.  The underlying principle is that you want to use the kernel from the
> Mandrake partion to install the entry for Mandrake.  If you just used /boot
> for both, you'd be booting Mandrake with a Debian kernel, which would break
> automount and perhaps other things.
>
> If something went wrong, you can
>
> cp -f /etc/lilo.conf.saveass /etc/lilo.conf
> /sbin/lilo -v
>
> to get back to where you started.
>
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Re: See what a weak password will get ya?

[Tim Connors]

Frank Gevaerts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said on Fri, 23 Jul 2004 10:44:34 +0200:
> On Thu, Jul 22, 2004 at 07:24:01PM -0700, Scarletdown wrote:
> > I second that recommendation.  I always prefer to have passwords with 
> > the following features:
> > 
> > Minimum of 8 characters
> > At least 1 capital letter
> > At least 1 lower case letter
> > At least 1 number
> > At least 1 special character
> 
> Except that in an ideal world where everyone uses random passwords, this
> kind of restrictions actually makes the password easier to guess.

That's precicely what I was thinking.

For each character range of size N that you *must* choose, you
diminish the keyspace by a factor of N/256.

So, if you must have a capital letter, there goes a factor of 26/256 ~
1/10.

If you must have a capital letter or a number, then that's now 36/256.

If you must have an underscore, then you lose a factor of 256. Whoa!

Of course, the 256 in all of the above should really be quite a lot
less (maybe 26+10+10 or so special chars?) because most people don't
enter high ascii and control characters into their passwords - maybe
they should :)

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Re: What's this mounted temporary drectory? /tmp/autoKVio9R

[Tim Connors]

Martin Fluch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said on Fri, 23 Jul 2004 11:41:36 +0300 (EEST):
> On Fri, 23 Jul 2004, Ryo Furue wrote:
> 
> > Hello all,
> >
> > I recently found the following:
> >  $ df -k
> >  [...]
> >  /tmp/autol8wP90   37483560   2742148  32837312   8% /tmp/autoKVio9R
> >  $
> > which I'd never seen before.  I'm the sole user and the admin of the machine.
> > Also,
> >  $ ls -lF /tmp
> >  total 28
> >  drwx--0 root root0 Jul 17 20:21 autoKVio9R/
> >  [...]
> >
> > and there's no /tmp/autol8wP90 .
> 
> Looks like something KDE related. Did you access some mountable media with 
> Konqueror?

And what do you base that on? The fact that it has a K in it's name?

I would have guessed something autofs related, based on the "auto" in
its name... (but I think that is wrong anyway - autofs doesn't mount
to temporary mountpoints, does it?)

Oh, and please bottom post.

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Re: Is Linux Unix?

[Ryo Furue]

Paul,

Thanks for your comments.

| > I'm using the Intel Fortran Compiler (IFC).  Its version 7 runs on
| > Debian without any problem whatsoever, although Intel doesn't support
| > Debian.  But, last year Intel released a total rewrite of the
| > compiler, version 8, with which my Fortran programs don't work at all
| > (*).  Since Debian isn't supported, even if I paid (which I don't),
| > Intel wouldn't fix my problem.  (If paying would fix it, I would pay.)
| > This is a big headache.  Uniformity is sometimes good.
| 
| However, as explained above, uniformity does not exist.  Quick, tell me
| which RPM I need, as a Debian user, to easily and cleanly install the
| software like the packager intended: Mandrake, Red Hat, Fedora, SuSE...

At least, Intel supports RedHat 9.0 (or whatever version Intel
mentions. I don't remember correctly.).  As long as you use that
version of RH, Intel will support you.  (If you replace the kernel,
libc, or other "critial" part of the OS, your support is void,
of course.)  And "most" people use RedHat anyway.  (In my workplace,
all the Linux users except me use RH, it seems.)  That's kind of
uniformity, isn't it?  Not as uniform as Windows XP, though.

| > I also heard from a programmer that her company develops software
| > only for Windows because it's so uniform and ubiguitous.
| 
| I usually feel sorry for people like that.  They miss the fact that unix
| is everywhere, has been everywhere for decades, and will probably be
| around long after the commercial software fad fades back into relative
| obscurity.

I suspect you miss my point.  Perhaps, I wan't clear enough.  Although
Unix is everywhere, it's not trivial to write a significant piece
of sotware which runs on all the major Unixes out there.  The example
I gave in my last message about the Intel compilear is a piece of
evidence which supports my opinion.

| > Unfortunately, uniformity and community efforts don't come together.
| 
| Right.  That's why all the open browsers are standards compliant,
| and IE is not.  Why pretty much every network service out there has
| a free, standards compliant implimentation, yet Microsoft still
| insists on breaking the uniformity and charging infinitely more for
| it.

I don't like what MS does, either.  But, that doesn't obscure the
fact from me that Windows XP is more uniform than Linuxes.  The Intel
compiler which runs on RedHat doesn't run on Debian, whereas Acrobat
reader which runs on a Windows XP machine will run on another.
That's not a fair comparison.  I know that.  My point is orthogonal
to standard compliance.  IE ignores the standard, but it runs on
evey Windows XP, which outnumbers Debian machines.

By the way, the Intel compiler doesn't run on Debian because our
thread library doesn't comply with the POSIX standard. At least so
I heard.  Standard compliance on this level is a faraway goal.
If there were a single, comprehensible standard of Unix, and every
brand of Linux/Unix follows it, source programs of open source
software wouldn't need those ugly "#ifdef _SOLARIS_9_" etc.

That's why commercial software vendors say something like
"Supported OSs: Solaris 9 and 10; Aix such-and-such; . . .".
That's understandable.  They have to test their program
extensively before its release and they have to get ready to
receive questions and complaints from the customers.  That incurs
a LOT of resources (money and manpower), I guess.

Some open source software like GNU emacs runs on most Unixes.
I bet a LOT of resources went into it.

By the way, I know apt is much better than rpm.  I'm not saying RH
is technically "better" than Debian.  I'm not saying Windows XP is
better than Linux.  I'm trying to explain why commercial vendors
are reluctant to develop software to run on all Linuxes, or on all
Unixes, for that matter.

Cheers,
Ryo


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Re: some kind kiosk system

[Justinas]

and what about user accounting system. U know, time counting, price etc. What do you 
suggest. I have found OpenKiosk, (openkiosk.sourceforge.net) what do you think about 
it? Does anybody have been using for a while?


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Re: What's this mounted temporary drectory? /tmp/autoKVio9R

[Martin Fluch]

On Fri, 23 Jul 2004, Tim Connors wrote:
Martin Fluch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said on Fri, 23 Jul 2004 11:41:36 +0300 (EEST):
 $ df -k
 [...]
 /tmp/autol8wP90   37483560   2742148  32837312   8% /tmp/autoKVio9R
 $
which I'd never seen before.  I'm the sole user and the admin of the machine.
Looks like something KDE related. Did you access some mountable media with
Konqueror?
And what do you base that on? The fact that it has a K in it's name?
Argh, my mistake ... "kvio" reminded me of something from KDE and I did 
draw the wrong conclusion. (There is a KDE application called "kivio" 
actually, but that has nothing to do with the problem.) Stupid mistake by 
me...

Sorry for the confusion,
- Martin
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broken exim4-config

[J. Nopr]

Hi all.  I am trying to set up exim4 to send mail out through my dsl provider's 
smarthost. 

I had been trying 'dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config' and the 'update-exim4.conf', but I 
think that I had already fudged something, because the exim4.conf files had the 
'DEBCONFvariableDEBCONF' constructs in them.   So I decided to re-install exim.  I 
issued 'apt-get remove exim4-base' (and another, I think exim4-config).  I also 
deleted the /etc/mail/exim4 directory.

Now When I insatll exim4*, I immediatly get an error, starting at exim4-config.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] sudo dpkg --configure exim4-config [/etc/exim4]
Setting up exim4-config (4.32-2) ...
Error: Unsplit config selected and /etc/exim4/exim4.conf.template missing ... exiting
dpkg: error processing exim4-config (--configure):
 subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
Errors were encountered while processing:
 exim4-config

Can somebody send me the exim4.conf.template file?  Also, any good links for setting 
up spamassasin w/ exim4 as a smarthost client?

Thanks,
-J. Nopr


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Re: See what a weak password will get ya?

[Paul Stolp]

* Monique Y. Mudama <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-07-23 00:04]:

> I'd add the suggestion to not use obvious usernames like "guest" ... 

agree -- I will prob. replace this account name

> 
> Btw, are you 100% sure they never managed to root you and replace some
> of your files?

I wasn't 100% sure I wasn't cracked when I installed, but I am sure that
my core utilities are the same as before this attempt. This and clean
chkrootkit are enough for me, as long as I continue to watch what's
going on.

Thanks everyone, mostly I was just venting, but hopefully this will help
prompt anyone who knows of a potential system weakness.

Paul
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Re: some kind kiosk system

[Steve Glines]

Karsten M. Self wrote:

> on Fri, Jul 23, 2004 at 01:13:53AM -0700, Paul Johnson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> 
>>Justinas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
>>
>>> There is an computer game club with 49 computers running
>>>linux. I would be glad to hear any suggestions how to build entirely
>>>system that forbids users to execute any other programs or scripts,
>>>only games, browsers and some office programs. The main aim of this,
>>>to keep computer out of trash and make administrators life
>>>easer. Could somebody share experience on some kind computer kiosk
>>>systems. Any suggestions, critics are acceptable.
>>
>>Don't install more than you need installed.  That'll get you about 90%
>>there.  The last 10% can be taken care of with groups and file
>>permissions, or if you want to overkill it, the ACL permission support
>>in 2.6 might be of help (however, I don't use ACL support, don't know
>>how well it works, and have more or less been waiting for success or
>>horror stories which have yet to materialize from what I've seen).
> 
> 
> ...user state in ramdisk and/or copied into the user's account at
> startup.  And a watchdog to slay the user if critical files disappear or
> are changed.
> 
> One of the better descriptions I've seen of a Linux Kiosk configuration
> is JWZ's DNA Lounge systems.  San Francisco nightclub, typically filled
> with several hundred highly individualistic patrons under varying
> influences astrological to zoological, and overall both reliable and
> usable.  GIYF.

Just invoke users shell as bash -r

PAX
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Re: See what a weak password will get ya?

[Awais Ahmad]

Hi,

I haven't caught the start of this thread, but how can you be sure your
core utilities have not been altered?

Do have a record of how they looked before the crack (a backup, MD5 sums
etc, AIDE,Tripwire database)?. IMO, you would really need to examine
those binaries on another box against a known equivalent clean copy or
backup/AIDE/Tripwire database before really being sure.


Awais


On Fri, 2004-07-23 at 12:23, Paul Stolp wrote:
> * Monique Y. Mudama <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-07-23 00:04]:
> 
> > I'd add the suggestion to not use obvious usernames like "guest" ... 
> 
> agree -- I will prob. replace this account name
> 
> > 
> > Btw, are you 100% sure they never managed to root you and replace some
> > of your files?
> 
> I wasn't 100% sure I wasn't cracked when I installed, but I am sure that
> my core utilities are the same as before this attempt. This and clean
> chkrootkit are enough for me, as long as I continue to watch what's
> going on.
> 
> Thanks everyone, mostly I was just venting, but hopefully this will help
> prompt anyone who knows of a potential system weakness.
> 
> Paul
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LVM over RAID

[Pete Clarke]

Hi gurus...

I have a question regarding LVM and RAID.

I have a 324gb and 350gb RAID enclosure, the 324gb consists of 9 x 36gb
discs, and the other is 7 x 50gb discs.
This space is destined for a file server, and usually I would just use
appropriate RAID level to define the volumes etc.
However, after being caught out with needing more space in the past I
decided to go the LVM route, what I need to know now is how best to go about
it...Do I:

Just treat each drive as a seperate device (i.e JBOD) and create a PV for
each disc and use software striping where necessary, or define each array as
one big RAID 0 (backup is taken care of) and create lots of little
partitions to use as PV's?

I guess the second route would be the best bet, as it would use the benefit
of hardware RAID 0 with smaller partitions. But would this cause issues by
having potentially *lots* of partitions spread over the disc (the howto
advises against using the partitions for PV's but rather to use whole
devices (discs /dev/sdxx etc.)).

I am basically looking for the solution that provides the best balance
between performance (speed is really an issue) and flexibility.

I have checked Google and the various howto's but they don't really touch on
this scenario...


Cheers,



Pete.


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Re: LVM over RAID

[Gregory Seidman]

On Fri, Jul 23, 2004 at 01:37:16PM +0100, Pete Clarke wrote:
} Hi gurus...
} 
} I have a question regarding LVM and RAID.
} 
} I have a 324gb and 350gb RAID enclosure, the 324gb consists of 9 x 36gb
} discs, and the other is 7 x 50gb discs.
} This space is destined for a file server, and usually I would just use
} appropriate RAID level to define the volumes etc.

Are you using hardware RAID or software RAID? It sounds like you intend
to use software RAID. It doesn't really change much, though.

} However, after being caught out with needing more space in the past I
} decided to go the LVM route, what I need to know now is how best to go about
} it...Do I:
} 
} Just treat each drive as a seperate device (i.e JBOD) and create a PV for
} each disc and use software striping where necessary, or define each array as
} one big RAID 0 (backup is taken care of) and create lots of little
} partitions to use as PV's?

If you don't actually want RAID functionality, you can use LVM to glue
all the disks together into one big virtual disk. That sounds like your
goal. Mind you, I'm a big fan of actually using RAID if I have enough
disks lying around to do it. I have an 8 x 18GB RAID5 myself.

} I guess the second route would be the best bet, as it would use the benefit
} of hardware RAID 0 with smaller partitions. But would this cause issues by
} having potentially *lots* of partitions spread over the disc (the howto
} advises against using the partitions for PV's but rather to use whole
} devices (discs /dev/sdxx etc.)).

That's largely meaningless. Hardware RAID makes the entire group of
disks look like a single device.

} I am basically looking for the solution that provides the best balance
} between performance (speed is really an issue) and flexibility.

Are you optimizing for write speed, read speed, or a balance? Is
redundancy not worth any speed reduction?

} I have checked Google and the various howto's but they don't really
} touch on this scenario...
} 
} Cheers,
} Pete.
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Re: LVM over RAID

[Alvin Oga]

hi ya pete

On Fri, 23 Jul 2004, Pete Clarke wrote:

> Just treat each drive as a seperate device (i.e JBOD) and create a PV for
> each disc and use software striping where necessary, or define each array as
> one big RAID 0 (backup is taken care of) and create lots of little
> partitions to use as PV's?

raid0 is a bad idea ...
if any one of the 5 or 7 disks dies, than the rest of the data
on the other disks are also instantly rendered useless 

jbod of is fine ... since the disks does NOT depend on the others

> I am basically looking for the solution that provides the best balance
> between performance (speed is really an issue) and flexibility.

if you have 5 disks ... all identical... your mtbf is .2*MTBF

best balance ...

- get 3 new 300GB drives ( $250ea ) and backup the data 2x on the
other 2 spare disks ...

if speed is an issue ... mirror than stripe um properly ... vs stripe than
mirror but it all depends on the data and partitions too

c ya
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dhclient renews lease every 5 secs

[David Purton]

This is finally driven me nuts enough to try and fix it.

I use dhcp to get an ip address from my dlink dsl 300+ modem.

The problem is, that it wants to renew it every 5 seconds and syslog
*fills* up with this sort of log message:

Jul 23 22:41:29 vetinari dhclient-2.2.x: DHCPREQUEST on eth1 to 203.87.20.175 port 67
Jul 23 22:41:29 vetinari dhclient-2.2.x: DHCPACK from 203.87.20.175
Jul 23 22:41:29 vetinari dhclient-2.2.x: bound to 203.87.20.174 -- renewal in 5 
seconds.


I've tried stuffing around with dhclient.conf to try and specify the
lease time, but I can't get it working.

Can anyone help me.

I gather I can probably get it to log somewhere else, but I'd much
rather have it log *much* less frequently. I have a static ip address,
so it doesn't need to renew frequently at all.


cheers

dc

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Re: USB disk drive

[Micha Feigin]

On Thu, Jul 22, 2004 at 04:42:42PM -0700, Bill Moseley wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 22, 2004 at 05:15:42PM +0300, Micha Feigin wrote:
> > 
> > Try modprobe sd-mod (scsi disk support).
> 
> Yep!  That solves the problem.
> 
> It mounts vfat with only a Recycled directory and in that directory
> some odd looking files:
> 
> bumby:/mnt/Recycled# ls
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]???{???8.?xd  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  h·??(?no.?^e  s÷?¼'8?(.?¤?  
> ??\?^???.???  _?xr?b9?.??<
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]???{???8.?xd  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  h·??(?no.?^e  s÷?¼'8?(.?¤?  
> ??\?^???.???  _?xr?b9?.??<
> 

Could it be that the file names are not in English? I have the same
behavior with Hebrew file names. Saw once how to fix it but didn't have
enough motivation to try yet, so I don't remember how it went, sorry.

> I think it's best I don't try and write to it.
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Re: Building 2.6.x kernel

[Micha Feigin]

On Thu, Jul 22, 2004 at 10:32:05AM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Maybe my last message went astray.
> 
> Has anyone had any success using a 2.6.[67] kernel built themselves?
> 

Yes, several of them (2.6.8-rc2 currently). All using
make-kpkg --revision  kernel-image
Note though that for some reason make-kpkg no longer runs clean first
and will not rebuild a modified configuration, just reinstall into the
package. If you change configuration and need to recompile you need to
either run make-kpkg clean or run make and then run make-kpkg again
after the new parts have been built.

> I have now built a 2.6.6 and a 2.6.7 using make_kpkg. Both have
> apparently installed OK but panicked because they couldn't mount my
> root partition.
> 

You need to compile the file system for you root partition into the
kernel and not as a module if you are not using initrd (which the stock
kernels do).

> Said partition is an ext3 created during a stock sarge install. The
> original 2.4.25 and an installed 2.6.6-1.k7 kernel have no problems.
> 

Make sure that ext3 support is compiled in and not as a module.

> Also, I cannot create the modules for either 2.6.6 or 2.6.7, The
> attempt to make the modules eventally barfs telling me that there is a
> missing file /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.7/include.linux/modversions.h
> and tells me to run make dep to creat it.
> 

make-kpkg build the modules automatically for you and puts them into the
kernel package actually. I think running make (without any rule) also
built the modules, but not sure.

> But running make dep simply results in a mesage saying that make dep
> is no longer necessary. WRONG.
> 
> Anyone any suggestions? I cannot use ndiswrapper on my notebook
> without recompiling the kernel and can't get the wireless connection
> working untiloh spit!
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Re: Is Linux Unix?

[Kent West]

Erik Steffl wrote:
Ryo Furue wrote:
I think one of the biggest problems for developers
of commercial software for Linux is that there's no such thing as "the"
Linux OS.  There are simply too many combinations of the kernel version,
libc version, pthreads version, etc. to support all.  The consequence is
usually the vendor supports only the RedHat Linux.

  about particular software (nptl thread library) not being available 
for woody: why not install it yourself? just because it's not 
available as debian package does not mean you cannot install it
Sure, that works for sysadmins who know what they're doing. But that's 
not going to work for the masses. Which means the vendor must put in 
extra effort to get things to work. The result is that the vendor 
chooses not to go down that path, and Linux remains a niche product 
rather than moving into the mainstream, due to lack of "developers 
developers developers developers . . . " (courtesy of Steve "Monkey Boy" 
Balmer).

I also heard from a programmer that her company develops software 
only for
Windows because it's so uniform and ubiguitous.

  I don't understand it. if you (they) think that it is acceptable to 
buy computer with windows just to make sure that the client has OS 
that software company supports why wouldn't it be acceptable to buy 
computer with redhat linux?

You keep looking at this from the customer's point of view; the customer 
can do this or that. The original poster was pointing out things from a 
vendor's point of view. Sure the customer can deal with the headache of 
making things work, but the OP was saying that the vendor doesn't want 
to deal with the headaches. Whether he's right or wrong with his points, 
you're discussing two different things.

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Re: Re: LVM over RAID

[Pete Clarke]

> Are you using hardware RAID or software RAID? It sounds like you intend
> to use software RAID. It doesn't really change much, though.

The Fileserver has 3 hardware RAID cards with onboard cache.
All discs are SCSI.

> If you don't actually want RAID functionality, you can use LVM to glue
> all the disks together into one big virtual disk. That sounds like your
> goal. Mind you, I'm a big fan of actually using RAID if I have enough
> disks lying around to do it. I have an 8 x 18GB RAID5 myself.

The main crux of the question is, I guess, whether it would be better to use
the RAID 0 of the hardware RAID card to glue the discs, then create little
partitions for use with LVM or to use LVM to stripe across the JBOD discs..

Would using the discs as hardware RAID 0 with say 10gig partitions be
quicker than using LVM to stripe across the discs set up as JBOD?

> Are you optimizing for write speed, read speed, or a balance? Is
> redundancy not worth any speed reduction?

As it is a fileserver I think a balance would be best.
Redundancy is not a major issue, I have backups, however, if it doesn't
impact too much I may consider RAID 5 for the data arrays.

Cheers,


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Re: Is Linux Unix?

[Kent West]

Steve Lamb wrote:
Ryo Furue wrote:
 

This is not a Linux-vs-Unix issue, but I've recently been experiencing
a downside of Linux.  I think one of the biggest problems for developers
of commercial software for Linux is that there's no such thing as "the"
Linux OS.  There are simply too many combinations of the kernel version,
libc version, pthreads version, etc. to support all.  The consequence is
usually the vendor supports only the RedHat Linux.
   

   Which is FUD.  How is it all these other software projects are able not
only to support Linux but Free/Open/NetBSD, Solaris, etc, etc, etc?
 

Because they put in exra effort to make it so.
IIUC, the original poster was pointing out that a small developer might 
have the resources to put out an application that runs on 90% of the 
personal computers out there. He'd like to collect another 5% of the 
market with several *nix versions, but that means he has to acquire the 
resources (training or hiring, etc) to develop for a dozen different 
*nix implementations. Sure it can be done. And it might even be done 
fairly easily as a tarball. But the vendor may not know that, or he 
might want to present a pointy-click installation instead of a tarball. 
The point of the original poster is not that these things can't be done; 
it was that that there is "no such thing as 'the' Linux OS." Instead 
there is the RPM-based Linux OSes, and the 2.4-based Linux OSes, etc. If 
these differences really don't matter, then that message needs to be 
disseminated to developers, because right now developers think it takes 
too much work. Whether that's correct or not, that seems to be the 
perception.

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nfs locking daemon?

[Christian Schwarz]

Hi!

Is there a special "nfs locking daemon" for NFS-clients?

I'm running a server with nfs-kernel-server and on the server there is a
"lockd" process.  If I try to log into GNOME 2.2 on the client (which has
nfs-mounted home directories), GNOME complains about "a problem with your
operating system configuration": "A common cause of this error is that the
"nfslock" service has been disabled."  Unfortunately, I can't find a
"nfslock" package in Debian.


Thanks for your help,

Chris

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Re: LVM over RAID

[Shri Shrikumar]

On Fri, 2004-07-23 at 13:37, Pete Clarke wrote:
> I am basically looking for the solution that provides the best balance
> between performance (speed is really an issue) and flexibility.

One point to make which others might point out as well is the risk of
going to raid0. if one disk dies, you will lose all your data. If you
are interested in read performance (a lot of reads with a few writes),
look into mirroring the drives as this will give you some redundancy as
well.

With regards to whether you should use raid / lvm. This depends, if you
have a good hardware raid card, use that as it may have an onboard CPU.
Otherwise, just use software raid.

What I tend to do is use raidtools / mdadm to raid all the hdd's
together and then run lvm on top of that purely for space partitioning
so that it is easier to re-allocate space when necessary.

If you then add hard drives, raid them as necessary and join them to the
lvm volume.

HTH, YMMV,

Shri

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Re: nfs locking daemon?

[Awais Ahmad]

Yes, lockd. You need to run it on the clients. 

Awais


On Fri, 2004-07-23 at 15:22, Christian Schwarz wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> Is there a special "nfs locking daemon" for NFS-clients?
> 
> I'm running a server with nfs-kernel-server and on the server there is a
> "lockd" process.  If I try to log into GNOME 2.2 on the client (which has
> nfs-mounted home directories), GNOME complains about "a problem with your
> operating system configuration": "A common cause of this error is that the
> "nfslock" service has been disabled."  Unfortunately, I can't find a
> "nfslock" package in Debian.
> 
> 
> Thanks for your help,
> 
> Chris
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RE: dpkg/apt question

[Preston Boyington]

Monique Y. Mudama wrote:
> 
> Is there any particular reason that you don't want to use aptitude or
> dselect to interactively change the installed packages?
> 
> --
> monique

sorry, there was more to the story than i guess i led you to believe.  here's a bit 
more information.

the existing debian box that i was given is basically a test machine.  the company 
wanted to see if there was an efficient way of getting machines used here to a 
"baseline" setup.  if this could be done without reinstalling then we could keep the 
machines running Debian.  if not, then another distribution would be chosen (i don't 
pretend to understand the reasoning for their thinking about changing).

wanting to establish a "baseline" for the packages we took a fresh box, loaded only 
what would be used, and generated a package list.

using the commands with the generated package list:

dpkg --set-selections < packages.txt
apt-get dselect-upgrade

we showed how easy it was to totally change the test bed of machines (initially one, 
then five).

we are now going to roll out these changes to all our machines in this complex (30+) 
and another 15-20 machines in two satellite offices.


thanks all,
Preston

Re: Urgent :Dual boot Debian+Mandrake with lilo

[Kent West]

Vijaya S wrote:
It didnt work Kent.
But it has to be mounted before i see it right
 

No; you don't need to mount your Mandrake partitions in order to change 
the /etc/lilo.conf file on your Debian side. Since Debian is the last OS 
installed, I'm assuming that your current lilo is from Debian, not 
Mandrake, so it's the Debian lilo that needs to be modified.

So i treid to
mkdir /mandrake
mount -t auto /dev/hda1 /mandrake and then edit /etc/lilo.conf
but i get this error
demo:/# mount -t auto /dev/hda1 /mandrake
mount: fs type ext3 not supported by kernel
 

This means that the /dev/hda1 has an ext3 journal, but your Debian 
kernel doesn't have ext3 support. Try "modprobe ext3" to add that 
support to the Debian kernel (for this boot only; to make it permanent, 
add "ext3" to /etc/modules, or use modconf instead to add the ext3 module).

so i tried using tune2fs to convert to ext3
 

It's already ext3; you just need ext3 support in your kernel; you don't 
need to convert an ext3 fs to an ext3 fs.

i get this error
tune2fs -j /dev/hda1
tune2fs 1.27 (8-Mar-2002)
The filesystem already has a journal.
how do i mount and add to lilo
regards,
vijaya
Kent West wrote:
 

Oh, btw, it's generally considered improper on this list to top-post 
(putting your answers above the previous context). Instead, you should 
answer directly below the context to which you're responding.

Vijaya S wrote:
   

I iinstalled Mandrake 10 first  on the machine with /dev/hda1 as /
partition and then /dev/hda5 as swap .
It happened successfully.
Then i installed Debian on /dev/hda3 and mounted it as / partition.and
used /dev/hda5 as swap again.
But when i boot i get Debian only
I want to edit lilo to get both Mandrake and Debian in the bootloader
menu.
How can i get my Mandrake back ..I cannot boot Mandrake again.
 

Boot into Debian; edit /etc/lilo.conf.

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Advanced Routing

[Mariano Wahlmann]

I need some help to solve a routing problem..
I have a firewall, using NAT , and it have 2 internet conections, i has
only one NIC, with several virtual ips, the list is:
eth0: 168.96.1.35  (Internet 1)
eth0:1 157.92.1.35 (Internet 2)
eth0:2 10.0.0.1 (local net)
default gateway 168.96.1.1
I want to NAT ftp conections over Internet 2 interface, i add this rule
to iptables
iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 10.0.0.0/16 -p tcp -m tcp --dport
20:21 -j SNAT --to-source 157.92.1.35
with this rule i can do nothing because it transform the source address
to 157.92.1.35, but it tries to go out by 168.96.1.1, so i want to add
another default gateway only when src ip is 157.92.1.35, i tried the
following and it doesn't work
ip ro add default via 157.92.1.99 table ftp
ip ru add from 157.92.1.35 table ftp
and sometimes works and sometimes stop working...
Does anybody have an idea???


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Re: mkinitrd: RAID support requires raidtools2

[Justin Guerin]

On Thursday 22 July 2004 15:57, Alec Berryman wrote:
> I'm trying to do software raid on a fresh install of Woody with a
> 2.4.26 kernel.  In order to load the software raid I need to make an
> initrd image, so I installed initrd-tools.  However, when I run
> mkinitrd, I get the following message:
>
> # mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd.img-2.4.26 2.4.26
> /usr/sbin/mkinitrd: RAID support requires raidtools2
>
> I've got raidtools2 installed (even though I am using mdadm).  I have
> the module 'md' specified in /etc/mkinitrd/modules.  What can I do to
> fix this error?

One quick thing to try is adding raid1 (or whatever raid level you're 
running) to /etc/mkinitrd/modules.

Justin Guerin


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Re: dhclient renews lease every 5 secs

[Stefaan Himpe]

> I have a static ip address,
so it doesn't need to renew frequently at all.
If you have a static ip address, you shouldn't use dhcp at all.
Just configure it in your /etc/networks/interfaces file.
at a terminal type:
info interfaces
to find out more
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Re: ZIP drive question.

[Forinash, Kyle]

On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 06:27:38 -0500
"Forinash, Kyle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> >/home/kyle# /bin/mount /dev/hdd /mnt/zip
> >mount: you must specify the filesystem type
> >/home/kyle# /bin/mount -t vfat /dev/hdd /mnt/zip
> >mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdd,
> >   or too many mounted file systems
> >/home/kyle# /sbin/fdisk /dev/hdd
> 
> >Command (m for help): p
> 
> >Disk /dev/hdd: 64 heads, 32 sectors, 239 cylinders
> >Units = cylinders of 2048 * 512 bytes
> 
> >   Device BootStart   EndBlocks   Id  System
> >/dev/hdd4   * 1   2392447206  FAT16
> 
> >Command (m for help): q
> 
> >:/home/kyle# /bin/mount -t FAT16 /dev/hdd4 /mnt/zip
> >>mount: fs type FAT16 not supported by kernel
> 
> --
> You're on the right track. As root try "mount -t vfat /dev/hdd4
> /mnt/zip".
> 
> HTH,
> Jacob
> -
> Nope I get:
> /home/kyle# /bin/mount -t vfat /dev/hdd4 /mnt/zip
> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdd4,
>or too many mounted file systems
>(could this be the IDE device where you in fact use
>ide-scsi so that sr0 or sda or so is needed?)
> 
> I'm still stumped(but thanks for the help-at least I'm not being
> stupid)
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This zip disk is formatted, isn't it?

Try one more mount command - "mount -t msdos /dev/hdd4 /mnt/zip".

HTH,
Jacob

Yes, this is a backup disk with stuff on it.

:/home/kyle# mount -t msdos /dev/hdd4 /mnt/zip
mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdd4,
   or too many mounted file systems
   (could this be the IDE device where you in fact use
   ide-scsi so that sr0 or sda or so is needed?)

The drive does react and sound like it tries to read the disk. I tired to new 
partition a different disk with fdisk but get the same thing.

Having spent some time Googleing I have discovered what may be the problem (and I'm 
learning a lot!): vfat.o (msdos, FAT16 etc.) is NOT in /lib/modules/2.2.20-idepci/fs/ 
(in fact no where in the system- how I installed a clean system without it is beyond 
me, lots of other modules are there).

I think maybe if I had version kernal version 2.2.20 of vfat I could insmod it (other 
versions of vfat will not fool insmod -I tried using a different version from an old 
RedHat system). 

I don't know any other way of getting around this, if that is the problem (except 
perhaps a kernel recompile, and I don't have time to learn how to do that right now).

Thanks for the help, any suggestions?

kyle

Re: dhclient renews lease every 5 secs

[Stefaan Himpe]

I have a static ip address,
so it doesn't need to renew frequently at all.
In case of a static ip address, don't use dhcp.
Dhcp is for dynamic ip addresses only.
Think of your modem as an extension of your computer.
If the modem has a static ip address and your computer
is connected directly to the modem then your computer
has the same static ip address.
Just configure this static address in the /etc/network/interfaces file.
at a terminal, type:
info interfaces
to learn how.
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Re: Advanced Routing

[Jon]

What you will need is to use source routing with iproute2.
You will need to set up multiple (2) routing tables, each table having
the default gateway for the chosen interface, and a route for the
other public IP and the 10.0.0.0 block.
Then you use rules that determine which routing table to use (and thus
interface / network) based on source IP or other matches.

http://en.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/iproute2.html

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On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 11:48:51 -0300, Mariano Wahlmann
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I need some help to solve a routing problem..
> 
> I have a firewall, using NAT , and it have 2 internet conections, i has
> only one NIC, with several virtual ips, the list is:
> eth0: 168.96.1.35  (Internet 1)
> eth0:1 157.92.1.35 (Internet 2)
> eth0:2 10.0.0.1 (local net)
> 
> default gateway 168.96.1.1
> 
> I want to NAT ftp conections over Internet 2 interface, i add this rule
> to iptables
> iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 10.0.0.0/16 -p tcp -m tcp --dport
> 20:21 -j SNAT --to-source 157.92.1.35
> 
> with this rule i can do nothing because it transform the source address
> to 157.92.1.35, but it tries to go out by 168.96.1.1, so i want to add
> another default gateway only when src ip is 157.92.1.35, i tried the
> following and it doesn't work
> 
> ip ro add default via 157.92.1.99 table ftp
> ip ru add from 157.92.1.35 table ftp
> 
> and sometimes works and sometimes stop working...
> 
> Does anybody have an idea???
> 
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Re: dhclient renews lease every 5 secs

[Stefaan Himpe]

 I have a static ip address,
so it doesn't need to renew frequently at all.
If you have a static ip address then don't use dhcp.
Dhcp is only used to get a dynamic ip address.
Think of your modem as an extension of your computer.
If the modem has a static ip address, then your computer
has the same static ip address.
Just configure your static ip address in /etc/network/interfaces
(at a terminal, type:
info interfaces
to find out more)
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Re: dhclient renews lease every 5 secs

[Alec Berryman]

begin  quotation of David Purton:

> This is finally driven me nuts enough to try and fix it.
> 
> I use dhcp to get an ip address from my dlink dsl 300+ modem.
> 
> The problem is, that it wants to renew it every 5 seconds and syslog
> *fills* up with this sort of log message:
> 
> Jul 23 22:41:29 vetinari dhclient-2.2.x: DHCPREQUEST on eth1 to 203.87.20.175 port 67
> Jul 23 22:41:29 vetinari dhclient-2.2.x: DHCPACK from 203.87.20.175
> Jul 23 22:41:29 vetinari dhclient-2.2.x: bound to 203.87.20.174 -- renewal in 5 
> seconds.
> 
> 
> I've tried stuffing around with dhclient.conf to try and specify the
> lease time, but I can't get it working.

In dhclient.conf there's an option for renew; I assume this is the one
that didn't work for you (if not, look at dhclient.conf(5)).
 
Otherwise, this doesn't seem like your problem; DHCP servers are the
ones to set lease time.  For example, in ISC DHCPD, one of the first
options set is 'default-lease-time'.  Perhaps your ISP has this set
low?  If you can boot to another Linux distribution (knoppix, perhaps)
and you still see the excessive messages, this is probably the case.
There's not much you can do short of calling your ISP and telling them
that they're wasting bandwidth; if it gets annoying, tell syslog to
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Re: dhclient renews lease every 5 secs

[Alec Berryman]

begin  quotation of Stefaan Himpe:

> In case of a static ip address, don't use dhcp.
> Dhcp is for dynamic ip addresses only.

It's also possible his ISP has assigned him a static IP through DHCP;
this does make configuration easier for most folks as you don't need
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Re: Advanced Routing

[Jon]

Doh, that URL is not the one I meant to paste.

http://www.linuxguruz.com/iptables/howto/2.4routing-4.html

The above URL has the example I meant to point out.

On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 11:27:13 -0400, Jon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What you will need is to use source routing with iproute2.
> You will need to set up multiple (2) routing tables, each table having
> the default gateway for the chosen interface, and a route for the
> other public IP and the 10.0.0.0 block.
> Then you use rules that determine which routing table to use (and thus
> interface / network) based on source IP or other matches.
> 
> http://en.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/iproute2.html
> 
> -- Jon
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 11:48:51 -0300, Mariano Wahlmann
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I need some help to solve a routing problem..
> >
> > I have a firewall, using NAT , and it have 2 internet conections, i has
> > only one NIC, with several virtual ips, the list is:
> > eth0: 168.96.1.35  (Internet 1)
> > eth0:1 157.92.1.35 (Internet 2)
> > eth0:2 10.0.0.1 (local net)
> >
> > default gateway 168.96.1.1
> >
> > I want to NAT ftp conections over Internet 2 interface, i add this rule
> > to iptables
> > iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 10.0.0.0/16 -p tcp -m tcp --dport
> > 20:21 -j SNAT --to-source 157.92.1.35
> >
> > with this rule i can do nothing because it transform the source address
> > to 157.92.1.35, but it tries to go out by 168.96.1.1, so i want to add
> > another default gateway only when src ip is 157.92.1.35, i tried the
> > following and it doesn't work
> >
> > ip ro add default via 157.92.1.99 table ftp
> > ip ru add from 157.92.1.35 table ftp
> >
> > and sometimes works and sometimes stop working...
> >
> > Does anybody have an idea???
> >
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why wxwindows applications doesn't use gtk2?

[Haim Ashkenazi]

Hi

Someone wanted me to install FreeBSD for him, so I played a little with
it, and found that when I compile application that use wxwindows it uses
gtk2 instead of gtk1. until now I was sure that that's what wxwindows uses
(gtk1.x). I have on my 'unstable' libwxgtk2.4 but when I compile an
application from source (e.g. xchm) I still don't get gtk2 look and feel.
does anybody knows why?

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Re: See what a weak password will get ya?

[Kirk Strauser]

On Thursday 22 July 2004 17:42, Paul Stolp wrote:

> See what a weak password will get ya?

No.  I do, however, see what allowing password logins to an SSH server will 
get you.  I could set my password to "foo" and you still aren't getting in 
without my RSA key (or Kerberos ticket).

Oh, and disable root logins while you're at it if you haven't already.
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Re: ZIP drive question.

[Jacob S.]

On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 09:58:15 -0500
"Forinash, Kyle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 06:27:38 -0500
> "Forinash, Kyle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> This zip disk is formatted, isn't it?
> 
> Try one more mount command - "mount -t msdos /dev/hdd4 /mnt/zip".
> 
> HTH,
> Jacob
> 
> Yes, this is a backup disk with stuff on it.
> 
> :/home/kyle# mount -t msdos /dev/hdd4 /mnt/zip
> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdd4,
>or too many mounted file systems
>(could this be the IDE device where you in fact use
>ide-scsi so that sr0 or sda or so is needed?)
> 
> The drive does react and sound like it tries to read the disk. I tired
> to new partition a different disk with fdisk but get the same thing.
> 
> Having spent some time Googleing I have discovered what may be the
> problem (and I'm learning a lot!): vfat.o (msdos, FAT16 etc.) is NOT
> in /lib/modules/2.2.20-idepci/fs/ (in fact no where in the system- how
> I installed a clean system without it is beyond me, lots of other
> modules are there).
> 
> I think maybe if I had version kernal version 2.2.20 of vfat I could
> insmod it (other versions of vfat will not fool insmod -I tried using
> a different version from an old RedHat system). 
> 
> I don't know any other way of getting around this, if that is the
> problem (except perhaps a kernel recompile, and I don't have time to
> learn how to do that right now).

Now that I look, the 2.4.18-bf2.4 kernel in Woody comes with vfat
compiled into the kernel instead of as a module. I'm not sure about
2.2.20-idepci, but I would suspect it's the same. grep for "VFAT" in
/boot/config-2.2.20-idepci and see what it says. It should read 'y' for
compiled into the kernel, 'm' for compiled as a module or 'n' for not
compiled at all. On the off chance that 2.2.20-idepci doesn't have vfat
support, "apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-bf2.4" should install a
newer kernel with vfat support compiled in - saving you the trouble of
having to compile your own.

Also, what version of Windows was used to write to this disk? Did you
ever format it in Windows, or just used it with the format that Iomega
puts on their PC zip disks?

Sorry, it's been a little while since I've played with zip drives.
Hopefully someone else will jump in here if they see me going wrong.

HTH,
Jacob

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Samba in ADS Domain

[Edwards, Thomas W.]

Has anyone gotten samba 2.2 to join an ADS domain structure,
is Kerberos required for this to work?  I believe it is required to be
installed but does it have to actually be configured to work.

 

Thanks.

Maximum number of logical partitions

[Pete Clarke]

Hi there,

Does anyone know the maximum number of partitions that can be created on a
SCSI disc?
I have Googled and come up with the following:

Primary - 4.

SCSI - 15 logical;
IDE   - 63 logical.

Seems a bit odd?
I am using Kernel-2.4.18-1-686-smp on Woody.

Cheers,


Pete.


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Re: broken exim4-config

[CW Harris]

On Thu, Jul 22, 2004 at 04:08:41AM -0700, J. Nopr wrote:
> Hi all.  I am trying to set up exim4 to send mail out through my dsl
> provider's smarthost. 
> 
[...]
[text wrapped - *please* wrap your lines.]

> Now When I insatll exim4*, I immediatly get an error, starting at
> exim4-config.
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] sudo dpkg --configure exim4-config  
>  [/etc/exim4]
> Setting up exim4-config (4.32-2) ...
> Error: Unsplit config selected and /etc/exim4/exim4.conf.template
>  missing ... exiting
> dpkg: error processing exim4-config (--configure):
>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
> Errors were encountered while processing:
>  exim4-config
> 
> Can somebody send me the exim4.conf.template file?  Also, any good links

You already have it. It is part of the exim4-config package.  It sounds
like your installation is confused.  Perhaps you need to re-install
exim4-config.  Maybe try:
apt-get --reinstall install exim4-config

> for setting up spamassasin w/ exim4 as a smarthost client?
> 
> Thanks,
> -J. Nopr

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Re: why wxwindows applications doesn't use gtk2?

[Greg Folkert]

On Fri, 2004-07-23 at 11:17, Haim Ashkenazi wrote:
> Hi
> 
> Someone wanted me to install FreeBSD for him, so I played a little with
> it, and found that when I compile application that use wxwindows it uses
> gtk2 instead of gtk1. until now I was sure that that's what wxwindows uses
> (gtk1.x). I have on my 'unstable' libwxgtk2.4 but when I compile an
> application from source (e.g. xchm) I still don't get gtk2 look and feel.
> does anybody knows why?

Why not look for yourself?

http://packages.qa.debian.org/w/wxwindows2.4.html

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=206172

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ECS 741GX-M main board problems...

[Matthew T. Smith]

I'm unable to get any PCI device to work with a ECS
741GX-M main board using debian 3.0r2. As I can tell,
the is a driver not working/missing preventing any PCI
device from even being probed. I'm not sure how to
show the proper output here as most of the relavent
things scroll by very fast and 'dmesg' does not output
anything usefull in this case. 

I am unable to find anything really usefull on lists
and the web (its probably there and I'm just unable to
find it). 

This board has an onbaord NIC that I believe will use
the sis900 module. 

I'm stuck and would welcome ANY advice. 

Oh, and redhat 9 is able to operate this board ok. I
tried using redhats kernel config to conpile a kernel
for this baord. The compile was successful, but this
did not solve the problem.

Thanks ahead of time for ANY advice or links will be
welcome.

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Exim "From " header

[Master_PE]

Hi to all,

I have a problem with exim. When I get a message exim add's header at
the first line. Now is the problem that some pop3 client just like
pullmail fail on this header. How can i solve this one?

Regards,
Master_PE


Example message:


>From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Jul 23 18:36:10 2004
Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Envelope-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Received: from root by server04.get-online.nl with local (Exim 3.35 #1
(Debian))
id 1Bo31m-0005Qe-00
for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 18:36:10
+0200
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: root <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 18:36:10 +0200

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Re: which package owns system busy icon

[Greg Folkert]

On Fri, 2004-07-23 at 05:58, J.S.Sahambi wrote:
> Paul Johnson wrote:
> > "J.S.Sahambi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > 
> > 
> >>I would like to know which package owns the icon which is displayed
> >>when system is busy.
> > 
> > 
> > Not exactly giving us much to work with.  What software are you
> > specifically talking about?  Have you tried finding the icon files and
> > looking them up on http://packages.debian.org/ ?
> 
> What I meant is that when the system launches an application, if it 
> takes some time, a wait cursor is shown. I want to know which package 
> provides this cursor. Is it gnome, gdm or some other package.

For grins and giggles install "galternatives"

The run it, look for x-cursor-theme. Change as needed.


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Re: Detaching and reattaching a process to different terminals?

[Greg Folkert]

On Thu, 2004-07-22 at 09:17, John Hasler wrote:
> Stephen Touset writes:
> > I executed it on an xterm (and it's been running for a few days now, so I
> > don't want to stop it mid-calculation), but today is a workday. At work,
> > I use two screens on my laptop. The only way to accomplish this is to
> > restart X so Xinerama can take effect.  Unfortunately, this will also
> > have the nasty side effect of killing execution.
> 
> Start a second X server.

This is the route I would take!
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Re: which package owns system busy icon

[Ricky Clarkson]

> For grins and giggles install "galternatives"
> 
> The run it, look for x-cursor-theme. Change as needed.

Not many grins and giggles for me.

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
  galternatives: Depends: python-glade2 but it is not going to be installed
E: Broken packages

Guess I'll try to remember galternatives and try again on Monday.


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Re: Maximum number of logical partitions

[Andreas Janssen]

Hello

Pete Clarke (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:

> Does anyone know the maximum number of partitions that can be created
> on a SCSI disc?
> I have Googled and come up with the following:
> 
> Primary - 4.
> 
> SCSI - 15 logical;
> IDE   - 63 logical.
> 
> Seems a bit odd?

Seems to be (mostly) correct. Take a look at the minor numbers of
thedevice files:

brw-rw1 root disk   8,   1 2004-05-21 03:20 /dev/sda1
[...]
brw-rw1 root disk   8,  15 2004-05-21 03:20 /dev/sda15
brw-rw1 root disk   8,  16 2004-05-21 03:20 /dev/sdb
brw-rw1 root disk   8,  17 2004-05-21 03:20 /dev/sdb1
[...]
brw-rw1 root disk   8,  31 2004-05-21 03:20 /dev/sdb15

sda15 is major 8, minor 15, sdb is major 8, minor 16. sda can have
partitions from sda1 (8/1) ro sda15 (8/15). The next device file (8/16)
is sdb. Now the IDE files:

brw-rw1 root disk   3,   1 2004-05-21 03:20 /dev/hda1
[...]
brw-rw1 root disk   3,  64 2004-05-21 03:20 /dev/hdb
brw-rw1 root disk   3,  65 2004-05-21 03:20 /dev/hdb1

hda1 is major 3, minor 1. hdb is major 3, minor 64. That means that for
hda you can have device entries from 3/1 to 3/63 = 63 partitions. The
first logical partition is 3/5 (hda5).

best regards
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Re: Exim "From " header

[Vincent Lefevre]

On 2004-07-23 18:46:39 +0200, Master_PE wrote:
> I have a problem with exim. When I get a message exim add's header at
> the first line. Now is the problem that some pop3 client just like
> pullmail fail on this header. How can i solve this one?

This is not a header, but the separator for the mbox format (I assume
that you're using this format, otherwise you shouldn't have a "From "
line with exim). IMHO, your POP3 client is broken.

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debian/unstable gworkspace not working?

[JMS]

Hi

Does anyone else (with debian/unstable) find that gworkspace exits on
startup with a popup that says "Critical Error"?

In the xterm I started the program from it says gpbs killed by signal
17.

On clicking "abort" in the dialogue the xterm then says:

/usr/lib/GNUstep/System/Applications/GWorkspace.app/GWorkspace: Uncaught
exception NSInvalidArgumentException, reason: GSMutableArray(instance)
does not recognize setEditable:

On clicking "ignore" further dialogues pop-up each saying that
GSMutableArray does not recognise $SOMETHING.

On the developers information page it says that this package was
accepted into unstable on 2004-04-14, but there are no bugs about this
problem; so it is probably a local problem.

Could someone please let me know if they also have this problem, or even
better, that it works for them.

$ apt-cache policy gworkspace
gworkspace:
  Installed: 0.6.3-2
  Candidate: 0.6.3-2
  Version Table:
 *** 0.6.3-2 0
500 ftp://www.mirror.ac.uk unstable/main Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status

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Re: Exim "From " header

[s. keeling]

Incoming from Master_PE:
> 
> I have a problem with exim. When I get a message exim add's header at
> the first line. Now is the problem that some pop3 client just like
> pullmail fail on this header. How can i solve this one?
> 
> Regards,
> Master_PE
> 
> 
> Example message:
> 
> 
> >From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Jul 23 18:36:10 2004
> Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

That's standard MTA behaviour.  That's the _Envelope from_.


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Re: Is Linux Unix?

[Karsten M. Self]

on Fri, Jul 23, 2004 at 12:03:54AM -1000, Ryo Furue ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Paul,
> 
> Thanks for your comments.
> 
> > > I'm using the Intel Fortran Compiler (IFC).  Its version 7 runs on
> > > Debian without any problem whatsoever, although Intel doesn't support
> > > Debian.  But, last year Intel released a total rewrite of the
> > > compiler, version 8, with which my Fortran programs don't work at all
> > > (*).  Since Debian isn't supported, even if I paid (which I don't),
> > > Intel wouldn't fix my problem.  (If paying would fix it, I would pay.)
> > > This is a big headache.  Uniformity is sometimes good.
> > 
> > However, as explained above, uniformity does not exist.  Quick, tell me
> > which RPM I need, as a Debian user, to easily and cleanly install the
> > software like the packager intended: Mandrake, Red Hat, Fedora, SuSE...
> 
> At least, Intel supports RedHat 9.0 (or whatever version Intel
> mentions. 

RH 9.0 is a few revs out of date.  The current product is RHEL (Red Hat
Enterprise Linux), and it's had a few releases yet.  RH is chasing
MSFT's "update early and often...and for a charge" model.  Pity they
haven't clued into their NC neighbor and followed SI's subscription
model (though SI hardly gets everything right).

> I don't remember correctly.).  As long as you use that version of RH,
> Intel will support you.  

You want to spend an hour or so Googling very cogent comments by Linus,
Don Marti, and others, on the inherent limitations of binary lock-in.

What if Intel, Nidiot, Oracle, and Peoplesoft all require different
minor revs of the kernel, HW, or OS release level?  Sorry, I left *that*
hell behind some years ago.


> (If you replace the kernel, libc, or other "critial" part of the OS,
> your support is void, of course.)  And "most" people use RedHat
> anyway.  

Demonstrably false.

Red Hat remains the leading tracked distribution in most surveys, but
it's got a plurality, not a majority.  Share is ~40% IIRC.  Debian's in
the top three, and I think SuSE's got the number-two slot, in numbers I
saw in the past couple of months.  Counting Linux installs is a bit like
counting kangaroo rats, however:  it's hard to see, they're all over the
place, and they're multiplying like mad.

"Most people" really isn't a meaningful metric.  Your CIO really doesn't
care what gamers are running, and an embedded HW manufacturer likely
can't afford the overhead of pretty much _any_ full-fledged distro
(though HP's iPaq is based on Debian, and includes a stripped package
update system).


> (In my workplace, all the Linux users except me use RH, it
> seems.)  That's kind of uniformity, isn't it?  Not as uniform as
> Windows XP, though.

Small-pond uniformity, sure.

 
> > > I also heard from a programmer that her company develops software
> > > only for Windows because it's so uniform and ubiguitous.
> > 
> > I usually feel sorry for people like that.  They miss the fact that unix
> > is everywhere, has been everywhere for decades, and will probably be
> > around long after the commercial software fad fades back into relative
> > obscurity.
> 
> I suspect you miss my point.  Perhaps, I wan't clear enough.  Although
> Unix is everywhere, it's not trivial to write a significant piece
> of sotware which runs on all the major Unixes out there.  

Wrong.

Google for "oracle just type make".

That was the entire porting process for getting the world's leading
enterprise database software to run on Linux.  Not one code edit
required.

Whether or not subsequent tuning was performed is another question (and
I strongly suspect it has been ;-).

However:  the discipline of writing for a range of Unix-standard
platforms, and Linux's own standards compliance, *did* mean that the
port was trivial to implement.

My understanding is that SAS had a similar experience, though there was
more work that went into the production release.  Possibly related to
the fact that the company uses its own proprietary compiler (again,
non-free => non-standard).  Then again, the company is sufficiently NIH
that it provides and uses its own monospace font.

I can report that SAS's pre-release Linux product ran successfully and
relatively satisfactorially on Debian, though it was targeted for Red
Hat, after creating a nonstandard tmp/ directory somewhere (either /var
or /usr, I don't recall which).

I am familiar with a dependency on the part of PeopleSoft on specific
kernel revs (personal conversations with a LuGOD member contracting at
same).  Again, largely speaking to specific software design, and a
failure to adhere to standards.

And again:  for sufficiently tailored enterprise-class software, you'll
pick your platform to fit the app, and dedicate hardware to that one
task.  But there's very little software that falls into this class
that's not at least substantially substitutable, and insisting on such
an architecture is a dead end.



> The example I gave in my last message about the Intel compilear is a
> piece of ev

Re: some kind kiosk system

[Karsten M. Self]

on Fri, Jul 23, 2004 at 08:15:36AM -0400, Steve Glines ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Karsten M. Self wrote:
> 
> > on Fri, Jul 23, 2004 at 01:13:53AM -0700, Paul Johnson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > 
> >>Justinas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >>
> >>
> >>>   There is an computer game club with 49 computers running
> >>>linux. I would be glad to hear any suggestions how to build entirely
> >>>system that forbids users to execute any other programs or scripts,
> >>>only games, browsers and some office programs. The main aim of this,
> >>>to keep computer out of trash and make administrators life
> >>>easer. Could somebody share experience on some kind computer kiosk
> >>>systems. Any suggestions, critics are acceptable.
> >>
> >>Don't install more than you need installed.  That'll get you about 90%
> >>there.  The last 10% can be taken care of with groups and file
> >>permissions, or if you want to overkill it, the ACL permission support
> >>in 2.6 might be of help (however, I don't use ACL support, don't know
> >>how well it works, and have more or less been waiting for success or
> >>horror stories which have yet to materialize from what I've seen).
> > 
> > 
> > ...user state in ramdisk and/or copied into the user's account at
> > startup.  And a watchdog to slay the user if critical files disappear or
> > are changed.
> > 
> > One of the better descriptions I've seen of a Linux Kiosk configuration
> > is JWZ's DNA Lounge systems.  San Francisco nightclub, typically filled
> > with several hundred highly individualistic patrons under varying
> > influences astrological to zoological, and overall both reliable and
> > usable.  GIYF.
> 
> Just invoke users shell as bash -r

Not sufficient.

RTFM.  You'll find that the restrictions within a restricted bash shell
are dropped when executing shell scripts.  Which is a handy way for
doing various things.  And hence, rather limiting.

I'd look at a chroot or UML jail for additional security.


Peace.

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Re: Is Linux Unix?

[Steve Lamb]

Ryo Furue wrote:
> Some open source software like GNU emacs runs on most Unixes.
> I bet a LOT of resources went into it.

Some?  Some!?  slrn, apache, mysql, screen, joe, bind, X, vim, kde,
openoffice, perl, python, php, ruby, just to name a few off the top of my
head.  Some of those are written and maintained by a single person.  Earlier
you wrote...

> The example I gave in my last message about the Intel compilear is a piece
> of evidence which supports my opinion.

The above examples refute it.  I find it hard to believe that individuals
can find a way to maintain support for many different flavors of unix *IN
THEIR SPARE TIME* yet commercial interests are inexplicably unable to do so
when they are paying people for just that kind of support.

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ProFTPD Setup

[Tomy Alarie]

Hi, i just want to know if there is any utility that can configure ProFTPD 
for multiple users with defaults roots and quotas ? Or any detailled 
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that.

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Re: Is Linux Unix?

[Erik Steffl]

Kent West wrote:
Erik Steffl wrote:
Ryo Furue wrote:
I think one of the biggest problems for developers
of commercial software for Linux is that there's no such thing as "the"
Linux OS.  There are simply too many combinations of the kernel version,
libc version, pthreads version, etc. to support all.  The consequence is
usually the vendor supports only the RedHat Linux.

  about particular software (nptl thread library) not being available 
for woody: why not install it yourself? just because it's not 
available as debian package does not mean you cannot install it
Sure, that works for sysadmins who know what they're doing. But that's 
not going to work for the masses. Which means the vendor must put in 
extra effort to get things to work. The result is that the vendor 
chooses not to go down that path, and Linux remains a niche product 
rather than moving into the mainstream, due to lack of "developers 
developers developers developers . . . " (courtesy of Steve "Monkey Boy" 
Balmer).
  let's see another example. I bought a game for windows (few month 
ago, newly released game). Mainstream one, not a relatively obscure 
intel fortran compiler. it didn't work on my game machine (win xp pro). 
I sent an email to support, they said I need to run as non admin, I 
tried that, did work even less, in the end it would not even uninstall.

  I wish there was a happy ending to this, in the spirit of 'sure, that 
works for sysadmins'. BTW the game ran fine on another computer that ran 
 win 98 (IIRC).

  so there you go, windows will remain a niche product blah blah blah...
I also heard from a programmer that her company develops software 
only for
Windows because it's so uniform and ubiguitous.
  I don't understand it. if you (they) think that it is acceptable to 
buy computer with windows just to make sure that the client has OS 
that software company supports why wouldn't it be acceptable to buy 
computer with redhat linux?
You keep looking at this from the customer's point of view; the customer 
  do you work for MS? why did you snipped my suggestion on how to deal 
with the issue FROM VENDOR SIDE and then you complain I don't look at it 
from vendor side?

  quote from my email you responded to:
  - statically link everything
  - provide your own shared libs (do not install in system dirs!)
  - have an experienced sysadmin set up the machine
  - develop portable software, do not depend on random quirks of kernels/libs 
  3 out of 4 are advices for a vendor (because the guy asked from the 
vendor perspective).

erik
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Re: Samba in ADS Domain

[Mark Ferlatte]

Edwards, Thomas W. said on Fri, Jul 23, 2004 at 11:21:15AM -0500:
> Has anyone gotten samba 2.2 to join an ADS domain structure, is Kerberos
> required for this to work?  I believe it is required to be installed but
> does it have to actually be configured to work.

I believe that samba 3.x has the ability to join an ADS domain, but samba 2.2
does not.

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Re: which package owns system busy icon

[Paul Johnson]

"J.S.Sahambi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Paul Johnson wrote:
>> "J.S.Sahambi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
>>>I would like to know which package owns the icon which is displayed
>>>when system is busy.
>> Not exactly giving us much to work with.  What software are you
>> specifically talking about?  Have you tried finding the icon files and
>> looking them up on http://packages.debian.org/ ?
>
> What I meant is that when the system launches an application, if it
> takes some time, a wait cursor is shown. I want to know which package
> provides this cursor. Is it gnome, gdm or some other package.

OK, see, that was some information we didn't have.  We didn't know what
window manager you were using.  Since you use Gnome, I have no idea, but
now that we know you use Gnome, someone who uses Gnome can probably help
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Re: Is Linux Unix?

[Paul Johnson]

Ryo Furue <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> At least, Intel supports RedHat 9.0 (or whatever version Intel
> mentions. I don't remember correctly.).  As long as you use that
> version of RH, Intel will support you.  (If you replace the kernel,
> libc, or other "critial" part of the OS, your support is void,
> of course.)  And "most" people use RedHat anyway.  (In my workplace,
> all the Linux users except me use RH, it seems.)  That's kind of
> uniformity, isn't it?  Not as uniform as Windows XP, though.

That's still not exactly uniform, and if that's Intel's support policy,
they're blowfully ten years behind the times.

> I suspect you miss my point.  Perhaps, I wan't clear enough.  Although
> Unix is everywhere, it's not trivial to write a significant piece
> of sotware which runs on all the major Unixes out there.

No, but that isn't any reason not to try.

> I don't like what MS does, either.  But, that doesn't obscure the
> fact from me that Windows XP is more uniform than Linuxes.  The Intel
> compiler which runs on RedHat doesn't run on Debian, whereas Acrobat
> reader which runs on a Windows XP machine will run on another.

That same copy of Acrobat Reader isn't going to run on Win98 machines
still left over, either, and will be totally unrecognizable to a WinCE
machine.  The same piece of software will not work properly between
different versions of WinCE, and in many cases, won't work on a lot of
WinCE devices at all.  You act like Unix is the only class of OS that
suffers from extreme diversity, which could not be farther from the
truth.

> By the way, I know apt is much better than rpm.  I'm not saying RH
> is technically "better" than Debian.  I'm not saying Windows XP is
> better than Linux.  I'm trying to explain why commercial vendors
> are reluctant to develop software to run on all Linuxes, or on all
> Unixes, for that matter.

And if commercial developers want to pretend that Unix is an audience
they can ignore just to avoid some inconveinence, that's totally fine by
me and I encourage them to do it.  However, my reason for encouraging
them is mostly to watch them set themselves up for spectacular failure
on fuckedcompany.com.


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Re: why wxwindows applications doesn't use gtk2?

[Haim Ashkenazi]

On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 12:37:59 -0400, Greg Folkert wrote:

> On Fri, 2004-07-23 at 11:17, Haim Ashkenazi wrote:
>> Hi
>> 
>> Someone wanted me to install FreeBSD for him, so I played a little with
>> it, and found that when I compile application that use wxwindows it uses
>> gtk2 instead of gtk1. until now I was sure that that's what wxwindows uses
>> (gtk1.x). I have on my 'unstable' libwxgtk2.4 but when I compile an
>> application from source (e.g. xchm) I still don't get gtk2 look and feel.
>> does anybody knows why?
> 
> Why not look for yourself?
> 
> http://packages.qa.debian.org/w/wxwindows2.4.html
> 
> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=206172
yup, that gives me an answer :)
sorry for being lazy (I didn't thought to look for it in the bug
system...)

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Re: flash and mozilla (and firefox and epiphany)

[Paul Yeatman]

> Paul Yeatman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > I now am convinced that the problem resides with the appearance that
> > Flash accesses /dev/dsp directly creating a conflict anytime another
> > application has already locked the dsp device first, such as esd.  The
> > Mozilla wrapper that seems to offer a way around this doesn't appear to
> > work for me.
> > 
> > My current solution is to change the default behavior of esd from
> > "auto_spawn" being set to off to being on and, as I'm using gnome,
> > either disabling sound in gnome altogether or killing the esd process
> > that is started once I log in.  This solution is satisfactory for
> > the moment but took quite awhile to figure out.
> 
> Have you tried the '-as' option of esd?  I use 'esd -as 2' to require
> esd to release /dev/dsp 2 seconds after it finishes, so other devices
> can use it.  That allows me to use programs with both esd and /dev/dsp
> output, but not at the same time.

Yes, this is what makes things work for me now and is essentially how
I'm running things although I'm currently using the default of 5
seconds (if I have any problem with this, I might try a shorter time as
you are using).  Thanks for offering the suggestion.

The only bummer with this setup is that not all audio calls (that don't
use /dev/dsp directly) starts the esd process automatically.  I don't
hear the general Gnome event sounds anymore, for instance, and I'm
assuming that this is because esd is no longer running in the
background and, apparently, they don't start the esd process on their
own.  Some people would likely say "good" to this.  I kinda miss 'em.
A very minor complaint.  I'm happier to have Flash working :)

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Re: Is Linux Unix?

[William Ballard]

On Fri, Jul 23, 2004 at 12:27:04PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote:
> And if commercial developers want to pretend that Unix is an audience
> they can ignore just to avoid some inconveinence, that's totally fine by
> me and I encourage them to do it.

An interesting question is "What happens when Linux becomes Evil?"  
Gates and Balmer will leave MS within 10-15 years.  Linus will be an old 
man.  The nature of things is to run downhill.

Eventually, Linux will be The Problem.  Ironically its growing success 
only cements this fate.


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sarge gnome does not show anything after login on fresh installs

[John Smith]

To all those other s*ckers, like me, who install, like me, sarge as 
from today from scratch with gdm version 2.4.4.7-3.

Symptoms: gnome does not display anything after logging in 
through gdm-login except for a blue screen and a mouse pointer.

This is a hint about what is wrong:

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=241323

It does not start gnome-session

Workaround:
edit your /etc/dm/Sessions/default.desktop
modify "Exec=default" to "Exec=custom"

Save the attached file (from an earlier release) 
in your ~/.xsession 
chmod +x ~/.xsession
/etc/init.d/gdm restart

Couple of other things as well:
It fails to set gdm as the default window manager
update-alternatives --show x-window-manager

YMMV, DNTTAHK, etc.

Sincerely,

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[RickTaylor]

> we are now going to roll out these changes to all our machines in this complex (30+) 
> and another 15-20 machines in two satellite offices.
>  
> thanks all,
> Preston

There are a large number of utility programs just in case you're unaware of them.
Stuff to let you do ongoing package management, etc. 

>From their listings {Their search engine's down.} Most of these have much
more functionality than the name implies:

apt-move (4.1.21) Move cache of Debian packages into a mirror hierarchy
apt-proxy (1.3.0) Debian archive proxy and partial mirror builder
apt-show-source (0.06-3) Shows source-package information
apt-show-versions (0.03) Lists available package versions with distribution
apt-spy (2.3-2) writes a sources.list file based on bandwidth tests.
apt-utils (0.5.4.0.1 [s390], 0.5.4 [alpha, arm, hppa, i386, ia64, m68k, mips, mipsel, 
powerpc, sparc])
APT utility programs:

usr/bin/apt-extracttemplatesadmin/apt-utils
usr/bin/apt-ftparchive  admin/apt-utils
usr/bin/apt-sortpkgsadmin/apt-utils

apt-zip (0.13.2) Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media

dpkg-ftp (1.6.10) Ftp method for dselect. 
dpkg-multicd (0.18) Installation methods for multiple binary CDs
dpkg-repack (1.8) puts an unpacked .deb file back together

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Re: Is Linux Unix?

[Bill Thompson]

On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 12:50:45 -0700
William Ballard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> An interesting question is "What happens when Linux becomes Evil?"  
> Gates and Balmer will leave MS within 10-15 years.  Linus will be an old
> 
> man.  The nature of things is to run downhill.
> 
> Eventually, Linux will be The Problem.  Ironically its growing success 
> only cements this fate.
> 

Not really a problem...HURD will be ready for production right around that
time. ;)

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Re: Maximum number of logical partitions

[Pete Clarke]

> Seems to be (mostly) correct. Take a look at the minor numbers of
> thedevice files:


Indeed ... hadn't thought of that.
Seems strange that SCSI can only have upto 15 partitions tho' - it's a bit
of a PITA really as I wanted to split the large RAID 0 volume up into small
partitions to distribute as LVM groups..oh well, better re-think my strategy
I guess..

Any idea *why* SCSI can only have 15 partitions when IDE can have upto 64?

Cheers,


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Re: nfs locking daemon?

[Miquel van Smoorenburg]

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Christian Schwarz  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Is there a special "nfs locking daemon" for NFS-clients?
>
>I'm running a server with nfs-kernel-server and on the server there is a
>"lockd" process.  If I try to log into GNOME 2.2 on the client (which has
>nfs-mounted home directories), GNOME complains about "a problem with your
>operating system configuration": "A common cause of this error is that the
>"nfslock" service has been disabled."  Unfortunately, I can't find a
>"nfslock" package in Debian.

It's called "nfs-common".

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laptop istall fails

[Rodney D. Myers]

I've picked up an IBM 770x, and am attempting to get the latest sarge
netinstall working. The pcmcia adapter is a 3Com EtherLink III Series
Ethercards  3c562, which is supposed to be supported by the 3c589_cs
module. 

Yet, when I get to the [Detect network hardware] screen, and I select
the 3c589_cs module, the screen flashes, and is sitting right where I
left it.

I've tried to get boot with the argument "linux eth0=3c589_cs", and the
same thing happens. 

I've also tried the "linux26' to see if that would find it, and it does
not function either.

Any other suggestions?

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Re: Debian install breaks on 'Configuring Locales'

[RickTaylor]

This probably isn't proper form, kosher or even cool... but... It's a quick way around 
the problem. 

Hit control-c at the screen, run dselect with ftp as the method {set it in the first 
dselect screen} and update the system. Alternately, restart the machine, hope it comes 
back up and do the upgrade from there.

It may break your system {tho' it's already broken} but it does work {usually... I'm 
not making guarantees.}. If the upgrade will work it's a good chance everything will 
go fine from there on out.

I always install the base system with apt-get {dselect, whatever ...You can set up the 
base system and then just run apt-get update then apt-get upgrade {see the screen for 
options}} and use the disks for additional packages. Use disk 1 for the base install, 
upgrade to the latest from the 'net and then start installing applications and so 
forth. Do it slowly, a package or two at a time, and you should be fine.

> But it breaks each time at 'Configuring Locales'. You can select more
> locales, but the 'Enter' key will not give an 'accept' - it just sits there.
> No key on the keyboard will 'accept', and get me past this.
> In fact, after it breaks on the first cycle, the 'Enter' key brings up the
> 'Help' menu.

> This is using disk 1 - the 'vanilla' kernel. I tried it with bf24 to
> see if that helps - it didn't.
> 
> Can't I get a stock version of Linux to run 'out of the box', with decent
> speed? I'm not asking a lot, Web access, email, and a functioning floppy
> drive...

 It should be easy and speed should be your least concern. What are you running? What 
are you installing?

> Further, the Debian install doc, which was lovingly detailed up to Chapter
> 8, breaks down and does not deal with several of the screen options
> presented during setup. Including, of course, the 'Configuring Locales'
> option, or any way of avoiding it.
> 
> Can I scream now, or must I wait?

 I'd suggest a little more patience. Debian's a perfectly good system... Make sure you 
select debconf in the dselect screen..

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Re: [Csnd] Debian install breaks on 'Configuring Locales'

[RickTaylor]

> This probably isn't proper form, kosher or even cool... but... It's a quick way 
> around the problem. 

Sorry about that... I didn't realize this was crossposted to csound.

{Why is this crossposted to sound?}

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Re: Is Linux Unix?

[Paul E Condon]

On Fri, Jul 23, 2004 at 10:40:10AM -0700, Karsten M. Self wrote:
> on Fri, Jul 23, 2004 at 12:03:54AM -1000, Ryo Furue ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > Paul,
> > 
> > Thanks for your comments.



> > 
> > I suspect you miss my point.  Perhaps, I wan't clear enough.  Although
> > Unix is everywhere, it's not trivial to write a significant piece
> > of sotware which runs on all the major Unixes out there.  
> 
> Wrong.
> 
> Google for "oracle just type make".
> 

I tried the above. With the quotes, I got zero hits. Without the quotes
I got 1,500,000 hits. I didn't spend the time to see if any of the 1.5M
were relevant to this thread, but the first couple of pages seemed not 
to be. Can you suggest a narrower search criterion that gets what you
want people to see?

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Re: broken exim4-config

[J. Nopr]

On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 10:36:24 -0600
CW Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Thu, Jul 22, 2004 at 04:08:41AM -0700, J. Nopr wrote:
> > Hi all.  I am trying to set up exim4 to send mail out through my dsl
> > provider's smarthost. 
> > 
> [...]
> [text wrapped - *please* wrap your lines.]
> 
> > Now When I insatll exim4*, I immediatly get an error, starting at
> > exim4-config.
> > 
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] sudo dpkg --configure exim4-config  
> >  [/etc/exim4]
> > Setting up exim4-config (4.32-2) ...
> > Error: Unsplit config selected and /etc/exim4/exim4.conf.template
> >  missing ... exiting
> > dpkg: error processing exim4-config (--configure):
> >  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
> > Errors were encountered while processing:
> >  exim4-config
> > 
> > Can somebody send me the exim4.conf.template file?  Also, any good
> > links
> 
> You already have it. It is part of the exim4-config package.  It
> sounds like your installation is confused.  Perhaps you need to
> re-install exim4-config.  Maybe try:
>   apt-get --reinstall install exim4-config
> 

That's giving me the same error.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] sudo apt-get --reinstall install exim4-config 
[/etc/exim4] Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 reinstalled, 0 to remove and 25 not
upgraded. 1 not fully installed or removed.
Need to get 0B of archives.
After unpacking 0B of additional disk space will be used.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n] y
Setting up exim4-config (4.32-2) ...
Error: Unsplit config selected and /etc/exim4/exim4.conf.template
missing ... exiting dpkg: error processing exim4-config (--configure):
 subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
Errors were encountered while processing:
 exim4-config
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)

Any other ideas?  I'm using sarge, if that matters.

Thanks,
J. Nopr


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apt-get wants to remove orpie

[Vincent Lefevre]

Does anyone know why I get the following?

greux:/home/lefevre# apt-get dist-upgrade -s
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
Calculating Upgrade... Done
The following packages will be REMOVED:
  libnums-ocaml orpie
The following packages have been kept back:
  hwinfo ocaml ocaml-base ocaml-base-nox ocaml-interp ocaml-nox
The following packages will be upgraded:
  info
1 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 2 to remove and 6 not upgraded.
Remv orpie (1.3.0-1 Debian:unstable)
Remv libnums-ocaml (3.07-2 Debian:unstable)
Inst info [4.6-1] (4.7-2 Debian:unstable)
Conf info (4.7-2 Debian:unstable)

Note: I'm tracking sid.

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Fedora Trademark guidelines. Don't use Fedora.

[Karl Hegbloom]

http://fedora.redhat.com/about/trademarks/guidelines/page5.html

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Re: Is Linux Unix?

[Ryo Furue]

Hi,

Since Kent West has kindly clarified what I wanted to say, I'm not going to
repeat my main point.  Only the following:

Erik Steffl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
[...]
>about particular software (nptl thread library) not being available 
> for woody: why not install it yourself? just because it's not available 
> as debian package does not mean you cannot install it. I can imagine 
> that this might not be possible in all cases but in general this 
> approach solves lot of portability problems (from one linux 
> distro/version to another linux or even unix distro/version).

In fact I looked at the homepage of nptl.  That was kind of scary to me :)
The page says that you need to use a rather new kernel and libc.  So, the
installation of nptl would mean: Back up everything, learn how to build kernel
since I've never done that before (my machine is dual-processor, and my kernel was
built by another guy), learn how large an impact upgrading libc will mean, and
so on.  If I had a leisure few days, I might try.  But, if I had a few days off,
I'd rather spend the time away from the computer screen!  I've had too much these
days in front of my workstation.

By the way, Intel compiler is really critical to my work.  So, I'm sticking
to version 7 of it, which is working.  But, one day I will need to switch to
version 8, because Intel won't fix bugs of version 7, let alone enhance its
features.  And, I don't expect the GNU Fortran 95 compiler will be even half
as mature as the Intel compiler in a few years.

Thank you all for your input,
Ryo


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Re: Is Linux Unix?

[Paul Johnson]

Bill Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 12:50:45 -0700
> William Ballard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
>> An interesting question is "What happens when Linux becomes Evil?"  
>> Gates and Balmer will leave MS within 10-15 years.  Linus will be an old
>> 
>> man.  The nature of things is to run downhill.
>> 
>> Eventually, Linux will be The Problem.  Ironically its growing success 
>> only cements this fate.
>> 
>
> Not really a problem...HURD will be ready for production right around that
> time. ;)

I guess that means we should be expecting a GNU/Hurd port of Duke Nukem
Forever, eh?


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Help with samba 3

[Aaron B]

Hi everyone. I'm trying to set up samba 3 to be a client on a Windows NT 
network. I have smbd running and my hostname ( foo ) configured- not much 
else.

My box appears in the Network Neighborhood on the Windows machines just fine. 
Also, my workstation has been "allowed" on the network.

What baffle me, is that whenever I try to connect to another 
workstation/server on the network for any reason I get the following.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] smbclient //fooman/share pword -U user
session setup failed: NT_STATUS_INVALID_WORKSTATION

Now, I understand that this error is a result of my workstation not being 
allowed to access the shares on the network. But, I've already been added to 
the workgroup.

I believe the problem is that smbd is being added to the workgroup, but the 
connections I try to make with smbclient or smbspool are not going through 
smbd at all and are therefore invalid workstations.

My question is, does anyone know how this can be rectified on either end?


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