Re: [Declude.Virus] Upgrade issues
The use of MAC address will break my network config. Looks like Ill have to find a new MAIL/VIRUS solution if you cannot find a way around the use of MAC address. Greg Hedgepath William Stillwell wrote: - Original Message - From: R. Scott Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declude.Virus@declude.com Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 4:22 PM Subject: Re: [Declude.Virus] Upgrade issues 1- Please do not base keys on mac adresses. IP maybe, but not mac I believe the decision was made to use the MAC address based on the fact that some people might be running copies of IMail on separate servers behind a single IP. And what happens if you have 4 nics, and 32 IP address on the same machine, of which they use Private IP's that are nat'd via separate firewalls? Best solution would be to use a Machine ID, and license file. What if a Single Nic server were to loose there nic @ 12AM Friday, So, No mail tell Monday? Here is what i get The mail does not get delivered and Nothing in declude virus log is being added after the upgrade If you use LOGLEVEL DEBUG, does it record anything in the log file? -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers since 2000. Declude Virus: Ultra reliable virus detection and the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you've been missing: Ask for a free 30-day evaluation. This outgoing message is guaranteed to be authentic by Message Level users. Guarantee the authenticity of your email @ http://www.messagelevel.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.Virus.The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This email has been scanned for possible viruses by Declude Antivirus. For more information on Declude Antivirus, Visit www.declude.com --- This email has been scanned for possible viruses by Declude Antivirus. For more information on Declude Antivirus, Visit www.declude.com --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.Virus.The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. - [This E-mail scanned for viruses by declude AntiVirus Software] - [This E-mail scanned for viruses by declude AntiVirus Software] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.Virus.The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.Virus] Upgrade issues
Well - I think what is needed is DISCLOSURE. Scott has said, there is some failsafe in place. This could be a reasonable grace period of 60 days (or something to that effect), so that a MAC mismatch will give everyone ample time to reactivate after they return from their vacation (after one of their colleagues had to swap a NIC but didn't know about the Declude implications). I'm saying 60 days, because in Europe, 6 weeks vacation is not at all out of the realm of possibility. Let's first listen what they have to say. Barry/Scott: Having said all that, I'm not at all pleased that: A) major technical/setup changes to the availability/installability are made without proper warning (even in a public beta)! B) users have to accidentally trip over these issues before you fess up (I don't care for this underhanded approach - I'm sure you have some non-compliant users, but that's no reason to treat your paying customers like criminals!) C) after disclosure is requested, it's been two days without you offering more than overly generic answers. So - I share the frustration voiced on this board, but I'm not ready to draw conclusions just because we are intentionally kept in the dark. Best Regards Andy Schmidt Phone: +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business) Fax:+1 201 934-9206 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Hedgepath Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 09:06 AM To: Declude.Virus@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.Virus] Upgrade issues The use of MAC address will break my network config. Looks like Ill have to find a new MAIL/VIRUS solution if you cannot find a way around the use of MAC address. Greg Hedgepath William Stillwell wrote: - Original Message - From: R. Scott Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declude.Virus@declude.com Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 4:22 PM Subject: Re: [Declude.Virus] Upgrade issues 1- Please do not base keys on mac adresses. IP maybe, but not mac I believe the decision was made to use the MAC address based on the fact that some people might be running copies of IMail on separate servers behind a single IP. And what happens if you have 4 nics, and 32 IP address on the same machine, of which they use Private IP's that are nat'd via separate firewalls? Best solution would be to use a Machine ID, and license file. What if a Single Nic server were to loose there nic @ 12AM Friday, So, No mail tell Monday? Here is what i get The mail does not get delivered and Nothing in declude virus log is being added after the upgrade If you use LOGLEVEL DEBUG, does it record anything in the log file? -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers since 2000. Declude Virus: Ultra reliable virus detection and the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you've been missing: Ask for a free 30-day evaluation. This outgoing message is guaranteed to be authentic by Message Level users. Guarantee the authenticity of your email @ http://www.messagelevel.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.Virus.The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This email has been scanned for possible viruses by Declude Antivirus. For more information on Declude Antivirus, Visit www.declude.com --- This email has been scanned for possible viruses by Declude Antivirus. For more information on Declude Antivirus, Visit www.declude.com --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.Virus.The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. - [This E-mail scanned for viruses by declude AntiVirus Software] - [This E-mail scanned for viruses by declude AntiVirus Software] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.Virus.The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.Virus.The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.Virus] Upgrade issues
Perhaps now would be a good time for Barry to comment on this thread. Jonathan At 08:56 AM 12/22/2004, you wrote: A) major technical/setup changes to the availability/installability are made without proper warning (even in a public beta)! Actually, the IMail version should work exactly as before, without any availability/installability issues. The software should run fine with the existing activation codes. The SmarterMail version does require the new activation system, but as a new product, that's just how it works. B) users have to accidentally trip over these issues before you fess up (I don't care for this underhanded approach - I'm sure you have some non-compliant users, but that's no reason to treat your paying customers like criminals!) I personally prefer the old system. C) after disclosure is requested, it's been two days without you offering more than overly generic answers. Unfortunately, I am not able to provide more detailed answers. If Barry feels it is appropriate, he may shed some more light on the situation. -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers since 2000. Declude Virus: Ultra reliable virus detection and the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you've been missing: Ask for a free 30-day evaluation. This outgoing message is guaranteed to be authentic by Message Level users. Guarantee the authenticity of your email @ http://www.messagelevel.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.Virus.The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.Virus.The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.Virus] Upgrade issues
Well - it is my understanding that there is now an automated Setup again and people have either been reporting (or possibly only speculating?) that it might fiddle with my carefully laid out configuration files and or message templates. Yes. That was due to a bug in the install program. It was my understanding that these were Imail users - and it certainly would create both an availability and installability issue if my configuration was rendered useless after running Setup! Correct, but this is unrelated to the MAC issue. -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers since 2000. Declude Virus: Ultra reliable virus detection and the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you've been missing: Ask for a free 30-day evaluation. This outgoing message is guaranteed to be authentic by Message Level users. Guarantee the authenticity of your email @ http://www.messagelevel.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.Virus.The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.Virus] Upgrade issues
I first wrote: The use of MAC address will break my network config. Scott Perry wrote : Do you mean that you have a MAC address that changes constantly? Could you please explain how that works? My reply; Let me preface with my initial post was somewhat lame and at best too brief. As you read this please keep in mind that this is a NOT YET deployed scenerio. However all supporting hardware and software have already been purchased. We will be installing IMAIL and after today SmarterMail on sw-soft.com VPS servers. I have the machines set up now with 5 dual nics @ 10 ports per VPS hardware allocation. 1 independant NIC Port on each VPS deployed. 10(max) VPS per dual xeon3.2 w/ win 2003 server 8gigs ram. Now even under this scenerio the machine name would still report the base installs host name over all VPS deployed. Declude would still work under this scenerio. This Mac Address thing is going to get real interesting on these servers from what I can see in a VPS Scenerio. Does declude or anyone else have any input about VPS and multiple NICs/MACs on each VPS Hardware deployment? Of course VPS on windows is fairly new so I do not expect much input but I think declude may want to find out what limitations will be meet in the VPS market, and how this lic issue needs will be addressed. For more about the VPS software for windows see; http://www.sw-soft.com/en/virtuozzo/enterprise/windows/ Just looking for more input on this. With virtuoso we can move actual complete OSs with complete config from one VPS on the same server or to a completly different hardeware deployment. All that being said the the 60 day grace period sounds like it would work fine. And any admin that lets things slide longer than that has no business with a network. Greg Hedgepath R. Scott Perry wrote: The use of MAC address will break my network config. Do you mean that you have a MAC address that changes constantly? Could you please explain how that works? -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers since 2000. Declude Virus: Ultra reliable virus detection and the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you've been missing: Ask for a free 30-day evaluation. This outgoing message is guaranteed to be authentic by Message Level users. Guarantee the authenticity of your email @ http://www.messagelevel.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.Virus.The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. - [This E-mail scanned for viruses by declude AntiVirus Software] - [This E-mail scanned for viruses by declude AntiVirus Software] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.Virus.The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.Virus] Upgrade issues
First, can you bind a VPS session to a specific nic considering that you have 5 dual nics? Secondly, can you assign a different mac in each VPS session. If I remember correctly from my work with VPC, the Mac is the same for each instance even though there are multiple instances. You use either NAT'ing or a Virtual Switch to control network flow to each of the VPS sessions. I think VMware does the same also, in that the mac's are all the same. My point, without further understanding of VPS and it's supporting software, would the mac licensing really be an issue because all the instances have the same mac? - Original Message - From: Greg Hedgepath [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declude.Virus@declude.com Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 9:12 PM Subject: Re: [Declude.Virus] Upgrade issues I first wrote: The use of MAC address will break my network config. Scott Perry wrote : Do you mean that you have a MAC address that changes constantly? Could you please explain how that works? My reply; Let me preface with my initial post was somewhat lame and at best too brief. As you read this please keep in mind that this is a NOT YET deployed scenerio. However all supporting hardware and software have already been purchased. We will be installing IMAIL and after today SmarterMail on sw-soft.com VPS servers. I have the machines set up now with 5 dual nics @ 10 ports per VPS hardware allocation. 1 independant NIC Port on each VPS deployed. 10(max) VPS per dual xeon3.2 w/ win 2003 server 8gigs ram. Now even under this scenerio the machine name would still report the base installs host name over all VPS deployed. Declude would still work under this scenerio. This Mac Address thing is going to get real interesting on these servers from what I can see in a VPS Scenerio. Does declude or anyone else have any input about VPS and multiple NICs/MACs on each VPS Hardware deployment? Of course VPS on windows is fairly new so I do not expect much input but I think declude may want to find out what limitations will be meet in the VPS market, and how this lic issue needs will be addressed. For more about the VPS software for windows see; http://www.sw-soft.com/en/virtuozzo/enterprise/windows/ Just looking for more input on this. With virtuoso we can move actual complete OSs with complete config from one VPS on the same server or to a completly different hardeware deployment. All that being said the the 60 day grace period sounds like it would work fine. And any admin that lets things slide longer than that has no business with a network. Greg Hedgepath R. Scott Perry wrote: The use of MAC address will break my network config. Do you mean that you have a MAC address that changes constantly? Could you please explain how that works? -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers since 2000. Declude Virus: Ultra reliable virus detection and the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you've been missing: Ask for a free 30-day evaluation. This outgoing message is guaranteed to be authentic by Message Level users. Guarantee the authenticity of your email @ http://www.messagelevel.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.Virus.The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. - [This E-mail scanned for viruses by declude AntiVirus Software] - [This E-mail scanned for viruses by declude AntiVirus Software] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.Virus.The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. *Scanned for viruses by Declude Virus* --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.Virus.The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.Virus] Upgrade issues [was: DO NOT UPGRADE]
Just upgraded to 2.0B, and declude stoped working When running -diag I am getting a strange line: Declude v2.0b key request on MAC 000E7F2E754C. What is this key request ? For the next release, we are looking at having activation codes handled automatically. Why is declude not working ? I cannot say; this is an issue that should be handled via support. The IMail version of Declude should work fine with your current activation code. -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers since 2000. Declude Virus: Ultra reliable virus detection and the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you've been missing: Ask for a free 30-day evaluation. This outgoing message is guaranteed to be authentic by Message Level users. Guarantee the authenticity of your email @ http://www.messagelevel.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.Virus.The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.Virus] Upgrade issues [was: DO NOT UPGRADE]
I had the same problem with 2.0b not working. E-mails kept piling up in the spool. Cycled queue manager, emails went through, unchecked by Declude. Copied the 1.81 .exe, cycled the queue and smtp services, all back to normal. -Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of R. Scott Perry Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 3:03 PM To: Declude.Virus@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.Virus] Upgrade issues [was: DO NOT UPGRADE] Just upgraded to 2.0B, and declude stoped working When running -diag I am getting a strange line: Declude v2.0b key request on MAC 000E7F2E754C. What is this key request ? For the next release, we are looking at having activation codes handled automatically. Why is declude not working ? I cannot say; this is an issue that should be handled via support. The IMail version of Declude should work fine with your current activation code. -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers since 2000. Declude Virus: Ultra reliable virus detection and the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you've been missing: Ask for a free 30-day evaluation. This outgoing message is guaranteed to be authentic by Message Level users. Guarantee the authenticity of your email @ http://www.messagelevel.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.Virus.The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Anti-Virus] --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Anti-Virus] DISCLAIMER This transmission is intended only for the individual or entity to which it is addressed and it contains information that is confidential. If you have received this communication in error, please destroy these materials and contact the sender immediately at the phone number/email address listed above. This information has been disclosed to you from confidential records and is protected by federal and state law. This information may include confidential mental health, substance abuse, and/or alcohol abuse related information. Federal and state law prohibits you from making any further disclosure of this information without the specific written consent of the person to whom it pertains, or as otherwise permitted by law. Any unauthorized further disclosure in violation of the law may result in a fine or jail sentence or both. A general authorization for the release of this information may not be sufficient authorization for further disclosure. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.Virus.The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.Virus] Upgrade issues [was: DO NOT UPGRADE]
I had the same problem with 2.0b not working. E-mails kept piling up in the spool. Cycled queue manager, emails went through, unchecked by Declude. We are aware of an issue with 2.0b where this could happen; we are awaiting more information to resolve the problem. -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers since 2000. Declude Virus: Ultra reliable virus detection and the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you've been missing: Ask for a free 30-day evaluation. This outgoing message is guaranteed to be authentic by Message Level users. Guarantee the authenticity of your email @ http://www.messagelevel.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.Virus.The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.Virus] Upgrade issues
I would need a better understanding of exactly what that means before I would be comfortable with it. Darin. - Original Message - From: R. Scott Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Declude.Virus@declude.com Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 7:16 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.Virus] Upgrade issues The built-in failsafes are designed to ensure that you won't need to wait until the next business day to get a new license key. What exactly does this mean? How long will you wait and does Deculde run without the key? I don't know the exact details, but in any case they are likely to change before the next release. -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers since 2000. Declude Virus: Ultra reliable virus detection and the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you've been missing: Ask for a free 30-day evaluation. This outgoing message is guaranteed to be authentic by Message Level users. Guarantee the authenticity of your email @ http://www.messagelevel.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.Virus.The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.Virus.The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.Virus] Upgrade issues
Microsoft has invested a tremendous amount of effort and logistics to make their product activation workable including automated 24 x 7 IVR service for activations and 24 x 7 call center that gives the user the benefit of the doubt the first time they re-activate. Of course, all of this is aimed at the hobbiest/consumer and var-in-the-box pirates. Corporate clients, AND ALL SERVICE PROVIDERS using volume licensing or SPLA (you do have an SPLA, right?) are spared all this hassle with volume licensed media that does not need activation at all. Learn the right things from ipswitch not the wrong things! - Make it hard on your existing customers and they will decide it is worth it to switch to a different product instead of being treated poorly -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 4:11 PM To: Declude.Virus@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.Virus] Upgrade issues So is this why the new versions have an actual installer? Off-topic, but I think Microsoft did the world a great disservice by introducing hardware-tied activation as an accepted practice. Sidenote, how exactly do these magical failsafes work? Can we expect 1-2 days before it nags us to re-activate, or .. ? Like many others, I'd rather not learn all of this at 3am during a maintenance window. :) Jonathan At 05:47 PM 12/21/2004, you wrote: Am I hearing correctly that, beginning with 2.0, licensing is tied to the MAC address? Correct. If so, what about those of us who load balance the traffic to the server across multiple NICs? This is a must to avoid downtime due to failure of a NIC (it's saved our bacon a couple of times). Also, if a NIC is replaced, or we migrate to a different server, what is the process the get a new license key...and is that available 24/7/365? We absolutely need to be able to handle these situations immediately without waiting until the next business day to get a new license key. The built-in failsafes are designed to ensure that you won't need to wait until the next business day to get a new license key. -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers since 2000. Declude Virus: Ultra reliable virus detection and the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you've been missing: Ask for a free 30-day evaluation. This outgoing message is guaranteed to be authentic by Message Level users. Guarantee the authenticity of your email @ http://www.messagelevel.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.Virus.The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.Virus.The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.Virus.The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
