Re: [Declude.JunkMail] weird processing of lists

2010-12-29 Thread IMail Admin

Everyone gone on vacation?

-Original Message- 
From: IMail Admin

Sent: Friday, December 24, 2010 11:23 AM
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] weird processing of lists

Hi,

I've run into a small problem between Declude and lists.  I have a domain
with a list on it such as listn...@domain.com.  You have to be on the
posters' list to send messages to that list.  One of the posters sends
messages to the list and is authorized for the list, but gets this error
message: Invalid final delivery userid: listname-spam...@domain.com.
SpamLow is the folder into which messages are normally dropped when their
score is between 5 and 10.

It appears that Declude is assigning this message a score between 5 and 10
and then trying to put the message into the SpamLow folder for this user.
Except that it's not a user, it's a list.

So why does this happen and how do I handle it?

Thanks,

Ben

P.S. We've been using Declude JM/AV with Imail for a long time.  The current
versions are Imail 2006.23 and Declude 1.63.



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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] weird processing of lists

2010-12-29 Thread David Barker
Most likely ;)

-Original Message-
From: supp...@declude.com [mailto:supp...@declude.com] On Behalf Of IMail
Admin
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 3:24 PM
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] weird processing of lists

Everyone gone on vacation?

-Original Message- 
From: IMail Admin
Sent: Friday, December 24, 2010 11:23 AM
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] weird processing of lists

Hi,

I've run into a small problem between Declude and lists.  I have a domain
with a list on it such as listn...@domain.com.  You have to be on the
posters' list to send messages to that list.  One of the posters sends
messages to the list and is authorized for the list, but gets this error
message: Invalid final delivery userid: listname-spam...@domain.com.
SpamLow is the folder into which messages are normally dropped when their
score is between 5 and 10.

It appears that Declude is assigning this message a score between 5 and 10
and then trying to put the message into the SpamLow folder for this user.
Except that it's not a user, it's a list.

So why does this happen and how do I handle it?

Thanks,

Ben

P.S. We've been using Declude JM/AV with Imail for a long time.  The current
versions are Imail 2006.23 and Declude 1.63.



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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] weird processing of lists

2010-12-29 Thread Randy Armbrecht
Vacation?  What's that?

-Original Message-
From: supp...@declude.com [mailto:supp...@declude.com] On Behalf Of David
Barker
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 8:21 AM
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] weird processing of lists

Most likely ;)

-Original Message-
From: supp...@declude.com [mailto:supp...@declude.com] On Behalf Of IMail
Admin
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 3:24 PM
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] weird processing of lists

Everyone gone on vacation?

-Original Message-
From: IMail Admin
Sent: Friday, December 24, 2010 11:23 AM
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] weird processing of lists

Hi,

I've run into a small problem between Declude and lists.  I have a domain
with a list on it such as listn...@domain.com.  You have to be on the
posters' list to send messages to that list.  One of the posters sends
messages to the list and is authorized for the list, but gets this error
message: Invalid final delivery userid: listname-spam...@domain.com.
SpamLow is the folder into which messages are normally dropped when their
score is between 5 and 10.

It appears that Declude is assigning this message a score between 5 and 10
and then trying to put the message into the SpamLow folder for this user.
Except that it's not a user, it's a list.

So why does this happen and how do I handle it?

Thanks,

Ben

P.S. We've been using Declude JM/AV with Imail for a long time.  The current
versions are Imail 2006.23 and Declude 1.63.



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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] weird processing of lists

2010-12-29 Thread IMail Admin
But you're the man who knows everything about Declude.  Surely you know the 
answer to my original question?


Ben

-Original Message- 
From: David Barker

Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 5:21 AM
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] weird processing of lists

Most likely ;)

-Original Message-
From: supp...@declude.com [mailto:supp...@declude.com] On Behalf Of IMail
Admin
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 3:24 PM
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] weird processing of lists

Everyone gone on vacation?

-Original Message- 
From: IMail Admin

Sent: Friday, December 24, 2010 11:23 AM
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] weird processing of lists

Hi,

I've run into a small problem between Declude and lists.  I have a domain
with a list on it such as listn...@domain.com.  You have to be on the
posters' list to send messages to that list.  One of the posters sends
messages to the list and is authorized for the list, but gets this error
message: Invalid final delivery userid: listname-spam...@domain.com.
SpamLow is the folder into which messages are normally dropped when their
score is between 5 and 10.

It appears that Declude is assigning this message a score between 5 and 10
and then trying to put the message into the SpamLow folder for this user.
Except that it's not a user, it's a list.

So why does this happen and how do I handle it?

Thanks,

Ben

P.S. We've been using Declude JM/AV with Imail for a long time.  The current
versions are Imail 2006.23 and Declude 1.63.



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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] weird processing of lists

2010-12-29 Thread Dean Lawrence
Ben,

Maybe you could right a rule that evaluates the sender and originating
IP. So that if the email is from listn...@domain.com and the IP
matches the server's IP (since it is being generated from your
server), that it assigns a negative weight to the message?

Dean

P.S.
This is off the top of my head without looking at the docs, so I may
be off base.

On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 3:07 PM, IMail Admin imailad...@bcwebhost.net wrote:
 But you're the man who knows everything about Declude.  Surely you know the
 answer to my original question?

 Ben

 -Original Message- From: David Barker
 Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 5:21 AM
 To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
 Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] weird processing of lists

 Most likely ;)

 -Original Message-
 From: supp...@declude.com [mailto:supp...@declude.com] On Behalf Of IMail
 Admin
 Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 3:24 PM
 To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
 Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] weird processing of lists

 Everyone gone on vacation?

 -Original Message- From: IMail Admin
 Sent: Friday, December 24, 2010 11:23 AM
 To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
 Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] weird processing of lists

 Hi,

 I've run into a small problem between Declude and lists.  I have a domain
 with a list on it such as listn...@domain.com.  You have to be on the
 posters' list to send messages to that list.  One of the posters sends
 messages to the list and is authorized for the list, but gets this error
 message: Invalid final delivery userid: listname-spam...@domain.com.
 SpamLow is the folder into which messages are normally dropped when their
 score is between 5 and 10.

 It appears that Declude is assigning this message a score between 5 and 10
 and then trying to put the message into the SpamLow folder for this user.
 Except that it's not a user, it's a list.

 So why does this happen and how do I handle it?

 Thanks,

 Ben

 P.S. We've been using Declude JM/AV with Imail for a long time.  The current
 versions are Imail 2006.23 and Declude 1.63.



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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] weird processing of lists

2010-12-29 Thread Imail Admin
What surprises me is that I haven't found anywhere where this problem has been 
discussed before.  Granted that IMail's list server is primitive and that 
seriously list services use a separate list server, still a lot of IMail admin 
use the built-in list service for basic list services.  So I would assume that 
all of these users would have them same problem with JM and the IMail list 
service.  For that matter, I don't really understand why I'm having this 
problem just now, after using of using both products.

Ben
  - Original Message - 
  From: Dean Lawrence 
  To: declude.junkmail@declude.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 12:52 PM
  Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] weird processing of lists


  Ben,

  Maybe you could right a rule that evaluates the sender and originating
  IP. So that if the email is from listn...@domain.com and the IP
  matches the server's IP (since it is being generated from your
  server), that it assigns a negative weight to the message?

  Dean

  P.S.
  This is off the top of my head without looking at the docs, so I may
  be off base.

  On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 3:07 PM, IMail Admin imailad...@bcwebhost.net wrote:
   But you're the man who knows everything about Declude. Surely you know the
   answer to my original question?
  
   Ben
  
   -Original Message- From: David Barker
   Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 5:21 AM
   To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
   Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] weird processing of lists
  
   Most likely ;)
  
   -Original Message-
   From: supp...@declude.com [mailto:supp...@declude.com] On Behalf Of IMail
   Admin
   Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 3:24 PM
   To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
   Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] weird processing of lists
  
   Everyone gone on vacation?
  
   -Original Message- From: IMail Admin
   Sent: Friday, December 24, 2010 11:23 AM
   To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
   Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] weird processing of lists
  
   Hi,
  
   I've run into a small problem between Declude and lists. I have a domain
   with a list on it such as listn...@domain.com. You have to be on the
   posters' list to send messages to that list. One of the posters sends
   messages to the list and is authorized for the list, but gets this error
   message: Invalid final delivery userid: listname-spam...@domain.com.
   SpamLow is the folder into which messages are normally dropped when their
   score is between 5 and 10.
  
   It appears that Declude is assigning this message a score between 5 and 10
   and then trying to put the message into the SpamLow folder for this user.
   Except that it's not a user, it's a list.
  
   So why does this happen and how do I handle it?
  
   Thanks,
  
   Ben
  
   P.S. We've been using Declude JM/AV with Imail for a long time. The current
   versions are Imail 2006.23 and Declude 1.63.
  
  
  
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] weird processing of lists

2010-12-29 Thread Nick Hayer
Ben,

No idea how to fix it - all I can suggest though is to run your log in 
debug mode and duplicate the problem.  Then the logs may give you a clue as 
to what is going on.

-Nick

MadRiverAccess.com|Skywaves.com Tech Support 
US/Canada 877-873-6482 or International +1-802-229-6574 
Emergency Support 24/7: supp...@skywaves.net 
General and Non-Emergency support ticket: 
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From: Imail Admin imailad...@bcwebhost.net
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 5:26 PM
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] weird processing of lists


What surprises me is that I haven't found anywhere
where this problem has been discussed before.  Granted that IMail's list
server is primitive and that seriously list services use a separate list 
server,
still a lot of IMail admin use the built-in list service for basic list
services.  So I would assume that all of these users would have them same
problem with JM and the IMail list service.  For that matter, I don't
really understand why I'm having this problem just now, after using of 
using
both products.
 
Ben

- Original Message - 
From:
Dean Lawrence

To: declude.junkmail@declude.com

Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 12:52
PM
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] weird
processing of lists


Ben,

Maybe you could right a rule that evaluates the
sender and originating
IP. So that if the email is from listn...@domain.com and the
IP
matches the server's IP (since it is being generated from
your
server), that it assigns a negative weight to the
message?

Dean

P.S.
This is off the top of my head without
looking at the docs, so I may
be off base.

On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at
3:07 PM, IMail Admin imailad...@bcwebhost.net
wrote:
 But you're the man who knows everything about Declude. Surely
you know the
 answer to my original question?


Ben

 -Original Message- From: David Barker

Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 5:21 AM
 To: declude.junkmail@declude.com

Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] weird processing of lists

 Most
likely ;)

 -Original Message-
 From: supp...@declude.com
[mailto:supp...@declude.com] On Behalf Of IMail
 Admin
 Sent:
Tuesday, December 28, 2010 3:24 PM
 To: declude.junkmail@declude.com

Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] weird processing of lists


Everyone gone on vacation?

 -Original Message- From:
IMail Admin
 Sent: Friday, December 24, 2010 11:23 AM
 To: declude.junkmail@declude.com

Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] weird processing of lists


Hi,

 I've run into a small problem between Declude and lists. I
have a domain
 with a list on it such as listn...@domain.com. You have to be on
the
 posters' list to send messages to that list. One of the posters
sends
 messages to the list and is authorized for the list, but gets
this error
 message: Invalid final delivery userid: listname-spam...@domain.com.

SpamLow is the folder into which messages are normally dropped when
their
 score is between 5 and 10.

 It appears that
Declude is assigning this message a score between 5 and 10
 and then
trying to put the message into the SpamLow folder for this user.

Except that it's not a user, it's a list.

 So why does this
happen and how do I handle it?

 Thanks,


Ben

 P.S. We've been using Declude JM/AV with Imail for a long
time. The current
 versions are Imail 2006.23 and Declude
1.63.



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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] weird processing of lists

2010-12-29 Thread Imail Admin
Thanks for the offer.  In it's simplest sense, however, I think I understand 
what's going on.  Declude is processing messages sent to a list address and 
then attempting to send some messages to folders within that mailbox.  I 
can't even imagine why Declude would process the list address, rather than the 
addresses of the individual recipients.  I guess that's the real question.

Thanks,

Ben

  - Original Message - 
  From: Nick Hayer 
  To: declude.junkmail@declude.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 2:49 PM
  Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] weird processing of lists


  Ben,

  No idea how to fix it - all I can suggest though is to run your log in debug 
mode and duplicate the problem.  Then the logs may give you a clue as to what 
is going on.

  -Nick


  MadRiverAccess.com|Skywaves.com Tech Support 
  US/Canada 877-873-6482 or International +1-802-229-6574 
  Emergency Support 24/7: supp...@skywaves.net 
  General and Non-Emergency support ticket: 
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  From: Imail Admin imailad...@bcwebhost.net
  Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 5:26 PM
  To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
  Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] weird processing of lists


  What surprises me is that I haven't found anywhere where this problem has 
been discussed before.  Granted that IMail's list server is primitive and that 
seriously list services use a separate list server, still a lot of IMail admin 
use the built-in list service for basic list services.  So I would assume that 
all of these users would have them same problem with JM and the IMail list 
service.  For that matter, I don't really understand why I'm having this 
problem just now, after using of using both products.

  Ben
- Original Message - 
From: Dean Lawrence 
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com 
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 12:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] weird processing of lists


Ben,

Maybe you could right a rule that evaluates the sender and originating
IP. So that if the email is from listn...@domain.com and the IP
matches the server's IP (since it is being generated from your
server), that it assigns a negative weight to the message?

Dean

P.S.
This is off the top of my head without looking at the docs, so I may
be off base.

On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 3:07 PM, IMail Admin imailad...@bcwebhost.net 
wrote:
 But you're the man who knows everything about Declude. Surely you know the
 answer to my original question?

 Ben

 -Original Message- From: David Barker
 Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 5:21 AM
 To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
 Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] weird processing of lists

 Most likely ;)

 -Original Message-
 From: supp...@declude.com [mailto:supp...@declude.com] On Behalf Of IMail
 Admin
 Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 3:24 PM
 To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
 Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] weird processing of lists

 Everyone gone on vacation?

 -Original Message- From: IMail Admin
 Sent: Friday, December 24, 2010 11:23 AM
 To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
 Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] weird processing of lists

 Hi,

 I've run into a small problem between Declude and lists. I have a domain
 with a list on it such as listn...@domain.com. You have to be on the
 posters' list to send messages to that list. One of the posters sends
 messages to the list and is authorized for the list, but gets this error
 message: Invalid final delivery userid: listname-spam...@domain.com.
 SpamLow is the folder into which messages are normally dropped when their
 score is between 5 and 10.

 It appears that Declude is assigning this message a score between 5 and 10
 and then trying to put the message into the SpamLow folder for this user.
 Except that it's not a user, it's a list.

 So why does this happen and how do I handle it?

 Thanks,

 Ben

 P.S. We've been using Declude JM/AV with Imail for a long time. The 
current
 versions are Imail 2006.23 and Declude 1.63.



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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] weird processing of lists

2010-12-27 Thread IMail Admin
I've got a second user with the same problem, so I'd be interested in help. 
The only thing I've thought of so far is to create user-specific settings 
for each list and specify not to create folders, but that's a pain in the 
neck.


Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Ben

-Original Message- 
From: IMail Admin

Sent: Friday, December 24, 2010 11:23 AM
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] weird processing of lists

Hi,

I've run into a small problem between Declude and lists.  I have a domain
with a list on it such as listn...@domain.com.  You have to be on the
posters' list to send messages to that list.  One of the posters sends
messages to the list and is authorized for the list, but gets this error
message: Invalid final delivery userid: listname-spam...@domain.com.
SpamLow is the folder into which messages are normally dropped when their
score is between 5 and 10.

It appears that Declude is assigning this message a score between 5 and 10
and then trying to put the message into the SpamLow folder for this user.
Except that it's not a user, it's a list.

So why does this happen and how do I handle it?

Thanks,

Ben

P.S. We've been using Declude JM/AV with Imail for a long time.  The current
versions are Imail 2006.23 and Declude 1.63.



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