Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Bounce strategies?
Don't bounce from your postmaster acct. That is just bad. Rather create filters so that you delete the return bounce messages. Just my $0.02 Monday, May 20, 2002, 12:31:55 PM, you wrote: MR I just switched from DELETE to BOUNCE on my weight13 test. I originally MR set to DELETE, but wanted more of a safety factor in there, so went to MR bounce. MR Of course the inbox associated with the bounce msgs is loaded with MR bounced bounce messages. Is it safe for me to do something like set MR that acct to 1-byte capacaity, or a 1-message limit? Will other MR postmasters bounce up and down when the bounced bounce bounces back to MR them? Any advice would be appreciated. MR Cheers, MR --Matt-- MR --- MR [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] MR --- MR This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To MR unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and MR type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. You can E-mail MR [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our web MR site at http://www.declude.com . MR --- MR [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Best regards, Eje Gustafsson mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- The Family Entertainment Network http://www.fament.com Phone : 620-231- Fax : 620-231-4066 eBay UserID : macahan - Your Full Time Professionals - --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our web site at http://www.declude.com .
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Bounce strategies?
Yah, I got that part. I created an acct called ''spammaster'' and am sending bounce msgs from it. Using filters is a good idea. Nice and transparent. Anybody have ideas on how to handle the myriad of incoming msgs without a corresponding number of filters? I've never really used them. --Matt-- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Eje Gustafsson Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 10:38 AM To: Matt Robertson Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Bounce strategies? Don't bounce from your postmaster acct. That is just bad. Rather create filters so that you delete the return bounce messages. Just my $0.02 Monday, May 20, 2002, 12:31:55 PM, you wrote: MR I just switched from DELETE to BOUNCE on my weight13 test. I MR originally set to DELETE, but wanted more of a safety factor in MR there, so went to bounce. MR Of course the inbox associated with the bounce msgs is loaded with MR bounced bounce messages. Is it safe for me to do something like set MR that acct to 1-byte capacaity, or a 1-message limit? Will other MR postmasters bounce up and down when the bounced bounce bounces back MR to them? Any advice would be appreciated. MR Cheers, MR --Matt-- MR --- MR [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus MR (http://www.declude.com)] MR --- MR This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To MR unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type MR unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] MR for assistance. You can visit our web site at MR http://www.declude.com . MR --- MR [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Best regards, Eje Gustafsson mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- The Family Entertainment Network http://www.fament.com Phone : 620-231- Fax : 620-231-4066 eBay UserID : macahan - Your Full Time Professionals - --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our web site at http://www.declude.com . --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our web site at http://www.declude.com .
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Bounce strategies?
I don't like the idea of bouncing or deleting any messages. I don't want to take that responsibility, and potentially zap a message that a user wants. I've set up a local blacklist (based on the spams I've received that didn't fail any tests), a local whitelist, and I've adjusted the individual pre-defined test weights a little, and am testing a configuration that ATTACHes spam that hits a weight of 10, 14, or 20. I've had a few non-spams get a weight of 10, but 14 and 20 are pretty on-target thus far. If the users want to set up filters to delete messages, that's *their* choice. My problem at the moment is figuring out how to explain to a rather unsophisticated user base how to set up their own client or WebMail filters to make use of the whole thing, if they do want to delete anything or move tagged messages to their own holding folder for later review. Glenn Z. - Original Message - From: Matt Robertson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 12:48 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Bounce strategies? Yah, I got that part. I created an acct called ''spammaster'' and amsending bounce msgs from it.Using filters is a good idea. Nice and transparent. Anybody have ideason how to handle the myriad of incoming msgs without a correspondingnumber of filters? I've never really used them.--Matt---Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Eje GustafssonSent: Monday, May 20, 2002 10:38 AMTo: Matt RobertsonSubject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Bounce strategies?Don't bounce from your postmaster acct. That is just bad. Rather createfilters so that you delete the return bounce messages. Just my $0.02Monday, May 20, 2002, 12:31:55 PM, you wrote:MR I just switched from DELETE to BOUNCE on my weight13 test. I MR originally set to DELETE, but wanted more of a safety factor in MR there, so went to bounce.MR Of course the inbox associated with the bounce msgs is loaded with MR bounced bounce messages. Is it safe for me to do something like setMR that acct to 1-byte capacaity, or a 1-message limit? Will other MR postmasters bounce up and down when the bounced bounce bounces back MR to them? Any advice would be appreciated.MR Cheers,MR --Matt--MR ---MR [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus MR (http://www.declude.com)]MR ---MR This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To MR unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type MR "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]MR for assistance. You can visit our web site at MR http://www.declude.com .MR ---MR [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus]Best regards,Eje Gustafsson mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]---The Family Entertainment Network http://www.fament.comPhone : 620-231- Fax : 620-231-4066eBay UserID : macahan - Your Full Time Professionals [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus]---[This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus(http://www.declude.com)]---This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. Tounsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type"unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] forassistance. You can visit our web site at http://www.declude.com .---[This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)]---This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. Tounsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], andtype "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". You can E-mail[EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our website at http://www.declude.com .
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Bounce strategies?
My problem at the moment is figuring out how to explain to a rather unsophisticated user base how to set up their own client or WebMail filters to make use of the whole thing, if they do want to delete anything or move tagged messages to their own holding folder for later review. What is really sad is that there has been a de-facto standard for identifying spam for many years now (the X-RBL-Warning: header), yet I'm not aware of a single mail client that detects it. -Scott --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our web site at http://www.declude.com .
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Bounce strategies?
Glenn Z. wrote My problem at the moment is figuring out how to explain to a rather unsophisticated user base how to set up their own client or WebMail filters Yes, I gave up on that as well. The way I approached it, I asked the user base via a mass email for yea/nay opinions on implementing a spam filter (*everyone* said yes), then later for permission to look at held messages, then once my filters were in order (2 weeks) announced the initiation of DELETE. No complaints, and only three instances since of real mail getting sandbagged (I store my Declude logs forever, set to MID). --Matt-- --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our web site at http://www.declude.com .
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Bounce strategies?
To solve that problem and postmaster bounces to bad addresses (spammers sending to full or non-existing mailboxes) I wrote a script that scans the spool for the bounce messages and removes them from queue after 3 failed delivery attempts, my default is 24 attempts. This virtually eliminated SMTP32 lockup since my queue no longer bloats with undeliverable mail. I went from a low of approximately 800 messages in queue to 100 - 200 at nearly any given time. The 800 was actually normal before using bounce. I did notice before I used the script, that if the declude bounce fails, a postmaster bounce is generated, compounding the clutter. One last note, I started using bounce right after both it and weighting were available, and only have had two complaints about wrongfully bounced mail, I use a weight of 20 to bounce, with some tweaking to the weights, though. Chuck Frolick ArgoNet, Inc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Matt Robertson Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 12:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Bounce strategies? I just switched from DELETE to BOUNCE on my weight13 test. I originally set to DELETE, but wanted more of a safety factor in there, so went to bounce. Of course the inbox associated with the bounce msgs is loaded with bounced bounce messages. Is it safe for me to do something like set that acct to 1-byte capacaity, or a 1-message limit? Will other postmasters bounce up and down when the bounced bounce bounces back to them? Any advice would be appreciated. Cheers, --Matt-- --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our web site at http://www.declude.com . --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our web site at http://www.declude.com .
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Bounce strategies?
Can I get some details: Your script checks each message in the outbound queue and if the message is a bounce message (sender = ???) and has been attempted 3 times, you delete the message (Q and D files). Also, how do you schedule it? Can I get a copy of this script? Todd -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Charles Frolick Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 3:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Bounce strategies? To solve that problem and postmaster bounces to bad addresses (spammers sending to full or non-existing mailboxes) I wrote a script that scans the spool for the bounce messages and removes them from queue after 3 failed delivery attempts, my default is 24 attempts. This virtually eliminated SMTP32 lockup since my queue no longer bloats with undeliverable mail. I went from a low of approximately 800 messages in queue to 100 - 200 at nearly any given time. The 800 was actually normal before using bounce. I did notice before I used the script, that if the declude bounce fails, a postmaster bounce is generated, compounding the clutter. One last note, I started using bounce right after both it and weighting were available, and only have had two complaints about wrongfully bounced mail, I use a weight of 20 to bounce, with some tweaking to the weights, though. Chuck Frolick ArgoNet, Inc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Matt Robertson Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 12:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Bounce strategies? I just switched from DELETE to BOUNCE on my weight13 test. I originally set to DELETE, but wanted more of a safety factor in there, so went to bounce. Of course the inbox associated with the bounce msgs is loaded with bounced bounce messages. Is it safe for me to do something like set that acct to 1-byte capacaity, or a 1-message limit? Will other postmasters bounce up and down when the bounced bounce bounces back to them? Any advice would be appreciated. Cheers, --Matt-- --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our web site at http://www.declude.com . --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our web site at http://www.declude.com . --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our web site at http://www.declude.com .
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Bounce strategies?
Chuck, I would be interested in seeing your script, as well. Anyway help in keeping the queue cleaned in an automated fashion works for me. Thanks, Bill -Original Message- From: Todd Holt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 1:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Bounce strategies? Can I get some details: Your script checks each message in the outbound queue and if the message is a bounce message (sender = ???) and has been attempted 3 times, you delete the message (Q and D files). Also, how do you schedule it? Can I get a copy of this script? Todd -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Charles Frolick Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 3:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Bounce strategies? To solve that problem and postmaster bounces to bad addresses (spammers sending to full or non-existing mailboxes) I wrote a script that scans the spool for the bounce messages and removes them from queue after 3 failed delivery attempts, my default is 24 attempts. This virtually eliminated SMTP32 lockup since my queue no longer bloats with undeliverable mail. I went from a low of approximately 800 messages in queue to 100 - 200 at nearly any given time. The 800 was actually normal before using bounce. I did notice before I used the script, that if the declude bounce fails, a postmaster bounce is generated, compounding the clutter. One last note, I started using bounce right after both it and weighting were available, and only have had two complaints about wrongfully bounced mail, I use a weight of 20 to bounce, with some tweaking to the weights, though. Chuck Frolick ArgoNet, Inc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Matt Robertson Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 12:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Bounce strategies? I just switched from DELETE to BOUNCE on my weight13 test. I originally set to DELETE, but wanted more of a safety factor in there, so went to bounce. Of course the inbox associated with the bounce msgs is loaded with bounced bounce messages. Is it safe for me to do something like set that acct to 1-byte capacaity, or a 1-message limit? Will other postmasters bounce up and down when the bounced bounce bounces back to them? Any advice would be appreciated. Cheers, --Matt-- --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our web site at http://www.declude.com . --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our web site at http://www.declude.com . --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our web site at http://www.declude.com . --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. You can E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. You can visit our web site at http://www.declude.com .
