RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Admin Web for Declude
> The "control panel for dummies" approach of Postini now lets > us defer the tweaks back to the user. Too much spam getting > through? Well, sir, please log in to your "Message Center" > (Postini lingo for web control panel) and crank up your settings. That's what we do for our customers and that's what we call service and that's the reason our customers are choosing us. ;-) > Important email not getting through? Just log in and with an > easy-to-use Web GUI adjust your "allowed" or "disallowed" lists. In the last months we set up a declude weighting system where messages we consider 200% spam are hold. The range between 100% and 199% was amrked in the subject line with [SPAM low] [SPAM mid] [SPAM high] or was hold on the server and each recipient who has received also legit messages in this timerange received one notify message with a link to a web frontend where he can logon and review his hold messages. (just a list of mailfrom and subjectline, the user can click on the message to requeue it or click on a "clear"-button at the end of the list) In addition the user can choose if he don't want receiving further notification, if he don't want spam- or virusfiltering and he can also choose his own "spam-filter-risk"-level. By choosing one of this levels his recipient address was added to a filter file. Instead of changing the hold level for this user we've added or substracted some points from the final weight of each of his messages. The user had not must understand this just click on some check- or dropdown-boxes and what should I say: We've dropped the entire "webfrontend"-part as it turned out, that A.) several people after the first login can't remember the password they've choosen some hours ago B.) most people don't understand absolutely nothing about how mail filering works and they also don't want understand it. They have already enough problems with their own work. C.) We've watched what people has done after logging on and have seen: Most people after the first logon have requeued some messages. After one week most people have choosen to not receive notifies anymore. D.) The option to choose different risk-levels has caused way more requests to our support then all requests for false positive holds before. Now we mark the subject line for messages between 100 and 200% of what we consider spam and let the user choose what he want to do with this messages by explaining him trough websites the message processing rules in his client software. Markus --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Admin Web for Declude
Sort Monster is working on an auto-tuning progmram MDLP (Modular Declude Log Processor) that could be used to reweight tests. It's still in beta. - Original Message - From: "Jeff Kratka" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 5:19 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Admin Web for Declude That's what I thought. Sandy, are you still here? Jeff Kratka TymeWyse Internet P.O.Box 84 - 110 Ecklund St., Canyonville, OR 97417 tel: (541) 839-6027 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John Tolmachoff (Lists) Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 2:58 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Admin Web for Declude AH, User configurable actions is different. I know at one time at least Sandy had either a Demo or production running for a client. John T eServices For You -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Kratka Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 2:38 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Admin Web for Declude Mostly what I remember from some time ago was something to let the end user modify their settings. Sorry "Admin Web" was the incorrect wording. Jeff Kratka TymeWyse Internet P.O.Box 84 - 110 Ecklund St., Canyonville, OR 97417 tel: (541) 839-6027 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Markus Gufler Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 2:26 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Admin Web for Declude > Quite some time ago, there was mention about an Admin Web > for Declude, is this available or does anyone have something to share? Declude is so flexible and can do so much different things that it would be nearly impossible to write a "click&play"-frontend. There was already a discussion. The question is: Do you want as much a possible functions to manage your email traffic with the drawback that you must know exactly what you need and what you're doing or do you want some less functions but this as easy as installing windows? Also what do you mean by "admin web"? Something that will write your configuration file and prevent wrong settings from your side (what's "wrong"?) or do you need something to let end-users choose different settings for their own mailbox? Markus --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Admin Web for Declude
It's called "Postini Message Center" :-) Seriously, the lack of user "self-service" for adjusting settings and the lack of more automatic "set-it and forget it" system level options (along with wanting to be completely freed from Imail or any replacement MTA engine) has finally shifted the balance for us and we just completed migrating from Imail/Declude to Postini as our anti-virus and spam blocking system. Declude (especially Scott) has been great over the past few years, but I guess just as Scott outgrew running a one-man show, we have finally outgrown Declude. Obviously, everyone's experiences and needs are different, but I've grown tired of the repeated cycle of spam or virus outbreak, complaints from clients about too much stuff getting through, hours of tweaking/testing, then complaints from clients about important stuff being blocked. The "control panel for dummies" approach of Postini now lets us defer the tweaks back to the user. Too much spam getting through? Well, sir, please log in to your "Message Center" (Postini lingo for web control panel) and crank up your settings. Important email not getting through? Just log in and with an easy-to-use Web GUI adjust your "allowed" or "disallowed" lists. The downside? Postini has a cost-per-mailbox monthly service fee rather than an annual software license fee. However, for us, when took off my techie hat and put on my businessman's one, I looked at the 35,000 foot view and how we can had been scaling out with multiple mail servers to handle the incoming load; starting to deploy yet additional front-end servers to offload anti-virus scanning and spam filtering so the performance doesn't impact the pop/imap Imail engine; and all the license agreements/maintenance fees I realized we could immediately "retire" several servers along with the Declude and Imail annual licenses/maintenance agreements. Not to mention my own time, which I value highly, of many hours a week tweaking rules and adjusting the server functions or manually clearing thousands of spam or virus spool files on the server that got through in the early stages of a new attack. For us, because we do charge our clients a per-mailbox fee for spam blocking anyway, the pricing of Postini was not the "big gulp" it might be for some of you offering everything for free to your clients. Besides the lack of end-user gui and simplified rules tweaks (essentially now we let Postini adjust all the rules on their end based on their processing of over 6 billion emails a month from all their clients - they certainly get to "see" what is out there), the "straw that broke the camel's back for us" was the Rube Goldberg scripting we were starting to implement using Sandy's wonderfull stuff because as soon as one deploy's IMail in store and forward mode (to get the distributed scale-out, offloading, etc.) then you are exposed to dictionary attacks, "nobody" catch-all floods, etc. Sandy's scripts are great, but we stepped back and said do we really want all this complexity and spend so much of our operational focus just on "keeping the mail flowing" while relying on a few vb scripts to keep everything running? A great upside to Postini is that we automatically get multiple MX front-end redundancy and emergency spooling (optional add-on service) that will hold our mail should our servers be down briefly. With the simplified hub-and-spoke scaleout (multiple email servers being fed by Postini's own redundant clusters) our configuration is much simpler yet still distributed and expandable while some of our licensing fees are actually greatly reduced. Please understand this is not meant as a complaint or "rant" - I'd like to thank the Declude community and company for their great product and support over the past few years but we've had to move on. And the best part? Our customer service complaints about spam or email problems have gone down to almost zero - our clients like us again! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Kratka Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 2:06 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Admin Web for Declude Hello, Quite some time ago, there was mention about an Admin Web for Declude, is this available or does anyone have something to share? Thank You. Jeff Kratka TymeWyse Internet P.O.Box 84 - 110 Ecklund St., Canyonville, OR 97417 tel: (541) 839-6027 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.c
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Admin Web for Declude
That's what I thought. Sandy, are you still here? Jeff Kratka TymeWyse Internet P.O.Box 84 - 110 Ecklund St., Canyonville, OR 97417 tel: (541) 839-6027 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John Tolmachoff (Lists) Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 2:58 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Admin Web for Declude AH, User configurable actions is different. I know at one time at least Sandy had either a Demo or production running for a client. John T eServices For You > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Kratka > Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 2:38 PM > To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com > Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Admin Web for Declude > > Mostly what I remember from some time ago was something to let the end user > modify their settings. Sorry "Admin Web" was the incorrect wording. > > Jeff Kratka > > TymeWyse Internet > P.O.Box 84 - 110 Ecklund St., Canyonville, OR 97417 > tel: (541) 839-6027 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Markus Gufler > Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 2:26 PM > To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com > Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Admin Web for Declude > > > > > Quite some time ago, there was mention about an Admin Web > > for Declude, is this available or does anyone have something to share? > > Declude is so flexible and can do so much different things that it would be > nearly impossible to write a "click&play"-frontend. There was already a > discussion. The question is: Do you want as much a possible functions to > manage your email traffic with the drawback that you must know exactly what > you need and what you're doing or do you want some less functions but this > as easy as installing windows? > > Also what do you mean by "admin web"? Something that will write your > configuration file and prevent wrong settings from your side (what's > "wrong"?) or do you need something to let end-users choose different > settings for their own mailbox? > > Markus > > --- > This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To > unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and > type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found > at http://www.mail-archive.com. > > --- > This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To > unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and > type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found > at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Admin Web for Declude
AH, User configurable actions is different. I know at one time at least Sandy had either a Demo or production running for a client. John T eServices For You > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Kratka > Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 2:38 PM > To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com > Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Admin Web for Declude > > Mostly what I remember from some time ago was something to let the end user > modify their settings. Sorry "Admin Web" was the incorrect wording. > > Jeff Kratka > > TymeWyse Internet > P.O.Box 84 - 110 Ecklund St., Canyonville, OR 97417 > tel: (541) 839-6027 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Markus Gufler > Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 2:26 PM > To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com > Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Admin Web for Declude > > > > > Quite some time ago, there was mention about an Admin Web > > for Declude, is this available or does anyone have something to share? > > Declude is so flexible and can do so much different things that it would be > nearly impossible to write a "click&play"-frontend. There was already a > discussion. The question is: Do you want as much a possible functions to > manage your email traffic with the drawback that you must know exactly what > you need and what you're doing or do you want some less functions but this > as easy as installing windows? > > Also what do you mean by "admin web"? Something that will write your > configuration file and prevent wrong settings from your side (what's > "wrong"?) or do you need something to let end-users choose different > settings for their own mailbox? > > Markus > > --- > This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To > unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and > type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found > at http://www.mail-archive.com. > > --- > This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To > unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and > type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found > at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Admin Web for Declude
Mostly what I remember from some time ago was something to let the end user modify their settings. Sorry "Admin Web" was the incorrect wording. Jeff Kratka TymeWyse Internet P.O.Box 84 - 110 Ecklund St., Canyonville, OR 97417 tel: (541) 839-6027 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Markus Gufler Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 2:26 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Admin Web for Declude > Quite some time ago, there was mention about an Admin Web > for Declude, is this available or does anyone have something to share? Declude is so flexible and can do so much different things that it would be nearly impossible to write a "click&play"-frontend. There was already a discussion. The question is: Do you want as much a possible functions to manage your email traffic with the drawback that you must know exactly what you need and what you're doing or do you want some less functions but this as easy as installing windows? Also what do you mean by "admin web"? Something that will write your configuration file and prevent wrong settings from your side (what's "wrong"?) or do you need something to let end-users choose different settings for their own mailbox? Markus --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Admin Web for Declude
> Quite some time ago, there was mention about an Admin Web > for Declude, is this available or does anyone have something to share? Declude is so flexible and can do so much different things that it would be nearly impossible to write a "click&play"-frontend. There was already a discussion. The question is: Do you want as much a possible functions to manage your email traffic with the drawback that you must know exactly what you need and what you're doing or do you want some less functions but this as easy as installing windows? Also what do you mean by "admin web"? Something that will write your configuration file and prevent wrong settings from your side (what's "wrong"?) or do you need something to let end-users choose different settings for their own mailbox? Markus --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Admin Web for Declude
In case Declude is not able to respond right now, the 2-3 projects that were either in development or ready to go to development in the last couple of years did not get very far AFAIK. At this time, Declude is not working on one AFAIK. John T eServices For You > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Kratka > Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 2:06 PM > To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com > Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Admin Web for Declude > > Hello, > > Quite some time ago, there was mention about an Admin Web for Declude, is > this available or does anyone have something to share? > > Thank You. > > Jeff Kratka > > TymeWyse Internet > P.O.Box 84 - 110 Ecklund St., Canyonville, OR 97417 > tel: (541) 839-6027 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > --- > This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To > unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and > type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found > at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] "Admin Web for Declude"
Title: Nachricht We're interested. The ini-file you should have already. Today we've seen some problem on SpamChk with negtive error-codes with the latest releases (g, h, i and j) Means: SpamChk does not report negative return codes in this versions. Markus -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of John TolmachoffSent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 8:30 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] "Admin Web for Declude" Do to 2 hardware failures and the fact I am swamped with work, we are behind on the beta. It will be available soon. Also, we are going to start working on support for external tests through the interface. If you would like your program configuration included in this, please let me know. John Tolmachoff MCSE, CSSA IT Manager, Network Engineer RelianceSoft, Inc. Fullerton, CA 92835 www.reliancesoft.com
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] "Admin Web for Declude"
Do to 2 hardware failures and the fact I am swamped with work, we are behind on the beta. It will be available soon. Also, we are going to start working on support for external tests through the interface. If you would like your program configuration included in this, please let me know. John Tolmachoff MCSE, CSSA IT Manager, Network Engineer RelianceSoft, Inc. Fullerton, CA 92835 www.reliancesoft.com
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] "Admin Web for Declude"
In response to some of the questions and comments I have received: We will be extending this for external tests as we get to them. This is because each external test is an individual program, and we will need to work with the creator of that program to develop the appropriate web pages. While the beta will be available to Declude users for no charge, the final product will be purchased. Prices have not yet been established, but will not be too expensive. This does run on IIS, so it will need to be installed. However, as IIS allows for the site directory to be on a shared network resource, it does not have to be on the same server as the actual mail server. Please let me know if you have any questions, comments or suggestions. John Tolmachoff MCSE, CSSA IT Manager, Network Engineer RelianceSoft, Inc. Fullerton, CA 92835 www.reliancesoft.com
