[DUG] Apple iPad - OT
I can't believe there has been no chat about Apple's latest announcement this morning. Watch this video and tell me with a straight face that you don't want one yesterday: http://www.apple.com/ipad/ipad-video/#large Is this the coolest thing ever? I will get one for sure when it is available. Wi-Fi might be good enough for me, not sure I really need 3G. ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe
Re: [DUG] Apple iPad - OT
My reply to this on another forum. meh... best ever browsing experience (as long as the website doesn't need flash). Don't see the need for such a device. - 10 hour battery life isn't long enough considering the storage is solid state. - No multi-tasking. Custom processor is an interesting development though. It is an over sized iPhone (which is an ok phone - I have one), proven by the fact that it will scale up existing iphone apps to full screen if you want. The cheapest one will probably come out over here at $999 - given apples history of screwing us (which isn't unique to them). On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 9:26 AM, Xander (GMail) xander...@gmail.com wrote: I can't believe there has been no chat about Apple's latest announcement this morning. Watch this video and tell me with a straight face that you don't want one yesterday: http://www.apple.com/ipad/ipad-video/#large Is this the coolest thing ever? I will get one for sure when it is available. Wi-Fi might be good enough for me, not sure I really need 3G. ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe
Re: [DUG] Apple iPad - OT
. It is an over sized iPhone (which is an ok phone - I have one), I think this is precisely the reason why it will be a runaway success (I have an iPhone too and always wanted a bigger screen version of the same) The cheapest one will probably come out over here at $999 If that is the case and if one only wants Wi-Fi then I hope one can purchase directly from overseas. I've been thinking for a while about purchasing an eBook reader, but this makes so much more sense with the browsing and email capabilities built-in (and the color screen of course). I wonder whether the lack of multi-tasking is such a biggie? I don't miss that on the iPhone and I will be using it as a larger version of an iPod Touch really. If I need multi-tasking I use my laptop. -Original Message- From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] On Behalf Of Jeremy North Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 11:30 AM To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List Subject: Re: [DUG] Apple iPad - OT My reply to this on another forum. meh... best ever browsing experience (as long as the website doesn't need flash). Don't see the need for such a device. - 10 hour battery life isn't long enough considering the storage is solid state. - No multi-tasking. Custom processor is an interesting development though. It is an over sized iPhone (which is an ok phone - I have one), proven by the fact that it will scale up existing iphone apps to full screen if you want. The cheapest one will probably come out over here at $999 - given apples history of screwing us (which isn't unique to them). On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 9:26 AM, Xander (GMail) xander...@gmail.com wrote: I can't believe there has been no chat about Apple's latest announcement this morning. Watch this video and tell me with a straight face that you don't want one yesterday: http://www.apple.com/ipad/ipad-video/#large Is this the coolest thing ever? I will get one for sure when it is available. Wi-Fi might be good enough for me, not sure I really need 3G. ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe
Re: [DUG] Apple iPad - OT
I would watch the video but it requires me to load Quicktime. Even without looking I can tell you I don't get wet over it because I am no longer a teenager. Im not sure whether this item would fulfill any function for me that makes it worth it. Cameron -Original Message- From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] On Behalf Of Xander (GMail) Sent: Thursday, 28 January 2010 11:26 a.m. To: 'NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List' Subject: [DUG] Apple iPad - OT I can't believe there has been no chat about Apple's latest announcement this morning. Watch this video and tell me with a straight face that you don't want one yesterday: http://www.apple.com/ipad/ipad-video/#large Is this the coolest thing ever? I will get one for sure when it is available. Wi-Fi might be good enough for me, not sure I really need 3G. ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe
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$800+ for a giant iPod touch? It still has all the faults of the iPod/iPhone No flash No multitasking No access to the file system No printing (I assume) If it was $500 nz, I might look at it for reading books but that is still painful due to the lack of file system access. I might look at it for work as the new apps I create are all web based but the lack of printing support make that a no goer. And I can't keep a straight face while saying it's name. iPad sounds like a feminine hygiene product. Regards Sean Cross CIO Catalyst Risk Management PO Box 230 Napier 4140 DDI: 06-8340362 Mobile: 021270 3466 Visit us at http://www.catalystrisk.co.nz Offices in Auckland, Hamilton, Napier, Wellington, Christchurch Dunedin Disclaimer: The information contained in this document is confidential to the addressee(s) and may be legally privileged. Any view or opinions expressed are those of the author and may not be those of Catalyst Risk Management. No guarantee or representation is made that this communication is free of errors, viruses or interference. If you have received this e-mail message in error please delete it and notify me. Thank you. -Original Message- From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi- boun...@delphi.org.nz] On Behalf Of Xander (GMail) Sent: Thursday, 28 January 2010 11:26 a.m. To: 'NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List' Subject: [DUG] Apple iPad - OT I can't believe there has been no chat about Apple's latest announcement this morning. Watch this video and tell me with a straight face that you don't want one yesterday: http://www.apple.com/ipad/ipad-video/#large Is this the coolest thing ever? I will get one for sure when it is available. Wi-Fi might be good enough for me, not sure I really need 3G. ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe
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I have to say it looks pretty cool. My main concern is that they are going to get really popular and I'm going to have to start supporting it. Alister Christie Computers for People Ph: 04 471 1849 Fax: 04 471 1266 http://www.salespartner.co.nz PO Box 13085 Johnsonville Wellington Xander (GMail) wrote: I can't believe there has been no chat about Apple's latest announcement this morning. Watch this video and tell me with a straight face that you don't want one yesterday: http://www.apple.com/ipad/ipad-video/#large Is this the coolest thing ever? I will get one for sure when it is available. Wi-Fi might be good enough for me, not sure I really need 3G. ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe
Re: [DUG] Apple iPad - OT
One thing I found interesting is that Apple is now going to be selling books... A new business for them... watch out Amazon. Regards Colin On 28/01/2010, at 11:56 AM, Alister Christie wrote: I have to say it looks pretty cool. My main concern is that they are going to get really popular and I'm going to have to start supporting it. Alister Christie Computers for People Ph: 04 471 1849 Fax: 04 471 1266 http://www.salespartner.co.nz PO Box 13085 Johnsonville Wellington Xander (GMail) wrote: I can't believe there has been no chat about Apple's latest announcement this morning. Watch this video and tell me with a straight face that you don't want one yesterday: http://www.apple.com/ipad/ipad-video/#large Is this the coolest thing ever? I will get one for sure when it is available. Wi-Fi might be good enough for me, not sure I really need 3G. ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe # Attention: The information in this email and in any attachments is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient then please do not distribute, copy or use this information. Please notify us immediately by return email and then delete the message from your computer. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author. ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe
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And no... it was not quite the Apple tablet PC/MacBook I was expecting... unless that is another development altogether On 28/01/2010, at 12:02 PM, Phil Scadden wrote: Is this the coolest thing ever? I will get one for sure when it is available. Wi-Fi might be good enough for me, not sure I really need 3G. What distinguishes this from oversized iTouch that really matters in your opinion? Is it really a full laptop replacement? Have you compared a tablet screen to an E-Ink screen for reading a book? -- Phil Scadden, Senior Scientist GNS Science Ltd 764 Cumberland St, Private Bag 1930, Dunedin, New Zealand Ph +64 3 4799663, fax +64 3 477 5232 Notice: This email and any attachments are confidential. If received in error please destroy and immediately notify us. Do not copy or disclose the contents. ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe # Attention: The information in this email and in any attachments is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient then please do not distribute, copy or use this information. Please notify us immediately by return email and then delete the message from your computer. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author. ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe
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I'm with you on this Alister . and when is someone going to 'crack it' to run linux (a version) on it.. Ian Drower Alister Christie wrote: I have to say it looks pretty cool. My main concern is that they are going to get really popular and I'm going to have to start supporting it. Alister Christie Computers for People Ph: 04 471 1849 Fax: 04 471 1266 http://www.salespartner.co.nz PO Box 13085 Johnsonville Wellington Xander (GMail) wrote: I can't believe there has been no chat about Apple's latest announcement this morning. Watch this video and tell me with a straight face that you don't want one yesterday: http://www.apple.com/ipad/ipad-video/#large Is this the coolest thing ever? I will get one for sure when it is available. Wi-Fi might be good enough for me, not sure I really need 3G. ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe
Re: [DUG] Apple iPad - OT
For $380.00 I just purchased a eeePC 1001HA ( http://www.asus.com/product.aspx?P_ID=O2gIMUVTCKmZUZt5). This has - Windows XP - WiFi (fast) - 160GB HD - Long battery life (4+ hours on mine if I keep the backlight low) - built in camera (skype) - Multi-touch pad (pinch/zoom/etc) - A real keyboard - quite a good one actually - light as - actually useful rather than cool. - runs all the programs I've thrown at it so far Oh, and I do also have an iPhone where I can get my daily allowance of cool before I need to do some real work :o) Steve Peacocke On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 9:26 AM, Xander (GMail) xander...@gmail.com wrote: I can't believe there has been no chat about Apple's latest announcement this morning. Watch this video and tell me with a straight face that you don't want one yesterday: http://www.apple.com/ipad/ipad-video/#large Is this the coolest thing ever? I will get one for sure when it is available. Wi-Fi might be good enough for me, not sure I really need 3G. ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe
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I like it.. if its not $4000 On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 12:10 PM, Steve Peacocke st...@peacocke.net wrote: For $380.00 I just purchased a eeePC 1001HA ( http://www.asus.com/product.aspx?P_ID=O2gIMUVTCKmZUZt5). This has - Windows XP - WiFi (fast) - 160GB HD - Long battery life (4+ hours on mine if I keep the backlight low) - built in camera (skype) - Multi-touch pad (pinch/zoom/etc) - A real keyboard - quite a good one actually - light as - actually useful rather than cool. - runs all the programs I've thrown at it so far Oh, and I do also have an iPhone where I can get my daily allowance of cool before I need to do some real work :o) Steve Peacocke On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 9:26 AM, Xander (GMail) xander...@gmail.comwrote: I can't believe there has been no chat about Apple's latest announcement this morning. Watch this video and tell me with a straight face that you don't want one yesterday: http://www.apple.com/ipad/ipad-video/#large Is this the coolest thing ever? I will get one for sure when it is available. Wi-Fi might be good enough for me, not sure I really need 3G. ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe -- Kyley Harris Harris Software +64-21-671-821 ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe
Re: [DUG] Apple iPad - OT
$499 Start price? I bet that = $2000NZD :D On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Kyley Harris ky...@harrissoftware.comwrote: I like it.. if its not $4000 On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 12:10 PM, Steve Peacocke st...@peacocke.netwrote: For $380.00 I just purchased a eeePC 1001HA ( http://www.asus.com/product.aspx?P_ID=O2gIMUVTCKmZUZt5). This has - Windows XP - WiFi (fast) - 160GB HD - Long battery life (4+ hours on mine if I keep the backlight low) - built in camera (skype) - Multi-touch pad (pinch/zoom/etc) - A real keyboard - quite a good one actually - light as - actually useful rather than cool. - runs all the programs I've thrown at it so far Oh, and I do also have an iPhone where I can get my daily allowance of cool before I need to do some real work :o) Steve Peacocke On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 9:26 AM, Xander (GMail) xander...@gmail.comwrote: I can't believe there has been no chat about Apple's latest announcement this morning. Watch this video and tell me with a straight face that you don't want one yesterday: http://www.apple.com/ipad/ipad-video/#large Is this the coolest thing ever? I will get one for sure when it is available. Wi-Fi might be good enough for me, not sure I really need 3G. ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe -- Kyley Harris Harris Software +64-21-671-821 -- Kyley Harris Harris Software +64-21-671-821 ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe
Re: [DUG] Apple iPad - OT
I think this is precisely the reason why it will be a runaway success (I have an iPhone too and always wanted a bigger screen version of the same) If you measure success purely in terms of *initial* sales/excitement. http://www.pcworld.com/article/187956/hands_on_with_the_apple_ipad.html But success is often more meaningfully measured in other ways I think. Longevity and customer satisfaction (as opposed to *grat*ification) to name just a few that immediately spring to mind. I have to wonder why anybody getting a hard-on for an iPad who recently bought a Windows laptop didn't instead buy a Windows tablet? Ah, because Acer Tablet isn't coool, and Microsoft are vil. Speaking for myself, I grew out of needing to acquire stuff, especially specific brands, simply to validate myself a LONG time ago. But impressionable minds with more money (scratch that, I mean: access to debt) than sense will contribute to Apple's bottom line handsomely, I'm sure. P.T. Barnum said all that needs to be said on this I think. I wonder whether the lack of multi-tasking is such a biggie? I don't miss that on the iPhone and I will be using it as a larger version of an iPod Touch really. If I need multi-tasking I use my laptop. -Original Message- From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi- boun...@delphi.org.nz] On Behalf Of Jeremy North Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 11:30 AM To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List Subject: Re: [DUG] Apple iPad - OT My reply to this on another forum. meh... best ever browsing experience (as long as the website doesn't need flash). Don't see the need for such a device. - 10 hour battery life isn't long enough considering the storage is solid state. - No multi-tasking. Custom processor is an interesting development though. It is an over sized iPhone (which is an ok phone - I have one), proven by the fact that it will scale up existing iphone apps to full screen if you want. The cheapest one will probably come out over here at $999 - given apples history of screwing us (which isn't unique to them). On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 9:26 AM, Xander (GMail) xander...@gmail.com wrote: I can't believe there has been no chat about Apple's latest announcement this morning. Watch this video and tell me with a straight face that you don't want one yesterday: http://www.apple.com/ipad/ipad-video/#large Is this the coolest thing ever? I will get one for sure when it is available. Wi-Fi might be good enough for me, not sure I really need 3G. ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe
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The first thing that went through my head when I looked at the apple ipad link that was posted was a flash back to the days when the first block telecom mobile phones came out. The same phones that linger in old ferraris still... I would love to see someone do a utube clip of a day in the life of someone with one of these. Walking through the CBD holding it under your arm, while everyone else is walking around with iphones... I wonder if poor people will strap an eePC in a backpack, and walk around with a 19 LCD widescreen, that would be even more impressive I like it.. if its not $4000 On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 12:10 PM, Steve Peacocke st...@peacocke.net wrote: For $380.00 I just purchased a eeePC 1001HA ( http://www.asus.com/product.aspx?P_ID=O2gIMUVTCKmZUZt5). This has - Windows XP - WiFi (fast) - 160GB HD - Long battery life (4+ hours on mine if I keep the backlight low) - built in camera (skype) - Multi-touch pad (pinch/zoom/etc) - A real keyboard - quite a good one actually - light as - actually useful rather than cool. - runs all the programs I've thrown at it so far Oh, and I do also have an iPhone where I can get my daily allowance of cool before I need to do some real work :o) Steve Peacocke On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 9:26 AM, Xander (GMail) xander...@gmail.comwrote: I can't believe there has been no chat about Apple's latest announcement this morning. Watch this video and tell me with a straight face that you don't want one yesterday: http://www.apple.com/ipad/ipad-video/#large Is this the coolest thing ever? I will get one for sure when it is available. Wi-Fi might be good enough for me, not sure I really need 3G. ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe -- Kyley Harris Harris Software +64-21-671-821 ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe
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Although it's going to be one more company selling DRM laden digital media. You'll only be able to read the books using apple software possibly on apple devices. There aren't many sources of DRM free books (that aren't free anyway) but both O'Reilly (http://oreilly.com/) and The Pragmatic Bookshelf (http://www.pragprog.com/) are doing this - which I have purchased a few. I hoping that APress will do the same shortly. I have a Sony PRS-600 which works great for .epub books - not really suited for .pdfs however (I think a higher res, bigger screen would be required). Alister Christie Computers for People Ph: 04 471 1849 Fax: 04 471 1266 http://www.salespartner.co.nz PO Box 13085 Johnsonville Wellington Colin Fraser wrote: One thing I found interesting is that Apple is now going to be selling books... A new business for them... watch out Amazon. Regards Colin On 28/01/2010, at 11:56 AM, Alister Christie wrote: I have to say it looks pretty cool. My main concern is that they are going to get really popular and I'm going to have to start supporting it. Alister Christie Computers for People Ph: 04 471 1849 Fax: 04 471 1266 http://www.salespartner.co.nz PO Box 13085 Johnsonville Wellington Xander (GMail) wrote: I can't believe there has been no chat about Apple's latest announcement this morning. Watch this video and tell me with a straight face that you don't want one yesterday: http://www.apple.com/ipad/ipad-video/#large Is this the coolest thing ever? I will get one for sure when it is available. Wi-Fi might be good enough for me, not sure I really need 3G. ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe # Attention: The information in this email and in any attachments is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient then please do not distribute, copy or use this information. Please notify us immediately by return email and then delete the message from your computer. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author. ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe
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E-Ink is pretty nice to read from - the contrast ratio is nowhere that of paper however. Alister Christie Computers for People Ph: 04 471 1849 Fax: 04 471 1266 http://www.salespartner.co.nz PO Box 13085 Johnsonville Wellington Phil Scadden wrote: Is this the coolest thing ever? I will get one for sure when it is available. Wi-Fi might be good enough for me, not sure I really need 3G. What distinguishes this from oversized iTouch that really matters in your opinion? Is it really a full laptop replacement? Have you compared a tablet screen to an E-Ink screen for reading a book? ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe
Re: [DUG] Apple iPad - OT
I think this is precisely the reason why it will be a runaway success (I have an iPhone too and always wanted a bigger screen version of the same) Right - so you are carrying this thing around instead of the phone?? I doubt it frankly. I've been thinking for a while about purchasing an eBook reader, but this makes so much more sense with the browsing and email capabilities built-in (and the color screen of course). It does? Have you tried reading a book on a laptop? E-Ink is much much easier to read. I wonder whether the lack of multi-tasking is such a biggie? I don't miss that on the iPhone and I will be using it as a larger version of an iPod Touch really. If I need multi-tasking I use my laptop. So you walk around with iphone, ipad and a laptop? Hmm. -- Phil Scadden, Senior Scientist GNS Science Ltd 764 Cumberland St, Private Bag 1930, Dunedin, New Zealand Ph +64 3 4799663, fax +64 3 477 5232 Notice: This email and any attachments are confidential. If received in error please destroy and immediately notify us. Do not copy or disclose the contents. ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe
Re: [DUG] Apple iPad - OT
For $380.00 I just purchased a eeePC 1001HA (http://www.asus.com/product.aspx?P_ID=O2gIMUVTCKmZUZt5). With you on this one. Useful enough to be only laptop needed when have big desktop as well -- Phil Scadden, Senior Scientist GNS Science Ltd 764 Cumberland St, Private Bag 1930, Dunedin, New Zealand Ph +64 3 4799663, fax +64 3 477 5232 Notice: This email and any attachments are confidential. If received in error please destroy and immediately notify us. Do not copy or disclose the contents. ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe
Re: [DUG] Apple iPad - OT
What distinguishes this from oversized iTouch that really matters in your opinion? Is it really a full laptop replacement? Have you compared a tablet screen to an E-Ink screen for reading a book? The distinguishing factor for me over the iPod Touch (or iPhone) is a decent size screen. That alone makes it worth while for me. Nope, I've not done the comparison, but the internet browsing ability is what I'm more interested in this over the standard eBook reader. Also, for me it is not a laptop replacement at all. I will mostly use to move around the house and browse the internet. Yes, I can do that with my laptop, but it will not be as convenient as with this device. Of course I don't need one, but it would be nice to have one :) -Original Message- From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] On Behalf Of Phil Scadden Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 12:02 PM To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List Subject: Re: [DUG] Apple iPad - OT Is this the coolest thing ever? I will get one for sure when it is available. Wi-Fi might be good enough for me, not sure I really need 3G. What distinguishes this from oversized iTouch that really matters in your opinion? Is it really a full laptop replacement? Have you compared a tablet screen to an E-Ink screen for reading a book? -- Phil Scadden, Senior Scientist GNS Science Ltd 764 Cumberland St, Private Bag 1930, Dunedin, New Zealand Ph +64 3 4799663, fax +64 3 477 5232 Notice: This email and any attachments are confidential. If received in error please destroy and immediately notify us. Do not copy or disclose the contents. ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe
Re: [DUG] OT : GoogleWave invites
Actually Steve, where did you get the 1001HA for $380? -- Phil Scadden, Senior Scientist GNS Science Ltd 764 Cumberland St, Private Bag 1930, Dunedin, New Zealand Ph +64 3 4799663, fax +64 3 477 5232 Notice: This email and any attachments are confidential. If received in error please destroy and immediately notify us. Do not copy or disclose the contents. ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe
Re: [DUG] Apple iPad - OT
What it would have potential as is a home automation device. Unfortunately being so locked into the apple way I doubt it would be usable as such a thing. Many home automation systems have had large touch screen remote devices for a while. Opus, Niles, Crestron, RTI, Control4 - systems are expensive though. On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 11:09 AM, Xander (GMail) xander...@gmail.com wrote: What distinguishes this from oversized iTouch that really matters in your opinion? Is it really a full laptop replacement? Have you compared a tablet screen to an E-Ink screen for reading a book? The distinguishing factor for me over the iPod Touch (or iPhone) is a decent size screen. That alone makes it worth while for me. Nope, I've not done the comparison, but the internet browsing ability is what I'm more interested in this over the standard eBook reader. Also, for me it is not a laptop replacement at all. I will mostly use to move around the house and browse the internet. Yes, I can do that with my laptop, but it will not be as convenient as with this device. Of course I don't need one, but it would be nice to have one :) -Original Message- From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] On Behalf Of Phil Scadden Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 12:02 PM To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List Subject: Re: [DUG] Apple iPad - OT Is this the coolest thing ever? I will get one for sure when it is available. Wi-Fi might be good enough for me, not sure I really need 3G. What distinguishes this from oversized iTouch that really matters in your opinion? Is it really a full laptop replacement? Have you compared a tablet screen to an E-Ink screen for reading a book? -- Phil Scadden, Senior Scientist GNS Science Ltd 764 Cumberland St, Private Bag 1930, Dunedin, New Zealand Ph +64 3 4799663, fax +64 3 477 5232 Notice: This email and any attachments are confidential. If received in error please destroy and immediately notify us. Do not copy or disclose the contents. ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe
Re: [DUG] 1001HA
Actually, that's AU$. http://www.wireless1.com.au/ProductListing.aspx?Code=ASU1001HA-BLK036XName=ASUS%201001HA-036X%20BLACKCategory=Notebooks%20%26%20Desktops+Netbooks+Asus http://www.wireless1.com.au/ProductListing.aspx?Code=ASU1001HA-BLK036XName=ASUS%201001HA-036X%20BLACKCategory=Notebooks%20%26%20Desktops+Netbooks+AsusI've had it for about 3 weeks now and its really proven its worth to me. My big laptop home computer has been switched on only once during that time. Steve Peacocke On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 11:11 AM, Phil Scadden p.scad...@gns.cri.nz wrote: Actually Steve, where did you get the 1001HA for $380? -- Phil Scadden, Senior Scientist GNS Science Ltd 764 Cumberland St, Private Bag 1930, Dunedin, New Zealand Ph +64 3 4799663, fax +64 3 477 5232 Notice: This email and any attachments are confidential. If received in error please destroy and immediately notify us. Do not copy or disclose the contents. ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe
Re: [DUG] Apple iPad - OT
For me it wouldn't be a laptop replacement, but for a large chunk of the population it could replace laptop/desktop. Many people just use computers for web/email and some casual gaming. Alister Christie Computers for People Ph: 04 471 1849 Fax: 04 471 1266 http://www.salespartner.co.nz PO Box 13085 Johnsonville Wellington Xander (GMail) wrote: What distinguishes this from oversized iTouch that really matters in your opinion? Is it really a full laptop replacement? Have you compared a tablet screen to an E-Ink screen for reading a book? The distinguishing factor for me over the iPod Touch (or iPhone) is a decent size screen. That alone makes it worth while for me. Nope, I've not done the comparison, but the internet browsing ability is what I'm more interested in this over the standard eBook reader. Also, for me it is not a laptop replacement at all. I will mostly use to move around the house and browse the internet. Yes, I can do that with my laptop, but it will not be as convenient as with this device. Of course I don't need one, but it would be nice to have one :) -Original Message- From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] On Behalf Of Phil Scadden Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 12:02 PM To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List Subject: Re: [DUG] Apple iPad - OT Is this the coolest thing ever? I will get one for sure when it is available. Wi-Fi might be good enough for me, not sure I really need 3G. What distinguishes this from oversized iTouch that really matters in your opinion? Is it really a full laptop replacement? Have you compared a tablet screen to an E-Ink screen for reading a book? ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe
Re: [DUG] Apple iPad - OT
for a large chunk of the population it could replace laptop/desktop. Many people just use computers for web/email and some casual gaming. ... and managing their music collection, organizing/uploading photos, videos etc etc ... If people only wanted a device for the limited things you suggest, then in the days even before email/the web etc were things that people might do at home on a PC, the *home*computer* would never have been supplanted by the IBM PC. As for the iPad itself, anything that requires more than trivial text input (like, emailing, naming/tagging/describing photos etc) is going to be unbearable on an iPad unless you attach a keyboard (sold separately) and a mount/stand (also sold separately) to hold it at an angle whist you type, at which point you've negated the mobile appeal and added to the cost. The middle space is defined by devices not adequately equipped for general purpose use, but not small enough to be carried in your pocket or used handheld for decent periods. There *is* a space defined by such devices, that's for sure. But is there any real *use* for such devices? At the price point likely to be hit by the iPad, it's not going to be much more expensive to step-up to a device that does everything an iPad can *and more*. But yes, the iPad will sell in droves. Just as Avatar has sold a metric bucket-load of tickets despite the overwhelming view being that the story is pedestrian, obvious and in many ways boring, but YOU HAVE TO SEE IT COS IT'S SOO CL !!! WOOT ! Colour me unconvinced. (coming soon the Google tablet ... even COOLER THAN AN IPAD!!! Cos it's like, ya know, an iPhone which is like, WAY COOL **AND** IT'S GOOGLE, which is like, ya know, even WAY WAY COOLERER!) (and yes, it'll be WAY COOLER even if, technically, it actually sucks, cos Google don't do evil pant pant drool) ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe
Re: [DUG] Apple iPad - OT
That sounds like a lot of rubbish without reasearch. My Child is 4 now. when she was 2 she learnt to use my iphone to scroll, navigate and take photos. she has learnt to type on my iphone. She is now 4 and can also use the movie and music player.. All of this was through intuitive use of the interface. She can still only just log into her $600 windows XP Laptop, and move the mouse, but she cant do ANYTHING Open your mind a bit to the fact that there are DROVES of people out there that dont need/ want or do what you want to do with a computer. I've used my iphone for 2 1/2 years now and the interface is excellent. email is quick and easy and I dont need to goto my computer most of the time. Day to day calendar tasks, and now mapping and getting phone numbers is far easier than a desktop. Most people don't need all the crap a modern desktop provides, or for the 90% of their use would rather have the iphone or tablet and sit at the desk on the Box only for a minimum of use. I have plenty of Laptops, cheap, expensive, large, small. my children cant use any and they are a PIA to open and close all the time to use in a car (as a passenger etc etc) There is and always will be a good use for this kind of technology. My 4 year old will be using that tablet in about 10 minutes flat and happy and productive on it. I will happily use it on the couch for email, and browsing and in bed so that I dont overheat and screw up my laptop and my knees. There is a time and place for every product. Just like I dont have 1 knife in the kitchen I dont expect one computer to do everything for me either. How many people commenting about iPhones and iPads and saying their little cheap laptop is better actually own both? and have used both for considerable time (ie months)? I have.. I've used and owned just about damn near every geek tool there was and wasted a fortune. the iPhone is an exceptional tool, and I think the iPad will be revolutionary.. the Google phone is a piece of junk to use in comparison. On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 2:32 PM, Jolyon Smith jsm...@deltics.co.nz wrote: for a large chunk of the population it could replace laptop/desktop. Many people just use computers for web/email and some casual gaming. ... and managing their music collection, organizing/uploading photos, videos etc etc ... If people only wanted a device for the limited things you suggest, then in the days even before email/the web etc were things that people might do at home on a PC, the *home*computer* would never have been supplanted by the IBM PC. As for the iPad itself, anything that requires more than trivial text input (like, emailing, naming/tagging/describing photos etc) is going to be unbearable on an iPad unless you attach a keyboard (sold separately) and a mount/stand (also sold separately) to hold it at an angle whist you type, at which point you've negated the mobile appeal and added to the cost. The middle space is defined by devices not adequately equipped for general purpose use, but not small enough to be carried in your pocket or used handheld for decent periods. There *is* a space defined by such devices, that's for sure. But is there any real *use* for such devices? At the price point likely to be hit by the iPad, it's not going to be much more expensive to step-up to a device that does everything an iPad can *and more*. But yes, the iPad will sell in droves. Just as Avatar has sold a metric bucket-load of tickets despite the overwhelming view being that the story is pedestrian, obvious and in many ways boring, but YOU HAVE TO SEE IT COS IT'S SOO CL !!! WOOT ! Colour me unconvinced. (coming soon the Google tablet ... even COOLER THAN AN IPAD!!! Cos it's like, ya know, an iPhone which is like, WAY COOL **AND** IT'S GOOGLE, which is like, ya know, even WAY WAY COOLERER!) (and yes, it'll be WAY COOLER even if, technically, it actually sucks, cos Google don't do evil pant pant drool) ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe -- Kyley Harris Harris Software +64-21-671-821 ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe
Re: [DUG] Apple iPad - OT
You can be as negative as you like, point in fact is that the iPhone works very, very well for what it does. Yes, one can say it is cool, but more importantly, functionally it just works. And I'm not generally an Apple fan as I would for example never buy one of their Macs or Notebooks. But let's give credit where it is due. And I predict the same for the iPad as it is building on an already successful story. From a development perspective on the other hand I would far rather support Android due to the relative openness of the platform. But that is another story. -Original Message- From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] On Behalf Of Jolyon Smith Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 2:32 PM To: 'NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List' Subject: Re: [DUG] Apple iPad - OT for a large chunk of the population it could replace laptop/desktop. Many people just use computers for web/email and some casual gaming. ... and managing their music collection, organizing/uploading photos, videos etc etc ... If people only wanted a device for the limited things you suggest, then in the days even before email/the web etc were things that people might do at home on a PC, the *home*computer* would never have been supplanted by the IBM PC. As for the iPad itself, anything that requires more than trivial text input (like, emailing, naming/tagging/describing photos etc) is going to be unbearable on an iPad unless you attach a keyboard (sold separately) and a mount/stand (also sold separately) to hold it at an angle whist you type, at which point you've negated the mobile appeal and added to the cost. The middle space is defined by devices not adequately equipped for general purpose use, but not small enough to be carried in your pocket or used handheld for decent periods. There *is* a space defined by such devices, that's for sure. But is there any real *use* for such devices? At the price point likely to be hit by the iPad, it's not going to be much more expensive to step-up to a device that does everything an iPad can *and more*. But yes, the iPad will sell in droves. Just as Avatar has sold a metric bucket-load of tickets despite the overwhelming view being that the story is pedestrian, obvious and in many ways boring, but YOU HAVE TO SEE IT COS IT'S SOO CL !!! WOOT ! Colour me unconvinced. (coming soon the Google tablet ... even COOLER THAN AN IPAD!!! Cos it's like, ya know, an iPhone which is like, WAY COOL **AND** IT'S GOOGLE, which is like, ya know, even WAY WAY COOLERER!) (and yes, it'll be WAY COOLER even if, technically, it actually sucks, cos Google don't do evil pant pant drool) ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe
Re: [DUG] Apple iPad - OT
This is still just anecdotal and not research. Your child learnt the iphone cause she spent more time on it than your pc/laptop. I don't have an iphone but I have a 2 year daughter. She turns on my computer speakers, and she uses the mouse to click lots of youtube icons on my desktop so she can watch row row row your boat and the like. Be it pc or iphone I don't see how it can be intuitive to them as they have no reference point to go on - it is simply that they are shown it or spend time figuring it out which they do a lot faster than us. Good luck to anyone that buys a IPad for their 5 year old. Sure they will be able to figure it out after a while and have great fun with it - until they drop it, put it on a wet table, stick things in the plugs, spill drink on it, rub food on it, leave it for the baby sister to use as a teething toy. Even for myself these items are just are not rugged enough to use as carry round devices. The convenience of having an IPad lying around my house for use when needed is mitigated by the fact that I have to be careful with it. I cant just leave it lying on my couch. Ill satisfy myself with walking to one of the nice big LCD screens around my house like my tv and using the power of a full computer from there.. cameron From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] On Behalf Of Kyley Harris Sent: Thursday, 28 January 2010 2:43 p.m. To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List Subject: Re: [DUG] Apple iPad - OT That sounds like a lot of rubbish without reasearch. My Child is 4 now. when she was 2 she learnt to use my iphone to scroll, navigate and take photos. she has learnt to type on my iphone. She is now 4 and can also use the movie and music player.. All of this was through intuitive use of the interface. She can still only just log into her $600 windows XP Laptop, and move the mouse, but she cant do ANYTHING Open your mind a bit to the fact that there are DROVES of people out there that dont need/ want or do what you want to do with a computer. I've used my iphone for 2 1/2 years now and the interface is excellent. email is quick and easy and I dont need to goto my computer most of the time. Day to day calendar tasks, and now mapping and getting phone numbers is far easier than a desktop. Most people don't need all the crap a modern desktop provides, or for the 90% of their use would rather have the iphone or tablet and sit at the desk on the Box only for a minimum of use. I have plenty of Laptops, cheap, expensive, large, small. my children cant use any and they are a PIA to open and close all the time to use in a car (as a passenger etc etc) There is and always will be a good use for this kind of technology. My 4 year old will be using that tablet in about 10 minutes flat and happy and productive on it. I will happily use it on the couch for email, and browsing and in bed so that I dont overheat and screw up my laptop and my knees. There is a time and place for every product. Just like I dont have 1 knife in the kitchen I dont expect one computer to do everything for me either. How many people commenting about iPhones and iPads and saying their little cheap laptop is better actually own both? and have used both for considerable time (ie months)? I have.. I've used and owned just about damn near every geek tool there was and wasted a fortune. the iPhone is an exceptional tool, and I think the iPad will be revolutionary.. the Google phone is a piece of junk to use in comparison. On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 2:32 PM, Jolyon Smith jsm...@deltics.co.nz wrote: for a large chunk of the population it could replace laptop/desktop. Many people just use computers for web/email and some casual gaming. ... and managing their music collection, organizing/uploading photos, videos etc etc ... If people only wanted a device for the limited things you suggest, then in the days even before email/the web etc were things that people might do at home on a PC, the *home*computer* would never have been supplanted by the IBM PC. As for the iPad itself, anything that requires more than trivial text input (like, emailing, naming/tagging/describing photos etc) is going to be unbearable on an iPad unless you attach a keyboard (sold separately) and a mount/stand (also sold separately) to hold it at an angle whist you type, at which point you've negated the mobile appeal and added to the cost. The middle space is defined by devices not adequately equipped for general purpose use, but not small enough to be carried in your pocket or used handheld for decent periods. There *is* a space defined by such devices, that's for sure. But is there any real *use* for such devices? At the price point likely to be hit by the iPad, it's not going to be much more expensive to step-up to a device that does everything an iPad can *and more*. But yes, the iPad will sell in droves. Just as Avatar has sold
Re: [DUG] Apple iPad - OT
I think you are misreading my comments. -Original Message- From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] On Behalf Of Phil Scadden Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 1:04 PM To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List Subject: Re: [DUG] Apple iPad - OT I think this is precisely the reason why it will be a runaway success (I have an iPhone too and always wanted a bigger screen version of the same) Right - so you are carrying this thing around instead of the phone?? I doubt it frankly. I've been thinking for a while about purchasing an eBook reader, but this makes so much more sense with the browsing and email capabilities built-in (and the color screen of course). It does? Have you tried reading a book on a laptop? E-Ink is much much easier to read. I wonder whether the lack of multi-tasking is such a biggie? I don't miss that on the iPhone and I will be using it as a larger version of an iPod Touch really. If I need multi-tasking I use my laptop. So you walk around with iphone, ipad and a laptop? Hmm. -- Phil Scadden, Senior Scientist GNS Science Ltd 764 Cumberland St, Private Bag 1930, Dunedin, New Zealand Ph +64 3 4799663, fax +64 3 477 5232 Notice: This email and any attachments are confidential. If received in error please destroy and immediately notify us. Do not copy or disclose the contents. ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe
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I have a similar experience with my toddler/young children finding it very easy to use the iPhone (albeit mainly for little toddler games). I've seen/read about the same in many places, in fact I only got an iPhone after seeing a friend's 2 year old scrolling around it to run her favourite game! I think the fact that for children the iPhone appears to be by far the EASIEST piece of advanced technology to master says something about Apples skills in building extraordinary user interfaces. That doesn't mean that Apple are the be all and end all. Their propensity to lock things down is crazy, they make the so called evil empire (Microsoft) look like a very benevolent overlord in comparison. They also charge pretty serious money, mainly because they can (due to the afore mentioned design skills!). Interesting discussion btw. From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] On Behalf Of Kyley Harris Sent: Thursday, 28 January 2010 2:43 p.m. To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List Subject: Re: [DUG] Apple iPad - OT That sounds like a lot of rubbish without reasearch. My Child is 4 now. when she was 2 she learnt to use my iphone to scroll, navigate and take photos. she has learnt to type on my iphone. She is now 4 and can also use the movie and music player.. All of this was through intuitive use of the interface. She can still only just log into her $600 windows XP Laptop, and move the mouse, but she cant do ANYTHING Open your mind a bit to the fact that there are DROVES of people out there that dont need/ want or do what you want to do with a computer. I've used my iphone for 2 1/2 years now and the interface is excellent. email is quick and easy and I dont need to goto my computer most of the time. Day to day calendar tasks, and now mapping and getting phone numbers is far easier than a desktop. Most people don't need all the crap a modern desktop provides, or for the 90% of their use would rather have the iphone or tablet and sit at the desk on the Box only for a minimum of use. I have plenty of Laptops, cheap, expensive, large, small. my children cant use any and they are a PIA to open and close all the time to use in a car (as a passenger etc etc) There is and always will be a good use for this kind of technology. My 4 year old will be using that tablet in about 10 minutes flat and happy and productive on it. I will happily use it on the couch for email, and browsing and in bed so that I dont overheat and screw up my laptop and my knees. There is a time and place for every product. Just like I dont have 1 knife in the kitchen I dont expect one computer to do everything for me either. How many people commenting about iPhones and iPads and saying their little cheap laptop is better actually own both? and have used both for considerable time (ie months)? I have.. I've used and owned just about damn near every geek tool there was and wasted a fortune. the iPhone is an exceptional tool, and I think the iPad will be revolutionary.. the Google phone is a piece of junk to use in comparison. On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 2:32 PM, Jolyon Smith jsm...@deltics.co.nz wrote: for a large chunk of the population it could replace laptop/desktop. Many people just use computers for web/email and some casual gaming. ... and managing their music collection, organizing/uploading photos, videos etc etc ... If people only wanted a device for the limited things you suggest, then in the days even before email/the web etc were things that people might do at home on a PC, the *home*computer* would never have been supplanted by the IBM PC. As for the iPad itself, anything that requires more than trivial text input (like, emailing, naming/tagging/describing photos etc) is going to be unbearable on an iPad unless you attach a keyboard (sold separately) and a mount/stand (also sold separately) to hold it at an angle whist you type, at which point you've negated the mobile appeal and added to the cost. The middle space is defined by devices not adequately equipped for general purpose use, but not small enough to be carried in your pocket or used handheld for decent periods. There *is* a space defined by such devices, that's for sure. But is there any real *use* for such devices? At the price point likely to be hit by the iPad, it's not going to be much more expensive to step-up to a device that does everything an iPad can *and more*. But yes, the iPad will sell in droves. Just as Avatar has sold a metric bucket-load of tickets despite the overwhelming view being that the story is pedestrian, obvious and in many ways boring, but YOU HAVE TO SEE IT COS IT'S SOO CL !!! WOOT ! Colour me unconvinced. (coming soon the Google tablet ... even COOLER THAN AN IPAD!!! Cos it's like, ya know, an iPhone which is like, WAY COOL **AND** IT'S GOOGLE, which is like, ya know, even WAY WAY COOLERER!) (and yes, it'll be
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This is still just anecdotal and not research. Your child learnt the iphone cause she spent more time on it than your pc/laptop. My daughter has her own asus eee and has had it for 2 years. she uses it every day. yet the keyboard and mouse open the system to be counter intuitive to anyone that cannot read. Putting a few things on the screen to click on doesn't prevent her accidentally wiping your computer by tapping the wrong keys? the touch screen and hand movement interface is easy to learn. its restrictive nature makes it more controllable. Your child accidentally clicks the mouse on the wrong program in windows and all sorts of bad things happen and they dont know whats going on. Single app interfaces prevent this confusion completely. She spent 2 years on the laptop.. she spent about 10 minutes on the iphone.. for 2 years she has watched me type and set up the computer but she cannot because she cant read. she watches me use the iphone for a few minutes and the gestures and images are clear and simple to follow.. it is not annecdotal, and it is research. my brothers children, aged 2 and 3 can also both use an iphone for music etc.. they cannot navigate and use a computer without supervision. She can login and type her password.. then its all just guess work with windows if you cant read. On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 3:27 PM, Xander (GMail) xander...@gmail.com wrote: I think you are misreading my comments. -Original Message- From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] On Behalf Of Phil Scadden Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 1:04 PM To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List Subject: Re: [DUG] Apple iPad - OT I think this is precisely the reason why it will be a runaway success (I have an iPhone too and always wanted a bigger screen version of the same) Right - so you are carrying this thing around instead of the phone?? I doubt it frankly. I've been thinking for a while about purchasing an eBook reader, but this makes so much more sense with the browsing and email capabilities built-in (and the color screen of course). It does? Have you tried reading a book on a laptop? E-Ink is much much easier to read. I wonder whether the lack of multi-tasking is such a biggie? I don't miss that on the iPhone and I will be using it as a larger version of an iPod Touch really. If I need multi-tasking I use my laptop. So you walk around with iphone, ipad and a laptop? Hmm. -- Phil Scadden, Senior Scientist GNS Science Ltd 764 Cumberland St, Private Bag 1930, Dunedin, New Zealand Ph +64 3 4799663, fax +64 3 477 5232 Notice: This email and any attachments are confidential. If received in error please destroy and immediately notify us. Do not copy or disclose the contents. ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe -- Kyley Harris Harris Software +64-21-671-821 ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe
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I agree David.. although the lock down doesn't exist anymore the latest iphone is full open SDK and the amount of cheap quality and free apps by 3rd party is exceptional and very high quality. no product is ever the be all and end all. but I can guarantee that my children and grandparents will take an iphone or ipad over a desktop any day of the week.. they can learn it easily, just like the old palm pilots. Technology made simple is an excellent concept (if limiting to people who like to delve into advanced areas) On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 3:34 PM, David Brennan dugda...@dbsolutions.co.nzwrote: I have a similar experience with my toddler/young children finding it very easy to use the iPhone (albeit mainly for little toddler games). I’ve seen/read about the same in many places, in fact I only got an iPhone after seeing a friend’s 2 year old scrolling around it to run her favourite game! I think the fact that for children the iPhone appears to be by far the EASIEST piece of advanced technology to master says something about Apples skills in building extraordinary user interfaces. That doesn’t mean that Apple are the be all and end all. Their propensity to lock things down is crazy, they make the so called evil empire (Microsoft) look like a very benevolent overlord in comparison. They also charge pretty serious money, mainly because they can (due to the afore mentioned design skills!). Interesting discussion btw. *From:* delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] *On Behalf Of *Kyley Harris *Sent:* Thursday, 28 January 2010 2:43 p.m. *To:* NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List *Subject:* Re: [DUG] Apple iPad - OT That sounds like a lot of rubbish without reasearch. My Child is 4 now. when she was 2 she learnt to use my iphone to scroll, navigate and take photos. she has learnt to type on my iphone. She is now 4 and can also use the movie and music player.. All of this was through intuitive use of the interface. She can still only just log into her $600 windows XP Laptop, and move the mouse, but she cant do ANYTHING Open your mind a bit to the fact that there are DROVES of people out there that dont need/ want or do what you want to do with a computer. I've used my iphone for 2 1/2 years now and the interface is excellent. email is quick and easy and I dont need to goto my computer most of the time. Day to day calendar tasks, and now mapping and getting phone numbers is far easier than a desktop. Most people don't need all the crap a modern desktop provides, or for the 90% of their use would rather have the iphone or tablet and sit at the desk on the Box only for a minimum of use. I have plenty of Laptops, cheap, expensive, large, small. my children cant use any and they are a PIA to open and close all the time to use in a car (as a passenger etc etc) There is and always will be a good use for this kind of technology. My 4 year old will be using that tablet in about 10 minutes flat and happy and productive on it. I will happily use it on the couch for email, and browsing and in bed so that I dont overheat and screw up my laptop and my knees. There is a time and place for every product. Just like I dont have 1 knife in the kitchen I dont expect one computer to do everything for me either. How many people commenting about iPhones and iPads and saying their little cheap laptop is better actually own both? and have used both for considerable time (ie months)? I have.. I've used and owned just about damn near every geek tool there was and wasted a fortune. the iPhone is an exceptional tool, and I think the iPad will be revolutionary.. the Google phone is a piece of junk to use in comparison. On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 2:32 PM, Jolyon Smith jsm...@deltics.co.nz wrote: for a large chunk of the population it could replace laptop/desktop. Many people just use computers for web/email and some casual gaming. ... and managing their music collection, organizing/uploading photos, videos etc etc ... If people only wanted a device for the limited things you suggest, then in the days even before email/the web etc were things that people might do at home on a PC, the *home*computer* would never have been supplanted by the IBM PC. As for the iPad itself, anything that requires more than trivial text input (like, emailing, naming/tagging/describing photos etc) is going to be unbearable on an iPad unless you attach a keyboard (sold separately) and a mount/stand (also sold separately) to hold it at an angle whist you type, at which point you've negated the mobile appeal and added to the cost. The middle space is defined by devices not adequately equipped for general purpose use, but not small enough to be carried in your pocket or used handheld for decent periods. There *is* a space defined by such devices, that's for sure. But is there any real *use* for such
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I hadn't realized that it is negative to simply observe what has occurred and extrapolate from that. Similarly although I may not have paid a panel of independent experts to gather data for me, I am quite capable of looking around myself and making observations based on my own direct experience. I don't deny the iPhone is popular, but a lot of other phones are just as popular and many are still more popular. The simple truth is that for most people with an iPhone it's just a cool phone. I simply don't see the revolution that seems to be ascribed to it any more than an extremely popular new burger at McDonalds marks a revolution in commercial catering. Ditto the iPad. Tablets are not new. Affordable tablets are not new. The difference between an iPad and an iPhone however is that once the h cool has worn off an iPhone, you're still left with a usable and indeed more than competent phone. With an iPad though, you are left with something that isn't as useful or indeed convenient as a laptop but neither is it as portable as a handheld or as well designed for a specific purpose as a specialized devices such as an e-reader. As compared with a laptop or even a netbook, with a tablet you have to hold a not inconsiderable weight in your hand (aiui 1.5 lb in the case of an iPad - well over 0.5 kg) to use it. And typing one handed whilst handheld the hand holding the device will require strength than required to simply hold the device in order to provide the resistance for the hand typing on the screen. A laptop can be rested on your, uh, lap, desk, floor, coffee table, where-ever with the keyboard in a comfortable position and the screen tilted to suit. Anyone that has owned a tablet will tell you that a tablet doesn't work well on your lap, on a desk etc. How many people drooling over an iPad have actually tried living with a tablet before? I have. As I said, I have a tablet PC - the tablet functionality was initially cool, interesting and exciting... but it quickly wore off and stopped being used as a tablet within 6 months. So you'll have to forgive me if I have a little too much personally informed skepticism. But I would ask, what research informs the contra view that the iPad is going to be anything more than a fad? Albeit a fast selling fad, perhaps. Just because Apple came up with it, and they never get things wrong? They always pick the right time to bring a product to market? Or find ways to develop markets for their products? Who remembers the Newton? Or is it the magic tough of Steve Jobs? Who remembers NeXT? -Original Message- From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi- boun...@delphi.org.nz] On Behalf Of Xander (GMail) Sent: Thursday, 28 January 2010 2:46 p.m. To: 'NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List' Subject: Re: [DUG] Apple iPad - OT You can be as negative as you like, point in fact is that the iPhone works very, very well for what it does. Yes, one can say it is cool, but more importantly, functionally it just works. And I'm not generally an Apple fan as I would for example never buy one of their Macs or Notebooks. But let's give credit where it is due. And I predict the same for the iPad as it is building on an already successful story. From a development perspective on the other hand I would far rather support Android due to the relative openness of the platform. But that is another story. -Original Message- From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi- boun...@delphi.org.nz] On Behalf Of Jolyon Smith Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 2:32 PM To: 'NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List' Subject: Re: [DUG] Apple iPad - OT for a large chunk of the population it could replace laptop/desktop. Many people just use computers for web/email and some casual gaming. ... and managing their music collection, organizing/uploading photos, videos etc etc ... If people only wanted a device for the limited things you suggest, then in the days even before email/the web etc were things that people might do at home on a PC, the *home*computer* would never have been supplanted by the IBM PC. As for the iPad itself, anything that requires more than trivial text input (like, emailing, naming/tagging/describing photos etc) is going to be unbearable on an iPad unless you attach a keyboard (sold separately) and a mount/stand (also sold separately) to hold it at an angle whist you type, at which point you've negated the mobile appeal and added to the cost. The middle space is defined by devices not adequately equipped for general purpose use, but not small enough to be carried in your pocket or used handheld for decent periods. There *is* a space defined by such devices, that's for sure. But is there any real *use* for such devices? At the price point likely to be hit by the iPad, it's not going to be much more expensive to step-up to a device that does everything an
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On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Kyley Harris ky...@harrissoftware.comwrote: no product is ever the be all and end all. but I can guarantee that my children and grandparents will take an iphone or ipad over a desktop any day of the week.. they can learn it easily, just like the old palm pilots. Technology made simple is an excellent concept (if limiting to people who like to delve into advanced areas) I have had palm pilots, psion, apple, PC, iPhone, Blackberry, you name it. All have their uses however its always back to the workhorse computer for doing business. Yes, my iPhone has things like tasks, outliners, notes, email, browser, mindmapping, maps, even my bible is on there, but I still drop straight back into a PC (albeit the eeePC now) whenever I need to get some serious work or typing done. I can do quick email replies but get to the computer for anything thoughtful. For example, I read this post on the iPhone, but went straight to the PC to type out the reply as it was more than a simple couple of lines. I doubt very much if it will be the iPad vs the PC as the discussion has been - it's more likely to be the iPhone or iPad PLUS the PC. Just because something is easy to use, doesn't make it automatically better. Why would you learn to drive a car when riding a bike, or even walking is much easier to do? Steve Peacocke ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe
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Yep, but most people who buy the ipad wont be getting it for business use. they are filling a void in the home media arena of people that like computers but dont rely on them for income. Your comment about Cars and bikes is valid.. but then I'd say.. why do people get a 4x4 for their boat, and a little toyota corrolla for town.. its because they realise trying to get one for all purposes is silly, but getting two vehicles each for the right purpose is a good idea. Trying to look at an iPad as a replacement is the wrong way to go. its simply a good simple alternative for use in a specific way. when I am at home (after the 12 hour day at the desktop computer) I still use a computer, but mostly for youtube, web browsing, photos and movies. a tablet is perfect for that while I sit in bed or the couch.. a laptop is not perfect at all. Each to their own I think thats the beauty of personal preference. Jolyon commented on being called negative.. its not negative to have a view.. its only negative to put down the opposite view by referring to it in a less than desirable manner. Some people want a 60 plasma TV for $5000, some people will take the 32 tv plus an iPad and a laptop.. its all about choices. I expect the iPad will be a very good tool and I'll buy one.. until I actually have one I cant say much more about it :) On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 3:55 PM, Steve Peacocke st...@peacocke.net wrote: On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Kyley Harris ky...@harrissoftware.comwrote: no product is ever the be all and end all. but I can guarantee that my children and grandparents will take an iphone or ipad over a desktop any day of the week.. they can learn it easily, just like the old palm pilots. Technology made simple is an excellent concept (if limiting to people who like to delve into advanced areas) I have had palm pilots, psion, apple, PC, iPhone, Blackberry, you name it. All have their uses however its always back to the workhorse computer for doing business. Yes, my iPhone has things like tasks, outliners, notes, email, browser, mindmapping, maps, even my bible is on there, but I still drop straight back into a PC (albeit the eeePC now) whenever I need to get some serious work or typing done. I can do quick email replies but get to the computer for anything thoughtful. For example, I read this post on the iPhone, but went straight to the PC to type out the reply as it was more than a simple couple of lines. I doubt very much if it will be the iPad vs the PC as the discussion has been - it's more likely to be the iPhone or iPad PLUS the PC. Just because something is easy to use, doesn't make it automatically better. Why would you learn to drive a car when riding a bike, or even walking is much easier to do? Steve Peacocke ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe -- Kyley Harris Harris Software +64-21-671-821 ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe
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Had to laugh :o) You started out by saying Yes, but and then went on listing a number of points that supported what I was saying. I think you were saying yes, but you're right. :o) Steve Peacocke On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 2:04 PM, Kyley Harris ky...@harrissoftware.comwrote: Yep, but most people who buy the ipad wont be getting it for business use. they are filling a void in the home media arena of people that like computers but dont rely on them for income. Your comment about Cars and bikes is valid.. but then I'd say.. why do people get a 4x4 for their boat, and a little toyota corrolla for town.. its because they realise trying to get one for all purposes is silly, but getting two vehicles each for the right purpose is a good idea. Trying to look at an iPad as a replacement is the wrong way to go. its simply a good simple alternative for use in a specific way. when I am at home (after the 12 hour day at the desktop computer) I still use a computer, but mostly for youtube, web browsing, photos and movies. a tablet is perfect for that while I sit in bed or the couch.. a laptop is not perfect at all. Each to their own I think thats the beauty of personal preference. Jolyon commented on being called negative.. its not negative to have a view.. its only negative to put down the opposite view by referring to it in a less than desirable manner. Some people want a 60 plasma TV for $5000, some people will take the 32 tv plus an iPad and a laptop.. its all about choices. I expect the iPad will be a very good tool and I'll buy one.. until I actually have one I cant say much more about it :) On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 3:55 PM, Steve Peacocke st...@peacocke.netwrote: On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Kyley Harris ky...@harrissoftware.comwrote: no product is ever the be all and end all. but I can guarantee that my children and grandparents will take an iphone or ipad over a desktop any day of the week.. they can learn it easily, just like the old palm pilots. Technology made simple is an excellent concept (if limiting to people who like to delve into advanced areas) I have had palm pilots, psion, apple, PC, iPhone, Blackberry, you name it. All have their uses however its always back to the workhorse computer for doing business. Yes, my iPhone has things like tasks, outliners, notes, email, browser, mindmapping, maps, even my bible is on there, but I still drop straight back into a PC (albeit the eeePC now) whenever I need to get some serious work or typing done. I can do quick email replies but get to the computer for anything thoughtful. For example, I read this post on the iPhone, but went straight to the PC to type out the reply as it was more than a simple couple of lines. I doubt very much if it will be the iPad vs the PC as the discussion has been - it's more likely to be the iPhone or iPad PLUS the PC. Just because something is easy to use, doesn't make it automatically better. Why would you learn to drive a car when riding a bike, or even walking is much easier to do? Steve Peacocke ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe -- Kyley Harris Harris Software +64-21-671-821 ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe
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Relevance to Delphi - Whether its Symbian or iPhone or Android these devices are starting to rival desktop OS's as to the sheer number of people running them, and for developers to write for. Whether these are making an end-run around Windows is another debate. But I would love the ability to write at least some kind of stock standard VCL apps for them in Delphi. The touch interface in latest Delphi is a big step in this direction... In a way I don't really care about writing Delphi apps for OSX or linux, but the big growing market is iPhone and Android.. Ironically one of the formal advantages of Pascal is that it may have a head start in being cross compiled to other platforms due to its formal design... Will we see ability to cross compile Delphi to Android/iPhone/iPad anytime soon? John I don't deny the iPhone is popular, but a lot of other phones are just as popular and many are still more popular. ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe
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And the research that says the iPad will be the revolutionary device some think it will is . where ? And where did you get your time machine in order to travel forward in time so that you know they are right and that opinion informed by personal experience is less valid? Just wondering . ? J From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] On Behalf Of Kyley Harris Sent: Thursday, 28 January 2010 3:36 p.m. To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List Subject: Re: [DUG] Apple iPad - OT This is still just anecdotal and not research. Your child learnt the iphone cause she spent more time on it than your pc/laptop. My daughter has her own asus eee and has had it for 2 years. she uses it every day. yet the keyboard and mouse open the system to be counter intuitive to anyone that cannot read. Putting a few things on the screen to click on doesn't prevent her accidentally wiping your computer by tapping the wrong keys? the touch screen and hand movement interface is easy to learn. its restrictive nature makes it more controllable. Your child accidentally clicks the mouse on the wrong program in windows and all sorts of bad things happen and they dont know whats going on. Single app interfaces prevent this confusion completely. She spent 2 years on the laptop.. she spent about 10 minutes on the iphone.. for 2 years she has watched me type and set up the computer but she cannot because she cant read. she watches me use the iphone for a few minutes and the gestures and images are clear and simple to follow.. it is not annecdotal, and it is research. my brothers children, aged 2 and 3 can also both use an iphone for music etc.. they cannot navigate and use a computer without supervision. She can login and type her password.. then its all just guess work with windows if you cant read. On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 3:27 PM, Xander (GMail) xander...@gmail.com wrote: I think you are misreading my comments. -Original Message- From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] On Behalf Of Phil Scadden Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 1:04 PM To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List Subject: Re: [DUG] Apple iPad - OT I think this is precisely the reason why it will be a runaway success (I have an iPhone too and always wanted a bigger screen version of the same) Right - so you are carrying this thing around instead of the phone?? I doubt it frankly. I've been thinking for a while about purchasing an eBook reader, but this makes so much more sense with the browsing and email capabilities built-in (and the color screen of course). It does? Have you tried reading a book on a laptop? E-Ink is much much easier to read. I wonder whether the lack of multi-tasking is such a biggie? I don't miss that on the iPhone and I will be using it as a larger version of an iPod Touch really. If I need multi-tasking I use my laptop. So you walk around with iphone, ipad and a laptop? Hmm. -- Phil Scadden, Senior Scientist GNS Science Ltd 764 Cumberland St, Private Bag 1930, Dunedin, New Zealand Ph +64 3 4799663, fax +64 3 477 5232 Notice: This email and any attachments are confidential. If received in error please destroy and immediately notify us. Do not copy or disclose the contents. ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe -- Kyley Harris Harris Software +64-21-671-821 ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe
Re: [DUG] Apple iPad - OT
Good post Steve! And this I think is the point. an iPad fills the middle space between two devices that most people will still have need for once the cool has faded/jaded. Extending your modes of transport analogy.. If I have uses for both a car and a push bike, why would I buy a moped ? From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] On Behalf Of Steve Peacocke Sent: Thursday, 28 January 2010 3:55 p.m. To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List Subject: Re: [DUG] Apple iPad - OT On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Kyley Harris ky...@harrissoftware.com wrote: no product is ever the be all and end all. but I can guarantee that my children and grandparents will take an iphone or ipad over a desktop any day of the week.. they can learn it easily, just like the old palm pilots. Technology made simple is an excellent concept (if limiting to people who like to delve into advanced areas) I have had palm pilots, psion, apple, PC, iPhone, Blackberry, you name it. All have their uses however its always back to the workhorse computer for doing business. Yes, my iPhone has things like tasks, outliners, notes, email, browser, mindmapping, maps, even my bible is on there, but I still drop straight back into a PC (albeit the eeePC now) whenever I need to get some serious work or typing done. I can do quick email replies but get to the computer for anything thoughtful. For example, I read this post on the iPhone, but went straight to the PC to type out the reply as it was more than a simple couple of lines. I doubt very much if it will be the iPad vs the PC as the discussion has been - it's more likely to be the iPhone or iPad PLUS the PC. Just because something is easy to use, doesn't make it automatically better. Why would you learn to drive a car when riding a bike, or even walking is much easier to do? Steve Peacocke ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe
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The truth is.. we are all correct in our fashion :) I was agreeing with you.. with some ammendments.. We will have to parse it through the politicians to truly get something we cannot understand. On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 4:13 PM, Steve Peacocke st...@peacocke.net wrote: Had to laugh :o) You started out by saying Yes, but and then went on listing a number of points that supported what I was saying. I think you were saying yes, but you're right. :o) Steve Peacocke On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 2:04 PM, Kyley Harris ky...@harrissoftware.comwrote: Yep, but most people who buy the ipad wont be getting it for business use. they are filling a void in the home media arena of people that like computers but dont rely on them for income. Your comment about Cars and bikes is valid.. but then I'd say.. why do people get a 4x4 for their boat, and a little toyota corrolla for town.. its because they realise trying to get one for all purposes is silly, but getting two vehicles each for the right purpose is a good idea. Trying to look at an iPad as a replacement is the wrong way to go. its simply a good simple alternative for use in a specific way. when I am at home (after the 12 hour day at the desktop computer) I still use a computer, but mostly for youtube, web browsing, photos and movies. a tablet is perfect for that while I sit in bed or the couch.. a laptop is not perfect at all. Each to their own I think thats the beauty of personal preference. Jolyon commented on being called negative.. its not negative to have a view.. its only negative to put down the opposite view by referring to it in a less than desirable manner. Some people want a 60 plasma TV for $5000, some people will take the 32 tv plus an iPad and a laptop.. its all about choices. I expect the iPad will be a very good tool and I'll buy one.. until I actually have one I cant say much more about it :) On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 3:55 PM, Steve Peacocke st...@peacocke.netwrote: On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Kyley Harris ky...@harrissoftware.comwrote: no product is ever the be all and end all. but I can guarantee that my children and grandparents will take an iphone or ipad over a desktop any day of the week.. they can learn it easily, just like the old palm pilots. Technology made simple is an excellent concept (if limiting to people who like to delve into advanced areas) I have had palm pilots, psion, apple, PC, iPhone, Blackberry, you name it. All have their uses however its always back to the workhorse computer for doing business. Yes, my iPhone has things like tasks, outliners, notes, email, browser, mindmapping, maps, even my bible is on there, but I still drop straight back into a PC (albeit the eeePC now) whenever I need to get some serious work or typing done. I can do quick email replies but get to the computer for anything thoughtful. For example, I read this post on the iPhone, but went straight to the PC to type out the reply as it was more than a simple couple of lines. I doubt very much if it will be the iPad vs the PC as the discussion has been - it's more likely to be the iPhone or iPad PLUS the PC. Just because something is easy to use, doesn't make it automatically better. Why would you learn to drive a car when riding a bike, or even walking is much easier to do? Steve Peacocke ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe -- Kyley Harris Harris Software +64-21-671-821 ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe -- Kyley Harris Harris Software +64-21-671-821 ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe
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Now that is funny.. because the iPad probably is a Moped.. Good for the short trips to the dairy when I dont want to cycle :) On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Jolyon Smith jsm...@deltics.co.nz wrote: Good post Steve! And this I think is the point… an iPad fills the “middle” space between two devices that most people will still have need for once the “cool” has faded/jaded. Extending your modes of transport analogy…. If I have uses for both a car and a push bike, why would I buy a moped ? *From:* delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] *On Behalf Of *Steve Peacocke *Sent:* Thursday, 28 January 2010 3:55 p.m. *To:* NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List *Subject:* Re: [DUG] Apple iPad - OT On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Kyley Harris ky...@harrissoftware.com wrote: no product is ever the be all and end all. but I can guarantee that my children and grandparents will take an iphone or ipad over a desktop any day of the week.. they can learn it easily, just like the old palm pilots. Technology made simple is an excellent concept (if limiting to people who like to delve into advanced areas) I have had palm pilots, psion, apple, PC, iPhone, Blackberry, you name it. All have their uses however its always back to the workhorse computer for doing business. Yes, my iPhone has things like tasks, outliners, notes, email, browser, mindmapping, maps, even my bible is on there, but I still drop straight back into a PC (albeit the eeePC now) whenever I need to get some serious work or typing done. I can do quick email replies but get to the computer for anything thoughtful. For example, I read this post on the iPhone, but went straight to the PC to type out the reply as it was more than a simple couple of lines. I doubt very much if it will be the iPad vs the PC as the discussion has been - it's more likely to be the iPhone or iPad PLUS the PC. Just because something is easy to use, doesn't make it automatically better. Why would you learn to drive a car when riding a bike, or even walking is much easier to do? Steve Peacocke ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe -- Kyley Harris Harris Software +64-21-671-821 ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe
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Funny? Why funny? Of course the iPad is a moped. That was exactly my point. How many people do you know who own a bike, a car and a moped? From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] On Behalf Of Kyley Harris Sent: Thursday, 28 January 2010 4:23 p.m. To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List Subject: Re: [DUG] Apple iPad - OT Now that is funny.. because the iPad probably is a Moped.. Good for the short trips to the dairy when I dont want to cycle :) On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Jolyon Smith jsm...@deltics.co.nz wrote: Good post Steve! And this I think is the point. an iPad fills the middle space between two devices that most people will still have need for once the cool has faded/jaded. Extending your modes of transport analogy.. If I have uses for both a car and a push bike, why would I buy a moped ? From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] On Behalf Of Steve Peacocke Sent: Thursday, 28 January 2010 3:55 p.m. To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List Subject: Re: [DUG] Apple iPad - OT On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Kyley Harris ky...@harrissoftware.com wrote: no product is ever the be all and end all. but I can guarantee that my children and grandparents will take an iphone or ipad over a desktop any day of the week.. they can learn it easily, just like the old palm pilots. Technology made simple is an excellent concept (if limiting to people who like to delve into advanced areas) I have had palm pilots, psion, apple, PC, iPhone, Blackberry, you name it. All have their uses however its always back to the workhorse computer for doing business. Yes, my iPhone has things like tasks, outliners, notes, email, browser, mindmapping, maps, even my bible is on there, but I still drop straight back into a PC (albeit the eeePC now) whenever I need to get some serious work or typing done. I can do quick email replies but get to the computer for anything thoughtful. For example, I read this post on the iPhone, but went straight to the PC to type out the reply as it was more than a simple couple of lines. I doubt very much if it will be the iPad vs the PC as the discussion has been - it's more likely to be the iPhone or iPad PLUS the PC. Just because something is easy to use, doesn't make it automatically better. Why would you learn to drive a car when riding a bike, or even walking is much easier to do? Steve Peacocke ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe -- Kyley Harris Harris Software +64-21-671-821 ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe
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I do.. at least I did.. Nissan Station Wagon, Suzuki 200cc moped scooter, and a Honday CB900 hornet. :) All for the price some people would pay for a single BMW.. it all comes down to choices of lifestyle. On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 4:51 PM, Jolyon Smith jsm...@deltics.co.nz wrote: Funny? Why funny? *Of course* the iPad is a moped. That was *exactly*my point. How many people do you know who own a bike, a car *and* a moped? *From:* delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] *On Behalf Of *Kyley Harris *Sent:* Thursday, 28 January 2010 4:23 p.m. *To:* NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List *Subject:* Re: [DUG] Apple iPad - OT Now that is funny.. because the iPad probably is a Moped.. Good for the short trips to the dairy when I dont want to cycle :) On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Jolyon Smith jsm...@deltics.co.nz wrote: Good post Steve! And this I think is the point… an iPad fills the “middle” space between two devices that most people will still have need for once the “cool” has faded/jaded. Extending your modes of transport analogy…. If I have uses for both a car and a push bike, why would I buy a moped ? *From:* delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] *On Behalf Of *Steve Peacocke *Sent:* Thursday, 28 January 2010 3:55 p.m. *To:* NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List *Subject:* Re: [DUG] Apple iPad - OT On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Kyley Harris ky...@harrissoftware.com wrote: no product is ever the be all and end all. but I can guarantee that my children and grandparents will take an iphone or ipad over a desktop any day of the week.. they can learn it easily, just like the old palm pilots. Technology made simple is an excellent concept (if limiting to people who like to delve into advanced areas) I have had palm pilots, psion, apple, PC, iPhone, Blackberry, you name it. All have their uses however its always back to the workhorse computer for doing business. Yes, my iPhone has things like tasks, outliners, notes, email, browser, mindmapping, maps, even my bible is on there, but I still drop straight back into a PC (albeit the eeePC now) whenever I need to get some serious work or typing done. I can do quick email replies but get to the computer for anything thoughtful. For example, I read this post on the iPhone, but went straight to the PC to type out the reply as it was more than a simple couple of lines. I doubt very much if it will be the iPad vs the PC as the discussion has been - it's more likely to be the iPhone or iPad PLUS the PC. Just because something is easy to use, doesn't make it automatically better. Why would you learn to drive a car when riding a bike, or even walking is much easier to do? Steve Peacocke ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe -- Kyley Harris Harris Software +64-21-671-821 ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe -- Kyley Harris Harris Software +64-21-671-821 ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe
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funny because the whole city would be better if everyone used a damn moped instead of an overbuilt car just for going to work and the shops.. and used the car for trips and big jobs. On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Kyley Harris ky...@harrissoftware.comwrote: I do.. at least I did.. Nissan Station Wagon, Suzuki 200cc moped scooter, and a Honday CB900 hornet. :) All for the price some people would pay for a single BMW.. it all comes down to choices of lifestyle. On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 4:51 PM, Jolyon Smith jsm...@deltics.co.nzwrote: Funny? Why funny? *Of course* the iPad is a moped. That was *exactly*my point. How many people do you know who own a bike, a car *and* a moped? *From:* delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] *On Behalf Of *Kyley Harris *Sent:* Thursday, 28 January 2010 4:23 p.m. *To:* NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List *Subject:* Re: [DUG] Apple iPad - OT Now that is funny.. because the iPad probably is a Moped.. Good for the short trips to the dairy when I dont want to cycle :) On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Jolyon Smith jsm...@deltics.co.nz wrote: Good post Steve! And this I think is the point… an iPad fills the “middle” space between two devices that most people will still have need for once the “cool” has faded/jaded. Extending your modes of transport analogy…. If I have uses for both a car and a push bike, why would I buy a moped ? *From:* delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] *On Behalf Of *Steve Peacocke *Sent:* Thursday, 28 January 2010 3:55 p.m. *To:* NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List *Subject:* Re: [DUG] Apple iPad - OT On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Kyley Harris ky...@harrissoftware.com wrote: no product is ever the be all and end all. but I can guarantee that my children and grandparents will take an iphone or ipad over a desktop any day of the week.. they can learn it easily, just like the old palm pilots. Technology made simple is an excellent concept (if limiting to people who like to delve into advanced areas) I have had palm pilots, psion, apple, PC, iPhone, Blackberry, you name it. All have their uses however its always back to the workhorse computer for doing business. Yes, my iPhone has things like tasks, outliners, notes, email, browser, mindmapping, maps, even my bible is on there, but I still drop straight back into a PC (albeit the eeePC now) whenever I need to get some serious work or typing done. I can do quick email replies but get to the computer for anything thoughtful. For example, I read this post on the iPhone, but went straight to the PC to type out the reply as it was more than a simple couple of lines. I doubt very much if it will be the iPad vs the PC as the discussion has been - it's more likely to be the iPhone or iPad PLUS the PC. Just because something is easy to use, doesn't make it automatically better. Why would you learn to drive a car when riding a bike, or even walking is much easier to do? Steve Peacocke ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe -- Kyley Harris Harris Software +64-21-671-821 ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe -- Kyley Harris Harris Software +64-21-671-821 -- Kyley Harris Harris Software +64-21-671-821 ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe
Re: [DUG] Apple iPad - OT
Actually any city would be a whole lot better if people dumped motorised transport for the push bike or public transport. On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 3:01 PM, Kyley Harris ky...@harrissoftware.com wrote: funny because the whole city would be better if everyone used a damn moped instead of an overbuilt car just for going to work and the shops.. and used the car for trips and big jobs. On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Kyley Harris ky...@harrissoftware.com wrote: I do.. at least I did.. Nissan Station Wagon, Suzuki 200cc moped scooter, and a Honday CB900 hornet. :) All for the price some people would pay for a single BMW.. it all comes down to choices of lifestyle. On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 4:51 PM, Jolyon Smith jsm...@deltics.co.nz wrote: Funny? Why funny? Of course the iPad is a moped. That was exactly my point. How many people do you know who own a bike, a car and a moped? From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] On Behalf Of Kyley Harris Sent: Thursday, 28 January 2010 4:23 p.m. To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List Subject: Re: [DUG] Apple iPad - OT Now that is funny.. because the iPad probably is a Moped.. Good for the short trips to the dairy when I dont want to cycle :) On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Jolyon Smith jsm...@deltics.co.nz wrote: Good post Steve! And this I think is the point… an iPad fills the “middle” space between two devices that most people will still have need for once the “cool” has faded/jaded. Extending your modes of transport analogy…. If I have uses for both a car and a push bike, why would I buy a moped ? From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] On Behalf Of Steve Peacocke Sent: Thursday, 28 January 2010 3:55 p.m. To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List Subject: Re: [DUG] Apple iPad - OT On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Kyley Harris ky...@harrissoftware.com wrote: no product is ever the be all and end all. but I can guarantee that my children and grandparents will take an iphone or ipad over a desktop any day of the week.. they can learn it easily, just like the old palm pilots. Technology made simple is an excellent concept (if limiting to people who like to delve into advanced areas) I have had palm pilots, psion, apple, PC, iPhone, Blackberry, you name it. All have their uses however its always back to the workhorse computer for doing business. Yes, my iPhone has things like tasks, outliners, notes, email, browser, mindmapping, maps, even my bible is on there, but I still drop straight back into a PC (albeit the eeePC now) whenever I need to get some serious work or typing done. I can do quick email replies but get to the computer for anything thoughtful. For example, I read this post on the iPhone, but went straight to the PC to type out the reply as it was more than a simple couple of lines. I doubt very much if it will be the iPad vs the PC as the discussion has been - it's more likely to be the iPhone or iPad PLUS the PC. Just because something is easy to use, doesn't make it automatically better. Why would you learn to drive a car when riding a bike, or even walking is much easier to do? Steve Peacocke ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe -- Kyley Harris Harris Software +64-21-671-821 ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe -- Kyley Harris Harris Software +64-21-671-821 -- Kyley Harris Harris Software +64-21-671-821 ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe
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The only problem with the analogy now is that the iphone and ipad wont sweat and stink when it gets to work :D I'm outta here. 5pm.. Take it easy guys. On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 5:03 PM, Jeremy North jeremy.no...@gmail.comwrote: Actually any city would be a whole lot better if people dumped motorised transport for the push bike or public transport. On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 3:01 PM, Kyley Harris ky...@harrissoftware.com wrote: funny because the whole city would be better if everyone used a damn moped instead of an overbuilt car just for going to work and the shops.. and used the car for trips and big jobs. On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Kyley Harris ky...@harrissoftware.com wrote: I do.. at least I did.. Nissan Station Wagon, Suzuki 200cc moped scooter, and a Honday CB900 hornet. :) All for the price some people would pay for a single BMW.. it all comes down to choices of lifestyle. On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 4:51 PM, Jolyon Smith jsm...@deltics.co.nz wrote: Funny? Why funny? Of course the iPad is a moped. That was exactly my point. How many people do you know who own a bike, a car and a moped? From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] On Behalf Of Kyley Harris Sent: Thursday, 28 January 2010 4:23 p.m. To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List Subject: Re: [DUG] Apple iPad - OT Now that is funny.. because the iPad probably is a Moped.. Good for the short trips to the dairy when I dont want to cycle :) On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Jolyon Smith jsm...@deltics.co.nz wrote: Good post Steve! And this I think is the point… an iPad fills the “middle” space between two devices that most people will still have need for once the “cool” has faded/jaded. Extending your modes of transport analogy…. If I have uses for both a car and a push bike, why would I buy a moped ? From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] On Behalf Of Steve Peacocke Sent: Thursday, 28 January 2010 3:55 p.m. To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List Subject: Re: [DUG] Apple iPad - OT On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Kyley Harris ky...@harrissoftware.com wrote: no product is ever the be all and end all. but I can guarantee that my children and grandparents will take an iphone or ipad over a desktop any day of the week.. they can learn it easily, just like the old palm pilots. Technology made simple is an excellent concept (if limiting to people who like to delve into advanced areas) I have had palm pilots, psion, apple, PC, iPhone, Blackberry, you name it. All have their uses however its always back to the workhorse computer for doing business. Yes, my iPhone has things like tasks, outliners, notes, email, browser, mindmapping, maps, even my bible is on there, but I still drop straight back into a PC (albeit the eeePC now) whenever I need to get some serious work or typing done. I can do quick email replies but get to the computer for anything thoughtful. For example, I read this post on the iPhone, but went straight to the PC to type out the reply as it was more than a simple couple of lines. I doubt very much if it will be the iPad vs the PC as the discussion has been - it's more likely to be the iPhone or iPad PLUS the PC. Just because something is easy to use, doesn't make it automatically better. Why would you learn to drive a car when riding a bike, or even walking is much easier to do? Steve Peacocke ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe -- Kyley Harris Harris Software +64-21-671-821 ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe -- Kyley Harris Harris Software +64-21-671-821 -- Kyley Harris Harris Software +64-21-671-821 ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe -- Kyley Harris Harris Software +64-21-671-821
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Hi I have no real interest in this but I am fairly sure it will sell well. Apple does one thing that other hardware manufacturers does not, it creates the whole ecosystem / value chain. Take mp3 players, there are heaps of great mp3 players out there but the ipod is the only one that comes with its own software and shop to purchase from. There is the style thing and the cool thing as well. Now that they have huge market penetration there are now heaps of other products with iPod attachments that further encourage iPod purchase. The only way I see for other manufacturers to combat this is to create one 'other' standard interface for all their mp3 players. Back to iPad (with wings) not sure about it, what protects the screen? I understand there is no USB ! Rob On 28/01/2010 4:22 p.m., Kyley Harris wrote: Now that is funny.. because the iPad probably is a Moped.. Good for the short trips to the dairy when I dont want to cycle :) On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Jolyon Smith jsm...@deltics.co.nz wrote: Good post Steve! And this I think is the point… an iPad fills the “middle” space between two devices that most people will still have need for once the “cool” has faded/jaded. Extending your modes of transport analogy…. If I have uses for both a car and a push bike, why would I buy a moped ? ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe
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A naive view of a non-bike rider ;-) On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 3:06 PM, Kyley Harris ky...@harrissoftware.com wrote: The only problem with the analogy now is that the iphone and ipad wont sweat and stink when it gets to work :D I'm outta here. 5pm.. Take it easy guys. On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 5:03 PM, Jeremy North jeremy.no...@gmail.com wrote: Actually any city would be a whole lot better if people dumped motorised transport for the push bike or public transport. On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 3:01 PM, Kyley Harris ky...@harrissoftware.com wrote: funny because the whole city would be better if everyone used a damn moped instead of an overbuilt car just for going to work and the shops.. and used the car for trips and big jobs. On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Kyley Harris ky...@harrissoftware.com wrote: I do.. at least I did.. Nissan Station Wagon, Suzuki 200cc moped scooter, and a Honday CB900 hornet. :) All for the price some people would pay for a single BMW.. it all comes down to choices of lifestyle. On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 4:51 PM, Jolyon Smith jsm...@deltics.co.nz wrote: Funny? Why funny? Of course the iPad is a moped. That was exactly my point. How many people do you know who own a bike, a car and a moped? From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] On Behalf Of Kyley Harris Sent: Thursday, 28 January 2010 4:23 p.m. To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List Subject: Re: [DUG] Apple iPad - OT Now that is funny.. because the iPad probably is a Moped.. Good for the short trips to the dairy when I dont want to cycle :) On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Jolyon Smith jsm...@deltics.co.nz wrote: Good post Steve! And this I think is the point… an iPad fills the “middle” space between two devices that most people will still have need for once the “cool” has faded/jaded. Extending your modes of transport analogy…. If I have uses for both a car and a push bike, why would I buy a moped ? From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] On Behalf Of Steve Peacocke Sent: Thursday, 28 January 2010 3:55 p.m. To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List Subject: Re: [DUG] Apple iPad - OT On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Kyley Harris ky...@harrissoftware.com wrote: no product is ever the be all and end all. but I can guarantee that my children and grandparents will take an iphone or ipad over a desktop any day of the week.. they can learn it easily, just like the old palm pilots. Technology made simple is an excellent concept (if limiting to people who like to delve into advanced areas) I have had palm pilots, psion, apple, PC, iPhone, Blackberry, you name it. All have their uses however its always back to the workhorse computer for doing business. Yes, my iPhone has things like tasks, outliners, notes, email, browser, mindmapping, maps, even my bible is on there, but I still drop straight back into a PC (albeit the eeePC now) whenever I need to get some serious work or typing done. I can do quick email replies but get to the computer for anything thoughtful. For example, I read this post on the iPhone, but went straight to the PC to type out the reply as it was more than a simple couple of lines. I doubt very much if it will be the iPad vs the PC as the discussion has been - it's more likely to be the iPhone or iPad PLUS the PC. Just because something is easy to use, doesn't make it automatically better. Why would you learn to drive a car when riding a bike, or even walking is much easier to do? Steve Peacocke ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe -- Kyley Harris Harris Software +64-21-671-821 ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe -- Kyley Harris Harris Software +64-21-671-821 -- Kyley Harris Harris Software +64-21-671-821 ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi
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Back to iPad (with wings) not sure about it, what protects the screen? I understand there is no USB ! Actually you can buy an adapter for that... USD iPad - $499 Accessories required to get something half decent - $399* (that figure is just made up!) ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe
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Funny, because they would still need their car for longer trips/more shopping, so worse for the planet to have to give up its resources for manufacturing both cars AND mopeds when just cars would do. Better for the city AND the planet to concentrate on making more efficient cars. Sorry - I didn't see a push bike in that list of yours .. using a moped instead of a push bike entirely misses the point that a car and a bike are TWO things that a moped cannot completely replace. From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] On Behalf Of Kyley Harris Sent: Thursday, 28 January 2010 5:01 p.m. To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List Subject: Re: [DUG] Apple iPad - OT funny because the whole city would be better if everyone used a damn moped instead of an overbuilt car just for going to work and the shops.. and used the car for trips and big jobs. On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Kyley Harris ky...@harrissoftware.com wrote: I do.. at least I did.. Nissan Station Wagon, Suzuki 200cc moped scooter, and a Honday CB900 hornet. :) All for the price some people would pay for a single BMW.. it all comes down to choices of lifestyle. On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 4:51 PM, Jolyon Smith jsm...@deltics.co.nz wrote: Funny? Why funny? Of course the iPad is a moped. That was exactly my point. How many people do you know who own a bike, a car and a moped? From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] On Behalf Of Kyley Harris Sent: Thursday, 28 January 2010 4:23 p.m. To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List Subject: Re: [DUG] Apple iPad - OT Now that is funny.. because the iPad probably is a Moped.. Good for the short trips to the dairy when I dont want to cycle :) On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Jolyon Smith jsm...@deltics.co.nz wrote: Good post Steve! And this I think is the point. an iPad fills the middle space between two devices that most people will still have need for once the cool has faded/jaded. Extending your modes of transport analogy.. If I have uses for both a car and a push bike, why would I buy a moped ? From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] On Behalf Of Steve Peacocke Sent: Thursday, 28 January 2010 3:55 p.m. To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List Subject: Re: [DUG] Apple iPad - OT On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Kyley Harris ky...@harrissoftware.com wrote: no product is ever the be all and end all. but I can guarantee that my children and grandparents will take an iphone or ipad over a desktop any day of the week.. they can learn it easily, just like the old palm pilots. Technology made simple is an excellent concept (if limiting to people who like to delve into advanced areas) I have had palm pilots, psion, apple, PC, iPhone, Blackberry, you name it. All have their uses however its always back to the workhorse computer for doing business. Yes, my iPhone has things like tasks, outliners, notes, email, browser, mindmapping, maps, even my bible is on there, but I still drop straight back into a PC (albeit the eeePC now) whenever I need to get some serious work or typing done. I can do quick email replies but get to the computer for anything thoughtful. For example, I read this post on the iPhone, but went straight to the PC to type out the reply as it was more than a simple couple of lines. I doubt very much if it will be the iPad vs the PC as the discussion has been - it's more likely to be the iPhone or iPad PLUS the PC. Just because something is easy to use, doesn't make it automatically better. Why would you learn to drive a car when riding a bike, or even walking is much easier to do? Steve Peacocke ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe -- Kyley Harris Harris Software +64-21-671-821 ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe -- Kyley Harris Harris Software +64-21-671-821 -- Kyley Harris Harris Software +64-21-671-821 ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe
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I'd say harden up. You can buy snow tyres :-) There are exceptions, I also own a car (although we had two and now only have one). I basically only drive on weekends. On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 3:27 PM, Bob Pawley rjpaw...@shaw.ca wrote: Try riding a bike when it is 30 deg C below zero, snow and ice on the road, snowing so hard that visibility is 50 feet and wind blowing at 40 mph. Ahh Canada. Bob - Original Message - From: Jeremy North jeremy.no...@gmail.com To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List delphi@delphi.org.nz Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 8:09 PM Subject: Re: [DUG] Apple iPad - OT A naive view of a non-bike rider ;-) On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 3:06 PM, Kyley Harris ky...@harrissoftware.com wrote: The only problem with the analogy now is that the iphone and ipad wont sweat and stink when it gets to work :D I'm outta here. 5pm.. Take it easy guys. On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 5:03 PM, Jeremy North jeremy.no...@gmail.com wrote: Actually any city would be a whole lot better if people dumped motorised transport for the push bike or public transport. On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 3:01 PM, Kyley Harris ky...@harrissoftware.com wrote: funny because the whole city would be better if everyone used a damn moped instead of an overbuilt car just for going to work and the shops.. and used the car for trips and big jobs. On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Kyley Harris ky...@harrissoftware.com wrote: I do.. at least I did.. Nissan Station Wagon, Suzuki 200cc moped scooter, and a Honday CB900 hornet. :) All for the price some people would pay for a single BMW.. it all comes down to choices of lifestyle. On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 4:51 PM, Jolyon Smith jsm...@deltics.co.nz wrote: Funny? Why funny? Of course the iPad is a moped. That was exactly my point. How many people do you know who own a bike, a car and a moped? From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] On Behalf Of Kyley Harris Sent: Thursday, 28 January 2010 4:23 p.m. To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List Subject: Re: [DUG] Apple iPad - OT Now that is funny.. because the iPad probably is a Moped.. Good for the short trips to the dairy when I dont want to cycle :) On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Jolyon Smith jsm...@deltics.co.nz wrote: Good post Steve! And this I think is the point… an iPad fills the “middle” space between two devices that most people will still have need for once the “cool” has faded/jaded. Extending your modes of transport analogy…. If I have uses for both a car and a push bike, why would I buy a moped ? From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] On Behalf Of Steve Peacocke Sent: Thursday, 28 January 2010 3:55 p.m. To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List Subject: Re: [DUG] Apple iPad - OT On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Kyley Harris ky...@harrissoftware.com wrote: no product is ever the be all and end all. but I can guarantee that my children and grandparents will take an iphone or ipad over a desktop any day of the week.. they can learn it easily, just like the old palm pilots. Technology made simple is an excellent concept (if limiting to people who like to delve into advanced areas) I have had palm pilots, psion, apple, PC, iPhone, Blackberry, you name it. All have their uses however its always back to the workhorse computer for doing business. Yes, my iPhone has things like tasks, outliners, notes, email, browser, mindmapping, maps, even my bible is on there, but I still drop straight back into a PC (albeit the eeePC now) whenever I need to get some serious work or typing done. I can do quick email replies but get to the computer for anything thoughtful. For example, I read this post on the iPhone, but went straight to the PC to type out the reply as it was more than a simple couple of lines. I doubt very much if it will be the iPad vs the PC as the discussion has been - it's more likely to be the iPhone or iPad PLUS the PC. Just because something is easy to use, doesn't make it automatically better. Why would you learn to drive a car when riding a bike, or even walking is much easier to do? Steve Peacocke ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe -- Kyley Harris Harris Software +64-21-671-821 ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to
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You had 50ft visibility? You lucky, lucky bad. We had to make do with visibility so bad we couldn't even see the end of our noses! Not that my poor old mum could afford noses for us. Oh n. We had to make do with holes in our faces. And wind ?! 40 mph wind !!? Oh how we used to lie awake at night DREEAMIN' of 40 mph wind ! :) -Original Message- From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi- boun...@delphi.org.nz] On Behalf Of Bob Pawley Sent: Thursday, 28 January 2010 5:27 p.m. To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List Subject: Re: [DUG] Apple iPad - OT Try riding a bike when it is 30 deg C below zero, snow and ice on the road, snowing so hard that visibility is 50 feet and wind blowing at 40 mph. Ahh Canada. Bob - Original Message - From: Jeremy North jeremy.no...@gmail.com To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List delphi@delphi.org.nz Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 8:09 PM Subject: Re: [DUG] Apple iPad - OT A naive view of a non-bike rider ;-) On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 3:06 PM, Kyley Harris ky...@harrissoftware.com wrote: The only problem with the analogy now is that the iphone and ipad wont sweat and stink when it gets to work :D I'm outta here. 5pm.. Take it easy guys. On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 5:03 PM, Jeremy North jeremy.no...@gmail.com wrote: Actually any city would be a whole lot better if people dumped motorised transport for the push bike or public transport. On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 3:01 PM, Kyley Harris ky...@harrissoftware.com wrote: funny because the whole city would be better if everyone used a damn moped instead of an overbuilt car just for going to work and the shops.. and used the car for trips and big jobs. On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Kyley Harris ky...@harrissoftware.com wrote: I do.. at least I did.. Nissan Station Wagon, Suzuki 200cc moped scooter, and a Honday CB900 hornet. :) All for the price some people would pay for a single BMW.. it all comes down to choices of lifestyle. On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 4:51 PM, Jolyon Smith jsm...@deltics.co.nz wrote: Funny? Why funny? Of course the iPad is a moped. That was exactly my point. How many people do you know who own a bike, a car and a moped? From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] On Behalf Of Kyley Harris Sent: Thursday, 28 January 2010 4:23 p.m. To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List Subject: Re: [DUG] Apple iPad - OT Now that is funny.. because the iPad probably is a Moped.. Good for the short trips to the dairy when I dont want to cycle :) On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Jolyon Smith jsm...@deltics.co.nz wrote: Good post Steve! And this I think is the point. an iPad fills the middle space between two devices that most people will still have need for once the cool has faded/jaded. Extending your modes of transport analogy.. If I have uses for both a car and a push bike, why would I buy a moped ? From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] On Behalf Of Steve Peacocke Sent: Thursday, 28 January 2010 3:55 p.m. To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List Subject: Re: [DUG] Apple iPad - OT On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Kyley Harris ky...@harrissoftware.com wrote: no product is ever the be all and end all. but I can guarantee that my children and grandparents will take an iphone or ipad over a desktop any day of the week.. they can learn it easily, just like the old palm pilots. Technology made simple is an excellent concept (if limiting to people who like to delve into advanced areas) I have had palm pilots, psion, apple, PC, iPhone, Blackberry, you name it. All have their uses however its always back to the workhorse computer for doing business. Yes, my iPhone has things like tasks, outliners, notes, email, browser, mindmapping, maps, even my bible is on there, but I still drop straight back into a PC (albeit the eeePC now) whenever I need to get some serious work or typing done. I can do quick email replies but get to the computer for anything thoughtful. For example, I read this post on the iPhone, but went straight to the PC to type out the reply as it was more than a simple couple of lines. I doubt very much if it will be the iPad vs the PC as the discussion has been - it's more likely to be the iPhone or iPad PLUS the PC. Just because something is easy to use, doesn't make it automatically better. Why would you learn to drive a car when riding a bike, or even walking is much easier to do? Steve Peacocke
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At the end of the day an ipad is just another item that is going to end up in a landfill. I'd still like one however - though I doubt I'll be buying one myself - although maybe I'll need one for work. Alister Christie Computers for People Ph: 04 471 1849 Fax: 04 471 1266 http://www.salespartner.co.nz PO Box 13085 Johnsonville Wellington Jeremy North wrote: Actually any city would be a whole lot better if people dumped motorised transport for the push bike or public transport. On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 3:01 PM, Kyley Harris ky...@harrissoftware.com wrote: funny because the whole city would be better if everyone used a damn moped instead of an overbuilt car just for going to work and the shops.. and used the car for trips and big jobs. On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Kyley Harris ky...@harrissoftware.com wrote: I do.. at least I did.. Nissan Station Wagon, Suzuki 200cc moped scooter, and a Honday CB900 hornet. :) All for the price some people would pay for a single BMW.. it all comes down to choices of lifestyle. On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 4:51 PM, Jolyon Smith jsm...@deltics.co.nz wrote: Funny? Why funny? Of course the iPad is a moped. That was exactly my point. How many people do you know who own a bike, a car and a moped? From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] On Behalf Of Kyley Harris Sent: Thursday, 28 January 2010 4:23 p.m. To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List Subject: Re: [DUG] Apple iPad - OT Now that is funny.. because the iPad probably is a Moped.. Good for the short trips to the dairy when I dont want to cycle :) On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Jolyon Smith jsm...@deltics.co.nz wrote: Good post Steve! And this I think is the point… an iPad fills the “middle” space between two devices that most people will still have need for once the “cool” has faded/jaded. Extending your modes of transport analogy…. If I have uses for both a car and a push bike, why would I buy a moped ? From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] On Behalf Of Steve Peacocke Sent: Thursday, 28 January 2010 3:55 p.m. To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List Subject: Re: [DUG] Apple iPad - OT On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Kyley Harris ky...@harrissoftware.com wrote: no product is ever the be all and end all. but I can guarantee that my children and grandparents will take an iphone or ipad over a desktop any day of the week.. they can learn it easily, just like the old palm pilots. Technology made simple is an excellent concept (if limiting to people who like to delve into advanced areas) I have had palm pilots, psion, apple, PC, iPhone, Blackberry, you name it. All have their uses however its always back to the workhorse computer for doing business. Yes, my iPhone has things like tasks, outliners, notes, email, browser, mindmapping, maps, even my bible is on there, but I still drop straight back into a PC (albeit the eeePC now) whenever I need to get some serious work or typing done. I can do quick email replies but get to the computer for anything thoughtful. For example, I read this post on the iPhone, but went straight to the PC to type out the reply as it was more than a simple couple of lines. I doubt very much if it will be the iPad vs the PC as the discussion has been - it's more likely to be the iPhone or iPad PLUS the PC. Just because something is easy to use, doesn't make it automatically better. Why would you learn to drive a car when riding a bike, or even walking is much easier to do? Steve Peacocke ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe -- Kyley Harris Harris Software +64-21-671-821 ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe -- Kyley Harris Harris Software +64-21-671-821 -- Kyley Harris Harris Software +64-21-671-821 ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe ___
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You were lucky, we didn't even get the holes... -Original Message- From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] On Behalf Of Jolyon Smith Sent: Thursday, 28 January 2010 5:39 p.m. To: 'NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List' Subject: Re: [DUG] Apple iPad - OT You had 50ft visibility? You lucky, lucky bad. We had to make do with visibility so bad we couldn't even see the end of our noses! Not that my poor old mum could afford noses for us. Oh n. We had to make do with holes in our faces. And wind ?! 40 mph wind !!? Oh how we used to lie awake at night DREEAMIN' of 40 mph wind ! :) -Original Message- From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi- boun...@delphi.org.nz] On Behalf Of Bob Pawley Sent: Thursday, 28 January 2010 5:27 p.m. To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List Subject: Re: [DUG] Apple iPad - OT Try riding a bike when it is 30 deg C below zero, snow and ice on the road, snowing so hard that visibility is 50 feet and wind blowing at 40 mph. Ahh Canada. Bob - Original Message - From: Jeremy North jeremy.no...@gmail.com To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List delphi@delphi.org.nz Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 8:09 PM Subject: Re: [DUG] Apple iPad - OT A naive view of a non-bike rider ;-) On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 3:06 PM, Kyley Harris ky...@harrissoftware.com wrote: The only problem with the analogy now is that the iphone and ipad wont sweat and stink when it gets to work :D I'm outta here. 5pm.. Take it easy guys. On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 5:03 PM, Jeremy North jeremy.no...@gmail.com wrote: Actually any city would be a whole lot better if people dumped motorised transport for the push bike or public transport. On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 3:01 PM, Kyley Harris ky...@harrissoftware.com wrote: funny because the whole city would be better if everyone used a damn moped instead of an overbuilt car just for going to work and the shops.. and used the car for trips and big jobs. On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Kyley Harris ky...@harrissoftware.com wrote: I do.. at least I did.. Nissan Station Wagon, Suzuki 200cc moped scooter, and a Honday CB900 hornet. :) All for the price some people would pay for a single BMW.. it all comes down to choices of lifestyle. On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 4:51 PM, Jolyon Smith jsm...@deltics.co.nz wrote: Funny? Why funny? Of course the iPad is a moped. That was exactly my point. How many people do you know who own a bike, a car and a moped? From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] On Behalf Of Kyley Harris Sent: Thursday, 28 January 2010 4:23 p.m. To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List Subject: Re: [DUG] Apple iPad - OT Now that is funny.. because the iPad probably is a Moped.. Good for the short trips to the dairy when I dont want to cycle :) On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Jolyon Smith jsm...@deltics.co.nz wrote: Good post Steve! And this I think is the point. an iPad fills the middle space between two devices that most people will still have need for once the cool has faded/jaded. Extending your modes of transport analogy.. If I have uses for both a car and a push bike, why would I buy a moped ? From: delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz [mailto:delphi-boun...@delphi.org.nz] On Behalf Of Steve Peacocke Sent: Thursday, 28 January 2010 3:55 p.m. To: NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi List Subject: Re: [DUG] Apple iPad - OT On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Kyley Harris ky...@harrissoftware.com wrote: no product is ever the be all and end all. but I can guarantee that my children and grandparents will take an iphone or ipad over a desktop any day of the week.. they can learn it easily, just like the old palm pilots. Technology made simple is an excellent concept (if limiting to people who like to delve into advanced areas) I have had palm pilots, psion, apple, PC, iPhone, Blackberry, you name it. All have their uses however its always back to the workhorse computer for doing business. Yes, my iPhone has things like tasks, outliners, notes, email, browser, mindmapping, maps, even my bible is on there, but I still drop straight back into a PC (albeit the eeePC now) whenever I need to get some serious work or typing done. I can do quick email replies but get to the computer for anything thoughtful. For example, I read this post on the iPhone, but went straight to the PC to type out the reply as it was more than a simple couple of lines. I doubt very much if it will be the iPad vs the PC as the discussion has been
