RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Ebay and Spamdomians
In my experience, for HOTMAIL.COM in particular I've never seen a message sent through a non-Hotmail server. I think you might have a configuration problem if you are seeing tons of legitimate e-mail from non Hotmail servers. Especially since it's a web-based e-mail client I wouldn't think they could use anything but Microsoft owned, e.g. hotmail.com, msn.com, servers. I'm glad I posted on this as I am realizing that I am not understanding exactly what is going on. When I had the spamdomains test set at 2/3s of the hold weight, I would find 4 or 5 legitimate messages a day held, with spamdomains putting each message over the top. A quick look in my logs shows that 4 or 5 messages a day is a tiny percentage compared to the number of spammy messages that fail spamdomains. The problem is that these 4 or 5 messages a day are too many for me. It seems somebody is on my case whenever there is a false positive. I realize now that yahoo.com was probably a bad example, although I am sure that I have seen it happen. Perhaps Sheldon's explanation is correct. The bottom line is that I think I need to pay better attention to those false positives and see if I can figure out more about them. Thanks for the feedback, Paul Navarre --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Ebay and Spamdomians
Hey, Paul, et.al., My current SPAMDOMAINS has a weight of 10. The hold weights on most of my domains is well below 10 so almost every message failing SPAMDOMAINS is held. My current SD.TXT file has 118 lines in it. I'll see maybe 1 legit e-mail caught by SPAMDOMAINS for every 1000 messages, i.e. a message being sent from a spam domain through an alternate. So far I've been able to tweak SD.TXT and add an alias to deal with those. In my experience, for HOTMAIL.COM in particular I've never seen a message sent through a non-Hotmail server. I think you might have a configuration problem if you are seeing tons of legitimate e-mail from non Hotmail servers. Especially since it's a web-based e-mail client I wouldn't think they could use anything but Microsoft owned, e.g. hotmail.com, msn.com, servers. Later, Dan - Original Message - From: Paul Navarre [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 4:13 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Ebay and Spamdomians I've been surprised at everyone waxing poetic over the spamdomains test. I have had to give this test very little wieght because we constantly get legitimate mail from spam domain addresses, but sent through other servers. For example, I see a ton of legitimate email from hotmail but where the sender sent it presumably through their work server. That's not a knock against Declude. The test works as advertised, and I do use it. I just have to give it very little weight. Paul Navarre --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. This E-mail is scanned and free from viruses. www.nexustechgroup.com This E-mail is scanned and free from viruses. www.nexustechgroup.com --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Ebay and Spamdomians
I had the same thing with emails from Hotjobs and Monster.com. Because they all have the same basic subject line I chose to whitelist them. JP - Original Message - From: Sheldon Koehler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 12:01 PM Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Ebay and Spamdomians I searched but with so many emails regarding SPAMDOMAINS I could not find the answer. I know it was discussed a few weeks ago about email coming from Ebay and legit greeting card sites that use the senders email address. Email from domains in the SD get bounced. Any ideas? Sheldon Sheldon Koehler, Owner/Partnerhttp://www.tenforward.com Ten Forward Communications 360-457-9023 Nationwide access, neighborhood support! Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect. Mark Twain --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Ebay and Spamdomians
I've been surprised at everyone waxing poetic over the spamdomains test. I have had to give this test very little wieght because we constantly get legitimate mail from spam domain addresses, but sent through other servers. For example, I see a ton of legitimate email from hotmail but where the sender sent it presumably through their work server. That's not a knock against Declude. The test works as advertised, and I do use it. I just have to give it very little weight. Paul Navarre --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Ebay and Spamdomians
What is the LA? - Original Message - From: John Tolmachoff (Lists) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 4:30 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Ebay and Spamdomians Sending messages from a hotmail address but not through a hotmail server may not be allowed under the LA. John Tolmachoff MCSE CSSA Engineer/Consultant eServices For You www.eservicesforyou.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Navarre Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 1:13 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Ebay and Spamdomians I've been surprised at everyone waxing poetic over the spamdomains test. I have had to give this test very little wieght because we constantly get legitimate mail from spam domain addresses, but sent through other servers. For example, I see a ton of legitimate email from hotmail but where the sender sent it presumably through their work server. That's not a knock against Declude. The test works as advertised, and I do use it. I just have to give it very little weight. Paul Navarre --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. === This E-mail is scanned and free from viruses. www.nexustechgroup.com This E-mail is scanned and free from viruses. www.nexustechgroup.com --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Ebay and Spamdomians
Sending messages from a hotmail address but not through a hotmail server may not be allowed under the LA. John Tolmachoff MCSE CSSA Engineer/Consultant eServices For You www.eservicesforyou.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Navarre Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 1:13 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Ebay and Spamdomians I've been surprised at everyone waxing poetic over the spamdomains test. I have had to give this test very little wieght because we constantly get legitimate mail from spam domain addresses, but sent through other servers. For example, I see a ton of legitimate email from hotmail but where the sender sent it presumably through their work server. That's not a knock against Declude. The test works as advertised, and I do use it. I just have to give it very little weight. Paul Navarre --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Ebay and Spamdomians
I'm glad I posted on this as I am realizing that I am not understanding exactly what is going on. When I had the spamdomains test set at 2/3s of the hold weight, I would find 4 or 5 legitimate messages a day held, with spamdomains putting each message over the top. Hi Paul I had the same problem here and solved it by setting up two different spamdomain tests. SPAMDOMAINS_H spamdomains E:\IMail\Declude\spamdomains_high.txt x 10 0 SPAMDOMAINS_L spamdomains E:\IMail\Declude\spamdomains_low.txt x 6 0 As you can see each of this test has his own text-file with the domains listed. I recommend to put first all the domains you actually have in the high-file. Now you can move domain per domain to the low-file if it has created a FP. Our current weight for the high file is 50% of the hold weight. For the low-file we give 30% of the hold weight. With this setting we have had not a single FP caused by the spamdomains-tests in the last 5 weeks. Markus --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Ebay and Spamdomians
License agreement. John Tolmachoff MCSE CSSA Engineer/Consultant eServices For You 626-737-6003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.eservicesforyou.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Geiser Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 1:40 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Ebay and Spamdomians What is the LA? - Original Message - From: John Tolmachoff (Lists) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 4:30 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Ebay and Spamdomians Sending messages from a hotmail address but not through a hotmail server may not be allowed under the LA. John Tolmachoff MCSE CSSA Engineer/Consultant eServices For You www.eservicesforyou.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Navarre Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 1:13 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Ebay and Spamdomians I've been surprised at everyone waxing poetic over the spamdomains test. I have had to give this test very little wieght because we constantly get legitimate mail from spam domain addresses, but sent through other servers. For example, I see a ton of legitimate email from hotmail but where the sender sent it presumably through their work server. That's not a knock against Declude. The test works as advertised, and I do use it. I just have to give it very little weight. Paul Navarre --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. === This E-mail is scanned and free from viruses. www.nexustechgroup.com === = This E-mail is scanned and free from viruses. www.nexustechgroup.com --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
