[Declude.JunkMail] Bounce

2003-11-22 Thread Keith Anderson

We have a rare situation where we've been asked to bounce emails with a
specific criteria for one customer.  We are using the BOUNCE action as
stated in the comments of the sample file, but we get the logged error
Warning: misconfiguration in following line in configuration file (BOUNCE
is not an ACTION). May be a duplicate test definition?

Here is the file for this customer.  The test is named AH

Thanks


# BOUNCE will send a standard bounce message (and not deliver the E-mail)
#

SWENBLOCK   ATTACH
WEIGHTLOW   ATTACH
WEIGHTMEDIUMATTACH
WEIGHTHIGH  DELETE
AH  BOUNCE



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[Declude.JunkMail] text before spam.. defeating content filter

2003-11-22 Thread Kami Razvan



Hi;
We are getting a 
lot of spam lately that are being caught primarily with IP4r tests as well as 
the likes of spamdomain or helobogus .. but not content filters. This is, 
as discussed before, because a large amount of text (almost chapter 1 of Gone 
with the Wind :)) is put at the top of the email.

In checking the 
content.. this is the only thing I see before the long text.. could this be used 
as a filter?


This is a 
multi-part message in MIME format.

--=_NextPart_000_0951_7DF4E03D.3CA8D29DContent-Type: text/plain; 
charset="iso-8859-1"Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit


 then before 
the actual spam:



--=_NextPart_000_0951_7DF4E03D.3CA8D29DContent-Type: 
text/htmlContent-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


Does anyone 
know if the first part: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit can be used a 
filter?Pro? Con? 


There has to 
be something that makes the body of email not show such a long text.. it is not 
a white font .. what is it?

Regards,
Kami


RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Bounce

2003-11-22 Thread Keith Anderson

As follows:

AH  filter m:\Imail\declude\as_ho__s.txtx   9   0

I have verified that the test itself is working and assigning the correct
weight to these emails.


 -Original Message-
 From: John Tolmachoff (Lists) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 8:15 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Bounce


 How is the test AH defined in the Global.cfg?

 John Tolmachoff
 Engineer/Consultant/Owner
 eServices For You

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  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Bounce
 
 
  We have a rare situation where we've been asked to bounce
 emails with a
  specific criteria for one customer.  We are using the
 BOUNCE action as
  stated in the comments of the sample file, but we get the
 logged error
  Warning: misconfiguration in following line in
 configuration file (BOUNCE
  is not an ACTION). May be a duplicate test definition?
 
  Here is the file for this customer.  The test is named AH
 
  Thanks
 
 
  # BOUNCE will send a standard bounce message (and not
 deliver the E-
  mail)
  #
 
  SWENBLOCK   ATTACH
  WEIGHTLOW   ATTACH
  WEIGHTMEDIUMATTACH
  WEIGHTHIGH  DELETE
  AH  BOUNCE
 
 
 
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Bounce

2003-11-22 Thread R. Scott Perry

We have a rare situation where we've been asked to bounce emails with a
specific criteria for one customer.  We are using the BOUNCE action as
stated in the comments of the sample file, but we get the logged error
Warning: misconfiguration in following line in configuration file (BOUNCE
is not an ACTION). May be a duplicate test definition?
With the latest interim release, the BOUNCE action has been renamed to 
BOUNCEONLYIFYOUMUST.  We're estimating that we have hundreds of customers 
who are using the BOUNCE action with no clue as to what it does, and are 
hoping by renaming it these people will learn a bit more about the bounce 
action before using it.

In your case it looks like you have a good reason for using the bounce 
action.  But a lot of people assume that the spammer will get the bounce 
message, and don't realize that by using the bounce action they themselves 
are spamming.

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] text before spam.. defeating content filter

2003-11-22 Thread Kami Razvan



Hi John:

Yes that is what we are doing but that is a reactive 
measure..

How can one detect large texts that are not showing up. 
I guess I am trying to learn how they do it?

How can you have a chapter of a book at top of email 
and yet it does not show up?

The two lines I posted are the only things I see before 
the long section.. is that what causes it not to show up?





This is a multi-part message in 
MIME format.



--=_NextPart_000_0951_7DF4E03D.3CA8D29DContent-Type: 
text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"Content-Transfer-Encoding: 
7bit



Can someone explain if it is the 7bit or the iso-8859-1 
that causes the text simply not exist although it does.. if so then we can 
filter it...

Regards,
Kami


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Tolmachoff 
(Lists)Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 10:51 AMTo: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] text 
before spam.. defeating content filter


Kami, I have been 
looking at subject lines and MAILFROMs on these type.


John 
Tolmachoff
Engineer/Consultant/Owner
eServices For 
You


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Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of Kami 
RazvanSent: 
Saturday, November 22, 
2003 7:20 
AMTo: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] text before 
spam.. defeating content filter


Hi;

We are getting a lot of spam 
lately that are being caught primarily with IP4r tests as well as the likes of 
spamdomain or helobogus .. but not content filters. This is, as discussed 
before, because a large amount of text (almost chapter 1 of Gone with the Wind 
:)) is put at the top of the email.



In checking the content.. this is 
the only thing I see before the long text.. could this be used as a 
filter?





This is a multi-part message in 
MIME format.



--=_NextPart_000_0951_7DF4E03D.3CA8D29DContent-Type: 
text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"Content-Transfer-Encoding: 
7bit





 then before the actual 
spam:







--=_NextPart_000_0951_7DF4E03D.3CA8D29DContent-Type: 
text/htmlContent-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable





Does anyone know if the first 
part: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit can be used a filter?Pro? Con? 




There has to be something that 
makes the body of email not show such a long text.. it is not a white font .. 
what is it?



Regards,

Kami


Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Bounce

2003-11-22 Thread DLAnalyzer Support
Keith, 

If you are using a new interim release the bounce action has changed to 
bounceonlyifyoumust. 

Darrell 


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Keith Anderson writes: 

We have a rare situation where we've been asked to bounce emails with a
specific criteria for one customer.  We are using the BOUNCE action as
stated in the comments of the sample file, but we get the logged error
Warning: misconfiguration in following line in configuration file (BOUNCE
is not an ACTION). May be a duplicate test definition? 

Here is the file for this customer.  The test is named AH 

Thanks 

# BOUNCE will send a standard bounce message (and not deliver the E-mail)
# 

SWENBLOCK		ATTACH
WEIGHTLOW		ATTACH
WEIGHTMEDIUM	ATTACH
WEIGHTHIGH 		DELETE
AH			BOUNCE 

 

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] text before spam.. defeating content filter

2003-11-22 Thread John Tolmachoff \(Lists\)









The problem I am seeing is the spammers
know that body filters are the most expensive in terms of processing and are
often limited to the first so many characters.





John Tolmachoff

Engineer/Consultant/Owner

eServices For You







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From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kami Razvan
Sent: Saturday,
 November 22, 2003 8:08 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail]
text before spam.. defeating content filter



Hi John:



Yes that is what we are doing but that is a reactive
measure..



How can one detect large texts that are not showing up. I
guess I am trying to learn how they do it?



How can you have a chapter of a book at top of email and yet
it does not show up?



The two lines I posted are the only things I see before
the long section.. is that what causes it not to show up?











This is a multi-part message in MIME format.











--=_NextPart_000_0951_7DF4E03D.3CA8D29D
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit









Can someone explain if it is the 7bit or the iso-8859-1
that causes the text simply not exist although it does.. if so then we
can filter it...



Regards,

Kami











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Tolmachoff (Lists)
Sent: Saturday,
 November 22, 2003 10:51 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail]
text before spam.. defeating content filter

Kami, I have been looking at subject lines
and MAILFROMs on these type.





John Tolmachoff

Engineer/Consultant/Owner

eServices For You







-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Kami Razvan
Sent: Saturday,
 November 22, 2003 7:20 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] text
before spam.. defeating content filter





Hi;





We are getting a lot of spam lately that are being caught
primarily with IP4r tests as well as the likes of spamdomain or helobogus ..
but not content filters. This is, as discussed before, because a large
amount of text (almost chapter 1 of Gone with the Wind :)) is put at the top of
the email.











In checking the content.. this is the only thing I see
before the long text.. could this be used as a filter?

















This is a multi-part message in MIME format.











--=_NextPart_000_0951_7DF4E03D.3CA8D29D
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

















 then before the actual spam:























--=_NextPart_000_0951_7DF4E03D.3CA8D29D
Content-Type: text/html
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

















Does anyone know if the first part:
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit can be used a filter?Pro? Con? 











There has to be something that makes the body of email not
show such a long text.. it is not a white font .. what is it?











Regards,





Kami














RE: [Declude.JunkMail] text before spam.. defeating content filter

2003-11-22 Thread R. Scott Perry

How can you have a chapter of a book at top of email and yet it does not 
show up?
My guess is that since so many mail clients default to displaying HTML, 
they can just get away with a text segment that is a chapter of a book, and 
then an HTML segment with the spam.

   -Scott
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Bounce

2003-11-22 Thread Keith Anderson


Can someone point me to a URL that contains a list of changes made in these
releases?  Thanks

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 Keith,

 If you are using a new interim release the bounce action has
 changed to
 bounceonlyifyoumust.


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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Bounce

2003-11-22 Thread R. Scott Perry

Can someone point me to a URL that contains a list of changes made in these
releases?  Thanks
http://www.declude.com/relnotes.htm lists changes in each new release and beta.

There is no public list of changes in the interim releases.

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Bounce

2003-11-22 Thread Matthew Bramble
Scott,

I would prefer to bounce the small percentage of blocked E-mail that 
fails within 100% of my lowest fail weight in order to help with FP 
issues on personal E-mail.

It would be very nice though to be able to configure bounces for only 
when the From address matches the HELO domain and the MAILFROM domain.  
That would greatly reduce the number of bogus bounces that my server 
sends out.  My though here is that all three should match for personal 
E-mail however they are very likely to be different with spam.

So how about BOUNCEONLYIFALLTHREETHINGSMATCH?

:)

Matt



R. Scott Perry wrote:


We have a rare situation where we've been asked to bounce emails with a
specific criteria for one customer.  We are using the BOUNCE action as
stated in the comments of the sample file, but we get the logged error
Warning: misconfiguration in following line in configuration file 
(BOUNCE
is not an ACTION). May be a duplicate test definition?


With the latest interim release, the BOUNCE action has been renamed to 
BOUNCEONLYIFYOUMUST.  We're estimating that we have hundreds of 
customers who are using the BOUNCE action with no clue as to what it 
does, and are hoping by renaming it these people will learn a bit more 
about the bounce action before using it.

In your case it looks like you have a good reason for using the bounce 
action.  But a lot of people assume that the spammer will get the 
bounce message, and don't realize that by using the bounce action they 
themselves are spamming.

   -Scott


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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] text before spam.. defeating content filter

2003-11-22 Thread Matthew Bramble
I'll bet that spammers are doing this in order to exceed the amount of 
text that will be parsed by filters in many different spam blocking 
programs.  Scott said that there was a limit of 32K here.  If you use 
the text portion of the E-mail to reach the 32K without having any 
damning words in it, then you can do whatever you want with the HTML 
displayable text (figuring correctly that most mail readers will show 
the HTML portion and not the text portion).

Hopefully before this becomes predominant, Declude will be able to parse 
out the MIME parts and scan just the areas that might contain HTML or 
text, and not worry about counting 32K from the top of the message, but 
the top of each part (figuring you would want to scan all such parts).

Matt



Kami Razvan wrote:

Hi John:
 
Yes that is what we are doing but that is a reactive measure..
 
How can one detect large texts that are not showing up. I guess I am 
trying to learn how they do it?
 
How can you have a chapter of a book at top of email and yet it does 
not show up?
 
The two lines I posted are the only things I see before the long 
section.. is that what causes it not to show up?
 



This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

 

--=_NextPart_000_0951_7DF4E03D.3CA8D29D
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit


 

Can someone explain if it is the 7bit or the iso-8859-1 that causes 
the text simply not exist although it does..  if so then we can filter 
it...

 

Regards,

Kami


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John 
Tolmachoff (Lists)
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 10:51 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] text before spam.. defeating content 
filter

Kami, I have been looking at subject lines and MAILFROMs on these type.

 

John Tolmachoff

Engineer/Consultant/Owner

eServices For You

 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kami Razvan
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 7:20 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] text before spam.. defeating content filter

 

Hi;

We are getting a lot of spam lately that are being caught primarily 
with IP4r tests as well as the likes of spamdomain or helobogus .. but 
not content filters.  This is, as discussed before, because a large 
amount of text (almost chapter 1 of Gone with the Wind :)) is put at 
the top of the email.

 

In checking the content.. this is the only thing I see before the long 
text.. could this be used as a filter?

 



This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

 

--=_NextPart_000_0951_7DF4E03D.3CA8D29D
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit


 

 then before the actual spam:

 



 

--=_NextPart_000_0951_7DF4E03D.3CA8D29D
Content-Type: text/html
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


 

Does anyone know if the first part: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 
can be used a filter? Pro? Con?

 

There has to be something that makes the body of email not show such a 
long text.. it is not a white font .. what is it?

 

Regards,

Kami



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[Declude.JunkMail] GIBBERISH v1.0.7 and GIBBERISHSUB v1.0.6 updates

2003-11-22 Thread Matthew Bramble
I just updated the GIBBERISH and GIBBERISHSUB filters as follows:

GIBBERISH v1.0.7
Added several additional character string exceptions, counterbalances 
for VIN and ASR numbers as well as an exception for UNICODE encoded 
attachments.

GIBBERISHSUB v1.0.6
Added several additional character string exceptions and counterbalances 
for VIN and ASR numbers.

They can be downloaded from the following site (as always)...

  MailPure :: Filter Software :: Declude Filters
  http://www.mailpure.com/software/decludefilters/
Enjoy,

Matt



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[Declude.JunkMail] failed to fail test ?

2003-11-22 Thread Eje Gustafsson
I have the following two tests in my global.cfg (along with others)

HELOBOGUS   helovalid   x   x   6   0
IPNOTINMX   ipnotinmx   x   x   0   -3
REVDNS  revdnsexistsx   x   7   0
NOLEGITCONTENT  nolegitcontent  x   x   0   -8

Yet this piece of mail did come though with a very low rate and didn't
fail the HOLOBOGUS ?

Received: from fament.com [63.165.214.42] by imail.fament.com with ESMTP
  (SMTPD32-8.03) id AD019930280; Sat, 22 Nov 2003 19:27:29 -0600
Received: from DJQ92P11 [192.168.123.124] by fament.com with eSMTP; 
Sat, 22 Nov 2003 19:27:21 -0600
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: ryan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
X-Tests-Failed: IPNOTINMX, REVDNS.
X-Note: Total spam weight of this E-mail is -2.

By default everything supposed to be -11 on a good e-mail.

63.165.214.42 is NOT a valid MX record for fament.com

Wouldn't helobogus add it's weight to it ? Or have I miss understood
the helobogus test ? How can I punish servers that try claim be from
my domain like the above ?

And how could the score end up at -2 ? What is the math behind it.
The -3 and -8 in the 6th column are the only - I have in that column
anywhere. So if it's -8 + 7 then shouldn't the weight be -1 and not -2
? But most important how can I punish servers that claim to be
fament.com if they are not ?

Best regards,
 Eje Aya Gustafsson mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
The Family Entertainment Network  http://www.fament.com
Phone : 620-231-  Fax   : 240-376-7272
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