[Declude.JunkMail] HOLD action using Imail/Junkmail as a multiple domain gateway

2002-10-30 Thread eddie pang
Hi Everyone,

We are currently using our email server as a primary email/virus/junkmail
server for [ourdomain.edu].

I want to service another external domain [aaa.edu] with virus/junkmail,
using Imail as a smarthost/gateway for the other domain.

Here is my question.
If I setup virus and junkmail as a per-domain config, where does the
junkmail hold files get stored for [aaa.edu] domain?
The default is \IMail\spool\spam for a single domain like
ourdomain.edu[default], would aaa.edu get stored in
\IMail\spool\aaa.edu\spam ??

I would like to separate our holds from the other site's hold files.  Is
this possible?

Many thanks,
Eddie :)

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[Declude.JunkMail] Sawmill and Declude logs

2002-10-30 Thread Dan Horne
Title: Message



I 
received this from Greg at Sawmill.

;-)

Dan 
Horne


-Original Message-From: Greg Ferrar 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:18 
PMTo: Dan HorneSubject: Re: Declude SPAM 
logs
Hi,

Wow, someone sure jumped the gun on that 
announcement.We added support for Declude SPAM format *today*, to the beta 
version. We haven't shipped that version yet, so it's not supported "out of the 
box" in any shipping version yet. I've attached the plug-in, which you can use 
to analyze this log file. To use this log format plug-in, put it in the 
LogFormats folder of the LogAnalysisInfo folder in your Sawmill installation 
folder. Then create a new configuration using your log data. Sawmill 
should automatically recognize the format, and set up the configuration 
appropriately. Please let me know if you have any problem with this 
plug-in.

I would appreciate it if you could send this 
information to the mailing list, so we don't get deluged with messages from 
people wondering how to analyze Declude SPAM logs with Sawmill. 
Thanks,

-Greg FerrarSawmill Product Manager, 
Flowerfire

Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Voice: (831) 
426-7602Fax: (650) 745-2939Web: http://www.sawmill.net/

===Find 
out who's visiting your web site, where they're coming from, andwhat they're 
doing! Sawmill is a powerful, hierarchical log analysistool featuring 
an attractive HTML interface, advanced data slicingfeatures, and much more. 
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  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Dan Horne 
  
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:00 
  AM
  
  Hello, I am 
  evaluating your Sawmill product. We have several different file types to 
  parse. One of the most important for us is the Declude file 
  format. However, when setting it up, Sawmill doesn't seem to recognize 
  the format, even though it is supported.
  
  Attached is a 
  sample declude log and the output I get when I try to analyze 
  it.
  
  Thank you, 
  
  
  Dan 
  Horne
  


DecludeSPAM.dat
Description: Binary data


Re: [Declude.JunkMail] HOLD action using Imail/Junkmail as amultiple domain gateway

2002-10-30 Thread R. Scott Perry


I want to service another external domain [aaa.edu] with virus/junkmail,
using Imail as a smarthost/gateway for the other domain.

Here is my question.
If I setup virus and junkmail as a per-domain config, where does the
junkmail hold files get stored for [aaa.edu] domain?
The default is \IMail\spool\spam for a single domain like
ourdomain.edu[default], would aaa.edu get stored in
\IMail\spool\aaa.edu\spam ??


No -- the HOLD action always will quarantine the E-mail to the 
\IMail\spool\spam directory.  However, we have had a number of requests for 
a way to have the directory configurable on a per-domain basis, so this 
will likely get added at some point.
  -Scott

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Sawmill and Declude logs

2002-10-30 Thread Dan Horne
Hi, guys.

Sorry for the HTML in the previous post.

I have installed the Declude plug-in and tested it out.  It works well.
The only problem I can see is that it only shows message counts, no data
on what is included in the messages.  But I just downloaded Sawmill and
I am not very familiar with it.  Maybe there is a way to filter the
results in such a way as to get more information.

Anyone know if this can be done?

Dan



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[Declude.JunkMail] Filter File

2002-10-30 Thread Don Brown
Hi Scott,

Is it possible to change the filter file so that a comment can be at
the end of each line?

This would allow a process similar to Tom's DeLog/KillListGen, to
purge old inactive entries. Our filter file is getting rather large.

Thanks,



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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Filter File

2002-10-30 Thread R. Scott Perry


Is it possible to change the filter file so that a comment can be at
the end of each line?


The problem is that Declude JunkMail will allow spaces/tabs in the filter 
text (remove me, for example), so it won't know where the filter text 
ends and the comment begins.

We are planning on adding a method of allowing spaces/tabs at the beginning 
of the filter text, which would likely also allow for comments (most 
likely, the text would be quoted).
   -Scott

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Filter File

2002-10-30 Thread Don Brown
Couldn't you use a stop character, such as # or something to indicate
where the line ends and the comment begins?


Wednesday, October 30, 2002, 10:07:45 AM, R. Scott Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Is it possible to change the filter file so that a comment can be at
the end of each line?

RSP The problem is that Declude JunkMail will allow spaces/tabs in the filter 
RSP text (remove me, for example), so it won't know where the filter text 
RSP ends and the comment begins.

RSP We are planning on adding a method of allowing spaces/tabs at the beginning 
RSP of the filter text, which would likely also allow for comments (most 
RSP likely, the text would be quoted).
RSP -Scott

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[Declude.JunkMail] Blacklist

2002-10-30 Thread David Lewis-Waller
Scott,

Are blank lines okay in a blacklist file? I ask because it's makes it
easier to distinguish different types of email/domains we want to block.

Regards,

David 
WiSS Limited

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Blacklist

2002-10-30 Thread R. Scott Perry


Are blank lines okay in a blacklist file? I ask because it's makes it
easier to distinguish different types of email/domains we want to block.


Yes, Declude JunkMail will ignore any blank lines (or any lines that begin 
with a # character).
-Scott

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[Declude.JunkMail] Update of SpamReview web app (not related to SpamReview hold manager)

2002-10-30 Thread Charles Frolick
Ok, I just uploaded a new revision to my Spambox App.
The URL is http://spamreview.argolink.net
email is [EMAIL PROTECTED]
pass is demo
Info at http://spamreview.argolink.net/doc

It now has full capability to manage settings per user. A few more issues to
resolve and I will look at packaging it for anyone interested.
Let me know what you think.

Thanks,
Chuck Frolick
ArgoNet, Inc.

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[Declude.JunkMail] Footer message like virus.cfg

2002-10-30 Thread Mitch Irvine
I'd like a line at the footer to go with our virus.cfg line stating that
this email was scanned by declude.

Can I do this with global.cfg as you've got virus.cfg configured?

Regards,

Mitch


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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Footer message like virus.cfg

2002-10-30 Thread R. Scott Perry


I'd like a line at the footer to go with our virus.cfg line stating that
this email was scanned by declude.

Can I do this with global.cfg as you've got virus.cfg configured?


The way to accomplish that with Declude JunkMail is to have a line 
CATCHALLMAILS  FOOTER  This mail was scanned... in the 
\IMail\Declude\$default$.JunkMail file.
-Scott

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] HOLD action using Imail/Junkmail as a multiple domain gateway

2002-10-30 Thread Eddie Pang
Thanks Scott for the update..

Sincerely,
Eddie :)


=
No -- the HOLD action always will quarantine the E-mail to the 
\IMail\spool\spam directory.  However, we have had a number of requests
for 
a way to have the directory configurable on a per-domain basis, so this 
will likely get added at some point.
   -Scott


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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Update of SpamReview web app (not related to SpamReview hold manager)

2002-10-30 Thread Bill Landry
Chuck, looks pretty cool to me, and I can see how this could be a nice way
for customers to manage their own spam rules.  However, I wonder what the
effective load would be on an IMail/Declude JunkMail server with a large
customer base with all of the per-user files that would be required to make
this work...?

Bill

-Original Message-
From: Charles Frolick [mailto:cmfrolick;argolink.net]
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:21 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Update of SpamReview web app (not
related to SpamReview hold manager)


I caught a little settings problem, I was pulling the mail from inxo to
the spambox and not from the spam folder, so it was working backwards. OOPS!
It is corrected now, so go have a look see.

Thanks,
Chuck Frolick

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:Declude.JunkMail-owner;declude.com]On Behalf Of Charles Frolick
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 1:16 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Update of SpamReview web app (not related to
SpamReview hold manager)


Ok, I just uploaded a new revision to my Spambox App.
The URL is http://spamreview.argolink.net
email is [EMAIL PROTECTED]
pass is demo
Info at http://spamreview.argolink.net/doc

It now has full capability to manage settings per user. A few more issues to
resolve and I will look at packaging it for anyone interested.
Let me know what you think.

Thanks,
Chuck Frolick
ArgoNet, Inc.

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Update of SpamReview web app (notrelated to SpamReview hold manager)

2002-10-30 Thread R. Scott Perry


... However, I wonder what the
effective load would be on an IMail/Declude JunkMail server with a large
customer base with all of the per-user files that would be required to make
this work...?


Actually, there would normally be very little (if any) extra overhead.  The 
only extra overhead I could see would be if there were more than about 500 
users on any given domain (as there would be over 500 files in one 
directory, which can cause a performance hit).
   -Scott

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Update of SpamReview web app (not related to SpamReview hold manager)

2002-10-30 Thread Glenn \\ WCNet



So it wouldn't work for the 6085accounts on 
my default host. :-)

Glenn Z.


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  R. Scott 
  Perry 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 5:32 
  PM
  Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Update of 
  SpamReview web app (not related to SpamReview hold manager)
  ... However, I wonder what theeffective load 
  would be on an IMail/Declude JunkMail server with a largecustomer base 
  with all of the per-user files that would be required to makethis 
  work...?Actually, there would normally be very little (if any) extra 
  overhead. The only extra overhead I could see would be if there were 
  more than about 500 users on any given domain (as there would be over 500 
  files in one directory, which can cause a performance 
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Update of SpamReview web app (notrelated to SpamReview hold manager)

2002-10-30 Thread R. Scott Perry


So it wouldn't work for the 6085 accounts on my default host.  :-)


It would work, there would just be a performance penalty -- but it wouldn't 
be any worse than the performance penalty of IMail having 6,085 user 
subdirectories off of the same directory.  :)

If it *was* a performance issue, though, you could get around it by using 
redirecting for most common configurations (a Don't block any E-mail 
setting and a Block as much spam as you can setting, that would probably 
cover about 95% of the users).  Those would get taken care of each with a 
single REDIRECT line in the \IMail\Declude\$default$.JunkMail file.
  -Scott

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Update of SpamReview web app (not related to SpamReview hold manager)

2002-10-30 Thread Avolve Support
Really, 500 wouldn't be an abnormal number for a domain.

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From: Glenn \\ WCNet [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date:  Wed, 30 Oct 2002 17:38:49 -0600

So it wouldn't work for the 6085 accounts on my default host.  :-)

Glenn Z.

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  From: R. Scott Perry 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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  Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Update of SpamReview web app (not related to 
SpamReview hold manager)



  ... However, I wonder what the
  effective load would be on an IMail/Declude JunkMail server with a large
  customer base with all of the per-user files that would be required to make
  this work...?

  Actually, there would normally be very little (if any) extra overhead.  The 
  only extra overhead I could see would be if there were more than about 500 
  users on any given domain (as there would be over 500 files in one 
  directory, which can cause a performance hit).
  -Scott

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] FrontPage form to email SPAMHEADERS

2002-10-30 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Hello William,

Imail automatically inserts missing Message-ID: headers.
Since Declude scans the e-mail before Imail put in that header you
will then get that positive but when you look at it Imail have fixed
it. Unfortunately your only way to truely fix this is to edit all
webforms to inject the Message-ID: in the headers or I guess you could
whitelist the local machine that way it will not give this warning and
if it sends to outside e-mail address then Imail will have fixed the
header for you.

If you fix it then when you fixed the Message-ID: you will have then
you will more then likely have to fix missing Date: header (which
Imail also fixes if it's missing but Declude will complain since it's
happens before Imail fixes it)

Best regards,
 Eje Gustafsson   mailto:MacAhan;fament.com
The Family Entertainment Network  http://www.fament.com
Phone : 620-231-  Fax   : 620-231-4066
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WBc How do you get FrontPage form to email to add the Message-ID: header.

WBc I have Windows 2000 SP3 IIS server. When a user fills out a guest book
WBc the FrontPage form emails the results through Imail. All software is on
WBc the same server. Declude fails the message on SPAMHEADERS.

WBc The failed test indicates the Message-ID: is missing from the header.
WBc When it arrives the email does have the Message-ID: but Declude says
WBc Imail added it.

WBc I hope it does not involve editing ever web page on my site that uses
WBc form to email, because that a lot of them.




WBc Sincerely,
WBc  
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[Declude.JunkMail] Spews News

2002-10-30 Thread Tom
The following article about Spews is from the Langa List.
-

 Fred, I saw your article regarding SpamCop and wanted to let
 you and your readers know about a service that is even worse
 called Spews. Spews doesn't blacklist sites, it blacklists
 entire ip ranges as a way to force domain owners, most of whom
 are completely innocent but happen to be within the range of
 the IP block, to pressure their ISP or service provider to
 shutdown the supposed offending spammer. It is my opinion that
 Spews (which is completely unreachable if you wish to object
 to your being included in an IP range), is actually run by
 spammers - as their actions are so heavy handed that they
 cause most users to end up dropping the use of RBLs, and as a
 consequence more spam ends up getting through to people's
 inboxes. More information about my experience is available at
 http://www.allpm.com/article.php?sid=261mode=order=0thold=0
 Regards, Michael Lines

Thanks, Michael.

SPEWS stands for SPAM Prevention Early Warning System. Like SpamCop,
it's a well-intentioned, first-generation tool for combating spam. As
such, it's a pretty blunt instrument, and (as Michael's case shows) it
can do a lot of damage to perfectly innocent sites.

I wish the folks who set up these early, simple blacklists would wake up
to the harm they do; and apply their obvious talents to producing better
tools. As it is now, they're using first-generation anti-spam tools to
try to block third- and fourth-generation spamming techniques.
  Click to email this item to a friend
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