[Declude.JunkMail] HOAX e-mail filters
When ever I see an e-mail chain letter, virus alert, etc I check it against: http://hoaxbusters.ciac.org/ I was wondering if anyone has a filter for all these don't dial this area code, don't sniff the perfume, the Cancer society will dontate $.05 - Anyone think it is worth the effort to make one? --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
[Declude.JunkMail] OT-Netcraft Phishing Pheed
Just an fyi. Seems like we could have Declude query a public database of sites. Worth a look. Keith For what it's worth, Netcraft has announced that it is making available to ISPs, hosting companies, etc., a feed of it's phishing sites etc. http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2005/04/19/netcraft_phishing_site_feed _available.html --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OT-Netcraft Phishing Pheed
Too bad it appears as if it is going to be fee based. Please contact us ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) for pricing, giving details of the mail server (e.g. sendmail, qmail ...) and/or proxy server (e.g. Squid, Apache ...) or other program that you would like it to interface, and the approximate number of users you have. Darrell Check out http://www.invariantsystems.com for utilities for Declude And Imail. IMail/Declude Overflow Queue Monitoring, SURBL/URI integration, MRTG Integration, and Log Parsers. Keith Johnson writes: Just an fyi. Seems like we could have Declude query a public database of sites. Worth a look. Keith For what it's worth, Netcraft has announced that it is making available to ISPs, hosting companies, etc., a feed of it's phishing sites etc. http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2005/04/19/netcraft_phishing_site_feed _available.html --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Custom Filter Diagnosis Help
Are you using anything like SKIPIFWEIGHT options in the filter or ENDS clauses. Yes, this particular custom filter has the following two lines at the beginning of the filter definition: TESTSFAILED END CONTAINS BYPASS SKIPIFWEIGHT 16 BYPASS never shows up in the line of filter tests, so SKIPIFWEIGHT may be the culprit. I'll comment out the SKIPIFWEIGHT line and see what happens (most likely, my misunderstanding of how SKIPIFWEIGHT works). Thanks for the help! -- Kim W. Premuda FastWave Internet Services San Diego, CA -- --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] HOAX e-mail filters
I do have a filter... But it rarely hits. I imagine Message Sniffer also has rules for the common hoaxes that minimize my filters. - Original Message - From: Marc Catuogno [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 8:46 AM Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] HOAX e-mail filters When ever I see an e-mail chain letter, virus alert, etc I check it against: http://hoaxbusters.ciac.org/ I was wondering if anyone has a filter for all these don't dial this area code, don't sniff the perfume, the Cancer society will dontate $.05 - Anyone think it is worth the effort to make one? --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Custom Filter Diagnosis Help
Kim, Keep in mind SKIPIFWEIGHT is a very good thing as it saves resources by not processing the filter file if the weight is at or above the line. I would leave it, but just set it at a weight where you know the message is SPAM and do not want to expend the resources on the filter file. Darrell --- DLAnalyzer - FREE reporting for Declude Junkmail and Virus - http://www.invariantsystems.com Kim Premuda writes: Are you using anything like SKIPIFWEIGHT options in the filter or ENDS clauses. Yes, this particular custom filter has the following two lines at the beginning of the filter definition: TESTSFAILED END CONTAINS BYPASS SKIPIFWEIGHT 16 BYPASS never shows up in the line of filter tests, so SKIPIFWEIGHT may be the culprit. I'll comment out the SKIPIFWEIGHT line and see what happens (most likely, my misunderstanding of how SKIPIFWEIGHT works). Thanks for the help! -- Kim W. Premuda FastWave Internet Services San Diego, CA -- --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. Check out http://www.invariantsystems.com for utilities for Declude And Imail. IMail/Declude Overflow Queue Monitoring, SURBL/URI integration, MRTG Integration, and Log Parsers. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Custom Filter Diagnosis Help
It can be a good idea to take into account the IPNOTINMX and NOLEGITCONTENT which can bring down the weight under the threshold because this is a total of -8 I set the SKIPIFWEIGHT 8 points higher. Eg. I mark on WEIGHT15 SUBJECT so I use SKIPIFWEIGHT 23 David B www.declude.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 12:11 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Custom Filter Diagnosis Help Kim, Keep in mind SKIPIFWEIGHT is a very good thing as it saves resources by not processing the filter file if the weight is at or above the line. I would leave it, but just set it at a weight where you know the message is SPAM and do not want to expend the resources on the filter file. Darrell --- DLAnalyzer - FREE reporting for Declude Junkmail and Virus - http://www.invariantsystems.com Kim Premuda writes: Are you using anything like SKIPIFWEIGHT options in the filter or ENDS clauses. Yes, this particular custom filter has the following two lines at the beginning of the filter definition: TESTSFAILED END CONTAINS BYPASS SKIPIFWEIGHT 16 BYPASS never shows up in the line of filter tests, so SKIPIFWEIGHT may be the culprit. I'll comment out the SKIPIFWEIGHT line and see what happens (most likely, my misunderstanding of how SKIPIFWEIGHT works). Thanks for the help! -- Kim W. Premuda FastWave Internet Services San Diego, CA -- --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. Check out http://www.invariantsystems.com for utilities for Declude And Imail. IMail/Declude Overflow Queue Monitoring, SURBL/URI integration, MRTG Integration, and Log Parsers. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. __ NOD32 1.1094 (20050512) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.nod32.com --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
[Declude.JunkMail] SO OT its' almost embarrasing: How to get in touch with Yahoo?
Title: SO OT its' almost embarrasing: How to get in touch with Yahoo? Hi, When one does a search on yahoo for Todhunter International, a company and their URL that is not affiliated with us is being returned. My CEO wants me to ensure the reference to this company is removed when doing a yahoo search for Todhunter International. I don't know know where to begin. I have been all over yahoo's site, but any contact us or help link, is just an automated help engine, with no link to a real person. Suggestions? Thanks in advance! Sharyn
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT-Netcraft Phishing Pheed
Darrell, I emailed that sales address to see what they are going to charge. Keith -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 11:18 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OT-Netcraft Phishing Pheed Too bad it appears as if it is going to be fee based. Please contact us ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) for pricing, giving details of the mail server (e.g. sendmail, qmail ...) and/or proxy server (e.g. Squid, Apache ...) or other program that you would like it to interface, and the approximate number of users you have. Darrell Check out http://www.invariantsystems.com for utilities for Declude And Imail. IMail/Declude Overflow Queue Monitoring, SURBL/URI integration, MRTG Integration, and Log Parsers. Keith Johnson writes: Just an fyi. Seems like we could have Declude query a public database of sites. Worth a look. Keith For what it's worth, Netcraft has announced that it is making available to ISPs, hosting companies, etc., a feed of it's phishing sites etc. http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2005/04/19/netcraft_phishing_site_fe ed _available.html --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SO OT its' almost embarrasing: How to get in touch with Yahoo?
Title: SO OT its' almost embarrasing: How to get in touch with Yahoo? Sharyn, I do not think there is anything they will do to change the search engine rankings. The only way I would think you could resolve this is to ensure your website ranks higher using legitimate SEO techniques. David B www.declude.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sharyn SchmidtSent: Friday, May 13, 2005 2:09 PMTo: IMail_Forum@list.ipswitch.comCc: Declude.JunkMail@declude.comSubject: [Declude.JunkMail] SO OT its' almost embarrasing: How to get in touch with Yahoo? Hi, When one does a search on yahoo for Todhunter International, a company and their URL that is not affiliated with us is being returned. My CEO wants me to ensure the reference to this company is removed when doing a yahoo search for Todhunter International. I don't know know where to begin. I have been all over yahoo's site, but any "contact us" or help link, is just an automated help engine, with no link to a real person. Suggestions? Thanks in advance! Sharyn __ NOD32 1.1095 (20050513) Information __This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.http://www.nod32.com
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SO OT its' almost embarrasing: How to get in touch with Yahoo?
Title: Message I do not think there is anything they will do to change the search engine rankings. The only way I would think you could resolve this is to ensure your website ranks higher using legitimate SEO techniques. I would settle for just speaking to someone to find out WHY it's coming up on a search. This company does not use our name, there is no reference to it on their website, no reason for it to appear on a search for Todhunter International. Matter of fact, the words that are highlighted in the summary blurb dont mention Todhunter at all "todhunter international Interstate Sales of New Jersey, LLC. is a consortium of food industry professionals with over 120 years of diversified experience. ... economic restraint are necessary. Interstate Sales of New Jersey can bring ... Copyright 2002 INTERSTATE SALES OF NEW JERSEY ... Why would that come up under a search for our company?
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SO OT its' almost embarrasing: How to get in touch with Yahoo?
Title: Message Can you give the URL so we can see what site you are talking about. Also there is NO way Yahoo is going to reallytell you why they are listed, search engine listings are a highly guarded secret. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sharyn SchmidtSent: Friday, May 13, 2005 2:31 PMTo: Declude.JunkMail@declude.comSubject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SO OT its' almost embarrasing: How to get in touch with Yahoo? I do not think there is anything they will do to change the search engine rankings. The only way I would think you could resolve this is to ensure your website ranks higher using legitimate SEO techniques. I would settle for just speaking to someone to find out WHY it's coming up on a search. This company does not use our name, there is no reference to it on their website, no reason for it to appear on a search for Todhunter International. Matter of fact, the words that are highlighted in the summary blurb dont mention Todhunter at all "todhunter international Interstate Sales of New Jersey, LLC. is a consortium of food industry professionals with over 120 years of diversified experience. ... economic restraint are necessary. Interstate Sales of New Jersey can bring ... Copyright 2002 INTERSTATE SALES OF NEW JERSEY ... Why would that come up under a search for our company?__ NOD32 1.1095 (20050513) Information __This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.http://www.nod32.com
[Declude.JunkMail] My ideal spam filtering solution.
After running declude for almost three years, here are the features I would like to see. Maybe this capability already exists and I am just not knowledgeable enough to set it up. 1) When a user account is set up a folder for spam is set up under his user folder automatically. 2) Spam filtering can be set by the user to tag his spam or to route it to the spam folder. 3) Automatically delete spam old from the spam folder after a set time interval. Chuck Schick Warp 8, Inc. (303)-421-5140 www.warp8.com --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] My ideal spam filtering solution.
Hi Chuck, 1. IMail will automatically do this. 2. A small amount of web scripting could allow the user to either copy templated config files for the user, or select an action for your script to edit them directly to accomplish this. 3. A simple scheduled command line script can accomplish this. Darin. - Original Message - From: Chuck Schick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declude. JunkMail Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 2:39 PM Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] My ideal spam filtering solution. After running declude for almost three years, here are the features I would like to see. Maybe this capability already exists and I am just not knowledgeable enough to set it up. 1) When a user account is set up a folder for spam is set up under his user folder automatically. 2) Spam filtering can be set by the user to tag his spam or to route it to the spam folder. 3) Automatically delete spam old from the spam folder after a set time interval. Chuck Schick Warp 8, Inc. (303)-421-5140 www.warp8.com --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SO OT its' almost embarrasing: How to get in touch with Yahoo?
Title: Message Sharyn, The title that is returned for this listing says "todhunter international" because the page has no title and Yahoo automatically takes your search term and uses it when there is no page title. As to why this page shows up, it likely does so for good reason. My guess is that it is linked to by several things mentioning your products and they are in what appears to be the proper industry. I wouldn't waste any time with Yahoo because you won't get an answer any better than that. Matt Sharyn Schmidt wrote: I do not think there is anything they will do to change the search engine rankings. The only way I would think you could resolve this is to ensure your website ranks higher using legitimate SEO techniques. I would settle for just speaking to someone to find out WHY it's coming up on a search. This company does not use our name, there is no reference to it on their website, no reason for it to appear on a search for Todhunter International. Matter of fact, the words that are highlighted in the summary blurb dont mention Todhunter at all "todhunter international Interstate Sales of New Jersey, LLC. is a consortium of food industry professionals with over 120 years of diversified experience. ... economic restraint are necessary. Interstate Sales of New Jersey can bring ... Copyright 2002 INTERSTATE SALES OF NEW JERSEY ... Why would that come up under a search for our company? -- = MailPure custom filters for Declude JunkMail Pro. http://www.mailpure.com/software/ =
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SO OT its' almost embarrasing: How to get in touch with Yahoo?
Title: Message Can you give the URL so we can see what site you are talking about. Also there is NO way Yahoo is going to reallytell you why they are listed, search engine listings are a highly guarded secret. Yep..here is the url: www.interstate-sale.com
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SO OT its' almost embarrasing: How to get in touch with Yahoo?
Title: Message As to why this page shows up, it likely does so for good reason. My guess is that it is linked to by several things mentioning your products and they are in what appears to be the proper industry.None of the product names or our company show up anywhere in the website, though. This is what is so puzzling.
[Declude.JunkMail] Bug in 2.0.6.12
Title: Message Hello, Recently I upgraded from v.1.8.2 to 2.0.6 and then to 2.0.6.12 This line in my $default$.junkmail file: COUNTERBACKWARNX-Note: Message hit the counter back weight filter test In v.1.8.2 used to add a line in the headers like this: X-Note: Message hit the counter back weight filter test Now it just adds a line with: X-Note: Should I report it to Declude, if so which is the right address? or in this list is enough? Adolfo JustinianoSanta Cruz BBSe-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.scbbs.net
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SO OT its' almost embarrasing: How to get in touch with Yahoo?
Title: Message That's why people use Google :) Matt Sharyn Schmidt wrote: As to why this page shows up, it likely does so for good reason. My guess is that it is linked to by several things mentioning your products and they are in what appears to be the proper industry. None of the product names or our company show up anywhere in the website, though. This is what is so puzzling. -- = MailPure custom filters for Declude JunkMail Pro. http://www.mailpure.com/software/ =
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SO OT its' almost embarrasing: How to get in touch with Yahoo?
Title: Message LOL I'll tell my CEO that Thanks! Sharyn -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MattSent: Friday, May 13, 2005 3:47 PMTo: Declude.JunkMail@declude.comSubject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SO OT its' almost embarrasing: How to get in touch with Yahoo?That's why people use Google :)Matt
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Bug in 2.0.6.12
Title: Message Adolfo, Please send all bug/support issues to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks Barry From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Adolfo Justiniano Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 3:49 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Bug in 2.0.6.12 Hello, Recently I upgraded from v.1.8.2 to 2.0.6 and then to 2.0.6.12 This line in my $default$.junkmail file: COUNTERBACKWARNX-Note: Message hit the counter back weight filter test In v.1.8.2 used to add a line in the headers like this: X-Note: Message hit the counter back weight filter test Now it just adds a line with: X-Note: Should I report it to Declude, if so which is the right address? or in this list is enough? Adolfo Justiniano Santa Cruz BBS e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.scbbs.net
[Declude.JunkMail] Graceful way to stop services
Title: Message Hi, What is the most graceful way to stop mail processing on an IMail/Declude process? At present when I have to stop the services I stop the SMTP service then the Queue Manager Service, watch task manager for all the Declude processes to stop. Will this method leave T*.SMD files or incomplete D*.SMD files? I think it does. Goran Jovanovic The LAN Shoppe
[Declude.JunkMail] What is a D*.SM$ file
Title: Message Hi all, I have some leftover D*.SM$ files that seem to be showing up occasionally in my spool directory. These files contain the e-mail after declude has processed the e-mail. There is no corresponding T or Q file sitting around so it is definitely an orphan. Any idea on why/what this file is? Thanx Goran Jovanovic The LAN Shoppe
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Graceful way to stop services
Title: Message The incomplete T and associated D files are a result of stopping the Imail SMTP service. FYI, any such files will be retried by the sending client or server as the session was incomplete. John T eServices For You -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Goran Jovanovic Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 1:42 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Graceful way to stop services Hi, What is the most graceful way to stop mail processing on an IMail/Declude process? At present when I have to stop the services I stop the SMTP service then the Queue Manager Service, watch task manager for all the Declude processes to stop. Will this method leave T*.SMD files or incomplete D*.SMD files? I think it does. Goran Jovanovic The LAN Shoppe
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Graceful way to stop services
Title: Message You should only need to stop the SMTP service and then wait about 10 seconds. Matt Goran Jovanovic wrote: Hi, What is the most graceful way to stop mail processing on an IMail/Declude process? At present when I have to stop the services I stop the SMTP service then the Queue Manager Service, watch task manager for all the Declude processes to stop. Will this method leave T*.SMD files or incomplete D*.SMD files? I think it does. Goran Jovanovic The LAN Shoppe -- = MailPure custom filters for Declude JunkMail Pro. http://www.mailpure.com/software/ =
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] What is a D*.SM$ file
Title: Message Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the most common cause is when the email is undeliverable to it's destination, and the postmaster response to the sender is also undeliverable. In that case, then the maximum tries are reached the Q file is deleted, but the D remains. Darin. - Original Message - From: Goran Jovanovic To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 5:01 PM Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] What is a D*.SM$ file Hi all, I have some leftover D*.SM$ files that seem to be showing up occasionally in my spool directory. These files contain the e-mail after declude has processed the e-mail. There is no corresponding T or Q file sitting around so it is definitely an orphan. Any idea on why/what this file is? Thanx Goran Jovanovic The LAN Shoppe
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Graceful way to stop services
Title: Message But stopping the SMTP service creates the incomplete T and D files right? So there is no way to tell IMail to do not accept any more connections and finish what you are doing so that I can stop the process without getting the incomplete files? I know that the sending server will retry the mail again so I am not really worried about losing mail I was just trying to prevent clutter in the spool directory. In any case I have a cleanup routing that deletes old T, D and Q files. Goran Jovanovic The LAN Shoppe From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 5:09 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Graceful way to stop services You should only need to stop the SMTP service and then wait about 10 seconds. Matt Goran Jovanovic wrote: Hi, What is the most graceful way to stop mail processing on an IMail/Declude process? At present when I have to stop the services I stop the SMTP service then the Queue Manager Service, watch task manager for all the Declude processes to stop. Will this method leave T*.SMD files or incomplete D*.SMD files? I think it does. Goran Jovanovic The LAN Shoppe -- =MailPure custom filters for Declude JunkMail Pro.http://www.mailpure.com/software/=
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Graceful way to stop services
Title: Message True, there is no way to stop new connections yet allow existing connections to complete. John T eServices For You -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Goran Jovanovic Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 2:36 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Graceful way to stop services But stopping the SMTP service creates the incomplete T and D files right? So there is no way to tell IMail to do not accept any more connections and finish what you are doing so that I can stop the process without getting the incomplete files? I know that the sending server will retry the mail again so I am not really worried about losing mail I was just trying to prevent clutter in the spool directory. In any case I have a cleanup routing that deletes old T, D and Q files. Goran Jovanovic The LAN Shoppe From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 5:09 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Graceful way to stop services You should only need to stop the SMTP service and then wait about 10 seconds. Matt Goran Jovanovic wrote: Hi, What is the most graceful way to stop mail processing on an IMail/Declude process? At present when I have to stop the services I stop the SMTP service then the Queue Manager Service, watch task manager for all the Declude processes to stop. Will this method leave T*.SMD files or incomplete D*.SMD files? I think it does. Goran Jovanovic The LAN Shoppe -- =MailPure custom filters for Declude JunkMail Pro.http://www.mailpure.com/software/=
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Graceful way to stop services
Title: Message Goran, I'm not 100% positive about this, but I don't think that it leaves garbage lying around if you stop the SMTP service, or if it does, it is normally minimal. Stopping the Queue Manager might, but I generally don't do that. It's not uncommon for me to stop my SMTP service and I don't have orphans lying around. I do however gateway everything through different servers which stops the problem where zombies will leave incomplete E-mails all over the place, and IMail will even deliver some of them even though they don't even contain a full set of headers. A lot of the trash that you might be seeing may very well be from zombies. I seem to recall that the renaming of the SMD files to SM$ might indicate that they are missing a Q file or something and were found stranded in the spool, and might also be related to these bad sessions that timeout. You can't do anything about the zombie/broken mailer issue unless you use a different piece of software as your gateway for incoming E-mail. Anyway, every midnight I run the following command line tool from Ipswitch to clean out my spool of files older than 3 days: C:\IMail\ISplCln.exe -n 3 The "-n" switch targets non-logs. An additional switch for "-l" will target the logs. It doesn't traverse directories and it uses the Spool location stored in IMail. My command will delete any E-mail file older than 3 days that is sitting in the spool. I only retry E-mail for up to 18 hours, so practically speaking, I could get away with deleting after just 1 day and not affect my system, but I like to have a history of a few days there just in case something happened and I missed it. http://support.ipswitch.com/kb/IM-19990629-DM06.htm Matt Goran Jovanovic wrote: But stopping the SMTP service creates the incomplete T and D files right? So there is no way to tell IMail to do not accept any more connections and finish what you are doing so that I can stop the process without getting the incomplete files? I know that the sending server will retry the mail again so I am not really worried about losing mail I was just trying to prevent clutter in the spool directory. In any case I have a cleanup routing that deletes old T, D and Q files. Goran Jovanovic The LAN Shoppe From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 5:09 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Graceful way to stop services You should only need to stop the SMTP service and then wait about 10 seconds. Matt Goran Jovanovic wrote: Hi, What is the most graceful way to stop mail processing on an IMail/Declude process? At present when I have to stop the services I stop the SMTP service then the Queue Manager Service, watch task manager for all the Declude processes to stop. Will this method leave T*.SMD files or incomplete D*.SMD files? I think it does. Goran Jovanovic The LAN Shoppe -- = MailPure custom filters for Declude JunkMail Pro. http://www.mailpure.com/software/ = -- = MailPure custom filters for Declude JunkMail Pro. http://www.mailpure.com/software/ =
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Graceful way to stop services
Title: Message ... which is why I tell my stateful firewall instead. Essentially, I disable the inbound SMTP rule, and the stateful inspection does not interfere with the current transactions, just blocks new connections. Then I can do whatevermaintenance was required, including graceful shutdowns. New connections are blocked, and the sending server retries. Typically, spammers don't, so there is no tidal wave of backlogged spam that comes in with the ham once the firewall allows inbound SMTP again. On another note, if you stop IMail and get a brokenconnection, the sending server knows that the connection was broken, so the message will be re-sent once you allow mail in again. The orphaned files do not mean that your client has missed a message. Andrew 8) -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Goran JovanovicSent: Friday, May 13, 2005 2:36 PMTo: Declude.JunkMail@declude.comSubject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Graceful way to stop services But stopping the SMTP service creates the incomplete T and D files right? So there is no way to tell IMail to do not accept any more connections and finish what you are doing so that I can stop the process without getting the incomplete files? I know that the sending server will retry the mail again so I am not really worried about losing mail I was just trying to prevent clutter in the spool directory. In any case I have a cleanup routing that deletes old T, D and Q files. Goran Jovanovic The LAN Shoppe From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MattSent: Friday, May 13, 2005 5:09 PMTo: Declude.JunkMail@declude.comSubject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Graceful way to stop services You should only need to stop the SMTP service and then wait about 10 seconds.MattGoran Jovanovic wrote: Hi, What is the most graceful way to stop mail processing on an IMail/Declude process? At present when I have to stop the services I stop the SMTP service then the Queue Manager Service, watch task manager for all the Declude processes to stop. Will this method leave T*.SMD files or incomplete D*.SMD files? I think it does. Goran Jovanovic The LAN Shoppe -- =MailPure custom filters for Declude JunkMail Pro.http://www.mailpure.com/software/=
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Graceful way to stop services
Title: Message Exercise caution if you're using isplcln.exe with an old version of IMail. See my posting in the web archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/declude.junkmail@declude.com/msg22444.html Andrew 8) -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MattSent: Friday, May 13, 2005 2:56 PMTo: Declude.JunkMail@declude.comSubject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Graceful way to stop servicesGoran,I'm not 100% positive about this, but I don't think that it leaves garbage lying around if you stop the SMTP service, or if it does, it is normally minimal. Stopping the Queue Manager might, but I generally don't do that. It's not uncommon for me to stop my SMTP service and I don't have orphans lying around. I do however gateway everything through different servers which stops the problem where zombies will leave incomplete E-mails all over the place, and IMail will even deliver some of them even though they don't even contain a full set of headers. A lot of the trash that you might be seeing may very well be from zombies. I seem to recall that the renaming of the SMD files to SM$ might indicate that they are missing a Q file or something and were found stranded in the spool, and might also be related to these bad sessions that timeout. You can't do anything about the zombie/broken mailer issue unless you use a different piece of software as your gateway for incoming E-mail.Anyway, every midnight I run the following command line tool from Ipswitch to clean out my spool of files older than 3 days: C:\IMail\ISplCln.exe -n 3The "-n" switch targets non-logs. An additional switch for "-l" will target the logs. It doesn't traverse directories and it uses the Spool location stored in IMail. My command will delete any E-mail file older than 3 days that is sitting in the spool. I only retry E-mail for up to 18 hours, so practically speaking, I could get away with deleting after just 1 day and not affect my system, but I like to have a history of a few days there just in case something happened and I missed it. http://support.ipswitch.com/kb/IM-19990629-DM06.htmMattGoran Jovanovic wrote: But stopping the SMTP service creates the incomplete T and D files right? So there is no way to tell IMail to do not accept any more connections and finish what you are doing so that I can stop the process without getting the incomplete files? I know that the sending server will retry the mail again so I am not really worried about losing mail I was just trying to prevent clutter in the spool directory. In any case I have a cleanup routing that deletes old T, D and Q files. Goran Jovanovic The LAN Shoppe From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of MattSent: Friday, May 13, 2005 5:09 PMTo: Declude.JunkMail@declude.comSubject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Graceful way to stop services You should only need to stop the SMTP service and then wait about 10 seconds.MattGoran Jovanovic wrote: Hi, What is the most graceful way to stop mail processing on an IMail/Declude process? At present when I have to stop the services I stop the SMTP service then the Queue Manager Service, watch task manager for all the Declude processes to stop. Will this method leave T*.SMD files or incomplete D*.SMD files? I think it does. Goran Jovanovic The LAN Shoppe -- =MailPure custom filters for Declude JunkMail Pro.http://www.mailpure.com/software/=-- = MailPure custom filters for Declude JunkMail Pro. http://www.mailpure.com/software/ =
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Graceful way to stop services
Title: Message Andrew, great idea. Never thought of disabling inbound connections on the firewall. That would indeed allow existing to continue but prevent any new. John T eServices For You -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Colbeck, Andrew Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 2:59 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Graceful way to stop services ... which is why I tell my stateful firewall instead. Essentially, I disable the inbound SMTP rule, and the stateful inspection does not interfere with the current transactions, just blocks new connections. Then I can do whatevermaintenance was required, including graceful shutdowns. New connections are blocked, and the sending server retries. Typically, spammers don't, so there is no tidal wave of backlogged spam that comes in with the ham once the firewall allows inbound SMTP again.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Graceful way to stop services
Title: Message Wait, I know why I don't get all the garbage after stopping SMTP. My gateway software runs on the same box, so my IMail SMTP sessions for incoming E-mail last only milliseconds and it's rare that one gets caught while SMTP is being stopped. So you may very well see a bunch of trash generated by stopping the service. Matt Matt wrote: Goran, I'm not 100% positive about this, but I don't think that it leaves garbage lying around if you stop the SMTP service, or if it does, it is normally minimal. Stopping the Queue Manager might, but I generally don't do that. It's not uncommon for me to stop my SMTP service and I don't have orphans lying around. I do however gateway everything through different servers which stops the problem where zombies will leave incomplete E-mails all over the place, and IMail will even deliver some of them even though they don't even contain a full set of headers. A lot of the trash that you might be seeing may very well be from zombies. I seem to recall that the renaming of the SMD files to SM$ might indicate that they are missing a Q file or something and were found stranded in the spool, and might also be related to these bad sessions that timeout. You can't do anything about the zombie/broken mailer issue unless you use a different piece of software as your gateway for incoming E-mail. Anyway, every midnight I run the following command line tool from Ipswitch to clean out my spool of files older than 3 days: C:\IMail\ISplCln.exe -n 3 The "-n" switch targets non-logs. An additional switch for "-l" will target the logs. It doesn't traverse directories and it uses the Spool location stored in IMail. My command will delete any E-mail file older than 3 days that is sitting in the spool. I only retry E-mail for up to 18 hours, so practically speaking, I could get away with deleting after just 1 day and not affect my system, but I like to have a history of a few days there just in case something happened and I missed it. http://support.ipswitch.com/kb/IM-19990629-DM06.htm Matt Goran Jovanovic wrote: But stopping the SMTP service creates the incomplete T and D files right? So there is no way to tell IMail to do not accept any more connections and finish what you are doing so that I can stop the process without getting the incomplete files? I know that the sending server will retry the mail again so I am not really worried about losing mail I was just trying to prevent clutter in the spool directory. In any case I have a cleanup routing that deletes old T, D and Q files. Goran Jovanovic The LAN Shoppe From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 5:09 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Graceful way to stop services You should only need to stop the SMTP service and then wait about 10 seconds. Matt Goran Jovanovic wrote: Hi, What is the most graceful way to stop mail processing on an IMail/Declude process? At present when I have to stop the services I stop the SMTP service then the Queue Manager Service, watch task manager for all the Declude processes to stop. Will this method leave T*.SMD files or incomplete D*.SMD files? I think it does. Goran Jovanovic The LAN Shoppe -- = MailPure custom filters for Declude JunkMail Pro. http://www.mailpure.com/software/ = -- = MailPure custom filters for Declude JunkMail Pro. http://www.mailpure.com/software/ = -- = MailPure custom filters for Declude JunkMail Pro. http://www.mailpure.com/software/ =
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Graceful way to stop services
Title: Message Thanx for the tip. I am actually using a program called cleaner.exe with a cleaner.ini file that I run every night. I think I will continue to use it so that all my log deletion etc can be found in one place. Only problem with Cleaner is that the log file it produces is in German Untersuche c:\imail\spool\virus\ (I think) Thanx to all Goran Jovanovic The LAN Shoppe 2345 Yonge Street, Suite 302 Toronto, Ontario M4P 2E5 Phone: (416) 440-1167 x-2113 Cell: (416) 931-0688 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Colbeck, Andrew Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 6:03 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Graceful way to stop services Exercise caution if you're using isplcln.exe with an old version of IMail. See my posting in the web archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/declude.junkmail@declude.com/msg22444.html Andrew 8) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 2:56 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Graceful way to stop services Goran, I'm not 100% positive about this, but I don't think that it leaves garbage lying around if you stop the SMTP service, or if it does, it is normally minimal. Stopping the Queue Manager might, but I generally don't do that. It's not uncommon for me to stop my SMTP service and I don't have orphans lying around. I do however gateway everything through different servers which stops the problem where zombies will leave incomplete E-mails all over the place, and IMail will even deliver some of them even though they don't even contain a full set of headers. A lot of the trash that you might be seeing may very well be from zombies. I seem to recall that the renaming of the SMD files to SM$ might indicate that they are missing a Q file or something and were found stranded in the spool, and might also be related to these bad sessions that timeout. You can't do anything about the zombie/broken mailer issue unless you use a different piece of software as your gateway for incoming E-mail. Anyway, every midnight I run the following command line tool from Ipswitch to clean out my spool of files older than 3 days: C:\IMail\ISplCln.exe -n 3 The -n switch targets non-logs. An additional switch for -l will target the logs. It doesn't traverse directories and it uses the Spool location stored in IMail. My command will delete any E-mail file older than 3 days that is sitting in the spool. I only retry E-mail for up to 18 hours, so practically speaking, I could get away with deleting after just 1 day and not affect my system, but I like to have a history of a few days there just in case something happened and I missed it. http://support.ipswitch.com/kb/IM-19990629-DM06.htm Matt Goran Jovanovic wrote: But stopping the SMTP service creates the incomplete T and D files right? So there is no way to tell IMail to do not accept any more connections and finish what you are doing so that I can stop the process without getting the incomplete files? I know that the sending server will retry the mail again so I am not really worried about losing mail I was just trying to prevent clutter in the spool directory. In any case I have a cleanup routing that deletes old T, D and Q files. Goran Jovanovic The LAN Shoppe From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 5:09 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Graceful way to stop services You should only need to stop the SMTP service and then wait about 10 seconds. Matt Goran Jovanovic wrote: Hi, What is the most graceful way to stop mail processing on an IMail/Declude process? At present when I have to stop the services I stop the SMTP service then the Queue Manager Service, watch task manager for all the Declude processes to stop. Will this method leave T*.SMD files or incomplete D*.SMD files? I think it does. Goran Jovanovic The LAN Shoppe -- =MailPure custom filters for Declude JunkMail Pro.http://www.mailpure.com/software/= -- =MailPure custom filters for Declude JunkMail Pro.http://www.mailpure.com/software/=
[Declude.JunkMail] Strange behavior
Alright, due to "management decisions" they want me to test a product from sprint for spam and virus protection. It is setup a pre-cursor to our imail and declude setup, but is only set to add a x-header into the email. Since I've done this, more spam seems to be coming through. Do I need to set hop 0 and hophigh 1 or 2 now? hop is currently set to 0 and hophigh is commented out. Does declude virus need any modification as such?
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Strange behavior
Doug, You will need to "IPBYPASS" their systems. This will cause Declude to look at the hop past their system. Right now all of your RBL checks are looking up the sprint servers which will definitely be a major factor in you receiving more spam. Darrell ---DLAnalyzer - FREE Declude Junkmail and Virus reporting - try it today at http://www.invariantsystems.com - Original Message - From: Doug Anderson To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Cc: Declude.Virus@declude.com Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 6:46 PM Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Strange behavior Alright, due to "management decisions" they want me to test a product from sprint for spam and virus protection. It is setup a pre-cursor to our imail and declude setup, but is only set to add a x-header into the email. Since I've done this, more spam seems to be coming through. Do I need to set hop 0 and hophigh 1 or 2 now? hop is currently set to 0 and hophigh is commented out. Does declude virus need any modification as such?
