RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3.0
The community support for SmarterMail is much smaller (or at least quieter). We are running one SM server for a client and Ive posted several questions on the SM support forums and have not received any responses at all. Similar posts to Imail or Declude discussion lists have always resulted in lots of replies with useful help. Obviously the products are different and the questions are different, but so far Im not impressed with the size/responsiveness of the community. Thats an important factor we will consider seriously before migrating any other servers from Imail to SM saving a few hundred dollars in license costs is insignificant if we cant get help one way or another as quickly. (Needless to say, the SM questions were on issues that SM tech support provided courteous but not helpful replies when first submitted privately as an email support case, so I was hoping for help from the community) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Evans Martin Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 10:48 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3.0 Its such a breath of fresh air having been in the IMail camp for the last several years. LOL! Evans Martin EVANS MARTIN [EMAIL PROTECTED] HOSTING: http://www.martek.net PROGRAMMING: http://www.martekware.com iPlus Info Browser IPBs IMail Migration Tool, password browser, reporting suite make IPlus Info Browser something no IMail administrator should be without. http://www.martek.net/Default.aspx?tabid=96 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Steiner Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 6:48 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3.0 The following was posted today on SmarterTools web forums: Q: When will we expect to see v. 3? A: The release date depends on the results of final QA. The product is essentially done, just making sure that all the bugs are out of it. Since mail servers are so critical to people's infrastructure, we work extremely hard to make a stable release with no issues that are going to bite you. We don't sacrifice stability for a quick release. Assuming everything is in good order (which to this point it appears to be), release will be middle of January. You can view the original post at http://forums.smartertools.com/forums/2/11125/ShowPost.aspx#11125
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3.0
web-based forum: I have to go there each day and spend some minutes to find out what's going on. My 24 hours each day are short enough that I will do that one, two or some more days but then I will left the forum until I havea new problem. And for shure not to see if someone maybe has a problem where I mabe can help. list-based forum: new postings are comming in and I can see them. If the subject is well choosen I can easily see if it's something important, or maybe something I've already solved and so can share an easy solution. Are there many replies on a new thread? = it's an indicator that it can be maybe something interesting or important for me too. All the rest can be ignored. mail-client rules move all my incomming list-messages to subfolders so that I have my normal inbox for the daily work. Markus From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert E. SpivackSent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 10:42 AMTo: Declude.JunkMail@declude.comSubject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3.0 The community support for SmarterMail is much smaller (or at least quieter). We are running one SM server for a client and Ive posted several questions on the SM support forums and have not received any responses at all. Similar posts to Imail or Declude discussion lists have always resulted in lots of replies with useful help. Obviously the products are different and the questions are different, but so far Im not impressed with the size/responsiveness of the community. Thats an important factor we will consider seriously before migrating any other servers from Imail to SM saving a few hundred dollars in license costs is insignificant if we cant get help one way or another as quickly. (Needless to say, the SM questions were on issues that SM tech support provided courteous but not helpful replies when first submitted privately as an email support case, so I was hoping for help from the community) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Evans MartinSent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 10:48 PMTo: Declude.JunkMail@declude.comSubject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3.0 Its such a breath of fresh air having been in the IMail camp for the last several years. LOL! Evans Martin EVANS MARTIN [EMAIL PROTECTED] HOSTING: http://www.martek.net PROGRAMMING: http://www.martekware.com iPlus Info Browser IPBs IMail Migration Tool, password browser, reporting suite make IPlus Info Browser something no IMail administrator should be without. http://www.martek.net/Default.aspx?tabid=96 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary SteinerSent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 6:48 PMTo: Declude.JunkMail@declude.comSubject: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3.0 The following was posted today on SmarterTools web forums: Q: When will we expect to see v. 3? A: The release date depends on the results of final QA. The product is essentially done, just making sure that all the bugs are out of it. Since mail servers are so critical to people's infrastructure, we work extremely hard to make a stable release with no issues that are going to bite you. We don't sacrifice stability for a quick release. Assuming everything is in good order (which to this point it appears to be), release will be middle of January. You can view the original post at http://forums.smartertools.com/forums/2/11125/ShowPost.aspx#11125
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3.0
I've also posted question to their forum with little or no response (I didn't think the questions were that obscure). There definitely seems to be more experts in the IMail camp, or at least experts that are willing to share. As with new versions of IMail, I'll take the wait and see attitude with Smartermail 3.0 MIchael Graveen At 03:42 AM 12/21/2005, you wrote: The community support for SmarterMail is much smaller (or at least quieter). We are running one SM server for a client and Ive posted several questions on the SM support forums and have not received any responses at all. Similar posts to Imail or Declude discussion lists have always resulted in lots of replies with useful help. Obviously the products are different and the questions are different, but so far Im not impressed with the size/responsiveness of the community. Thats an important factor we will consider seriously before migrating any other servers from Imail to SM saving a few hundred dollars in license costs is insignificant if we cant get help one way or another as quickly. (Needless to say, the SM questions were on issues that SM tech support provided courteous but not helpful replies when first submitted privately as an email support case, so I was hoping for help from the community) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Evans Martin Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 10:48 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3.0 Its such a breath of fresh air having been in the IMail camp for the last several years. LOL! Evans Martin EVANS MARTIN [EMAIL PROTECTED] HOSTING: http://www.martek.net PROGRAMMING: http://www.martekware.com iPlus Info Browser IPBs IMail Migration Tool, password browser, reporting suite make IPlus Info Browser something no IMail administrator should be without. http://www.martek.net/Default.aspx?tabid=96 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Gary Steiner Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 6:48 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3.0 The following was posted today on SmarterTools web forums: Q: When will we expect to see v. 3? A: The release date depends on the results of final QA. The product is essentially done, just making sure that all the bugs are out of it. Since mail servers are so critical to people's infrastructure, we work extremely hard to make a stable release with no issues that are going to bite you. We don't sacrifice stability for a quick release. Assuming everything is in good order (which to this point it appears to be), release will be middle of January. You can view the original post at http://forums.smartertools.com/forums/2/11125/ShowPost.aspx#11125
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3.0
what questions do you have regarding smartermail? or what is your username in the forum to look for them. I try to be actively involved in the forum -that is my way to learn about smartermail- and I will be glad to try to help. regards -Luis Arango From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael GraveenSent: Miércoles, 21 de Diciembre de 2005 08:51 a.m.To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.comSubject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3.0 I've also posted question to their forum with little or no response (I didn't think the questions were that obscure). There definitely seems to be more "experts" in the IMail camp, or at least experts that are willing to share.As with new versions of IMail, I'll take the "wait and see attitude" with Smartermail 3.0MIchael GraveenAt 03:42 AM 12/21/2005, you wrote: The community support for SmarterMail is much smaller (or at least quieter).We are running one SM server for a client and Ive posted several questions on the SM support forums and have not received any responses at all.Similar posts to Imail or Declude discussion lists have always resulted in lots of replies with useful help.Obviously the products are different and the questions are different, but so far Im not impressed with the size/responsiveness of the community. Thats an important factor we will consider seriously before migrating any other servers from Imail to SM saving a few hundred dollars in license costs is insignificant if we cant get help one way or another as quickly.(Needless to say, the SM questions were on issues that SM tech support provided courteous but not helpful replies when first submitted privately as an email support case, so I was hoping for help from the community) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Evans MartinSent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 10:48 PMTo: Declude.JunkMail@declude.comSubject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3.0Its such a breath of fresh air having been in the IMail camp for the last several years. LOL!Evans MartinEVANS MARTIN [EMAIL PROTECTED]HOSTING: http://www.martek.netPROGRAMMING: http://www.martekware.comiPlus Info Browser IPBs IMail Migration Tool, password browser, reporting suite make IPlus Info Browser something no IMail administrator should be without. http://www.martek.net/Default.aspx?tabid=96 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Gary SteinerSent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 6:48 PMTo: Declude.JunkMail@declude.comSubject: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3.0The following was posted today on SmarterTools web forums: Q: When will we expect to see v. 3? A: The release date depends on the results of final QA. The product is essentially done, just making sure that all the bugs are out of it. Since mail servers are so critical to people's infrastructure, we work extremely hard to make a stable release with no issues that are going to bite you. We don't sacrifice stability for a quick release. Assuming everything is in good order (which to this point it appears to be), release will be middle of January.You can view the original post at http://forums.smartertools.com/forums/2/11125/ShowPost.aspx#11125
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3.0
Guys, Why dont all of us who own smartermail send an email to smartertools asking them to launch a smartertools discussion list? It will take more than one person requesting it for them to set it up. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Graveen Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 7:51 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3.0 I've also posted question to their forum with little or no response (I didn't think the questions were that obscure). There definitely seems to be more experts in the IMail camp, or at least experts that are willing to share. As with new versions of IMail, I'll take the wait and see attitude with Smartermail 3.0 MIchael Graveen At 03:42 AM 12/21/2005, you wrote: The community support for SmarterMail is much smaller (or at least quieter). We are running one SM server for a client and Ive posted several questions on the SM support forums and have not received any responses at all. Similar posts to Imail or Declude discussion lists have always resulted in lots of replies with useful help. Obviously the products are different and the questions are different, but so far Im not impressed with the size/responsiveness of the community. Thats an important factor we will consider seriously before migrating any other servers from Imail to SM saving a few hundred dollars in license costs is insignificant if we cant get help one way or another as quickly. (Needless to say, the SM questions were on issues that SM tech support provided courteous but not helpful replies when first submitted privately as an email support case, so I was hoping for help from the community) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Evans Martin Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 10:48 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3.0 Its such a breath of fresh air having been in the IMail camp for the last several years. LOL! Evans Martin EVANS MARTIN [EMAIL PROTECTED] HOSTING: http://www.martek.net PROGRAMMING: http://www.martekware.com iPlus Info Browser IPBs IMail Migration Tool, password browser, reporting suite make IPlus Info Browser something no IMail administrator should be without. http://www.martek.net/Default.aspx?tabid=96 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Gary Steiner Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 6:48 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3.0 The following was posted today on SmarterTools web forums: Q: When will we expect to see v. 3? A: The release date depends on the results of final QA. The product is essentially done, just making sure that all the bugs are out of it. Since mail servers are so critical to people's infrastructure, we work extremely hard to make a stable release with no issues that are going to bite you. We don't sacrifice stability for a quick release. Assuming everything is in good order (which to this point it appears to be), release will be middle of January. You can view the original post at http://forums.smartertools.com/forums/2/11125/ShowPost.aspx#11125
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3.0
Maybe you could get IPSwitch to set one up. LOL! -Chris -- Original Message -- From: Dave Beckstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 11:02:14 -0600 Guys, Why don't all of us who own smartermail send an email to smartertools asking them to launch a smartertools discussion list? It will take more than one person requesting it for them to set it up. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Graveen Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 7:51 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3.0 I've also posted question to their forum with little or no response (I didn't think the questions were that obscure). There definitely seems to be more experts in the IMail camp, or at least experts that are willing to share. As with new versions of IMail, I'll take the wait and see attitude with Smartermail 3.0 MIchael Graveen At 03:42 AM 12/21/2005, you wrote: The community support for SmarterMail is much smaller (or at least quieter). We are running one SM server for a client and I've posted several questions on the SM support forums and have not received any responses at all. Similar posts to Imail or Declude discussion lists have always resulted in lots of replies with useful help. Obviously the products are different and the questions are different, but so far I'm not impressed with the size/responsiveness of the community. That's an important factor we will consider seriously before migrating any other servers from Imail to SM - saving a few hundred dollars in license costs is insignificant if we can't get help one way or another as quickly. (Needless to say, the SM questions were on issues that SM tech support provided courteous but not helpful replies when first submitted privately as an email support case, so I was hoping for help from the community) _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Evans Martin Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 10:48 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3.0 It's such a breath of fresh air having been in the IMail camp for the last several years. LOL! Evans Martin EVANS MARTIN [EMAIL PROTECTED] HOSTING: http://www.martek.net http://www.martek.net/ PROGRAMMING: http://www.martekware.com http://www.martekware.com/ iPlus Info Browser - IPB's IMail Migration Tool, password browser, reporting suite make IPlus Info Browser something no IMail administrator should be without. http://www.martek.net/Default.aspx?tabid=96 _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Steiner Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 6:48 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3.0 The following was posted today on SmarterTools web forums: Q: When will we expect to see v. 3? A: The release date depends on the results of final QA. The product is essentially done, just making sure that all the bugs are out of it. Since mail servers are so critical to people's infrastructure, we work extremely hard to make a stable release with no issues that are going to bite you. We don't sacrifice stability for a quick release. Assuming everything is in good order (which to this point it appears to be), release will be middle of January. You can view the original post at http://forums.smartertools.com/forums/2/11125/ShowPost.aspx#11125 --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
[Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail and Declude
We have one problem with the smartermail and declude combination and I'm wondering if perhaps the folks at Declude could work with smartertools to resolve it. We have Declude set up to NOT add any headers to outbound email. On inbound email (email sent to us) we add headers such as actual recipients. Here is the problem. We have an Alias set up called moderators and its used by our forum moderators. Mail sent to moderators@ is distributed to about 10 people who have email accounts on yahoo, hotmail, etc. The problem we have is that the recipient's email addresses are showing up in the Declude headers on email sent to them. This isn't good because we don't want users to be able to look at the headers and see the real addresses of our moderators. Something about how the alias is processed must make it look like an in-bound email to Declude at some point and it adds the Declude headers and then forwards the email on to the recipients respective email accounts. This should not happen with Alias's and we need a fix for this. Thanks, Dave --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3.0
Evans Martin set up an unofficial SmarterMail discussion list a few weeks ago. Original message below Hey guys! I got really tired of having to log into a web based forum to see what is going on with SmarterMail so I created a list that I hope we can turn into something similar to the IMail or Declude user community lists. Who knows, if enough of us subscribe and start using it, maybe SmarterTools will lose the web forum and switch to a list format. If youre interested in giving this a try shoot an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with subscribe smartermail in the BODY of the message (subject will be ignored). I miss the knowledgeable user community that IMail was so famous for. Maybe we can do the same for SmarterMail. Thanks, Evans Martin From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Beckstrom Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 11:02 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: SV RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3.0 Guys, Why dont all of us who own smartermail send an email to smartertools asking them to launch a smartertools discussion list? It will take more than one person requesting it for them to set it up. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Graveen Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 7:51 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3.0 I've also posted question to their forum with little or no response (I didn't think the questions were that obscure). There definitely seems to be more experts in the IMail camp, or at least experts that are willing to share. As with new versions of IMail, I'll take the wait and see attitude with Smartermail 3.0 MIchael Graveen At 03:42 AM 12/21/2005, you wrote: The community support for SmarterMail is much smaller (or at least quieter). We are running one SM server for a client and Ive posted several questions on the SM support forums and have not received any responses at all. Similar posts to Imail or Declude discussion lists have always resulted in lots of replies with useful help. Obviously the products are different and the questions are different, but so far Im not impressed with the size/responsiveness of the community. Thats an important factor we will consider seriously before migrating any other servers from Imail to SM saving a few hundred dollars in license costs is insignificant if we cant get help one way or another as quickly. (Needless to say, the SM questions were on issues that SM tech support provided courteous but not helpful replies when first submitted privately as an email support case, so I was hoping for help from the community) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Evans Martin Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 10:48 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3.0 Its such a breath of fresh air having been in the IMail camp for the last several years. LOL! Evans Martin EVANS MARTIN [EMAIL PROTECTED] HOSTING: http://www.martek.net PROGRAMMING: http://www.martekware.com iPlus Info Browser IPBs IMail Migration Tool, password browser, reporting suite make IPlus Info Browser something no IMail administrator should be without. http://www.martek.net/Default.aspx?tabid=96 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Gary Steiner Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 6:48 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3.0 The following was posted today on SmarterTools web forums: Q: When will we expect to see v. 3? A: The release date depends on the results of final QA. The product is essentially done, just making sure that all the bugs are out of it. Since mail servers are so critical to people's infrastructure, we work extremely hard to make a stable release with no issues that are going to bite you. We don't sacrifice stability for a quick release. Assuming everything is in good order (which to this point it appears to be), release will be middle of January. You can view the original post at http://forums.smartertools.com/forums/2/11125/ShowPost.aspx#11125
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3.0
FYI, SmarterMail is aware of this discussion thread and I know that they would want to be aware of any issues with technical support. Barry From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Beckstrom Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 12:02 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3.0 Guys, Why dont all of us who own smartermail send an email to smartertools asking them to launch a smartertools discussion list? It will take more than one person requesting it for them to set it up. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Graveen Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 7:51 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3.0 I've also posted question to their forum with little or no response (I didn't think the questions were that obscure). There definitely seems to be more experts in the IMail camp, or at least experts that are willing to share. As with new versions of IMail, I'll take the wait and see attitude with Smartermail 3.0 MIchael Graveen At 03:42 AM 12/21/2005, you wrote: The community support for SmarterMail is much smaller (or at least quieter). We are running one SM server for a client and Ive posted several questions on the SM support forums and have not received any responses at all. Similar posts to Imail or Declude discussion lists have always resulted in lots of replies with useful help. Obviously the products are different and the questions are different, but so far Im not impressed with the size/responsiveness of the community. Thats an important factor we will consider seriously before migrating any other servers from Imail to SM saving a few hundred dollars in license costs is insignificant if we cant get help one way or another as quickly. (Needless to say, the SM questions were on issues that SM tech support provided courteous but not helpful replies when first submitted privately as an email support case, so I was hoping for help from the community) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Evans Martin Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 10:48 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3.0 Its such a breath of fresh air having been in the IMail camp for the last several years. LOL! Evans Martin EVANS MARTIN [EMAIL PROTECTED] HOSTING: http://www.martek.net PROGRAMMING: http://www.martekware.com iPlus Info Browser IPBs IMail Migration Tool, password browser, reporting suite make IPlus Info Browser something no IMail administrator should be without. http://www.martek.net/Default.aspx?tabid=96 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Gary Steiner Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 6:48 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3.0 The following was posted today on SmarterTools web forums: Q: When will we expect to see v. 3? A: The release date depends on the results of final QA. The product is essentially done, just making sure that all the bugs are out of it. Since mail servers are so critical to people's infrastructure, we work extremely hard to make a stable release with no issues that are going to bite you. We don't sacrifice stability for a quick release. Assuming everything is in good order (which to this point it appears to be), release will be middle of January. You can view the original post at http://forums.smartertools.com/forums/2/11125/ShowPost.aspx#11125 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.3/209 - Release Date: 12/21/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.3/209 - Release Date: 12/21/2005
[Declude.JunkMail] Test idea
Is there any way, and if not is some one willing to come up with a way, of counting the number of characters in the body and if less than say 10 the penalize x and if less than say 25 then penalize y? John T eServices For You --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
[Declude.JunkMail] BCC in header
Since a BCC line from a legit client will never appear in the header, it makes sense then that we can filter on BCC: in the header and penalize a good amount, correct? John T eServices For You --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] BCC in header
I've definitely seen a BCC: header entry on legitimate mail, which is then blank. I think the big idea is that the sender MTA thought it was a good idea to let the receiver know that a BCC was used. Sorry, I can't remember the software or domain involved. I'd suggest at least creating a new JunkMail Pro filter with HEADERS 0 CONTAINS BCC: And then set a copyfile action and running that for a while to check for false positives before you decide to add weight. Andrew 8) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John T (Lists) Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 10:17 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] BCC in header Since a BCC line from a legit client will never appear in the header, it makes sense then that we can filter on BCC: in the header and penalize a good amount, correct? John T eServices For You --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] BCC in header
Seems like a good idea to me if you seeing many messages with BCCs in the headers. I can't recall ever seeing one on the messages I've inspected. -Dave Doherty Skywaves, Inc. - Original Message - From: John T (Lists) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 1:17 PM Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] BCC in header Since a BCC line from a legit client will never appear in the header, it makes sense then that we can filter on BCC: in the header and penalize a good amount, correct? John T eServices For You --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] BCC in header
Good idea. -d - Original Message - From: Colbeck, Andrew [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 1:35 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] BCC in header I've definitely seen a BCC: header entry on legitimate mail, which is then blank. I think the big idea is that the sender MTA thought it was a good idea to let the receiver know that a BCC was used. Sorry, I can't remember the software or domain involved. I'd suggest at least creating a new JunkMail Pro filter with HEADERS 0 CONTAINS BCC: And then set a copyfile action and running that for a while to check for false positives before you decide to add weight. Andrew 8) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John T (Lists) Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 10:17 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] BCC in header Since a BCC line from a legit client will never appear in the header, it makes sense then that we can filter on BCC: in the header and penalize a good amount, correct? John T eServices For You --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
[Declude.JunkMail] FW: Update: SmarterStats 3.1.2181 Released
-Original Message- Subject: Update: SmarterStats 3.1.2181 Released This email is to inform you that a new version of SmarterStats has been released. Version: 3.1.2181 Released: December 21, 2005 RELEASE NOTES ADDED: Several more spider/bot definitions were added ADDED: More advanced email report logging was enabled (make KB on -1, -10 log levels) FIXED: Resolved an uncommon issue with dynamic encoding for some search engines FIXED: Popup calendar was not working on some browsers FIXED: Overflow errors could occur when running reports on high-activity sites for large date ranges. FIXED: Username was case sensitive when logging in as global admin FIXED: When Rows per page in General Settings is set to 0, Manage Sites page threw an exception FIXED: Search engines that cannot be decoded were breaking layout elements FIXED: When email reports take more than a day to get through the list, weekly or monthly reports could have been skipped. FIXED: Denmark and Hungary now properly show up in the Europe report FIXED: A rare exception with email reports was resolved FIXED: DNS resolution sets taking more than 2 minutes as a whole will be aborted and the results returned as is --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] BCC in header
Party pooper. ;) Actually, I would have never thought of a reason for it to be in the header, since by nature it is not supposed to be known. I have seen it in spam though. John T eServices For You -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Colbeck, Andrew Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 10:36 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] BCC in header I've definitely seen a BCC: header entry on legitimate mail, which is then blank. I think the big idea is that the sender MTA thought it was a good idea to let the receiver know that a BCC was used. Sorry, I can't remember the software or domain involved. I'd suggest at least creating a new JunkMail Pro filter with HEADERS 0 CONTAINS BCC: And then set a copyfile action and running that for a while to check for false positives before you decide to add weight. Andrew 8) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John T (Lists) Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 10:17 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] BCC in header Since a BCC line from a legit client will never appear in the header, it makes sense then that we can filter on BCC: in the header and penalize a good amount, correct? John T eServices For You --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3.0
I feel the same way. I've answered several questions in their forums and tried to promote discussion where I was able.As for my own questions, I've always received answers, both from their support and from other users.I guess it depends on the nature of the forum and also a little bit of luck. When I've posted to the ASP.NET Forums (http://forums.asp.net) which is a very large community, on certain ones you get really great responses, and the next day you ask a question and all you hear are the sound of chirping crickets.Timing is a factor too. (I've seen this with Declude as well). Don't ask a question after 5 PM PST Friday as you will not see an answer (unless another user is able to help you). My mail server and I are working 7 days a week, but unfortunately SmarterTools and Declude support are only available M-F. Sometimes it is worth "bumping" your question by replying to it yourself or adding to your original question with more detail.Gary From: "Panda Consulting S.A. Luis Alberto Arango" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 9:08 AMTo: Declude.JunkMail@declude.comSubject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3.0 what questions do you have regarding smartermail? or what is your username in the forum to look for them. I try to be actively involved in the forum -that is my way to learn about smartermail- and I will be glad to try to help. regards -Luis ArangoFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael GraveenSent: Mircoles, 21 de Diciembre de 2005 08:51 a.m.To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.comSubject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3.0 I've also posted question to their forum with little or no response (I didn't think the questions were that obscure). There definitely seems to be more "experts" in the IMail camp, or at least experts that are willing to share.As with new versions of IMail, I'll take the "wait and see attitude" with Smartermail 3.0MIchael GraveenAt 03:42 AM 12/21/2005, you wrote: The community support for SmarterMail is much smaller (or at least quieter).We are running one SM server for a client and Ive posted several questions on the SM support forums and have not received any responses at all.Similar posts to Imail or Declude discussion lists have always resulted in lots of replies with useful help.Obviously the products are different and the questions are different, but so far Im not impressed with the size/responsiveness of the community. Thats an important factor we will consider seriously before migrating any other servers from Imail to SM saving a few hundred dollars in license costs is insignificant if we cant get help one way or another as quickly.(Needless to say, the SM questions were on issues that SM tech support provided courteous but not helpful replies when first submitted privately as an email support case, so I was hoping for help from the community) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Evans MartinSent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 10:48 PMTo: Declude.JunkMail@declude.comSubject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3.0Its such a breath of fresh air having been in the IMail camp for the last several years. LOL!Evans MartinEVANS MARTIN [EMAIL PROTECTED]HOSTING: http://www.martek.netPROGRAMMING: http://www.martekware.comiPlus Info Browser IPBs IMail Migration Tool, password browser, reporting suite make IPlus Info Browser something no IMail administrator should be without. http://www.martek.net/Default.aspx?tabid=96 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Gary SteinerSent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 6:48 PMTo: Declude.JunkMail@declude.comSubject: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3.0The following was posted today on SmarterTools web forums: Q: When will we expect to see v. 3? A: The release date depends on the results of final QA. The product is essentially done, just making sure that all the bugs are out of it. Since mail servers are so critical to people's infrastructure, we work extremely hard to make a stable release with no issues that are going to bite you. We don't sacrifice stability for a quick release. Assuming everything is in good order (which to this point it appears to be), release will be middle of January.You can view the original post at http://forums.smartertools.com/forums/2/11125/ShowPost.aspx#11125
[Declude.JunkMail] Decludeproc abend
I have had decludeproc 3.0.5.22 abend on me twice today. Is there anything I should be doing to capture information about this? I have automatic restart enabled so it starts again but I am not super happy with it abending. Any hints on what (if anything) I can/should be doing? Goran Jovanovic Omega Network Solutions
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Decludeproc abend
Is abend some kind of French word? ;) John T eServices For You -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Goran Jovanovic Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 1:13 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Decludeproc abend I have had decludeproc 3.0.5.22 abend on me twice today. Is there anything I should be doing to capture information about this? I have automatic restart enabled so it starts again but I am not super happy with it abending. Any hints on what (if anything) I can/should be doing? Goran Jovanovic Omega Network Solutions
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Decludeproc abend
"abend" in German means "evening". good Abend! :-) Markus From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John T (Lists)Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 10:23 PMTo: Declude.JunkMail@declude.comSubject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Decludeproc abend Is abend some kind of French word? ;) John T eServices For You -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Goran JovanovicSent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 1:13 PMTo: Declude.JunkMail@declude.comSubject: [Declude.JunkMail] Decludeproc abend I have had decludeproc 3.0.5.22 abend on me twice today. Is there anything I should be doing to capture information about this? I have automatic restart enabled so it starts again but I am not super happy with it abending. Any hints on what (if anything) I can/should be doing? Goran Jovanovic Omega Network Solutions
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] BCC in header
Or if you use an E-mail client that doesn't encode your mail stores, you can just open it up in a text reader and search for the occurrences. I did a cursory search and found that Hotmail can display this behavior, as well as MS SMTP (using something like CDO). It is also possible that other Microsoft E-mail clients can do this as well, but I only found one example and it wasn't clear whether or not it was inserted by the client or a forwarding mechanism. So appears safe as long as we all stop using Microsoft products :) Matt Colbeck, Andrew wrote: I've definitely seen a BCC: header entry on legitimate mail, which is then blank. I think the big idea is that the sender MTA thought it was a good idea to let the receiver know that a BCC was used. Sorry, I can't remember the software or domain involved. I'd suggest at least creating a new JunkMail Pro filter with HEADERS 0 CONTAINS BCC: And then set a copyfile action and running that for a while to check for false positives before you decide to add weight. Andrew 8) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of John T (Lists) Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 10:17 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] BCC in header Since a BCC line from a legit client will never appear in the header, it makes sense then that we can filter on BCC: in the header and penalize a good amount, correct? John T eServices For You --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Decludeproc abend
Abend is a common term used in the world of mainframes. Its the same as aborted or crashed. I first heard it in 1981 and used it many, many times over the years. I dont know where the term originated from. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Markus Gufler Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 3:30 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Decludeproc abend abend in German means evening. good Abend! :-) Markus From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John T (Lists) Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 10:23 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Decludeproc abend Is abend some kind of French word? ;) John T eServices For You -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Goran Jovanovic Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 1:13 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Decludeproc abend I have had decludeproc 3.0.5.22 abend on me twice today. Is there anything I should be doing to capture information about this? I have automatic restart enabled so it starts again but I am not super happy with it abending. Any hints on what (if anything) I can/should be doing? Goran Jovanovic Omega Network Solutions
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Decludeproc abend
It is an IBM mainframe term from long ago. ABnormal END Of course this is all very interesting but it does not answer my original questions L Goran Jovanovic Omega Network Solutions From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Beckstrom Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 4:36 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Decludeproc abend Abend is a common term used in the world of mainframes. Its the same as aborted or crashed. I first heard it in 1981 and used it many, many times over the years. I dont know where the term originated from. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Markus Gufler Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 3:30 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Decludeproc abend abend in German means evening. good Abend! :-) Markus From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John T (Lists) Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 10:23 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Decludeproc abend Is abend some kind of French word? ;) John T eServices For You -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Goran Jovanovic Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 1:13 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Decludeproc abend I have had decludeproc 3.0.5.22 abend on me twice today. Is there anything I should be doing to capture information about this? I have automatic restart enabled so it starts again but I am not super happy with it abending. Any hints on what (if anything) I can/should be doing? Goran Jovanovic Omega Network Solutions
[Declude.JunkMail] Upcoming work load
Any one else ramping up for a heavy work load? Starting tonight and going full force on Friday afternoon, I have major projects for Friday, Saturday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. Monday the 2nd is reserved for work on my servers. ;) Replace 1 SQL server Replace 1 RightFax server Rebuild/Upgrade 1 ISA Server 2004 Rebuild 1 DC/File/Print server Run BIOS/Driver/Firmware updates on 6 servers And that is for 3 different clients. John T eServices For You
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Decludeproc abend
Derived from 'ABnormal ENDing' George -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Beckstrom Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 4:36 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Decludeproc abend Abend is a common term used in the world of mainframes. It's the same as aborted or crashed. I first heard it in 1981 and used it many, many times over the years. I don't know where the term originated from. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Markus Gufler Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 3:30 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Decludeproc abend abend in German means evening. good Abend! :-) Markus From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John T (Lists) Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 10:23 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Decludeproc abend Is abend some kind of French word? ;) John T eServices For You -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Goran Jovanovic Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 1:13 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Decludeproc abend I have had decludeproc 3.0.5.22 abend on me twice today. Is there anything I should be doing to capture information about this? I have automatic restart enabled so it starts again but I am not super happy with it abending. Any hints on what (if anything) I can/should be doing? Goran Jovanovic Omega Network Solutions --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3.0
Barry, That's good to know, but I don't think it takes a genius to figure out what is at issue here. The difference is "push" vs. "pull". If you expect customers to help out in providing community support, you shouldn't expect as much success doing a message board because that requires pulling people to a site and then having them dig through posts. Pushing this information out through E-mail is effective because there are many more knowledgeable people that will monitor and check their E-mail from various discussions since it is easily accessible and all in one place. The dynamics of course change when the number of active users rise beyond what an E-mail discussion group can handle, and at that point you typically would find enough active members to keep a message board going. It is also worth mentioning that we are all E-mail administrators and E-mail discussion groups should be more appropriate for us than most any other group. If someone is looking for a best of both world's approach, then maybe investing some time and/or money into a real nice list archive to go along with the group would be beneficial. IMO, mail-archive.com is lacking a bit and it could have a friendlier interface for drilling down. Both IMail and Declude have their own message boards (if I'm not mistaken), but hardly any of us ever visit them. That also should be proof. Matt Barry Simpson wrote: FYI, SmarterMail is aware of this discussion thread and I know that they would want to be aware of any issues with technical support. Barry From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Dave Beckstrom Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 12:02 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3.0 Guys, Why don’t all of us who own smartermail send an email to smartertools asking them to launch a smartertools discussion list? It will take more than one person requesting it for them to set it up. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Michael Graveen Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 7:51 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3.0 I've also posted question to their forum with little or no response (I didn't think the questions were that obscure). There definitely seems to be more "experts" in the IMail camp, or at least experts that are willing to share. As with new versions of IMail, I'll take the "wait and see attitude" with Smartermail 3.0 MIchael Graveen At 03:42 AM 12/21/2005, you wrote: The “community” support for SmarterMail is much smaller (or at least quieter). We are running one SM server for a client and I’ve posted several questions on the SM support forums and have not received any responses at all. Similar posts to Imail or Declude discussion lists have always resulted in lots of replies with useful help. Obviously the products are different and the questions are different, but so far I’m not impressed with the size/responsiveness of the community. That’s an important factor we will consider seriously before migrating any other servers from Imail to SM – saving a few hundred dollars in license costs is insignificant if we can’t get help one way or another as quickly. (Needless to say, the SM questions were on issues that SM tech support provided courteous but not helpful replies when first submitted privately as an email support case, so I was hoping for help from the community) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Evans Martin Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 10:48 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3.0 It’s such a breath of fresh air having been in the IMail camp for the last several years. LOL! Evans Martin EVANS MARTIN [EMAIL PROTECTED] HOSTING: http://www.martek.net PROGRAMMING: http://www.martekware.com iPlus Info Browser – IPB’s IMail Migration Tool, password browser, reporting suite make IPlus Info Browser something no IMail administrator should be without. http://www.martek.net/Default.aspx?tabid=96 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Gary Steiner Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 6:48 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3.0 The following was posted today on SmarterTools web forums: Q: When will we expect to see v. 3? A: The release date depends on the results of final QA. The product is essentially done, just making sure that all the bugs are out of it. Since mail servers are so critical to people's infrastructure, we work extremely hard to make a stable release with no issues that are going to bite you. We don't sacrifice stability for a quick release. Assuming everything is in good order (which to this point it appears to be), release will be middle of
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Decludeproc abend
I always thought it was Absent By Enforced Net Deprivation - usually when someone hadn't posted in a while 'cause their modem died or their parents grounded them. It's been a long time since I heard that though. - greg Abend is a common term used in the world of mainframes. It's the same as aborted or crashed. I first heard it in 1981 and used it many, many times over the years. I don't know where the term originated from. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Markus Gufler Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 3:30 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Decludeproc abend abend in German means evening. good Abend! :-) Markus _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John T (Lists) Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 10:23 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Decludeproc abend Is abend some kind of French word? ;) John T eServices For You -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Goran Jovanovic Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 1:13 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Decludeproc abend I have had decludeproc 3.0.5.22 abend on me twice today. Is there anything I should be doing to capture information about this? I have automatic restart enabled so it starts again but I am not super happy with it abending. Any hints on what (if anything) I can/should be doing? Goran Jovanovic Omega Network Solutions --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Decludeproc abend
abend = crash. I remember when RAM was called core, too. Wednesday, December 21, 2005, 3:29:49 PM, Markus Gufler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MG MG MG abend in German means evening. MG MG MG MG good Abend! :-) MG MG Markus MG MG MG MG MG MG MG MG From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John T(Lists) MG Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 10:23 PM MG To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com MG Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail]Decludeproc abend MG MG MG MG Is abend some kindof French word? MG MG MG MG ;) MG MG MG MG MG JohnT MG MG eServices ForYou MG MG MG MG MG -OriginalMessage- MG From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of GoranJovanovic MG Sent: Wednesday, December 21,2005 1:13PM MG To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com MG Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Decludeprocabend MG MG MG MG I have haddecludeproc 3.0.5.22 abend on me twice today. Is MG there anything I should bedoing to capture information about MG this? I have automatic restart enabled soit starts again but I MG am not super happy with it abending. MG MG MG MG Any hints on what (ifanything) I can/should be doing? MG MG MG MG MG GoranJovanovic MG MG OmegaNetwork Solutions MG Don Brown - Dallas, Texas USA Internet Concepts, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.inetconcepts.net (972) 788-2364Fax: (972) 788-5049 --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Decludeproc abend
John T (Lists) wrote: Is abend some kind of French word? AbnormalEnding. - circa 1985 - coined with the introduction of Microsoft products. -Nicko ;) John T eServices For You -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Goran Jovanovic Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 1:13 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Decludeproc abend I have had decludeproc 3.0.5.22 abend on me twice today. Is there anything I should be doing to capture information about this? I have automatic restart enabled so it starts again but I am not super happy with it abending. Any hints on what (if anything) I can/should be doing? Goran Jovanovic Omega Network Solutions
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Upcoming work load
Hey John, And if your married - add in Get Divorced with that schedule. Darrell Check out http://www.invariantsystems.com for utilities for Declude And Imail. IMail/Declude Overflow Queue Monitoring, SURBL/URI integration, MRTG Integration, and Log Parsers. John T (Lists) writes: Any one else ramping up for a heavy work load? Starting tonight and going full force on Friday afternoon, I have major projects for Friday, Saturday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. Monday the 2nd is reserved for work on my servers. ;) Replace 1 SQL server Replace 1 RightFax server Rebuild/Upgrade 1 ISA Server 2004 Rebuild 1 DC/File/Print server Run BIOS/Driver/Firmware updates on 6 servers And that is for 3 different clients. John T eServices For You --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Decludeproc abend
And here I thought that everyone knew that termoh well I am dating myself Goran Jovanovic Omega Network Solutions -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 4:49 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Decludeproc abend I always thought it was Absent By Enforced Net Deprivation - usually when someone hadn't posted in a while 'cause their modem died or their parents grounded them. It's been a long time since I heard that though. - greg Abend is a common term used in the world of mainframes. It's the same as aborted or crashed. I first heard it in 1981 and used it many, many times over the years. I don't know where the term originated from. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Markus Gufler Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 3:30 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Decludeproc abend abend in German means evening. good Abend! :-) Markus _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John T (Lists) Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 10:23 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Decludeproc abend Is abend some kind of French word? ;) John T eServices For You -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Goran Jovanovic Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 1:13 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Decludeproc abend I have had decludeproc 3.0.5.22 abend on me twice today. Is there anything I should be doing to capture information about this? I have automatic restart enabled so it starts again but I am not super happy with it abending. Any hints on what (if anything) I can/should be doing? Goran Jovanovic Omega Network Solutions --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Decludeproc abend
I used to read CORE dumps and debug the operating system. I even wrote code for the operating system (I was a systems programmer) I don't think you're a real programmer if you don't read binary and assembly language!!! LOL!!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Don Brown Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 3:51 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Decludeproc abend abend = crash. I remember when RAM was called core, too. Wednesday, December 21, 2005, 3:29:49 PM, Markus Gufler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MG MG MG abend in German means evening. MG MG MG MG good Abend! :-) MG MG Markus MG MG MG MG MG MG MG MG From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John T (Lists) MG Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 10:23 PM MG To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com MG Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail]Decludeproc abend MG MG MG MG Is abend some kindof French word? MG MG MG MG ;) MG MG MG MG MG JohnT MG MG eServices ForYou MG MG MG MG MG -OriginalMessage- MG From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Goran Jovanovic MG Sent: Wednesday, December 21,2005 1:13PM MG To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com MG Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Decludeprocabend MG MG MG MG I have haddecludeproc 3.0.5.22 abend on me twice today. Is MG there anything I should bedoing to capture information about MG this? I have automatic restart enabled soit starts again but I MG am not super happy with it abending. MG MG MG MG Any hints on what (ifanything) I can/should be doing? MG MG MG MG MG GoranJovanovic MG MG OmegaNetwork Solutions MG Don Brown - Dallas, Texas USA Internet Concepts, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.inetconcepts.net (972) 788-2364Fax: (972) 788-5049 --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Decludeproc abend
I thought that went further back than that. I remember hearing it a lot from mainframe types prior to Windows 1.1early 80's... Darin. - Original Message - From: Nick Hayer To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 4:51 PM Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Decludeproc abend John T (Lists) wrote: Is abend some kind of French word?AbnormalEnding. - circa 1985 - coined with the introduction of Microsoft products.-Nicko ;) John T eServices For You -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Goran JovanovicSent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 1:13 PMTo: Declude.JunkMail@declude.comSubject: [Declude.JunkMail] Decludeproc abend I have had decludeproc 3.0.5.22 abend on me twice today. Is there anything I should be doing to capture information about this? I have automatic restart enabled so it starts again but I am not super happy with it abending. Any hints on what (if anything) I can/should be doing? Goran Jovanovic Omega Network Solutions
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Decludeproc abend
I guess not everyone has had the pleasure of waiting in line for hours for a printout (batch processing mainframes) to find just a few terse lines with ABEND error xx and no other clue as to why the job failed. That's why ABEND sticks in one's mind for many many years if you've had to deal with program crashes from mainframe days -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Goran Jovanovic Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 1:57 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Decludeproc abend And here I thought that everyone knew that termoh well I am dating myself Goran Jovanovic Omega Network Solutions -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 4:49 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Decludeproc abend I always thought it was Absent By Enforced Net Deprivation - usually when someone hadn't posted in a while 'cause their modem died or their parents grounded them. It's been a long time since I heard that though. - greg Abend is a common term used in the world of mainframes. It's the same as aborted or crashed. I first heard it in 1981 and used it many, many times over the years. I don't know where the term originated from. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Markus Gufler Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 3:30 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Decludeproc abend abend in German means evening. good Abend! :-) Markus _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John T (Lists) Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 10:23 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Decludeproc abend Is abend some kind of French word? ;) John T eServices For You -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Goran Jovanovic Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 1:13 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Decludeproc abend I have had decludeproc 3.0.5.22 abend on me twice today. Is there anything I should be doing to capture information about this? I have automatic restart enabled so it starts again but I am not super happy with it abending. Any hints on what (if anything) I can/should be doing? Goran Jovanovic Omega Network Solutions --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Upcoming work load
Glad to see that you at leastare takingChristmas offto rest. Best of luck to you on your installs and upgrades. Darin. - Original Message - From: John T (Lists) To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 4:44 PM Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Upcoming work load Any one else ramping up for a heavy work load? Starting tonight and going full force on Friday afternoon, I have major projects for Friday, Saturday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. Monday the 2nd is reserved for work on my servers. ;) Replace 1 SQL server Replace 1 RightFax server Rebuild/Upgrade 1 ISA Server 2004 Rebuild 1 DC/File/Print server Run BIOS/Driver/Firmware updates on 6 servers And that is for 3 different clients. John T eServices For You
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3.0
A couple of things: How to remove the mark as spam menu items in webmail since they are meaningless when using an external spam blocking preprocessor. The suggestion I got from support that in an unsupported manner I could edit the aspx files, seemed partly reasonable until I poked around and found that everything is codebehind with server controls and only the compiled dlls are distributed. Kinda impossible to modify a server control that way! (I understand why they wont publish source code, but they sent me down a false alley) Other issue is more wrappers around the webservice interface to make it more usable for non SOAP experts. I would like to have a commandline utility and some asp/aspx pages that provide a forms interface for adding domains, users, etc. Just some published code and some good examples would help. There is very little officially available and some of the stuff published in the forums doesnt work completely. Last issue was how to use dynamic content in the skins. We would like to change the logo based on the URL so we have have per-domain skins without creating hundreds of virtual sites and duplicating the webserver files to accomplish that by brute force. The whole skin thing is not well documented for changing anything non-trivial. The skin templates are *.htm files which somehow get pre-processed into aspx files but one cannot touch those aspx files easily. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Panda Consulting S.A. Luis Alberto Arango Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 6:06 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3.0 what questions do you have regarding smartermail? or what is your username in the forum to look for them. I try to be actively involved in the forum -that is my way to learn about smartermail- and I will be glad to try to help. regards -Luis Arango From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Graveen Sent: Miércoles, 21 de Diciembre de 2005 08:51 a.m. To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3.0 I've also posted question to their forum with little or no response (I didn't think the questions were that obscure). There definitely seems to be more experts in the IMail camp, or at least experts that are willing to share. As with new versions of IMail, I'll take the wait and see attitude with Smartermail 3.0 MIchael Graveen At 03:42 AM 12/21/2005, you wrote: The community support for SmarterMail is much smaller (or at least quieter). We are running one SM server for a client and Ive posted several questions on the SM support forums and have not received any responses at all. Similar posts to Imail or Declude discussion lists have always resulted in lots of replies with useful help. Obviously the products are different and the questions are different, but so far Im not impressed with the size/responsiveness of the community. Thats an important factor we will consider seriously before migrating any other servers from Imail to SM saving a few hundred dollars in license costs is insignificant if we cant get help one way or another as quickly. (Needless to say, the SM questions were on issues that SM tech support provided courteous but not helpful replies when first submitted privately as an email support case, so I was hoping for help from the community) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Evans Martin Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 10:48 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3.0 Its such a breath of fresh air having been in the IMail camp for the last several years. LOL! Evans Martin EVANS MARTIN [EMAIL PROTECTED] HOSTING: http://www.martek.net PROGRAMMING: http://www.martekware.com iPlus Info Browser IPBs IMail Migration Tool, password browser, reporting suite make IPlus Info Browser something no IMail administrator should be without. http://www.martek.net/Default.aspx?tabid=96 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Gary Steiner Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 6:48 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3.0 The following was posted today on SmarterTools web forums: Q: When will we expect to see v. 3? A: The release date depends on the results of final QA. The product is essentially done, just making sure that all the bugs are out of it. Since mail servers are so critical to people's infrastructure, we work extremely hard to make a stable release with no issues that are going to bite you. We don't sacrifice stability for a quick release. Assuming everything is in good order (which to this point it appears to be), release will be middle of January. You can view the original post at http://forums.smartertools.com/forums/2/11125/ShowPost.aspx#11125
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Decludeproc abend
Dave, do you have the same compulsion I do, that when you see a binary string in a movie or tv, you *have* to convert it to hex, octal or decimal to figure out if there's a joke there for you? Andrew 8) Andrew, No, I guess you must have it worse then I do! *chuckleBut I do laugh at a lot of the ridiculous stuff I see in the movies. There was one movie, I don't recall which, that had a scene with the StorageTek robotic tape drives in it. That was cool because I installed about six of them for a company years ago. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Decludeproc abend
I stick to playing records backwards so I can get direction from the devil :) Matt Colbeck, Andrew wrote: Dave, do you have the same compulsion I do, that when you see a binary string in a movie or tv, you *have* to convert it to hex, octal or decimal to figure out if there's a joke there for you? Andrew 8) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Dave Beckstrom Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 2:06 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Decludeproc abend I used to read CORE dumps and debug the operating system. I even wrote code for the operating system (I was a systems programmer) I don't think you're a real programmer if you don't read binary and assembly language!!! LOL!!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Don Brown Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 3:51 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Decludeproc abend abend = crash. I remember when RAM was called core, too. Wednesday, December 21, 2005, 3:29:49 PM, Markus Gufler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MG MG MG "abend" in German means "evening". MG MG MG MG good Abend! :-) MG MG Markus MG MG MG MG MG MG MG MG From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of John T (Lists) MG Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 10:23 PM MG To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com MG Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail]Decludeproc abend MG MG MG MG Is abend some kindof French word? MG MG MG MG ;) MG MG MG MG MG JohnT MG MG eServices ForYou MG MG MG MG MG -OriginalMessage- MG From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Goran Jovanovic MG Sent: Wednesday, December 21,2005 1:13PM MG To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com MG Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Decludeprocabend MG MG MG MG I have haddecludeproc 3.0.5.22 abend on me twice today. Is MG there anything I should bedoing to capture information about MG this? I have automatic restart enabled soit starts again but I MG am not super happy with it abending. MG MG MG MG Any hints on what (ifanything) I can/should be doing? MG MG MG MG MG GoranJovanovic MG MG OmegaNetwork Solutions MG Don Brown - Dallas, Texas USA Internet Concepts, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.inetconcepts.net (972) 788-2364Fax: (972) 788-5049 --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] Decludeproc abend
AbnormalEnding. - circa 1985 - coined with the introduction of Microsoft products. Unlikely -- in the post-mainframe world as I experienced it, ABENDs were to Novell NetWare as BSODs were to Microsoft products. Always had to shift terminology when dealing with Windows people (back before I was one of 'em). --Sandy Sanford Whiteman, Chief Technologist Broadleaf Systems, a division of Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc. e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SpamAssassin plugs into Declude! http://www.imprimia.com/products/software/freeutils/SPAMC32/download/release/ Defuse Dictionary Attacks: Turn Exchange or IMail mailboxes into IMail Aliases! http://www.imprimia.com/products/software/freeutils/exchange2aliases/download/release/ http://www.imprimia.com/products/software/freeutils/ldap2aliases/download/release/ --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3.0
I have started hosting a community supported SmarterMail list if anyone is interested in joining it. Send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with subscribe SmarterMail in the BODY of the message to subscribe. I hate using their online forum because it doesnt flow as well as a list does. The list is pretty low volume at the moment but questions are getting answered there. Evans Martin EVANS MARTIN [EMAIL PROTECTED] HOSTING: http://www.martek.net PROGRAMMING: http://www.martekware.com iPlus Info Browser IPBs IMail Migration Tool, password browser, reporting suite make IPlus Info Browser something no IMail administrator should be without. http://www.martek.net/Default.aspx?tabid=96 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert E. Spivack Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 3:42 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3.0 The community support for SmarterMail is much smaller (or at least quieter). We are running one SM server for a client and Ive posted several questions on the SM support forums and have not received any responses at all. Similar posts to Imail or Declude discussion lists have always resulted in lots of replies with useful help. Obviously the products are different and the questions are different, but so far Im not impressed with the size/responsiveness of the community. Thats an important factor we will consider seriously before migrating any other servers from Imail to SM saving a few hundred dollars in license costs is insignificant if we cant get help one way or another as quickly. (Needless to say, the SM questions were on issues that SM tech support provided courteous but not helpful replies when first submitted privately as an email support case, so I was hoping for help from the community) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Evans Martin Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 10:48 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3.0 Its such a breath of fresh air having been in the IMail camp for the last several years. LOL! Evans Martin EVANS MARTIN [EMAIL PROTECTED] HOSTING: http://www.martek.net PROGRAMMING: http://www.martekware.com iPlus Info Browser IPBs IMail Migration Tool, password browser, reporting suite make IPlus Info Browser something no IMail administrator should be without. http://www.martek.net/Default.aspx?tabid=96 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Steiner Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 6:48 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3.0 The following was posted today on SmarterTools web forums: Q: When will we expect to see v. 3? A: The release date depends on the results of final QA. The product is essentially done, just making sure that all the bugs are out of it. Since mail servers are so critical to people's infrastructure, we work extremely hard to make a stable release with no issues that are going to bite you. We don't sacrifice stability for a quick release. Assuming everything is in good order (which to this point it appears to be), release will be middle of January. You can view the original post at http://forums.smartertools.com/forums/2/11125/ShowPost.aspx#11125
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Decludeproc abend
Gees, I did not realize the path this would take. Yikes. BACK TO YOUR ORIGINAL QUESITONS! Check the C:\ root for any declude files that may be there. Are there any files in the error or repair directories? (spool\proc\error or spool\proc\repair) If so, compile all the log lines for those message from the various Declude logs. John T eServices For You -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Goran Jovanovic Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 1:45 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Decludeproc abend It is an IBM mainframe term from long ago. ABnormal END Of course this is all very interesting but it does not answer my original questions L Goran Jovanovic Omega Network Solutions From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Beckstrom Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 4:36 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Decludeproc abend Abend is a common term used in the world of mainframes. Its the same as aborted or crashed. I first heard it in 1981 and used it many, many times over the years. I dont know where the term originated from. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Markus Gufler Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 3:30 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Decludeproc abend abend in German means evening. good Abend! :-) Markus From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John T (Lists) Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 10:23 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Decludeproc abend Is abend some kind of French word? ;) John T eServices For You -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Goran Jovanovic Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 1:13 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Decludeproc abend I have had decludeproc 3.0.5.22 abend on me twice today. Is there anything I should be doing to capture information about this? I have automatic restart enabled so it starts again but I am not super happy with it abending. Any hints on what (if anything) I can/should be doing? Goran Jovanovic Omega Network Solutions
RE: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] Decludeproc abend
What Sandy said. In my experience, the infrastructure software never failed, the only ABENDs were from applications that our own programmers wrote. And yes, ABEND is still in my vocabulary. Andrew 8) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sanford Whiteman Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 4:26 PM To: Nick Hayer Subject: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] Decludeproc abend AbnormalEnding. - circa 1985 - coined with the introduction of Microsoft products. Unlikely -- in the post-mainframe world as I experienced it, ABENDs were to Novell NetWare as BSODs were to Microsoft products. Always had to shift terminology when dealing with Windows people (back before I was one of 'em). --Sandy Sanford Whiteman, Chief Technologist Broadleaf Systems, a division of Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc. e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SpamAssassin plugs into Declude! http://www.imprimia.com/products/software/freeutils/SPAMC32/download/rel ease/ Defuse Dictionary Attacks: Turn Exchange or IMail mailboxes into IMail Aliases! http://www.imprimia.com/products/software/freeutils/exchange2aliases/dow nload/release/ http://www.imprimia.com/products/software/freeutils/ldap2aliases/downloa d/release/ --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Upcoming work load
It is a Sunday like all the rest, reserved in advanced by an authority far higher than me. John T eServices For You -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darin Cox Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 2:12 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Upcoming work load Glad to see that you at leastare takingChristmas offto rest. Best of luck to you on your installs and upgrades. Darin. - Original Message - From: John T (Lists) To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 4:44 PM Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Upcoming work load Any one else ramping up for a heavy work load? Starting tonight and going full force on Friday afternoon, I have major projects for Friday, Saturday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. Monday the 2nd is reserved for work on my servers. ;) Replace 1 SQL server Replace 1 RightFax server Rebuild/Upgrade 1 ISA Server 2004 Rebuild 1 DC/File/Print server Run BIOS/Driver/Firmware updates on 6 servers And that is for 3 different clients. John T eServices For You
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Upcoming work load
Nah, she likes the pay check too much. What little there is after all the necessities. John T eServices For You -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 1:53 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Upcoming work load Hey John, And if your married - add in Get Divorced with that schedule. Darrell Check out http://www.invariantsystems.com for utilities for Declude And Imail. IMail/Declude Overflow Queue Monitoring, SURBL/URI integration, MRTG Integration, and Log Parsers. John T (Lists) writes: Any one else ramping up for a heavy work load? Starting tonight and going full force on Friday afternoon, I have major projects for Friday, Saturday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. Monday the 2nd is reserved for work on my servers. ;) Replace 1 SQL server Replace 1 RightFax server Rebuild/Upgrade 1 ISA Server 2004 Rebuild 1 DC/File/Print server Run BIOS/Driver/Firmware updates on 6 servers And that is for 3 different clients. John T eServices For You --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Decludeproc abend
While I would like to think that makes me feel younger, I am actually still a green horn of sorts in networking having only been in the field now for just 5 years. But I do remember playing with a Tandy 1000 and MS DOS 3.11 and later MS DOS 5.0 and DOSSHELL, although I was never able to figure out how to use MS DOSSHELL. John T eServices For You -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Goran Jovanovic Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 1:57 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Decludeproc abend And here I thought that everyone knew that termoh well I am dating myself Goran Jovanovic Omega Network Solutions -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 4:49 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Decludeproc abend I always thought it was Absent By Enforced Net Deprivation - usually when someone hadn't posted in a while 'cause their modem died or their parents grounded them. It's been a long time since I heard that though. - greg Abend is a common term used in the world of mainframes. It's the same as aborted or crashed. I first heard it in 1981 and used it many, many times over the years. I don't know where the term originated from. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Markus Gufler Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 3:30 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Decludeproc abend abend in German means evening. good Abend! :-) Markus _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John T (Lists) Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 10:23 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Decludeproc abend Is abend some kind of French word? ;) John T eServices For You -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Goran Jovanovic Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 1:13 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Decludeproc abend I have had decludeproc 3.0.5.22 abend on me twice today. Is there anything I should be doing to capture information about this? I have automatic restart enabled so it starts again but I am not super happy with it abending. Any hints on what (if anything) I can/should be doing? Goran Jovanovic Omega Network Solutions --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Decludeproc abend
Title: Message Ha - long before Gates started college, therewas a company called International Business Machines. And you had to program sorter/merger machinesto get your punch cards in the proper order for the revolutionarybrand-new /370s - because disk sorting was not yet available, even though at least the operating system was finally a "D"os. Instead of a "G"UI you had a teletype. And Windows were something you put in walls to look through. Yet, programs were "abending" already. I'm frequently amused about "new" concepts thatare beingintroduced into desktop/server architecture from time to time - often thinking, "been there - done that, butmore than 20 years ago". Best RegardsAndy SchmidtPhone: +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business)Fax: +1 201 934-9206 -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nick HayerSent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 04:51 PMTo: Declude.JunkMail@declude.comSubject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Decludeproc abendJohn T (Lists) wrote: Is abend some kind of French word?AbnormalEnding. - circa 1985 - coined with the introduction of Microsoft products.-Nicko ;) John T eServices For You -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Goran JovanovicSent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 1:13 PMTo: Declude.JunkMail@declude.comSubject: [Declude.JunkMail] Decludeproc abend I have had decludeproc 3.0.5.22 abend on me twice today. Is there anything I should be doing to capture information about this? I have automatic restart enabled so it starts again but I am not super happy with it abending. Any hints on what (if anything) I can/should be doing? Goran Jovanovic Omega Network Solutions
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Decludeproc abend
Title: Message What, you had a teletype instead of keypunch? Bah, kids today. When I was a boy, we had to walk uphill in the snow both ways just to submit our punchcards for overnight processing. And we liked it. Andrew 8) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy SchmidtSent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 8:44 PMTo: Declude.JunkMail@declude.comSubject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Decludeproc abend Ha - long before Gates started college, therewas a company called International Business Machines. And you had to program sorter/merger machinesto get your punch cards in the proper order for the revolutionarybrand-new /370s - because disk sorting was not yet available, even though at least the operating system was finally a "D"os. Instead of a "G"UI you had a teletype. And Windows were something you put in walls to look through. Yet, programs were "abending" already. I'm frequently amused about "new" concepts thatare beingintroduced into desktop/server architecture from time to time - often thinking, "been there - done that, butmore than 20 years ago". Best RegardsAndy SchmidtPhone: +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business)Fax: +1 201 934-9206 -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nick HayerSent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 04:51 PMTo: Declude.JunkMail@declude.comSubject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Decludeproc abendJohn T (Lists) wrote: Is abend some kind of French word?AbnormalEnding. - circa 1985 - coined with the introduction of Microsoft products.-Nicko ;) John T eServices For You -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Goran JovanovicSent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 1:13 PMTo: Declude.JunkMail@declude.comSubject: [Declude.JunkMail] Decludeproc abend I have had decludeproc 3.0.5.22 abend on me twice today. Is there anything I should be doing to capture information about this? I have automatic restart enabled so it starts again but I am not super happy with it abending. Any hints on what (if anything) I can/should be doing? Goran Jovanovic Omega Network Solutions
