Re: Re[6]: [Declude.Virus] testvirus.org #17

2004-12-20 Thread William Stillwell
But the Mcafee DOES detect the Virus string in the SMD file., But
declude reports no virus.
(This is for test #17)
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I turned if off and it still got through.

This test message contains:
Test #17: Eicar virus hidden using the CR Vulnerability (attachment can 
be
opened by all versions of Microsoft Outlook and Outlook Express)
...
I just checked this one, and it got through here, too.  I examined the raw 
source of the E-mail, and there doesn't appear to be a lone CR character 
in it, so it doesn't appear to actually contain the Outlook CR 
Vulnerability.

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Re: Re[6]: [Declude.Virus] testvirus.org #17

2004-12-20 Thread R. Scott Perry

But the Mcafee DOES detect the Virus string in the SMD file., But
declude reports no virus.
(This is for test #17)
Declude Virus doesn't detect a virus, because there are no vulnerabilities 
in the E-mail (despite what the test description says).

McAfee does not detect it when called by Declude Virus, because Declude 
Virus only sends MIME segments, attachments, and other such files to 
McAfee.  Since the eicar.com file appears in the headers, where mail 
clients should be unable to see an attachment, the eicar.com file isn't 
sent to McAfee.

As to why McAfee detects it, it is most likely due to differences in the 
way that the E-mail is scanned.

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Re: Re[6]: [Declude.Virus] testvirus.org #17

2004-12-20 Thread William Stillwell
Ahhh..
So Declude doesn't actually Send the SMD file to the Scanner..
It takes the Message Body, wirtes it to a Tmp File, and then scans it?
Why not just scan the SMD file , Headers and All ?

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But the Mcafee DOES detect the Virus string in the SMD file., But
declude reports no virus.
(This is for test #17)
Declude Virus doesn't detect a virus, because there are no vulnerabilities 
in the E-mail (despite what the test description says).

McAfee does not detect it when called by Declude Virus, because Declude 
Virus only sends MIME segments, attachments, and other such files to 
McAfee.  Since the eicar.com file appears in the headers, where mail 
clients should be unable to see an attachment, the eicar.com file isn't 
sent to McAfee.

As to why McAfee detects it, it is most likely due to differences in the 
way that the E-mail is scanned.

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Re: Re[6]: [Declude.Virus] testvirus.org #17

2004-12-20 Thread R. Scott Perry

So Declude doesn't actually Send the SMD file to the Scanner..
Correct.
It takes the Message Body, wirtes it to a Tmp File, and then scans it?
Why not just scan the SMD file , Headers and All ?
Because very few AV programs can read a .SMD file.  They make their big 
bucks by selling mailserver virus scanners ($1,000s), as opposed to desktop 
scanners ($10s), so they don't want the deskstop scanners to scan .SMD files.

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Re: Re[6]: [Declude.Virus] testvirus.org #17

2004-12-20 Thread Bill Landry
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 So Declude doesn't actually Send the SMD file to the Scanner..

 Correct.

 It takes the Message Body, wirtes it to a Tmp File, and then scans it?
 Why not just scan the SMD file , Headers and All ?

 Because very few AV programs can read a .SMD file.  They make their big
 bucks by selling mailserver virus scanners ($1,000s), as opposed to
desktop
 scanners ($10s), so they don't want the deskstop scanners to scan .SMD
files.

Many, if not most, desktop command-line scanners today have support for
mail/mime encoded files:
===
F-Prot: -server  Turns on heuristics that are suitable when scanning mail
messages on a mail server.

McAfee: --mime  Option tells the VirusScan Command Line application to
detect infections within archives converted to UUEncode, XXEncode, Base64,
and BinHex formats.

ClamAV: ScanMail  Enable internal e-mail scanner (Default: enabled)

BitDefender: --mail  Scan mail databases

Sophos: -mime  Scan files encoded in MIME format
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[Declude.Virus] testvirus.org #17

2004-12-17 Thread Jeff Lancton
Hello list,

I'm running 1.81, and caught all but #17, the CR Vulnerability.  Yet,
earlier in the morning, Declude caught the 'Outlook CR Vulnerability' in an
email from outside.  Is this just due to a difference in the way they send
the test, or do I have something configured wrong?

Thanks,

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Re: [Declude.Virus] testvirus.org #17

2004-12-17 Thread William Stillwell
I failed 16  17
How do i get mcafee to scan the html?
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Hello list,
I'm running 1.81, and caught all but #17, the CR Vulnerability.  Yet,
earlier in the morning, Declude caught the 'Outlook CR Vulnerability' in 
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Thanks,
-Jeff
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Re: [Declude.Virus] testvirus.org #17

2004-12-17 Thread William Stillwell
fixed #16
PRESCAN OFF
#17 goes thru,
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Subject: Re: [Declude.Virus] testvirus.org #17


I failed 16  17
How do i get mcafee to scan the html?
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Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 8:20 AM
Subject: [Declude.Virus] testvirus.org #17


Hello list,
I'm running 1.81, and caught all but #17, the CR Vulnerability.  Yet,
earlier in the morning, Declude caught the 'Outlook CR Vulnerability' in 
an
email from outside.  Is this just due to a difference in the way they 
send
the test, or do I have something configured wrong?

Thanks,
-Jeff
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Re: [Declude.Virus] testvirus.org #17

2004-12-17 Thread Matt
William,
I don't think that you want to do that because of this test.  Declude's 
prescanning will save a server line mine running both F-Prot and McAfee 
over 40% processor utilization.  PRESCAN looks for exploitable code and 
only sends the HTML to the scanner if it finds something such as 
JavaScript.  The test that is on this site doesn't seem to be sending an 
exploit, just the eicar string in the middle of an HTML segment, and 
that can't be executed as far as I can tell (though I didn't run the test).

Take note of the marketing aspects of tests like this in addition to the 
utility they offer.  This one was designed by a Declude customer around 
their own capabilities, or potential capabilities using the product 
(maybe it's also been extended since I last checked), but my own 
experience on a Declude competitor's site resulted in a comparably poor 
showing for my system.  Every such site will likely have tests that will 
not get captured by your system, but that doesn't mean that you are 
necessarily vulnerable or exposed to an unreasonable degree of risk.

I'm not sure what is going on with #17.  Personally I have never seen 
something exploit this vulnerability and maybe there's a detection issue 
created by the eicar code in this way?

Matt

William Stillwell wrote:
fixed #16
PRESCAN OFF
#17 goes thru,
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Subject: Re: [Declude.Virus] testvirus.org #17


I failed 16  17
How do i get mcafee to scan the html?
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Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 8:20 AM
Subject: [Declude.Virus] testvirus.org #17


Hello list,
I'm running 1.81, and caught all but #17, the CR Vulnerability.  Yet,
earlier in the morning, Declude caught the 'Outlook CR 
Vulnerability' in an
email from outside.  Is this just due to a difference in the way 
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the test, or do I have something configured wrong?

Thanks,
-Jeff
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Re: [Declude.Virus] testvirus.org #17

2004-12-17 Thread William Stillwell
Well, I been goofing with #17
I stopped my Quee Manager, Found the SMD files for the test.
and manually ran Mcafee against it.. Finds Virus? But Decluded says
that mcafee reported no virus.. Report.Txt to follow:
-
12/17/2004  10:07:58
Options:
/LOAD SCANOPT.TXT .\DF1F901860D8F.SMD
Scanning C: []
Scanning C:\virus\DF1F901860D8F.SMD
C:\virus\Df1f901860d8f.SMD\eicar.com ... Found: EICAR test file NOT a 
virus.

Summary report on C:\virus\DF1F901860D8F.SMD
File(s)
   Total files: ...   2
   Clean: .   1
   Possibly Infected: .   1
Time: 00:00.00
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Now, I see Found: There, but it not cuaght ? I dunno, me confused.

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William,
I don't think that you want to do that because of this test.  Declude's 
prescanning will save a server line mine running both F-Prot and McAfee 
over 40% processor utilization.  PRESCAN looks for exploitable code and 
only sends the HTML to the scanner if it finds something such as 
JavaScript.  The test that is on this site doesn't seem to be sending an 
exploit, just the eicar string in the middle of an HTML segment, and that 
can't be executed as far as I can tell (though I didn't run the test).

Take note of the marketing aspects of tests like this in addition to the 
utility they offer.  This one was designed by a Declude customer around 
their own capabilities, or potential capabilities using the product (maybe 
it's also been extended since I last checked), but my own experience on a 
Declude competitor's site resulted in a comparably poor showing for my 
system.  Every such site will likely have tests that will not get captured 
by your system, but that doesn't mean that you are necessarily vulnerable 
or exposed to an unreasonable degree of risk.

I'm not sure what is going on with #17.  Personally I have never seen 
something exploit this vulnerability and maybe there's a detection issue 
created by the eicar code in this way?

Matt

William Stillwell wrote:
fixed #16
PRESCAN OFF
#17 goes thru,
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Subject: Re: [Declude.Virus] testvirus.org #17


I failed 16  17
How do i get mcafee to scan the html?
- Original Message - From: Jeff Lancton 
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 8:20 AM
Subject: [Declude.Virus] testvirus.org #17


Hello list,
I'm running 1.81, and caught all but #17, the CR Vulnerability.  Yet,
earlier in the morning, Declude caught the 'Outlook CR Vulnerability' 
in an
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the test, or do I have something configured wrong?

Thanks,
-Jeff
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Re: [Declude.Virus] testvirus.org #17

2004-12-17 Thread Matt
William,
You should probably re-read my original message again regarding this.  
Declude's PRESCAN will only launch the scanner if it finds code that is 
capable of being exploited.  Standard HTML is not exploitable, but 
JavaScript is, so standard HTML doesn't get scanned, and HTML with 
JavaScript will get scanned.  Putting the eicar string in the middle of 
HTML will trigger your scanner if scanned, but I'm not convinced that it 
is exploitable in this format.  Furthermore, turning PRESCAN OFF can 
result in +40% extra processor utilization on a system running two scanners.

Matt

William Stillwell wrote:
Well, I been goofing with #17
I stopped my Quee Manager, Found the SMD files for the test.
and manually ran Mcafee against it.. Finds Virus? But Decluded says
that mcafee reported no virus.. Report.Txt to follow:
- 

12/17/2004  10:07:58
Options:
/LOAD SCANOPT.TXT .\DF1F901860D8F.SMD
Scanning C: []
Scanning C:\virus\DF1F901860D8F.SMD
C:\virus\Df1f901860d8f.SMD\eicar.com ... Found: EICAR test file 
NOT a virus.

Summary report on C:\virus\DF1F901860D8F.SMD
File(s)
   Total files: ...   2
   Clean: .   1
   Possibly Infected: .   1
Time: 00:00.00
-
Now, I see Found: There, but it not cuaght ? I dunno, me confused.

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William,
I don't think that you want to do that because of this test.  
Declude's prescanning will save a server line mine running both 
F-Prot and McAfee over 40% processor utilization.  PRESCAN looks for 
exploitable code and only sends the HTML to the scanner if it finds 
something such as JavaScript.  The test that is on this site doesn't 
seem to be sending an exploit, just the eicar string in the middle of 
an HTML segment, and that can't be executed as far as I can tell 
(though I didn't run the test).

Take note of the marketing aspects of tests like this in addition to 
the utility they offer.  This one was designed by a Declude customer 
around their own capabilities, or potential capabilities using the 
product (maybe it's also been extended since I last checked), but my 
own experience on a Declude competitor's site resulted in a 
comparably poor showing for my system.  Every such site will likely 
have tests that will not get captured by your system, but that 
doesn't mean that you are necessarily vulnerable or exposed to an 
unreasonable degree of risk.

I'm not sure what is going on with #17.  Personally I have never seen 
something exploit this vulnerability and maybe there's a detection 
issue created by the eicar code in this way?

Matt

William Stillwell wrote:
fixed #16
PRESCAN OFF
#17 goes thru,
- Original Message - From: William Stillwell 
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Subject: Re: [Declude.Virus] testvirus.org #17


I failed 16  17
How do i get mcafee to scan the html?
- Original Message - From: Jeff Lancton 
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Subject: [Declude.Virus] testvirus.org #17


Hello list,
I'm running 1.81, and caught all but #17, the CR Vulnerability.  Yet,
earlier in the morning, Declude caught the 'Outlook CR 
Vulnerability' in an
email from outside.  Is this just due to a difference in the way 
they send
the test, or do I have something configured wrong?

Thanks,
-Jeff
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